Rumors are that the Blue Jays are looking for a back of the rotation starter and a prospect SS in exchange for Halladay.

If that's the case, the Tigers should have made a trade already. Give them Gallaraga and Iorg, and whoever the hell else they want. They want Santiago, they can have him. Take Bonderman as well if you want.

That seems like a no-brainer. The Tigers would have 3 Cy Young candidates in the rotation, and they wouldn't have to give up Porcello.

One can dream, I guess.

yeah yeah! iorg and gallarage

That's coming from a Blue Jays source (via 97.1 by the way), not from me. Like I said, I'd do the deal in a heartbeat, if the Jays were that stupid.

No brainer for the Tigers, no chance for the Blue Jays. I heard Tim Kurjian or someone, possibly Buster Olney, on the radio a few days ago saying Halladay gets traded to someone willing to give them 3 prospects that are among the top 100 prospects in baseball.

Phillies are the top rumor, with Jason Donald being the SS in the deal.
I think the Braves, Giants, and Rangers have the other top farm systems at the moment. Marlins, Orioles, and A's have good talent but I don't think they can realistically afford Halladay long-term and only the Marlins find themselves near contention to make it worth the remainder of time he's under contract.

If I had to guess I would say the only deal that the Blue Jays would do including the Tigers would have to include the following: RICK PORCELLO.

A deal would look something like this...........Porcello/Iorg/Ramirez or Perry.

I would have no problem dealing Iorg, Wilkin Ramirez or Ryan Perry, but everytime I think about Rick Porcello I'm torn. Obviously you don't get many 20 year old pitchers like him, but all I can think about is Andrew Miller, Justin Thompson and Jeff Weaver and how awesome they all panned out to be in their careers (Miller not entirely withstanding).

If you were the GM of the Tigers and Toronto's GM called up and said Porcello, Iorg and Ramirez and Roy Halladay is leading you to the World Series.........would you pull the trigger?

Tigers fans will always be scared to give up a young, limitless potential pitcher like Porcello because of the Smoltz trade. I think it still stings most fans here.

Tigers fans will always be scared to give up a young, limitless potential pitcher like Porcello because of the Smoltz trade. I think it still stings most fans here.


I'd do the Smoltz trade again.

The Smoltz trade paid off, Herm.

Every team has had a star in their system only to let them go before they hit stardom...

Astros & Marlins- Johan Santana
Expos- Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore
Red Sox- Jeff Bagwell
Giants- Liriano
Mets- Scott Kazmir
Mariners- Varitek & Derek Lowe

it's just part of the game...

Expos also had Randy Johnson, Larry Walker, Pedro (who they actually held on to quite a while) and several others.
They were insanely good at evaluating talent, horribly bad at keeping it.

There's rumors about the Tigs being interested in Ben Sheets.

Apparently there was a Pirates scout at every Tigers/White Sox game this weekend...

Of course there was-the Pirates are America's farm system

Apparently DD did inquire about Halladay. The Jays GM wanted Porcello, Perry and Casey Crosby (Top P prospect).

Question is: Would you have done it?

^no.

im no guru who can say exactly how great porcello will be, but he's already pretty effective and cheap.

if i were to move him, i'd want the equivalent to a roy holliday, but a bat. i dont think you need a 3rd ace. er, i dont think the tiger's most pressing need is a 3rd ace. if we could find miguel's counterpart, i think we'd be much better than if we added another really good pitcher.

Josh Willingham (allegedly)

^no.

im no guru who can say exactly how great porcello will be, but he's already pretty effective and cheap.

if i were to move him, i'd want the equivalent to a roy holliday, but a bat. i dont think you need a 3rd ace. er, i dont think the tiger's most pressing need is a 3rd ace. if we could find miguel's counterpart, i think we'd be much better than if we added another really good pitcher.

True, but you gotta admit Verlander Halladay Jackson is a crazy 1-2-3 punch in the playoffs. IF we had a better hitting team, I could see the Tigers doing that trade and winning the World Series.

With Zoom going down, are :we: gonna get a bullpen arm?

Anything new on Dunn?

With Zoom going down, are :we: gonna get a bullpen arm?

Anything new on Dunn?

Zoom wasn't an asset anyway, if you ask me.

Both Fu-Te Ni and Casey Fien have been great thus far. My guess is since neither have been here long enough to 'hit a wall', they'll be asked to replace Zoomy.

A bat seriously needs to happen. Great move for Washburn, but if it stands alone the team will still be struggling to support the solid starters with adequate runs.

PLEASE DO NOT TRADE FOR ADAM DUNN!!!

Just what we need, a high strike out, slow, DH masquerading as a 1B/OF. The Tigers already have his soul brother, that's Marcus Thames. One is enough!

PLEASE DO NOT TRADE FOR ADAM DUNN!!!

Just what we need, a high strike out, slow, DH masquerading as a 1B/OF.

I agree wit dis

Do not compare Thames to Dunn. There's a reason Thames can't stay in a lineup and Dunn has hit 300 HR.
If you look at the youngest players to hit 300 HR, Dunn is near the top 10, just behind some guys named Hank Aaron, Vladmir Guerrero, Frank Robinson, and Harmon Killebrew.
Thames is 2 1/2 years OLDER with 205 fewer HR. Don't make yourself sound like an idiot.
Dunn racks up 100 RBI year after year on teams that don't produce much offense.

Luke Scott seems more likely.

He can be had, and would be under our control through 2012 if we got him.

That would be fine. Any offensive improvement would be nice.

Do not compare Thames to Dunn. There's a reason Thames can't stay in a lineup and Dunn has hit 300 HR.
If you look at the youngest players to hit 300 HR, Dunn is near the top 10, just behind some guys named Hank Aaron, Vladmir Guerrero, Frank Robinson, and Harmon Killebrew.
Thames is 2 1/2 years OLDER with 205 fewer HR. Don't make yourself sound like an idiot.
Dunn racks up 100 RBI year after year on teams that don't produce much offense.

They play alike, that's what I'm saying, not trying to compare career numbers, because I don't give a shit about career numbers. I care about the kind of player the Tigers NEED, NOW. It's not an almost 300lb lumberjack, slow footed, crappy fielding, free swinging gump like Adam Dunn.

ill admit, im a defense convert. the last two years have really shown just how much fielding can help a team.

good fielding keeps the pitch count down, keeps the starters in the game, and keeps the bullpen fresh (which is essential for this team).

i would hate to see us bring in defensive liabilities just for a little more offense. and since we already have enough guys that you prefer to play DH, i think whoever comes in needs to be atleast adequate defensively.

a few teams asked about mariners star felix hernandez (including boston and detroit). no belief he's being dealt, tho.

dombrowski has made some huge blunders here. some of the moves look terrible in hindsight, and some were pretty questionable when they happened.

but you got to love the guy. he's always active and aggressive. of course felix wasnt available, but didnt hurt to ask. wish all gm's in this town followed DD's MO.

Look at all the minor league players Dave Dombrowski has traded since 2005...

Turned Out To Be A Solid MLB Player

Jair Jurrjens


Have Yet To Prove They're Capable Of Being An Everyday MLB Player Or Are Already A Complete Bust

* Anthony Claggett (Sheff)
* Kevin Whelan (Sheff)
* Dallas Trahern (Cabrera trade)
* Humberto Sanchez (Sheff)
* Gorkys Hernandez (Renteria trade)
* Rudy Darrow (Josh Anderson trade)
* Burke Badenhop (Cabrera trade)
* Mike Rabelo (Cabrera trade)
* Brian Rogers (Sean Casey trade)
* Michael Hernandez (Galarraga trade)
* Guillermo Moscoso (Laird trade)
* Carlos Melo (Laird trade)
* Jeff Frazier (Bazardo trade)
* James Skelton (lost via Rule 5 draft this year)
* Chris Cody (Jose Capellan trade)
* Scott Moore (Kyle Farnsworth trade in '05)
* Virgil Vasquez (was claimed by Boston last winter)
* Jordan Tata (was released)
* Tony Giarratano (was released)
* Randor Bierd (lost via Rule 5 to Baltimore in '08)
* Cristhian Martinez (lost via Rule 5 to Florida in '06)
* Eulogio de la Cruz (Cabrera trade)


Now the devils advocate would say that "Well, Gorkys Hernandez is still developing". My response would be...don't the 'good ones' come fast? And if he was that much of a stud, why was he traded yet again by Atlanta after we traded him? Seems to me his development hit a snag somewhere...

Devil's Advocate would also say, "man, we chose/developed a lot of bad young players"

The only deal I'd like to have back was the Renterria deal. he did shit here and Jiar turned out to be solid. Otherwise I have no problem with his trades.

Giving Willis money before his deal was even close to up was a bad move though. Overall I'd give him an A- though as a GM.

Devil's Advocate would also say, "man, we chose/developed a lot of bad young players"

Other teams wanted that talent though.

The only deal I'd like to have back was the Renterria deal. he did shit here and Jiar turned out to be solid. Otherwise I have no problem with his trades.


Me too, but if you think about it, the Renteria deal was meant to be our biggest offseason move last year. The Cabrera thing was a perfect storm at the GM Winter Meetings a month after the Renteria trade happened.

Had we acquired Cabrera first, then I would be willing to bet the Renteria trade never would've happened.

Not to mention, Galarraga pretty much matched Jurrjens--production wise, punch for punch last season.

DD's biggest blunders arent trades, but giving out $$. bonderman has been terrible, though you cant blame him. robertson's contract is ridiculous, and was from day 1. and then paying willis without waiting and see was pretty suspect too.

then there's the whole issue of how wise it was to bring in sheff. but i think that really boils down to the steroid policy. had that remained a non-factor, the shef deal probably works out a ton better... not that im accusing anyone...

I agree, Dombrowski has given unnecessary extensions to Dontrelle Willis, Nate Robertson and Jeremy Bonderman the past couple years.

The Bonderman extension was probably the only one you could argue was plausible since he had a great year in '07 and is the same age as Verlander, but the other 2 were just unnecessary since both Nate & Dontrelle had arbitration years remaining.

Well, :we:'ll have to get a bat during the waiver trade period now, which shouldn't be impossible if we're willing to take on more $

I agree about Dombrowski. Trades have been more good than bad, but it's the contracts that have been confusing. Bonderman, well, his contract may be excusable since he was, at one time with this organization going to be a big deal. Willis, well, there was no need to give him money before he ever threw a pitch. And truly one pitch (which would have certainly been a ball) would have been enough to know THAT contract wasn't a good idea. After one season I doubt they would have offered ANY contract. But if they wanted to sign him to an extension it could have been done, after last season, at a fraction of the cost.
And Nate, well, I've hated Nate for a long, long time.

One good signing was Inge. That contract looked bad a year ago when it seemed impossible to move. Now it doesn't look so bad. Guillen's first contract was also a great move.

But back to the trades, I glanced the list but didn't notice Andrew Miller or next-superstar Cameron Maybin. Neither is in the bigs right now after both were failures in the bigs at some point this season.

I saw Miller on the mound for the Marl the other day, fwiw

I saw Miller on the mound for the Marl the other day, fwiw
Then it was right before they sent him back down.

LHP Andrew Miller, who started the season in the Marlins rotation before being demoted July 20, left his Wednesday start with Class AAA New Orleans after rolling his right ankle in the first inning. He allowed four runs in the inning, and his next start is in doubt.

Must have been. But I agree with you in that the trepedation that I felt when we dealt Maybin/Miller has largely (completely?) subsided after seeing them both struggle.