Pistons Trade:

Tayshuan Prince

Pistons Get:

Chris Kaman
Al Thornton

Who wants to call me brilliant first?

lolrite, this will happen.

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It will never happen. I'd be okay with it. I'd still want us to move Rip. I don't want him playing SF or Gordon playing PG (unless he proves he's capable somehow) and that leaves 48 minutes split between them at SG. Neither guy will be happy with less than 30.

It will never happen. I'd be okay with it. I'd still want us to move Rip. I don't want him playing SF or Gordon playing PG (unless he proves he's capable somehow) and that leaves 48 minutes split between them at SG. Neither guy will be happy with less than 30.

I'm assuming giffman would suggest Thornton would be the SF.

Thornton would be our SF. I just mean having Rip in general needs to change.
Gordon isn't playing anything but SG unless he somehow proves he can run the team as a PG in spurts. That means all of his minutes will be coming from the 48 total SG minutes. He's going to be unhappy if its anything below 30.
That leaves 18 SG minutes for Rip, who will also want over 30, meaning he'll have to play SF to get his minutes. I don't want Rip playing SF.

If you can find a taker for Rip then more power to you.

I certainly would endorse that.

I am very concerned about our lack of front court depth, though. More concerned about that then having both Rip and Ben Gordon at SG.

The Clippers weakest position is SF; this trade would provide them with an upgrade there while helping us address our front court woes.

It would also provide the Clippers with a bit of cap relief this year and next year and significant relief in two years.

It'll prolly never happen but IMO makes some strategic sense for both parties.

I'm assuming giffman would suggest Thornton would be the SF.


Giffman would suggest that. (Giffman also enjoys referring to giffman in the third person. Giffman will need to do so more often).

All of the potential Rip trade ideas that keep getting thrown around don't make sense for the other teams involved.

Rip for Boozer - doesn't save Utah any money.

Rip for Brand - Philly already has Iguodala. They can't move him to SF because they have Thad Young there.

Rip for Okafor - They're not moving an up-and-coming young C for a 30+ SG without some serious incentives added. We don't have the cap space to make it happen anymore.

Rip for Kaman - they already have Eric Gordon

Rip for Biedrins - They have a plethora of wing players as it is.

The list goes on. When we ran out of cap space, we ran out of ways to move Rip. Hopefully Joe gets creative and makes something happen.

My comments in bold:


All of the potential Rip trade ideas that keep getting thrown around don't make sense for the other teams involved.

Rip for Boozer - doesn't save Utah any money. They could save Utah 3-4 mil (whatever space we have left), which doubles when they are over the tax level.

Rip for Brand - Philly already has Iguodala. They can't move him to SF because they have Thad Young there. Iggy is a SF, he has been from the start. AI was the SG, then Green, etc. Thad is a 3/4 tweener and could play the 4 mostly.

Rip for Okafor - They're not moving an up-and-coming young C for a 30+ SG without some serious incentives added. We don't have the cap space to make it happen anymore. We'd have to take on a crap contract they don't want for them to bite and include Kwame.

Rip for Kaman - they already have Eric Gordon I agree. Don't see them wanting RIP.

Rip for Biedrins - They have a plethora of wing players as it is. I agree. Don't see them wanting RIP.

The list goes on. When we ran out of cap space, we ran out of ways to move Rip. Hopefully Joe gets creative and makes something happen.
There are certainly options in 3 team deals though. What teams would actually want RIP and have an asset any of those teams would want?

I wonder about RIP to NY, Lee (S&T) to one of those teams, and the center here. NY might do it if they think RIP would help attract Lebron (he's never had a #2 that good).

It would be Rip for Boozer plus player x (he's really good, too).

We could do a 3-team where the Knicks get Rip, the Bobcats get Lee and Kwame, we get Okafor and Diop? He's by far their worst contract in my mind. They get a big man, they get a backup C to replace the one they're moving, and they get rid of about 3-mil in salary. The Knicks get Rip for moving Lee. They'd probably get a draft pick or some other compensation in the deal as well.

Knicks never do that deal because Rip's deal is past next season. The Knicks seem dead set on having no one on their roster going into the offseason next summer.

Knicks never do that deal because Rip's deal is past next season. The Knicks seem dead set on having no one on their roster going into the offseason next summer.

They'd take RIP maybe if Jeffries was moved in the deal. They'd only take on about 5 mil that way and still have money for James (and a viable #2).

Would Rip be a good fit with James? He doesn't need the ball in his hands and he just runs and runs until he's open, which could leave him coming off a screen for a Lebron drive and dish. It would make sense, but if they're truly pandering to LBJ in hopes of signing him, they'll want to let him pick all his own teammates.

I'm going to laugh when all of these teams clear up a ton of space for him, then he stays with the Cavs. Wade stays in Miami. Kobe isn't leaving LA at this point. They'll all be scrambling for plans B-Z, being Bosh, Amare, and I can't even think of any other potential superstars that will be available.

Speaking of these two teams, if LAC is really interested in AI and he agrees to come off the bench for them (two big ifs), would we be able to do a sign and trade with the Clips for Camby? That may allow them to seal the deal with him by offering slighly more than any other team (who are maxed out at the MLE). I haven't seen a solid number on how much cap space we have left, but could we afford to take on Camby's deal for its final year?

The question also remains, of course, is LAC willing to deal Camby now that they somehow found a taker for Randolph's toxic contract?

Would Rip be a good fit with James? He doesn't need the ball in his hands and he just runs and runs until he's open, which could leave him coming off a screen for a Lebron drive and dish. It would make sense, but if they're truly pandering to LBJ in hopes of signing him, they'll want to let him pick all his own teammates.

I'm going to laugh when all of these teams clear up a ton of space for him, then he stays with the Cavs. Wade stays in Miami. Kobe isn't leaving LA at this point. They'll all be scrambling for plans B-Z, being Bosh, Amare, and I can't even think of any other potential superstars that will be available.

didnt kobe just sign an extension? or was he offered and declined in order to make the team better? can't remember

Would Rip be a good fit with James? He doesn't need the ball in his hands and he just runs and runs until he's open, which could leave him coming off a screen for a Lebron drive and dish. It would make sense, but if they're truly pandering to LBJ in hopes of signing him, they'll want to let him pick all his own teammates.


I would think just active play would help LBJ a lot. What he does is wear out defenders chasing him. That helps Lebron because he'll be playing against worn out defenders. It also helps him because he can park at the three point line on series run for RIP and conserve energy.

Right now he's just surrounded by jump shooters. They feed off him nicely when he has the ball, but he also has to expend a lot of energy while they stand around.

Anyway, we are getting way ahead of ourselves, I agree. There is a good chance he'll stay anyway.

didnt kobe just sign an extension? or was he offered and declined in order to make the team better? can't remember
He opted into his final year of his contract, but I'm sure he'll get extended.

Rip has no chance of going to LA unless we take some of their crappy players and all the FAs next season have snubbed them. They don't even have a first rounder to give us.

Oh yeah and I love the trade with Kaman and Thornton for Prince. Thornton is very good. I doubt they would ever do that, as it represents the perfect trade for us. If they would consider that trade with us also taking Ricky Davis (we cut him and they save 2.5M) and we also throw in a lotto protected first, they might be interested. I do like the mix they would have with Camby, Griffin, Prince, Gordon, and Davis. That SF should definitely be a defensive player. Actually I like that mix a lot.

NY won't do any deal unless it gets them cap room. 5 Mill is a ton, look what we could have done with it this offseason.

A deal they MIGHT consider would be Kwame (4.1), Max (5M), Jerebko rights, and 4 mill in immediate cap relief for Eddie Curry and Jordan Hill. I think they are that desperate for cap relief that saving 7M next season could be enough to motivate them to part with Hill. We would have at least decent bigs then.

I'd throw in a future first or Daye for that trade.

I love the Clippers young talent(Gordon, Griffin, Thornton, and DeAndre Jordan)

Too bad that the first 3 mentioned are all offense orientated players. Giving them a player like Prince to work with would be really good, plus he'd be going back home.

As for Jordan Hill, I'm not that interested in him. I don't think he'll be a bust, but he just seems like a bench player at best.

For the Clips, I think defensive players would be essential since they have 2 good guards and a PF who will want to shoot. Prince and Camby would be ideally suited for those 3.

I am not sold on Hill by any means, but that trade is extremely low risk for us and a good two year gamble. In one season, Curry's expiring would be valuable again, and as we have learned, low post players don't just fall into your lap, even if they are fat and lazy.

Camby's an expiring, but if that trade happened, I could see them possibly fighting for the 8th seed. The Clippers got really lucky with the Blake pick..then dumping z-bo...

Out of all the Clipper's core (Baron, Gordon, Thornton, Zach, Camby, Kaman, Griffin)...only one has 3 point range and that's Baron. Even then he's better at slashing and posting up small PG's. Their paint is going to be very clogged. It would serve them well to get Tay in the mix and stretch things out a little.

I'd say Gordon's a better 3pt shooter than baron davis.

and zach got traded for quentin richardson

Oh yeah, duh.

Prince for Kaman, anyone?
Kaman is playing great again, when Blake comes back this might be a possiblity

without Prince we got more time for Daye, Bynum, Jerebko...RIP is still a very effectiv SG, certainly more productiv than Prince, i have no problem shipping off Prince if hes easier to move/ we can get more...i really liked the 3-headed monster Stuckey/Gordon/Bynum, thats instant offense ,always attacking the basket, this could be a very important part of our future

Kaman/Ben/Kwame
Villa/Wilcox/Max
Daye/Jerebko/Summers
RIP/Gordon
Stuckey/Bynum

edit: you can add Kwame to that deal if the Clips need another big, we take back Ricky Davis corpse or so

Clips would be

Camby/Kwame
Blake/Smith
Prince/Thornton
Gordon/Butler
Davis/Telfair

So, this is seriously being discussed?

The Clips deal both Kaman and Thornton for Tayshaun?

Why the fuck would they do that trade?

If I was their GM and Joe offered me that I'd laugh.

I was thinking about this deal again the other day,too, right after reading that the Clips are disappointed with Thornton. If you subscribe to the sappy notion that Joe always tries to send his guys home, then Tay ending up back in Compton makes some sense.

And Kaman is from West Michigan, so there may be some marketing appeal there, too.

Surely they can't be that disappointed in Thornton?

If I was them I wouldn't do Tay for Kaman straight up. Fuck throwing in a young prospect as well. I'd tell Joe to stop smoking crack and hang up on him.

we dont need Thornton, hes a chucker and cant play any D, theres a reason Butler replaced him in the starting lineup, Thornton suckz...i'd rather play the rooks at SF

Kaman is on a roll right now, but he has his faults too, he was pretty average last season,he's injury prone for sure, not the greatest defender...i bet the Clips want to see if Kaman and Blake fit together, i think their games are too smiliar, there could be some problems...

the clippers might be hesitant to part with camby because he has one year on his contract left, and the clips might be pretty thin at the 5, unless DeAndre Jordan somehow manages to improve alot.

I'd definetely do tayshaun/max/2010 first or summers for kaman/thornton.

Rip would be our best perimeter defender...by far after that trade. We'd definetly be great offensively though and would have a legit post presence.

I don't know if the clips would want to take Max'x contract back though.

You don't think they'd be cool with our two most overpaid players?

lol

I honestly can't see this deal from the Clips POV.

I know that franchise is run by Blind Freddy but fuck - they can't be that stupid.