b4 the deadline?

If so, what?

No.

For the sake of sophisticated argument....

Yes.

Maybe.

Maybe we'll dump Fansy. I've been eyeing that Zach Miner guy, so let's hope.

I hope they make a trade.

If Guillen can return and hit .280 and if Fu-Te Ni can continue to show he's a solid reliever (7 K's, 1 ER in 5 IP) then it may not be necessary.

Ilitch has gone on record saying he'll add payroll if it means winning this year.

Aubrey Huff, Luke Scott, Ryan Spilborghs are some hitters to keep an eye on that the Tigs may have some interest in.

I think the player to go after is Adam Dunn.
He still strikes out a ton, but in spite of that his OPS is the same as Cabrera.

He has played most of the season in the OF, can play both corner spots as well as DH or 1B (if Cabrera goes down or needs a day) and he's a LH bat.

Beyond him, Holliday is another big name that could be on the market. Delwyn Young interests me a bit as well.

Then I think the team needs pitching. Whether it's a front-line guy on the market for the rest of the season (so the 25 other 5th starters on the team can just rehab the year out in the minors) or middle relief, the pitching could improve.

I don't know about Adam Dunn. He'd cost quite a bit plus the Nat's GM has already gone public in saying he doesn't want to trade him.

Somebody like Aubrey Huff, power lefty who can play 1B/DH and bat behind Cabby, seems more realistic since his contract expires after this season, he won't cost as much.

Probably Wilkin Ramirez + Jeff Larish could get us Huff or Luke Scott.

Yeah, well, screw the Nats GM. At this point there's no point in NOT trading Dunn. The team is easily the worst in baseball with only 24 wins. He has a 2 year, $20 million deal so he'll be gone before they're any good. This way they get the FA signing last year, turn it into prospects, and move on.

Don't we already have Dunn from the right side?

Don't we already have Dunn from the right side?

Pretty much...

Adam Dunn- 289 AB, .260 AVG, 22 HR, 59 RBI, .533 SLG%

Marcus Thames- 113 AB, .248 AVG, 8 HR, 19 RBI, .513 SLG%

If Thames had 289 AB, his numbers would be approx = .250, 19 HR, 44 RBI, and a .517 SLG%

Dunn walks more, but even Maggs can draw his share of base on balls.


For the record...

Aubrey Huff- .262, 313 AB, 11 HR, 55 RBI, .428 SLG%

Thames is probably the better option than Huff, if you think about it. Huff would cost a couple prospects and he's having a down season.

Don't we already have Dunn from the right side?
In the Tigers most recent game they had Clete Thomas in right. Thames was DH and Anderson was in left.
Would you rather have Thomas with his .720 OPS or Dunn with his .927?
The game before that Magglio played but Raburn was playing the other corner spot. His OPS is much better at .865, but there's a reason he's not an every day player.

Guillen will be back at some point, but he's just now heading out on a rehab assignment after 2 months away. There are no guarantees, especially since his production dropped off big-time last year. He was last year's Magglio. I say it's never a bad idea to add a big bat from the left side. Plus, he's a five years younger than Maggs, 4 years younger than Carlos, and 2 years younger than Thames. He's easy to rip as an opponent, but Tigers fans would love him if he played here.

This team has needed a left handed slugger for years.

I don't know about Guillen being last year's 'Magglio', Jethro.

He was our lone representative at the All-Star Game in NYC and hit .286 with 10 HR, 54 RBI, 9 SB, .376 OBP and a 67:60 K/BB ratio before missing the final 2 months of the season.

Those are hardly numbers to complain about.

His dropoff wasn't as severe as Magglio's has been, but Guillen has been on the decline for 3 years now. Prior to 06 and 07 he was considered a huge injury risk as well. The fact that he played over 300 games between those two years was outstanding, but he's back to his old self and getting older. It will be difficult to rely on him for 100 games in a season for the remainder of his career.

Yet another reason why trading for a big left-handed bat who hasn't turned 30 yet is a good idea.

Check out this list:
Carlos Lee
Alfonso Soriano
Scott Rolen
Miguel Tejada
Derrek Lee
Magglio Ordonez
Carlos Beltran
Pat Burrell
Bobby Abreau
Torii Hunter

All of the above players have fewer career HR than Dunn and yet they're all at least 3 years older than he is.

Mark Teixiera - you may be familiar with his work, is the same age as Dunn but trails Dunn by 76 HR. Ryan Howard - same age but trails Dunn by 102 HR.

Why would you not add that bat? Because he strikes out?

Carlos Pena and Ryan Howard strike out a lot, but their teams faced off in the World Series last year and it had a lot to do with their contributions. In fact, Pena was joined by Upton and Longoria in the strike-out-a-lot club. Most people would agree they still form a pretty good offensive core.

a second marcus thames wouldnt be a bad thing, considering our lineup. marcus thames is in scoring position from the parking lot.

Adam Dunn also strikesout like it's nobody's business.

And we already have 2 guys who fall victim to the K way too often (Inge & Grandy).

I think we can find a more useful player than Adam Dunn.

Matt Holliday would make more sense since his stock has taken a major blow.

You don't read entire posts, do you?

hay wen's the dedlyne

That post made me think of D-WADE for some reason.

That is all.

July 31 is the non-waiver deadline

I do think Adam Dunn is one of the more underrated players in the game. My main hesitation would be due his defensive problems. As a hitter, I'd much rather have Dunn than Holliday.

So you would take Dunn as a DH? Who is worse in the OF, Dunn or Thames?

So you would take Dunn as a DH? Who is worse in the OF, Dunn or Thames?

Both pretty Blah. Just means if we put him in left, we couldn't have Magglio in right because Grandy would have to cheat over more often.

Yeah, Dunn strikes out a lot but he sure gets a lot of flak for a guy with a .900 career OPS and 300 homers at age 29. His counting stats could get him in the HOF if he keeps this up.

So you would take Dunn as a DH? Who is worse in the OF, Dunn or Thames?

Jethro, would you trade Wilkin Ramierz, Jeff Larish, and Luis Marte for Dunn?

That's probably the type of package it would take.

Huff doesn't make much sense to me. Thames has taken control of the DH spot and Huff wouldn't get a whole lot of time at 1st with Cabrera. Where/when does he play?

As for Dunn, I don't think we're getting him. I wouldn't have a problem with adding him to our lineup. He can play both corner spots, although he's primarily a LF, and he can do spot duty at 1st if needed. He's still pretty young at 29. I feel like he'd command a bit more than a nice prospect and some iffy ones, though. We need to restock our minor league system a bit as is. We traded away quite a few pieces over the last few years.
The downside is that he averages something like 180 strikeouts a season and his career BA is only .248 and in all his years with over 100 plate appearances, he's only hit over .250 twice.


Adam Dunn- 305 AB, .266 AVG, 23 HR, 62 RBI, .544 SLG%, 99 SO, 68 BB

Marcus Thames- 125 AB, .272 AVG, 9 HR, 22 RBI, .544 SLG%, 34 SO, 12 BB
Adjusted.........- 305 AB, .272 AVG, 22 HR, 54 RBI, .544 SLG%, 83 SO, 30 BB
Corrected as of today for both players. Still very similar. The biggest disadvantage being Thames's ability to draw walks. He's hitting the ball a bit better and he's striking out less, but he just doesn't have the patience to draw walks.

If we could get Dunn for cheap, I'd love to add him as our LF (Guillen's not coming back anytime soon). I just worry about giving up solid prospects for him. How much potential does Larrish have these days? How valuable is he?

Yeah, Dunn strikes out a lot but he sure gets a lot of flak for a guy with a .900 career OPS and 300 homers at age 29. His counting stats could get him in the HOF if he keeps this up.
He strikes out a lot but he draws a fair amount of walks as well. His 68 walks this season tops our team leader by 25. We only have 6 players with 20+: Granderson (43), Inge(35), Cabrera(31), Ordonez(28), Polanco(25), Laird(20). That's pretty sad...

You can't just expound Thames' numbers like you guys are because he's such a better hitter against lefties than righties. If you put him into an everyday situation, his final line would likely suffer.

Jethro, would you trade Wilkin Ramierz, Jeff Larish, and Luis Marte for Dunn?

That's probably the type of package it would take.
Replace Ramirez with Clevelan and I would do it.

Replace Ramirez with Clevelan and I would do it.

But Washington wouldn't.

Clevlen isn't even a prospect anymore, he's almost 26 yrs old and isn't even putting up great numbers in AAA. We DFA'ed him back in March and every team in the league had the chance to claim him for nothing and nobody bothered (even Virgil Vasquez was able to get claimed).

Ramirez is our best hitting prospect in the minors and would probably be the starting point if we wanted to acquire an Adam Dunn, Matt Holliday, or Brad Hawpe-type player.

Actually Clevelan is within 9 points of having the same BA, only has 2 fewer homers, the same amount of triples, twice the doubles, more hits, more total bases more RBI.
The big advantage Ramirez has is that he's two years younger and much better on the basepaths. Otherwise there's no reason why he would be considered a dramatically better prospect.
Clevlen also had success when he was called up a few years ago at age 22. Ramirez, meanwhile, at age 23 hasn't been able to break in for more than a game.

Sounds like the Tigs are interested in Matt Holliday.

Sounds like the Tigs are interested in Matt Holliday.

Wonder what the price is. If they got him they better not let Maggs get to his kick in number (whatever that is), and they better extend Holliday.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/07/21/top.100/index.html?bcnn=yes

didnt know where to put it, so here.

dont want to ruin the list for anyone, but i thought cabrerra was too low, and was shocked by the last tiger on the list.

NO ZACK MINER?!?!?

Can we get that moved somewhere other than the trade thread?


28. Justin Verlander, SP, Tigers
After getting off track in 2008, he leads the league in K's and is back to the form that led Doug Mientkiewicz to say: "He was the second pick in the draft? Second? Who was first? And you better say Pujols."
Matt Bush

Drafted first overall by the Padres in 2004, Bush has never appeared in a game beyond Class A.
He was so terrible in his first minor league season as a SS that they turned him into a pitcher, where he also failed.

lets face it, this one's over. i just hope the mariners sac up and actually throw to migguel. i think there might be some colluding going on between the league and the corpse of joe dimaggio.

edit: supposed to be in game thread, but then glen's post wouldnt make any sense.

AND TED WILLIAMS' FROZEN AND SEVERED HEAD


OR MAYBE THAT SHOULD READ SEVERED AND FROZEN HEAD

Looks like Matt Holliday is going to the Cardinals.

Yeah that makes sense because the Tigers don't need an extra bat right now. I'm sure they're just fine scoring 1 run every game for the rest of the season.

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Cards wanted a young infielder. We don't have an MLB ready one to fit that need.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/07/21/top.100/index.html?bcnn=yes

didnt know where to put it, so here.

dont want to ruin the list for anyone, but i thought cabrerra was too low, and was shocked by the last tiger on the list.

I would trade that Tiger straight-up for the majority of the players below him on the list.

i guess one thing that suprised me is how quickly the talent dips. if i didnt look at the list, i would have thought there was a lot better players on page 4 than there was.

one thing that i've been wondering about is what porcello could get us back.

i wouldnt much look to move him, but it would be fun to know what we could get. it'd also be fun to add another good bat into our lineup.