First off, this is a tribute to Jethro, and we here at Zip Goshboots, Inc. want to thank him for the idea. Any profits that roll in from this thread will not be donated to the charity of his choice (but we'll at least mention the charity).

Now let's get to it: Is DickRod destroying MEECHIGAN?

Mark Dantonio, Charlie Weis, Jim Tressel: Those guys, without question the coaches of our most hated and biggest rivals, all came in and won games with another guy's players.

Tressel has been a freight train to Michigan's damsel in distress tied down to the tracks. No discussion can be made: He *PWNS Michigan.

Dantonio has not only improved MSU by a mile in his first two seasons (with John L Smiff's playas), but he seems to have won a culture war with UM--and the hearts and minds of at least the Michigan Media. There is the perception that MSU is walloping UM in recruiting--a provincial midwestern state like Michigan is easily convinced that because MSU is getting some of the top recruits in Michigan, they are the better program and it seems to have, combined with their victory last season over UM, wiped out 40 years of dominance by our beloved Wolverines. And he is all of 1-1 vs UM.

Charlie Weis has made no secret of his hatred for Michigan "To HELL with Michigan! I'll eat that whole goddamm stadium!"--he has let Michigan have it quite a bit since he took over at ND. It should be mentioned that he is all of 2-2 vs UM. But Notre Dame is stockpiling[I] talent. And they have brought in John Tenuda to work with uber-recruiting Defensive Coordinator Corwin Brown--a former WOVERINE!!! They thrashed our horrible Wolverines last year and it probably won't be pretty when they invade Ann Arbor this year.

So where does that leave our DickRod?

The Departed: No need to mention them, Steve Shafer, The Record, the horrible shit we saw on the field for most of the season: You all know, you all saw, and it spoke for itself.

DickRod, Michigan fans say, needs [I]time to get HIS players in. Unlike, apparently, a few notable other guys who didn't. I mean, don't get me wrong--UM recruiting had fallen off and there wasn't the talent we Michigan fans had grown used to. But Toledo? Purdue? Northworstern? REALLY? A team that showed great promise, even with the notre Dame debacle, and stood at 2-2 after a narrow loss to Utah and an inspiring comeback over Wisconsin--completely collapsed and was one of the worst teams in the country. The Wolverines were probably lucky to have caught the Minnesota Golden Goophers a week after they were stomped 55-0 but Iowa, and were probably lucky to have avoided Indiana as well.

Enough of that. Let's look forward!

The SOLID class of 2008, which he worked hard to keep Lloyd's recruits in the fold (losing only two: Christian something-or-other and John Wanker, a dropback passer--and an Elite 11 QB)--is dwindling fast. Already, five players of the 24 who signed with UM in 2008 are gonzo: Big Dann O'Neill, Kurt Wermers, Sam McGuffie, Marcus Wihterspoon and Taylor Hill. A sixth, Justin Feagin, has probably seen the field for the last time. A seventh--the horribly named Mike Cox--well, he is on the daily transfer rumor mill, and may get his chance next year as the field opens up with the departures of Minor, Brown, and Grady--but we shall see.

the GREAT class of 2009--which I really loved almost to the point that I wanted to marry it, seems to be all shored up despite some qualifying concerns. It is expected that Jeremy Gallon will get the ONE POINT he needs to get the qualifying ACT score. We expect a GUTSY and :cogent: performance on that ACT. JT Turner needs to pass one section of something called the Ohio Graduate Test (an oxymoron if ever there was one). The rest are in, even my man, the human :SHIT STORM!: FITZGERALD TOUSSAINT!

Now, 2010 recruiting, if you ask me, well, you got to be a huge KOOL AID drinker to be buying into that shit. HOWEVA, HAVING SAID THAT, THAT BEING SAID, THAT HAVING BEEN BEING SAID, WITH ALL OF HAVING THAT BEING SAID, DickRod (can I get an emoticon, motherfucker?) DO show closing abilities late in the process, he DO be having the balls to tell a commit to take a flying leap over to Tulsa, and he DO be able to target players later and get them (Lewan, Lalota, Warshington, and a few others)--and his late targets are good ones who the Scout Inside Eckspertz sem to love. So I'll pass on critiquing the 2010 class right now, but suffice to say: It is mostly shit. YOu got about 7-8 guys that are "flyers"--diamonds in the rough. The rest might actually be guys DickRod wants.
So here's the problem: look at 2008. I think it's safe to say that even with a class that looks good, with players you want, about 25% of them (maybe more) won't see the field with the team that originally recruited them. If you have a bunch of turds that you hope develop--that pretty much means they have to be home runs instead of, well, turds that really should have gone to Iowa State or Wyoming. Do DickRod have THAT good an eye for talent? Do DickRod be THAT good at player development? I say NO. Maybe when playing UConn and Rutgers week in and week out. But not with the Big Boys.

Freshman QB, a very young team. Playing all SIX contendahs in the Big Ten this year. At Sparty and Iowa and Wisconsin. Notre Dame, Penn State and Ohio State come to Ann Arbor. A tough Western Michigan team.
THIS season is a recipe for disastah, ladies.

DO YOU REALLY THINK DICKROD WILL HAVE THIS TEAM, which is young and totally totally unproven, paper thin on the defensive two-deep, playing under its third DC in three years--and reeling from Lloyd Carr recruiting and non-player development still--ret to go and take on these challenges?

I leave it to you guys, my esteemed colleagues here at WTF Detroit--to debate the issue (and yeah, I'll participate so there is at least a semblance of sanity):

IS DICKROD RUINING WHAT WAS LEFT OF UM FOOTBALL AND IS HE THE RIGHT GUY TO BUILD IT BACK UP AND HOW MUCH TIME DO HE HAVE AND WHAT KIND OF RESULTS DO YOU NEED TO SEE IN 2009 and 2010 TO KEEP FROM WANTING TO SEND HIM TO WORK ON ONE OF TAHOE'S TEN CREWS AND BE KILLED WITH ALL THE HARD WORK OF SITTING AROUND WATCHING CONCRETE CURE AND PARTICLE BOARD HANGERS GO TO TOWN?

That was great, I actually read the whole thing!

I admit, my attention shifted to the box of paperclips on my desk when he started dropping the ill-conceived "DO"s here and there, but he somehow managed to pull me back in.

8.5/10.

I'll take an 8.5, even on a day when I'm somewhat coherent (which is a great day for me).

very impressive, Zip

Yeah, the semi coherence is sometimes a good feeling, darko.

HOWEVA, HAVING SAID THAT, THAT BEING SAID, THAT HAVING BEEN BEING SAID, WITH ALL OF HAVING THAT BEING SAID, DickRod (can I get an emoticon, motherfucker?)
:RichRod:

^^^I LIKE it!

1) the percieved surge from msu under dantonio and ND under weiss is just typical media overreaction, which is also typical among some fans and posters on this very board, actually. i dont pay it much attention. last year vs ND they were playing in the same conditions that led to danny glover winning the US open. and desite that, weiss' giant ass is hanging on by a tenuous thread at ND. dantonio was using john l's players, but they fit his system, which also happens to be the most mundane, archaic, simple system in college football.

2) which brings us to talent and fit. last year we were largely trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole. forcier even talked about it during the season (before being silenced). i think part of the lack of percieved progress was 1)better teams at the end of the season, 2) our guys getting worn down through the season (especially threet), 3) frustration becuase no matter what they did, especially threet, they were not the players for the system.

im double fisting the koolaid. i think, on offense, number of stars matter less and fit will matter more. defense is another story. i think our defense might be thin, but if things go right it could actually be pretty good. of course, things going right includes things like will campbell being dominant as a true frosh, and donovan warren finally reaching his potential after 2 disapointing seasons.

Not bad, Zip. Disguised in that meth induced rant was some fairly germane analysis. I for one think RR is destroying the Michigan that came before him. I think he is doing this purposefully. He is going to remake the program into the type of team he is comfortable with. Is that a team that compete against Iowa, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, etc. instead of UConn, Rutgers, etc. week in and week out? I don`t think so. I am afraid UM has wandered too far from itself with RR and there will be a divorce as ugly as Rita Rodriguez. Rita Rodriguez, what the hell kind of name is that? And, from West Virginny! For Christ`s sake Michigan, what the fuck did you do?!

1) the percieved surge from msu under dantonio and ND under weiss is just typical media overreaction, which is also typical among some fans and posters on this very board, actually. i dont pay it much attention. last year vs ND they were playing in the same conditions that led to danny glover winning the US open. and desite that, weiss' giant ass is hanging on by a tenuous thread at ND. dantonio was using john l's players, but they fit his system, which also happens to be the most mundane, archaic, simple system in college football.
2) which brings us to talent and fit. last year we were largely trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole. forcier even talked about it during the season (before being silenced). i think part of the lack of percieved progress was 1)better teams at the end of the season, 2) our guys getting worn down through the season (especially threet), 3) frustration becuase no matter what they did, especially threet, they were not the players for the system.

im double fisting the koolaid. i think, on offense, number of stars matter less and fit will matter more. defense is another story. i think our defense might be thin, but if things go right it could actually be pretty good. of course, things going right includes things like will campbell being dominant as a true frosh, and donovan warren finally reaching his potential after 2 disapointing seasons.
Retarded douchebag, let me enlighten your pea-brained self. JLS ran a SPREAD and Dantonio runs a PRO-STYLE offense predicated on running the ball.

You should go back in your closet, put the noose around your neck, drop your underroos, dip your hand in the Vaseline and stare at your picture of Eric Estrada and leave football to the boys.

Yeah, I won't diminish what Dantonio has done. I think he's been a solid coach there.

I do think Wies is overrated. What quality wins do they have there since he's been there? They'll probably go to a BCS bowl this year because their schedule sucks (I think they play like 7 teams with brand new QB's). But I don't see them being true contenders at all.

first google result for "the boys"

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2007/boys_camp/boys_camp_01.jpg

pederastry is not something to flaunt, bucky.

first google result for "the boys"

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2007/boys_camp/boys_camp_01.jpg

pederastry is not something to flaunt, bucky.
Weak. We already have a Zip Goshboots here. Quit trying to be a creepy picture poster in an attempt to be witty. You are coming across as more of a Wlfredo Ledezma (i.e mondo dumbass).

Also, I am glad your dumbass has a better understanding of the offenses JLS and Dantonio ran/run and the respective rosters needed for each. You little fop.

Michigan fans like diddy have done a full circle back from the days when stars and recruit rankings mattered. I mean, just look at all ht five and four star guys that go without offers now all around the country. Poor fuckers don't know that the talent and measurables that they've displayed for four years in high school was a complete waste of time.

Of course, no right-minded Michigan fan can EVER EVER EVER talk about the recruiting at another school like, say, Michigan State. I mean, the recruits MSU got last year and are getting this year fit their style and their coach likes 'em, and gawsh darn, that is good enough for me..

Yeah, I'm totally fucking SOLD that Rodriguez wants Drew Dileo, Tony Drake, Corny Jones, Stephen Hopkins, Christian "I make Tits Forcier look HUGE" Pace, and of course, the uber talentd all world 3* from Heap of Gerbils, PA--Jordan "4.8 forty motherfucker" Paskorz. AND he is turning down five star after five star who has been beating his door down to get these guys.

I bet diddy was the kind of guy who was all, "FUCKYEAH! Newsome and BEaver, spread quarterbacks, DickRod's Boyz and look out"....ER, "wait, forget that. Tits Forcier and Denard Robinson, DickRod's Boyz and NOW you can look the fuck out!"

And we'll see the same thing this year. I predict at least 4 decommits--and the ensuing, "Why can;t these guys make up their minds! Liars! No integrity! Blasphemy! Kill them all! They're not Michigan Men! They'll be sorry when we win national championships in 10 years!"

But seriously, guys. Take my wife. PLEASE. HAHAHAHAHAHALOLZ.

This is really about the question of DickRod having a blueprint. A plan. A guy who comes to Michigan and hires Scott Shafer doesn't really have a plan. A guy who tosses out 150 offers and generates PR messes with decommits, players leaving, and the early commits of some serious scrubbage doesn't really have a plan.

well, actually, this is the first year i've followed recruiting on a fairly regular basis. and before last year, i didnt even know what rivals was...

im giving dick rod some leeway. if the guy has speed and athletic ability, itll be better for the offensive system than a higher ranked guy who is slower but bigger. threet was a mess. mcguffie had a few games where he looked stellar. our best offensive player was a 5'8 *** frosh reciever last year (odoms).

no, im not going to cry over someone that didnt want to go to michigan. the only recruits that break a program are the ones that cause ncaa sanctions, a decommit or non commit never killed a program. and i dont want guys on the team that dont want to be here.

i think rodriguez made so many offers because he was afraid how bad it would look to have a slow start in recruiting following a 3-9 year. i dont blame him. if this class isnt all world, thats fine. im sure there will be enough talent to bridge to better days.

if your upset our class isnt better than USC's, maybe its time to alter expectations?

I give DickRod some leeway. I'm talking long-term. UM shouldn't compete per se in recruiting with USC, Florida, Texas, and quite possibly even PSU and OSU. Those states have tons of great recruits in their own back yards.

But if you'll remember, the argument was this: Rogriguez won at WVU with lesser-talented guys. With MICHIGAN TALENT holy fucktard!
Now remember, also, I love the 2009 class. Loved 2008 as well--but we have seen about 25% attrition from that class already, and UM doesn't have the bodies. That means 2009 and 2010 have to be HOME RUN classes to build talent and depth. Rich Rod HAS shown that he won't beat anybody without PLAYAS. Look at last year.

And lemme axe you this: Is this MICHIGAN or is this Michigan. Is Michigan an elite school that pulls in playas by itself, like MOST UM FANS THINK AND HAVE THOUGHT forever? Or...like everybody else, does UM need the right guy at the right time and is DickRod that guy.

Don't worry diddy: This ain't over.

But if you'll remember, the argument was this: Rogriguez won at WVU with lesser-talented guys. With MICHIGAN TALENT holy fucktard!

He's also shown his first years have been crap and his 2nd years have shown great improvement.

well, actually, this is the first year i've followed recruiting on a fairly regular basis. and before last year, i didnt even know what rivals was...

im giving dick rod some leeway. if the guy has speed and athletic ability, itll be better for the offensive system than a higher ranked guy who is slower but bigger. threet was a mess. mcguffie had a few games where he looked stellar. our best offensive player was a 5'8 *** frosh reciever last year (odoms).

no, im not going to cry over someone that didnt want to go to michigan. the only recruits that break a program are the ones that cause ncaa sanctions, a decommit or non commit never killed a program. and i dont want guys on the team that dont want to be here.

i think rodriguez made so many offers because he was afraid how bad it would look to have a slow start in recruiting following a 3-9 year. i dont blame him. if this class isnt all world, thats fine. im sure there will be enough talent to bridge to better days.

if your upset our class isnt better than USC's, maybe its time to alter expectations?
Again, an extremely retarded statement. RR made a buttload of offers because he doesn`t know his ass from a hole in the ground and he is shitting himself. Offering a kid you have never seen in person is a hillbilly`s gambit. RR is in WAY over his head and that fact is starting to make itself abundantly clear. If UM wins less than 6 games this year, Rita bar the door.

Offering a kid you have never seen in person is [a mistake]?

So, every colege coach offers ONLY kids they see in person? Those fuckers sure do get around. I know that's Dantonio's approach--and well, we'll see, because he only gets recruits from Michigan and Ohio. I'm not saying you pepper the country with hundreds of offers, but you look at film, talk to a kids coaches, talk to scouts, and then offer if the kid fits you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now I don't know that Rodriguez is doing that--but I know that few coaches see EVERY kid they offer. I think what you see is coaches who go HARD after kids either that they have seen in person before, or after, like at camps and stuff.

i think rodriguez made so many offers because he was afraid how bad it would look to have a slow start in recruiting following a 3-9 year. i dont blame him. if this class isnt all world, thats fine. im sure there will be enough talent to bridge to better days.
if your upset our class isnt better than USC's, maybe its time to alter expectations?

Actually, the Big Wig at Scout thinks Rodriguez is taking COMMITMENTS because it could get OOGLY this year as well. The strategy was to have bodies on board going into Year One--and then if other guys wanted to come, take a few of those bodies, mutilate, and drop them into the Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania (that's in Africa, Ledezma. Not Ann Arbor).

So, I THINK (no inside info here, just my usual ear to the ground radar up common sense I know people) they use these early commits as a momentum builder and after the season or as the season wears on, others show interest, and you simply start killing off the ones you don't really want. It's SEC style, baby--and that actually IS one thing I like about DickRod.

Again, an extremely retarded statement. RR made a buttload of offers because he doesn`t know his ass from a hole in the ground and he is shitting himself. Offering a kid you have never seen in person is a hillbilly`s gambit. RR is in WAY over his head and that fact is starting to make itself abundantly clear. If UM wins less than 6 games this year, Rita bar the door.

i dont think you know what a gambit is.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/n3Y5FCsnzos/default.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/ianofrhs/winkmartindale.jpg

Offering a kid you have never seen in person is [a mistake]?

So, every colege coach offers ONLY kids they see in person? Those fuckers sure do get around. I know that's Dantonio's approach--and well, we'll see, because he only gets recruits from Michigan and Ohio. I'm not saying you pepper the country with hundreds of offers, but you look at film, talk to a kids coaches, talk to scouts, and then offer if the kid fits you. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now I don't know that Rodriguez is doing that--but I know that few coaches see EVERY kid they offer. I think what you see is coaches who go HARD after kids either that they have seen in person before, or after, like at camps and stuff.
Agreed. However, I believe RR`s approach is the wrong approach. Taking a kid knowing full well you intend on sloughing him off later is not only bad recruiting technique, but it is just an asshole thing to do. It will soon be understood that RR AND Michigan operate that way and I believe it will have a negative impact on peoples` perception of UM. If UM was USC or Texas, they might be able to get away with it. However, when UM is going to have to play it`s ass off to win eight games, the tune doesn`t match the trumpet.

i dont think you know what a gambit is.
A gambit is synonomous with a strategem. Therefore, entirely appropriate.

Wanna have some fun? I posted a diary on Mgoblog similar to the post that started this thread. If you want to (at your own peril) get into the mind of the WalMart Wolverine (expecially you, bukdow) you got to check this shit oot.

I wrote it: I AM The Barking Sphincter.

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/what-exactly-rich-rodriguez-building#comment-120354

Executive summary:

They think that Zip is unbecoming of a Michigan Man.

A gambit is synonomous with a strategem. Therefore, entirely appropriate.

theres a saying that any word you got out of the thesaurus is the wrong word to use.

i think that saying is especially COGENT for someone whose grasp of the english language is as tenuous as yours.

Wanna have some fun? I posted a diary on Mgoblog similar to the post that started this thread. If you want to (at your own peril) get into the mind of the WalMart Wolverine (expecially you, bukdow) you got to check this shit oot.

I wrote it: I AM The Barking Sphincter.

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/what-exactly-rich-rodriguez-building#comment-120354
Wow. That is like a board populated exclusively by Sam Webbs and Wlfredo Ledezmas. Bristling with anger toward anyone who attacks their Pamela Lee Anderson known as Michigan football.

theres a saying that any word you got out of the thesaurus is the wrong word to use.

i think that saying is especially COGENT for someone whose grasp of the english language is as tenuous as yours.
diddy, god damn, do you ever get tired of being wrong? Not just regular old wrong, but ankle-biting chihuauha wrong.

Wanna have some fun? I posted a diary on Mgoblog similar to the post that started this thread. If you want to (at your own peril) get into the mind of the WalMart Wolverine (expecially you, bukdow) you got to check this shit oot.

I wrote it: I AM The Barking Sphincter.

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/what-exactly-rich-rodriguez-building#comment-120354

Dude, that's like 600 words.

All of a sudden, this thread (and Zip's profile) are getting a bunch of visitors, lol.

Link?

We have, predictably, been linked to Mgoblog by dex, who has another blog of his own.

WTF is rocking, boys!

VIVA LA INTRANETS STALKERS!!!

I better put something juicy on my profile. Glenn--put something on there about my spending a decade at Jackson State Prison and narrowly avoiding the death penatly and eventually winning my release due to some flimsy evidence. Like a glove that wouldn't fit or something.

Or he can just put "I roll hard"

Or, "I Rolled Hard in Prison, Motherfucker"

Well that's what I was going to put in mine, but because you're actually making an attempt to get this board more recognition I'll let you have it.

Wait'll my next "blog"--I'll have those fucking zealots over here signing up in droves just to give me some shit.
They're posers over there. They like to claim they went to Michigan.
I want bukdow to get hold of them.

diddy, god damn, do you ever get tired of being wrong? Not just regular old wrong, but ankle-biting chihuauha wrong.

"this word means that word" is good enough for 8th graders, but i would have thought someone with 2 degrees from michigan state would beable to do a little better than that.

i guess in this instance, i was "ankle-biting chihuauha wrong".

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2065/2142816794_cf2204663b.jpg

is that what we got going on over there, bucky?

Heh, we have our own mole! (re: #37)

One of our own has now replaced Poole1Dan at MGoBlog. I could shed a tear, I'm so happy.

I think we need to PM our newest member, all of us. I think this "googlestalk" guy is probably some Scout or MgoBlog guy who signed up to post, but lacked ballz.

1-2-3: GROUP PM. Ill go first.

Wanna have some fun? I posted a diary on Mgoblog similar to the post that started this thread. If you want to (at your own peril) get into the mind of the WalMart Wolverine (expecially you, bukdow) you got to check this shit oot.

I wrote it: I AM The Barking Sphincter.

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/what-exactly-rich-rodriguez-building#comment-120354

I reread that entire thing. God damn, I need a social life or somethin'. Such a classic.

Zip, you've brought me so much joy. I miss you, brother.