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MoTown
06-01-2009, 12:16 PM
Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore

June 1, 2009

I write this on the morning of the end of the once-mighty General Motors. By high noon, the President of the United States will have made it official: General Motors, as we know it, has been totaled.

As I sit here in GM's birthplace, Flint, Michigan, I am surrounded by friends and family who are filled with anxiety about what will happen to them and to the town. Forty percent of the homes and businesses in the city have been abandoned. Imagine what it would be like if you lived in a city where almost every other house is empty. What would be your state of mind?

It is with sad irony that the company which invented "planned obsolescence" -- the decision to build cars that would fall apart after a few years so that the customer would then have to buy a new one -- has now made itself obsolete. It refused to build automobiles that the public wanted, cars that got great gas mileage, were as safe as they could be, and were exceedingly comfortable to drive. Oh -- and that wouldn't start falling apart after two years. GM stubbornly fought environmental and safety regulations. Its executives arrogantly ignored the "inferior" Japanese and German cars, cars which would become the gold standard for automobile buyers. And it was hell-bent on punishing its unionized workforce, lopping off thousands of workers for no good reason other than to "improve" the short-term bottom line of the corporation. Beginning in the 1980s, when GM was posting record profits, it moved countless jobs to Mexico and elsewhere, thus destroying the lives of tens of thousands of hard-working Americans. The glaring stupidity of this policy was that, when they eliminated the income of so many middle class families, who did they think was going to be able to afford to buy their cars? History will record this blunder in the same way it now writes about the French building the Maginot Line or how the Romans cluelessly poisoned their own water system with lethal lead in its pipes.

So here we are at the deathbed of General Motors. The company's body not yet cold, and I find myself filled with -- dare I say it -- joy. It is not the joy of revenge against a corporation that ruined my hometown and brought misery, divorce, alcoholism, homelessness, physical and mental debilitation, and drug addiction to the people I grew up with. Nor do I, obviously, claim any joy in knowing that 21,000 more GM workers will be told that they, too, are without a job.

But you and I and the rest of America now own a car company! I know, I know -- who on earth wants to run a car company? Who among us wants $50 billion of our tax dollars thrown down the rat hole of still trying to save GM? Let's be clear about this: The only way to save GM is to kill GM. Saving our precious industrial infrastructure, though, is another matter and must be a top priority. If we allow the shutting down and tearing down of our auto plants, we will sorely wish we still had them when we realize that those factories could have built the alternative energy systems we now desperately need. And when we realize that the best way to transport ourselves is on light rail and bullet trains and cleaner buses, how will we do this if we've allowed our industrial capacity and its skilled workforce to disappear?

Thus, as GM is "reorganized" by the federal government and the bankruptcy court, here is the plan I am asking President Obama to implement for the good of the workers, the GM communities, and the nation as a whole. Twenty years ago when I made "Roger & Me," I tried to warn people about what was ahead for General Motors. Had the power structure and the punditocracy listened, maybe much of this could have been avoided. Based on my track record, I request an honest and sincere consideration of the following suggestions:

1. Just as President Roosevelt did after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the President must tell the nation that we are at war and we must immediately convert our auto factories to factories that build mass transit vehicles and alternative energy devices. Within months in Flint in 1942, GM halted all car production and immediately used the assembly lines to build planes, tanks and machine guns. The conversion took no time at all. Everyone pitched in. The fascists were defeated.

We are now in a different kind of war -- a war that we have conducted against the ecosystem and has been conducted by our very own corporate leaders. This current war has two fronts. One is headquartered in Detroit. The products built in the factories of GM, Ford and Chrysler are some of the greatest weapons of mass destruction responsible for global warming and the melting of our polar icecaps. The things we call "cars" may have been fun to drive, but they are like a million daggers into the heart of Mother Nature. To continue to build them would only lead to the ruin of our species and much of the planet.

The other front in this war is being waged by the oil companies against you and me. They are committed to fleecing us whenever they can, and they have been reckless stewards of the finite amount of oil that is located under the surface of the earth. They know they are sucking it bone dry. And like the lumber tycoons of the early 20th century who didn't give a damn about future generations as they tore down every forest they could get their hands on, these oil barons are not telling the public what they know to be true -- that there are only a few more decades of useable oil on this planet. And as the end days of oil approach us, get ready for some very desperate people willing to kill and be killed just to get their hands on a gallon can of gasoline.

President Obama, now that he has taken control of GM, needs to convert the factories to new and needed uses immediately.

2. Don't put another $30 billion into the coffers of GM to build cars. Instead, use that money to keep the current workforce -- and most of those who have been laid off -- employed so that they can build the new modes of 21st century transportation. Let them start the conversion work now.

3. Announce that we will have bullet trains criss-crossing this country in the next five years. Japan is celebrating the 45th anniversary of its first bullet train this year. Now they have dozens of them. Average speed: 165 mph. Average time a train is late: under 30 seconds. They have had these high speed trains for nearly five decades -- and we don't even have one! The fact that the technology already exists for us to go from New York to L.A. in 17 hours by train, and that we haven't used it, is criminal. Let's hire the unemployed to build the new high speed lines all over the country. Chicago to Detroit in less than two hours. Miami to DC in under 7 hours. Denver to Dallas in five and a half. This can be done and done now.

4. Initiate a program to put light rail mass transit lines in all our large and medium-sized cities. Build those trains in the GM factories. And hire local people everywhere to install and run this system.

5. For people in rural areas not served by the train lines, have the GM plants produce energy efficient clean buses.

6. For the time being, have some factories build hybrid or all-electric cars (and batteries). It will take a few years for people to get used to the new ways to transport ourselves, so if we're going to have automobiles, let's have kinder, gentler ones. We can be building these next month (do not believe anyone who tells you it will take years to retool the factories -- that simply isn't true).

7. Transform some of the empty GM factories to facilities that build windmills, solar panels and other means of alternate forms of energy. We need tens of millions of solar panels right now. And there is an eager and skilled workforce who can build them.

8. Provide tax incentives for those who travel by hybrid car or bus or train. Also, credits for those who convert their home to alternative energy.

9. To help pay for this, impose a two-dollar tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.

Well, that's a start. Please, please, please don't save GM so that a smaller version of it will simply do nothing more than build Chevys or Cadillacs. This is not a long-term solution. Don't throw bad money into a company whose tailpipe is malfunctioning, causing a strange odor to fill the car.

100 years ago this year, the founders of General Motors convinced the world to give up their horses and saddles and buggy whips to try a new form of transportation. Now it is time for us to say goodbye to the internal combustion engine. It seemed to serve us well for so long. We enjoyed the car hops at the A&W. We made out in the front -- and the back -- seat. We watched movies on large outdoor screens, went to the races at NASCAR tracks across the country, and saw the Pacific Ocean for the first time through the window down Hwy. 1. And now it's over. It's a new day and a new century. The President -- and the UAW -- must seize this moment and create a big batch of lemonade from this very sour and sad lemon.

Yesterday, the last surviving person from the Titanic disaster passed away. She escaped certain death that night and went on to live another 97 years.

So can we survive our own Titanic in all the Flint Michigans of this country. 60% of GM is ours. I think we can do a better job.

Yours,
Michael Moore

Hermy
06-01-2009, 12:32 PM
9. To help pay for this, impose a two-dollar tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.
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It will also fuck people and grind our economy to an immediate halt.

Glenn
06-01-2009, 12:40 PM
That would make a good movie, but it would be awfully hard to pull off in reality.

I like Mike, though.

He gets people thinking (those with open minds, at least).

Fool
06-01-2009, 12:40 PM
And people with open buffets.

Glenn
06-01-2009, 12:45 PM
^cheap shot

Fool
06-01-2009, 12:47 PM
No it's very expensive, that's the point of the joke.

Glenn
06-01-2009, 12:49 PM
Don't you have a thread for that kind of stuff?

Uncle Mxy
06-01-2009, 12:52 PM
"Obama & Me", a story about GM's new CEO, will be in theaters soon.

MoTown
06-01-2009, 12:59 PM
It will also fuck people and grind our economy to an immediate halt.
I said some good points...

Zip Goshboots
06-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Hermy:

Yes, I agree with you. However, we American Citizens have as much a stake in the failure of GM and our precarious economic balance as anybody. We (very much including my pathetic self) have NEVER taken advantages of the freedoms (and the responsibilites that come with them) or the advantages of being American.
We've never demanded better from our politicians and corporations. We have for years bought into gas guzzling mega trucks and cars and gigantic homes that we don't need and really couldn't afford. We overspend on worthless possessions that do nothing but feed our egos and give us something to brag about when we're shagging our neighbor's wife (or trying not to stare at her tits if we are good boys)--and we spit out demon spawn children that we spoil rotten and force them to raise themselves while both parents work to afford the bloated bottom lines that the Magic Credit Man has granted us, or pay some dumbass day care sitter (who just got out of prison and can't get a real job) to take care of them at an alarming rate, and most of us do so way before we can support them financially, spiritually, emotionally, phsyically, and sensibly.

We move 45 miles out into the suburbs to excape having to live next to people with darker skin. Most of us don't go to college, and if we do, we get generic degrees like "Business Management" or "Accounting" or "Finance"--and don't challenge ourselves with specialized degrees that make us more marketable--all over the world.

Now WE are prisoners to our imported Chinese junk, our cars, our mansions, our docile, dreamy existence in Pleasant View Estates, our 50 inch plasma tvs (so we can watch some Dink tell us how bad things are all day on the news)--and the whims of oil barons who have for years been telling us that the best thing we can do with our money is make sure they can all have five houses to live in and make 50 millions of dollars every day of the year.

So what do we do about our problems? Well, nothing that the local pharmacist can't help us with. Pills for depression, anxiety, and boners--and we wouldn't need these pills if we weren't so worried about losing our cubicle at MegaCorp, Inc and our paycheck that we have taught ourselves to outspend by a ratio of about 2:1.

Y'know--Moore is right (even though Tahoe will be on here shortly to tell us that there is more than enough oil in the Earf to last for the next 12 trillion years if only the "Tree Huggers" would let us drill more)--it's time to pay the piper, to sacrifice, and to somehow make sure that the whole thing doesn't blow up even in MY lifetime, let alone some young dude who is about 20 and still trying to figure out which is more important--fucking another skank at the bar or getting his fourth DWI.

Uncle Mxy
06-01-2009, 01:13 PM
9. To help pay for this, impose a two-dollar tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.
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It will also fuck people and grind our economy to an immediate halt.
It depends on how you do it. The trick is to bump prices gradually, in a way that doesn't lead to stupid amounts of hoarding. The real problem is that gas isn't priced relative to its impact, and the base prices had been kept low in artificial ways (using different piles of money) for decades.

Of course, I love how it's phrased -- an extra $2/gallon. No, it's not listed as a percentage, or some absolute value relative to current prices.

The psychology of consumer gas prices is interesting. It's the price that everyone knows, because gas stations and their billboards are everywhere. It's the common denominator that makes for inevitable water-cooler talk. I bet that more people know what the current price of gas is than they know how much items in a dollar store cost, or the price of any item of food they routinely consume, etc. Folks will create mad lines of cars at the pump if it's 5 cents cheaper than anywhere else, but a 2% sale on eggs or beer won't move butts. I suspect that only the substance addicts know their substance prices as well as the masses do their gas prices. There's seasonal fluctuation that's obvious and measurable, but few seem to have figured that out.

Fool
06-01-2009, 01:22 PM
Don't you have a thread for that kind of stuff?

Everyone wants control of the Tells You How It Is thread. Start your own dammit!

Glenn
06-01-2009, 01:48 PM
Actually, I was trying to help you promote it.

Thanks for nothing!

Fool
06-01-2009, 01:59 PM
If you want something, don't ask for nuthin'.
If you want nuthin', don't ask for something.

DennyMcLain
06-01-2009, 02:08 PM
And people with open buffets.

And people with greasy t-shirts.

Wilfredo Ledezma
06-01-2009, 02:15 PM
The notion that America should care about Detroit's failed auto-industry is a joke.

We've been in this 'recession' longer then they all have, and I'm sure we'll be the last to surface from it.

Why should we make our problems, theirs? Nobody outside of the midwest cares about 'Buying American', and they shouldn't have to.

Nobody wants to buy those stupid compact 'fuel-efficient' cars, regardless of how many miles they get. How the government hasn't figured that out yet, is absolutely amazing. And yet we're supposed to believe the Chevy Volt and low-energy high-speed trains are the answer to all our blue-collar problems. Please...

Detroit's on its own.


9. To help pay for this, impose a two-dollar tax on every gallon of gasoline. This will get people to switch to more energy saving cars or to use the new rail lines and rail cars the former autoworkers have built for them.

This won't get people to do shit. Because it's so fucking easy to just "switch" to 'energy saving cars', right? All those people who drive Suburbans or F-350's are going to have an easy time just flipping their car into 'energy saving' because the imposed gas tax will make it SOOOO easy to sell your gas guzzlers?

This is why nobody listens to Michael Moore. He's a fucking porker who profits from looking at everything with a 'glass-half empty' mentality.

Glenn
06-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Ledezma's glass is always half-full.

It was completely empty until he poured yours into his when you looked away.

Fool
06-01-2009, 02:34 PM
That's what's so funny! I switched glasses while your back was turned!

Wizzle
06-01-2009, 02:37 PM
Moore talks GM (http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=news/local&id=6841354)

also.....Liz Dueweke [smilie=hitit.gif]

Glenn
06-01-2009, 02:50 PM
also.....Liz Dueweke [smilie=hitit.gif]

Liz Dueweke’s Interests:
Working out, Pets, Dogs, Music, Art, Reading, Weight Training, Computers

Zip Goshboots
06-01-2009, 03:38 PM
The notion that America should care about Detroit's failed auto-industry is a joke.

We've been in this 'recession' longer then they all have, and I'm sure we'll be the last to surface from it.

Why should we make our problems, theirs? Nobody outside of the midwest cares about 'Buying American', and they shouldn't have to.

Nobody wants to buy those stupid compact 'fuel-efficient' cars, regardless of how many miles they get. How the government hasn't figured that out yet, is absolutely amazing. And yet we're supposed to believe the Chevy Volt and low-energy high-speed trains are the answer to all our blue-collar problems. Please...

Detroit's on its own.



This won't get people to do shit. Because it's so fucking easy to just "switch" to 'energy saving cars', right? All those people who drive Suburbans or F-350's are going to have an easy time just flipping their car into 'energy saving' because the imposed gas tax will make it SOOOO easy to sell your gas guzzlers?

This is why nobody listens to Michael Moore. He's a fucking porker who profits from looking at everything with a 'glass-half empty' mentality.

Well, an opinion that almost sounds as if it's your own!

I agree Detroit is on its own. But your take that Americans shouldn't have to care about buying American , that they shouldn't care about Detroit or American auto workers is a bit shabby. I think it can be countered with "Why the fuck should we care about Iraq or Afghanistan and their gubmints?"--well, those problems affect ALL Americans, right? So does Detroit. Over 200,000 jobs lost in the auto industry (and MORE to come) means quite a hit on the American economy---so here's the question: buy American, or watch your tax dollars go to feed them while they are unemployment? And it hasn't just happened to the auto industry. Hell, YOU come on here complaining about not being able to find a job or having your last one eliminated--well, fuck you too!
And as for Americans not "wanting" "stupid" fuel efficient or small cars, well--then pay the 95.00 to fill up your tank and shut the fuck up! Don't go telling the gubmint to reduce our dependency on foreign oil without doing what you can to reduce YOUR dependency on foreign oil. It's called having a "World View" and understanding that big gas guzzlers, while buying one for your fat ass wife may get you that once-per-year blowjob, are impractical, stupid, and wasteful--and yeah, they DO harm the environment.
From a practical sense, light rail trains and new fuel efficient cars mean something else: JOBS, dickhead! What part of "If we build them, people will have money in their pocket to spend because they'll be working" doesn't make sense?
And what part of it IS about time we do something a bit radical to work on a problem BEFORE it becomes a disaster doesn't make sense? Sheesh, the poor American, who will have to consider going to work or soccer practice by taking mass transit instead of loading up their gargantuan penis-on-wheels to get their lazy asses to their desk or their screaming fucking kids to a place where they can yell at some poor shlep who doesn't understand that this little worthless bastard is the second coming of Pele or Ted Wiliams.

Wilfredo Ledezma
06-01-2009, 07:29 PM
Suggesting the government imposes a new tax on gas SIMPLY to discourage people from driving non-fuel-efficient vehicles? What the fuck is that?

That's not a 'solution'. It's more like liberal ultimatum if you ask me.

Why don't we tax junk food while we're at it so it will discourage people from purchasing it so they won't get fat.

There's no limits or boundaries to these types of flawed theorys. It just all leads towards a soft-tyranny. Government never fixed anything.

And do you seriously think any of the Big 3 would REALLY benefit from the government putting a new tax on gasoline? You can't be that naive, Zip.

Hermy
06-01-2009, 08:00 PM
Why don't we tax junk food while we're at it so it will discourage people from purchasing it so they won't get fat.



We soon will.

Tahoe
06-01-2009, 08:07 PM
Libs do want to regulate and control our way of life.

b-diddy
06-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Government never fixed anything.

thats sounds rather dogmatic. care to back that up? i mean, just for example, can you imagine how far back the medicine field would be without the government? how far back the US economy would be without government highways? how f'd we'd been if there was no government to conscript an army to boot out the brits in 1812? im kind of thinking your claim is rather unsubstantiated...




And do you seriously think any of the Big 3 would REALLY benefit from the government putting a new tax on gasoline? You can't be that naive, Zip.

the big 3 dug their own grave fighting every regulation that mightve saved them in the long run.

detroit is a prime example of how crippling an overbearing government can be, but the current economic crisis is a perfect counterargument on how devastating an unrestrained freemarket can be.

moore's arguments are practically questionable, but there needs to be consideration to something BIG happening, like energy independence. that aint happening without the gov, even if people like you or her think its a bad idea.

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2009/03/sarah-palin.jpg

Zip Goshboots
06-01-2009, 09:56 PM
Libs do want to regulate and control our way of life.

Shit, talk about dogmatic. Any other broken record chants for the night before you get drunk (or even after you get drunk)?

Tahoe
06-01-2009, 09:58 PM
It might be a broken record but its true.

Zip Goshboots
06-01-2009, 09:59 PM
It might be a broken record but its true.

Based on what?

Tahoe
06-01-2009, 10:06 PM
How much and what kind of fuckin sugar...has seemed to be important to Mr T.

China can buy and drive any kind of cars and trucks they want, but we won't be able to if dipshit gets his way.

Oh and Nanci was great today with the Chinese dude. Talks all her shit about global something or other no courage to stand up to anyone. Just have some tea.

Zip Goshboots
06-01-2009, 10:59 PM
How much and what kind of fuckin sugar...has seemed to be important to Mr T.

China can buy and drive any kind of cars and trucks they want, but we won't be able to if dipshit gets his way.

Oh and Nanci was great today with the Chinese dude. Talks all her shit about global something or other no courage to stand up to anyone. Just have some tea.

http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/145971_boring_jpgd699d88e9c17d829e01426ab4e3910f3

geerussell
06-02-2009, 12:02 AM
Imagine what it would be like if you lived in a city where almost every other house is empty.


Yeah, imagine that.

Uncle Mxy
06-03-2009, 08:16 AM
Nobody wants to buy those stupid compact 'fuel-efficient' cars, regardless of how many miles they get. How the government hasn't figured that out yet, is absolutely amazing.
It's a function of gas prices. Ford and GM sales are booming in international markets, in places where gas prices are jacked sky high. Here, people really don't want high gas prices, their representatives in government make it so, and we're seeing some of the consequences.

If it were about what consumers really wanted, we'd all have flying cars.