Nash/Kidd rumors

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Chatter-090518

Nash

Portland, Golden State, Toronto, New York and Houston are five teams we know of that are either readying or contemplating bids for Nash, with the Blazers listed first not only because of their interest in a push-the-pace veteran leader but because they could furnish Phoenix with multiple youngsters -- Jerryd Bayless and Travis Outlaw, just to name two for starters -- if the Suns decide they want to start over.

Kidd

It initially seemed as though Kobe Bryant's Los Angeles Lakers and/or LeBron James' Cleveland Cavaliers were the only suitors for Dallas to worry about, given their status as championship contenders and Kidd's ongoing pursuit of an NBA ring. But I've been advised that Portland -- with a decent amount of cap space to burn and its interest in veteran floor leadership established above when we got into Nash -- has to be on the list of potential Kidd suitors as well. New York is another team he'd likely consider. New York is another team that he'd likely consider if the Knicks show interest, purely because of his comfort level with Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni and familiarity with the area after his time with New Jersey.

The Mavs, though, can outbid anyone for the 36-year-old, who quietly had a much better season than advertised and who figures to have a far bigger impact if he is surrounded by at least three consistent producers. With Josh Howard plagued by ankle trouble all season, Dallas had only two of those: Nowitzki and Sixth Man Award winner Jason Terry. And that number was down to one in the Mavs' second-round series with Denver, when the Nuggets' length and aggressive trapping on pick-and-rolls smothered Terry.

Other Dallas news.

Cuban's ambitious target, in his words, is a "young perennial All-Star." That probably translates to pressing Toronto about its willingness to part with Dallas native Chris Bosh, but since the Raps continue to say they have no interest in moving Bosh, I could see the Mavs' sniffing around Atlanta to see if Josh Smith will be made available. Vince Carter, Richard Jefferson and Michael Redd are all likely to be available, but the Mavs know they need to get younger.

the blazers going after kidd would be incredibly dumb IMO. i love j-kidd and he's still got some game left in him. but it's not a good move for them IMO.

Sam Smith says the Blazers want Andre Miller, with Bibby ending up in Philly to replace him.

Smith also says that the Cavs might go after a Joe Johnson trade.

The dre, bibby thing would work out, but who are the cavs gonna give up for jj? and would any team give the cavs their best player in a trade?

Any team that trades a quality player to Cleveland needs to see a shrink.

Why hand them another weapon? Make them sign and or draft their own.

As for the Blazers getting Dre Miller and Philly getting Bibby I have just 1 question: Who does Atlanta get? They finally make the playoffs and now they're gonna let him walk and get nothing in return? If that happens their fans should riot (Do 10 crazy people = a riot?)

Kidd or Nash to Portland is the Blazers pushing too soon. If they stay the course they're looking at a dominant team for a long time. By trading for that veteran PG they are selling themselves short IMO.

Atl gave up 2 1st round picks and a max deal to get JJ as a RFA, they aren't gonna give him up for the chance to sign Andy, a 1st and Delonte.

Darko to the Knicks?

That would be awesome.

LMAO - that would be hilarious - unless he actually became a capable player in that freaky system.

At least they have a system... we have fucking Binary Man and his Binary Bullshit

LMAO - We have one.

It's called FUCKED!

Although Carlos Boozer could be headed to Detroit in a free-agent deal in July, there's a chance he'll end up going to Toronto in a package for Chris Bosh. The Bulls remain interested in Bosh, but Luol Deng would have to be part of a package going to the Raptors. The Raptors, privately, are acknowledging for the first time that they might need to trade Bosh, rather than risk losing him to free agency in 2010.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2009/05/30/2009-05-30_these_lakers_ready_for_knockout.html?page=1#ixz z0HBcNPVM4&B

How can Utah afford to take on Bosh's salary? I guess if they let Boozer and Memo walk and Millsaip gives them a discount...

Utah is not getting Bosh.

What about this:

Utah signs Boozer and sends him to Toronto
Toronto signs Parker and sends him to Utah
Utah sends Harping to Detroit, Toronto sends Bosh to Detroit
Detroit sends Amir to Toronto

Toronto moves Bosh for Boozer and Amir. Parker is gone anyway. They do it because they replace Bosh with a 20/10 player locked up for years.

Utah uses the cap space from Harpring to resign Memo and Millsaip. They also get a shooter to replace him that's cheaper.

Detroit gets Bosh and a backup SF for Amir. Amazing deal.

I think TOR might rather have the $ exception....though I could be wrong.

If Boozer doesn't opt out, why couldn't he be traded to Toronto as part of a Bosh package?

I don't see why Toronto wouldn't want to replace Bosh with Boozer (if they feel there is a good chance Bosh leaves next year).

PG Calderon/Banks
SG Kapono/Draft pick
SF Marion/Graham
PF Boozer/Amir
C Bargnani/Voskuhl

Chris, isn't Marion a FA?

Glenn, if Boozer doesn't opt out, why would they trade for him? They're already in the situation with Bosh that they're afraid of losing him next year. They'd be in that same boat with Boozer if it was his current contract.

Chris, isn't Marion a FA?

Glenn, if Boozer doesn't opt out, why would they trade for him? They're already in the situation with Bosh that they're afraid of losing him next year. They'd be in that same boat with Boozer if it was his current contract.
Yes, I'm resigning him in this scenario. They could let him walk, but probably aren't going to attract a better FA than Marion, even if they wait a year.

Also, I agree they wouldn't trade for Boozer without an extension. They'd have a better shot at retaining Bosh.

If Bosh is determined to leave, even if Toronto offered him an extension, then maybe Boozer would take that $ from Toronto?

Boozer is gonna go where the $ is, IMO, if that is Toronto, then so be it.

Does Boozer agree to a S&T or extension and trade to Toronto? I suppose he seems pretty set on money and not location. Cleveland, Utah, then Toronto? At least he's been slowly upgrading.

you can't sign& trade a player from another team, you can to wait at least 3 months..

I'm not saying we sign and trade him. They were talking about him doing a S&T to the Raptors from Utah in a 3 team deal.

you can't sign& trade a player from another team, you can to wait at least 3 months..

This would be the type of move as Atkins/Ben/Hill.

my neighbor traded in his escort for a camry. does that qualify for this topic?

Absolutely.

Ray Allen/Rondo for Amar'e/Barbosa/#14

Ray Allen/Rondo for Amar'e/Barbosa/#14

Is this a rumor, or your own idea?

Is this a rumor, or your own idea?

lol

http://ktar.com/?sid=1175731&nid=624

So Utah deal Boozer to Toronto, Detroit somehow scores Bosh and Utah get what?

Millsap guaranteed? Is there a "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" agreement in place to prevent us from chasing Millsap because we got Bosh?

I don't understand why Utah would not only help Toronto (by signing Boozer to a long term deal to the Raps don't have to worry about losing him) but also Detroit (why help us land Bosh?)

What do the Jazz get for helping out 2 different teams get what they want?

If Millsap is the answer there is NO WAY this deal goes down.

Here's why:

Let's say Boozer opts out. Good for him. Utah simply tell Millsap to go get the best deal he can find because they'll match it. Millsap does as he's told and Utah match BOOM - Utah get their man.

Under what wild scenario do they care what the fuck happens with Boozer?

We drop them a 1st and an expiring? I don't know what they would want off our roster so picks are all I can think of. Same with Toronto, nothing comes to mind that Utah would want. They could have us take a contract off their hands for it.

We drop them a first and expiring for what?

For doing the sign and trade? OK, let's run with that.

First question: We send them a pick and Amir for a re-signed Boozer and a shitty contract, or do we just get Boozer?

Second question: Why would we give them a pick and Amir for Boozer when it appears we'll be the ONLY team that is even thinking about giving Boozer $10 million per year.

Right now it appears Utah wants him to opt out so they can keep Millsap. It also appears we want Boozer to opt in so we can pursue Millsap.

Boozer is the 2nd prize here, Millsap is the priority (according to latest rumours).

Like I said: Why would Utah wanna help Boozer at all?

They want to re-sign Millsap. Once that happens they'll be happy for Boozer to move the fuck on.

The only scenario where we land Boozer via a trade is if he opts in. The Jazz want Millsap. Again - he's the priority. They would want to clean up their payroll situation so Boozer would be up for grabs.

Only problem there is anyone trading for Boozer has him for a grand total of ONE season. A few teams are gonna want that, especially all those teams that want tons of cap space for 2010.

What would Miami or New York give Utah for an expiring Boozer? Those teams have to come within 125% of his salary to make the deal work, so it's not really in the Jazz's best interests.

NOW, we come to the party. We want Boozer, but not for 1 season. We want him signed to an extension.

The Jazz either sign him to an extension and deal him to us for a future 2nd round pick or

The Jazz keep him and his expiring deal and hope to trade him for a package of players. NOTE: They'll pay a lot of tax if they choose this option.

Sure they can deal him to the Knicks or the Heat or whoever but those teams don't have the cap space to take his salary so Utah will have to take back salary too. Again, that's not what they want.

So, long story short:

Why the fuck are we giving Utah a future pick and Amir for Boozer?

If he opts out we can sign him outright and the Jazz will thank us for doing it cause that means they get Millsap.

If he opts in Utah will be dying to get him off their books and would be happy to send us a pick for taking him.

So, I vote Fuck The Mormons and refuse to send a pick, Amir, a future pick or anything else that might have any value one day in the distant future.

Fuck Utah (except Jerry Sloan and Paul Millsap. Can we get them as a package deal with our cap space?)

What would Miami or New York give Utah for an expiring Boozer? Those teams have to come within 125% of his salary to make the deal work, so it's not really in the Jazz's best interests.
Neither have anything to give. Miami has almost nobody outside Wade and Beasley (Chalmers and some more role players). NY has nothing unless they did a S&T with Lee (would only happen if Millsap left).

I'm doubting they'd give up Beasley at all.

And just like Utah are fucked even more.

If NY and MIA and most every other team have nothing to offer that Utah would accept then we become their ONLY option.

And at that point Joe can turn around and say "You know what? I don't want him anymore. I'm trying to land Bosh or Amare and if I don't get one of them I'm gonna run with what I have and take a stab at them next off-season"

So now Utah either pays huge tax or they pay us to take Boozer

lol

http://ktar.com/?sid=1175731&nid=624

This thing is still kind of floating around out there.

Can you imagine a Amar'e, KG & Pierce front line with KP43 off the bench?

This just in: Joe Dumars is KING!

There are rumors about a "Sergio Rodriguez to the Knicks" draft night trade being in place.

He fits the profile of a Knick.

And GD - that article actually mentions how a Celtic/Suns deal isn't likely to happen.

The deal mentioned as "most likely" is a Washington trade (Butler/#5 for Amare).

And if you read the comments one guy actually proposed a Ben Wallace/Mo Williams (and a pick or 2 to balance this out) for NASH AND AMARE!!!

Fuck me!

If that dude was any more of a homer he'd be a fat yellow motherfucker.

If that dude was any more of a homer he'd be a fat yellow motherfucker.


P.O.T.D.!

Excuse me, I'm out of the loop on the P.O.T.D thing - WTF does that mean?

Post of the Day

Oh, sweet! Thanks for the compliment then.

I actually laughed when I typed it.

And I have never seen it used before, so I should et some credit for being original, too.

So Shaq to Cleveland for Ben & Pavlovic, eh?

LOL, Shaq has turned into Brittany Spears. Every star (guard) gets a turn with him.

What could the Suns possibly want from the Cavs?

^^


So Shaq to Cleveland for Ben & Pavlovic, eh?

Speculation is that the Suns would try to reach buyout agreements with both Ben & Sasha.

Sasha is only partially guaranteed (kind of like Stackhouse's deal).

So they could save as much as $10m in salaries and tax dollars (depending on the buyout amounts).

What about a S&T with Side show (for whatever price the Suns are willing to pay) and one of those in a buyout?

Otherwise Amare is forced to bang with centers again.

What about a S&T with Side show (for whatever price the Suns are willing to pay) and one of those in a buyout?

Otherwise Amare is forced to bang with centers again.

Sideshow & Robin Lopez...on the same team...

http://phoenix.fanster.com/suns/files/2009/04/robin-lopez.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/cleveland/1/7/c/H/-/-/varejao.jpg

Dear God...

I got yer backup big right here...
http://tourneytrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/noah.jpg

they would certainly clog the paint.

And the drain.

I got yer backup big right here...
http://tourneytrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/noah.jpg


I love that suit.

I've seen that cat in Southfield... yep that's him... Bozo the clown

GEORGE: You've never heard of Bozo the Clown?
ERIC: No!
GEORGE: How could you not know who Bozo the Clown is?
ERIC: I don't know, I just don't.
GEORGE: How can you call yourself a clown and not know who Bozo is?
ERIC: Hey, man - what are you hassling me for? This is just a gig, it's not my life. I don't know who Bozo is, what - is he a clown?
GEORGE: Is he a clown? What, are you kidding me!?
ERIC: Well, what is he?
GEORGE: Yes, he's a clown!
ERIC: Alright, so what's the big deal! There's millions of clowns!
GEORGE: Alright, just forget it.
ERIC: Me forget it? You should forget it! You're livin' in the past, man! You're hung up on some clown from the sixties, man!
GEORGE: Alright, very good, very good...go fold your little balloon animals, Eric. Eric! What kind of name is that for a clown, huh?

WOW


Jefferson on move again?
Posted by Marc J. Spears, Globe Staff

An NBA executive told the Boston Globe today that the Minnesota Timberwolves is working a deal with the Phoenix Suns that would send former Celtics forward Al Jefferson and their sixth pick in next week's NBA Draft for All-Star Amare Stoudemire.

The Suns, which have dangled Stoudemire for some time, fiound a suitor in Minnesota that is in transition. The team announced today that coach Kevin McHale has ended his 15-year association with the team. New basketball of operations David Kahn is looking to take the franchise into another direction
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/06/jefferson_on_mo.html

WTF? That's a terrible trade! Who did they replace McHale with, this guy (http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/retarded_piercings.jpg)?

Perhaps Al Jefferson's ACL tear recovery hasn't gone so well...?

why add the pick

im beginning to feel bad for Jefferson. I thought he was one of those untouchable bigmen...guess not. I wish we could offer something.

why add the pick

im beginning to feel bad for Jefferson. I thought he was one of those untouchable bigmen...guess not. I wish we could offer something.

Yeah, we don't have an Amare on the roster. But, maybe without the 6th pick they would want less. They'd probably like Thabeet to pair with Love but he'll be gone by #6. Memphis likes Hill, he'd be there at #6.

What about:

Jefferson to Detroit
#6 + second rounders to Memphis
#2 + Bynum + Amir and to Minny

This may need tweaking, I'm not sure everyone is happy.

I don't know if Hill would be there at 6. Most mocks I've seen have him going at 4 or 5.

The Nets and Cleveland Cavaliers have discussed Vince Carter(notes) again, sources said. As financial losses mount for New Jersey’s ownership, it appears more likely that the Nets will try to move Carter and the two years and $33.6 million left on his deal. The Nets would have to take Ben Wallace(notes) and Sasha Pavlovic(notes) in return. The Spurs haven’t given up their long-standing pursuit of Carter, but a deal with San Antonio has never gained traction. … Houston Rockets guard Tracy McGrady(notes) would love a move to the Chicago Bulls, one league executive said, but Bulls GM Gar Forman has no interest. Still, the Rockets are determined to move his expiring $23 million contract. … League executives say Philadelphia 76ers forward Elton Brand(notes) and the four years and $65 million left on his contract are available. But as one Western Conference GM said: “Who’s going to take that with him missing 130 games in the past two years?” … The Rockets, Cavaliers and Blazers are interested in buying first-round picks. … Celtics guard Ray Allen(notes) has expressed a desire for a contract extension, league executives say, but that isn’t happening in Boston. … Stephon Marbury(notes) is telling friends he believes that the Celtics want to re-sign him. … The Knicks want Stephen Curry and Curry wants them, but it’s unlikely Walsh will move up from No. 8 to be sure they get him. … The Bulls are trying to move useless Jerome James(notes) and his $6.6 million contract to create more cap space to re-sign Ben Gordon(notes). If they don’t send the Nets their two first-round picks for No. 11, they’ll have to ship one of those picks to get a team to take James from them.

I love how every time there has been a trade rumor over the past two weeks or so, the very next day there is a bevy of reports that claim there is "zero truth" to them.

It's hilarious.

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While the Raptors' intention is to keep Chris Bosh, who is not remotely being shopped, but he can be had for a knock-'em-dead offer -- a prime time player, another starter, a No. 1 pick and cash. Sources say there has yet to be a single concrete proposal that comes close to blowing anybody that matters (Bryan Colangelo) away.

Clips were confident they had a Kaman deal 48 hrs ago. That changed last night. Camby to OKC is still out there right now.

Also, this made me lol...


Patrick Chewing update: Asked Ty Lue to watch the commercial in slo-mo. He did. His response on the guy dunking: "That ain't Pat."

If we offered Toronto Rip, Tay and #15 does that meet their requirements?


a prime time player, another starter, a No. 1 pick and cash.

Neither is really a "prime time player", but they're both better than most. Our pick ain't that high, but it's right in the middle of where many GM's want to be this Draft (according to reports).

So, Tay/Rip/#15 for Bosh/Banks/Humphries?

AFTER we sign Gordon, a SF and a C/F to pair with Bosh.

We might not get 3 prime time free agents but with Bosh and Stuckey as our building blocks I think Joe would feel very comfortable with a guy like... say Josh Childress as a starting SF.

Dude ain't great but if he's in the starting 5 with Bosh, Anderson, Gordon and Stuckey I think we'd be reasonable...

Let me see:

Gordon = $8 mil
Birdman = $5 mil
Childress = $4 mil

Yeah, that works.

So we'd be:

C: Birdman/Kwame
F: Bosh/Maxiell/Amir/Humphries
F: Childress/Second rounders
G: Gordon/AA
G: Stuckey/Bynum/Banks

Atlanta would match $4m for Childress in a heartbeat, not that he'd even sign an offer sheet that low anyways.

Can they match?

I thought that's why he bailed to whereverville, GD?

To escape their chance of fucking with him.

And from what I've read he;s looking to return because he didn't really stand out like a superstar in Euro ball, where athleticism isn't the be all and end all it is in the NBA.

They still have his NBA rights. He's an RFA.

And from what I've read he;s looking to return because he didn't really stand out like a superstar in Euro ball, where athleticism isn't the be all and end all it is in the NBA.
I'd read that it had more to do with an on-the-court riot:

http://dimemag.com/2009/05/josh-childress-involved-in-on-court-riot-in-greece/

So he's a weak minded fool?

From what I read prior to the riot he wasn't exactly looking like an All-Star.

I bet he wants to come back and IF he knew the Hawks wouldn't match (they have bigger worries than Childress like Bibby and Marv) he'd take a $4 mil starting salary in a heartbeat.

:sas:


The Hawks won't do any better than they did this year unless they get who they want: Amare Stoudamire. They're after him.

Who are they offering in that rumour?

Josh Smith?

Wasn't he on the the trading block?

Josh Smith with Nash would be something fun to watch, actually it could be doable...i hope we could get involved and take either jsmith or amare..

Philly Inquirer


Dalembert To Charlotte Being Discussed

Jun 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST

The Sixers are discussing a deal with Charlotte in which Samuel Dalembert and the 17th overall pick in the Thursday's draft is exchanged for Vladimir Radmanovic, Nazr Mohammad, and the 12th pick in the draft.

The Bobcats would save approximately $2 million in the trade.

^Precursor to dealing us Okafor?

I hope

I agree. Lets hope it goes down. Can't imagine they'd keep Okafor and Sammy both.

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According to the same source that disclosed Terry Porter was about to be fired as Suns coach, the Rockets are leaning toward swapping Tracy McGrady's expiring $22M contract, Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks for Leandro Barbosa and Stoudemire, who owns an escape clause after next season and is demanding an extension this summer to waive it.

I think this was written before the Shaq trade, tho.

Zero chance the Rockets are giving up Aaron Brooks in that deal.

The Yao Ming development from yesterday could be motivating some of that discussion.

What's the Yao issue?

Foot not healing. Went from being out "a few weeks" to "indefinitely".

They don't need him for almost a year. I wouldn't trade a solid young PG over some regular season wins.

What are the suns going to do with jrich and tmac on the same team? trade jrich for tay?!

Rockets draw overtures about trade for T-Mac
Possessing no pick, Morey would like to acquire one
By JONATHAN FEIGEN Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
June 24, 2009, 10:07PM

While the Rockets spent the days leading up to tonight’s NBA draft trying to acquire the selection they lack, other teams have been interested in something the Rockets already have.

Rockets general manager Daryl Morey described other teams’ pursuit of Tracy McGrady and the final season of his contract as “very aggressive.”

Morey seemed more interested in finding a way into the draft. But unlike last year, when he considered McGrady untouchable and even had him in Rockets owner Leslie Alexander’s office on draft night, Morey said he would consider offers.

“We’re getting a lot of interest on Tracy, and I do have to listen,” Morey said. “It’s my job to make this team as ready to win the title as possible. I think the reason we are going to have a pretty high bar on moving him is because he still provides exactly what coach (Rick Adelman) and I thought we were missing, which was a guy who can get a high-quality shot at the end of the game.

“That said, we want to position ourselves for the playoffs, it looks like it’s going to be hard for Tracy to be here for a good chunk of the year, so if we can get a talented player who helps us all season, I think we have to look at it.”

Morey said that there is a chance McGrady could be back earlier than originally expected but that there can be no timetable before he has begun any on-court rehabilitation.

With McGrady heading into the final year of his contract and the Rockets willing to accept a longer contract in return for the right player, teams could be eager to acquire McGrady to help clear cap space heading into the highly anticipated 2010 free-agency season. With a portion of McGrady’s contract insured, teams could also save money during the time McGrady is out rehabilitating in the wake of microfracture knee surgery.

“I think that’s why you see the rumors,” Morey said. “There is so much economic strife in the league, teams are interested in the potential savings he can bring. ”

Rather than make a trade, Morey seemed much more motivated to find a pick. With the Timberwolves’ trade of Randy Foye and Mike Miller to Washington, Minnesota has six picks, four in the first round. Memphis (Nos. 2 and 27), Sacramento (Nos. 4 and 23), Oklahoma City (Nos. 3 and 25) and Chicago (Nos. 16 and 26) also have more than one first-round pick. Portland has a first-round pick (No. 22) and four second-round selections.

“We’d like to acquire one,” Morey said. “It looks like we might have some options, but it’s very unclear at this point. Everyone is negotiating. Every negotiation comes down to the last day, the last minute.

“We do like some players high in the draft where we would think about giving up some player assets. I wouldn’t forecast that as very likely. Buying a pick looks like it may have a pretty decent chance, somewhere around 50/50, maybe a little less. We’re just going to be opportunistic. That’s where you have to be with the draft.

“I think there are more sellers than buyers.”

Though many picks probably will be dealt, the Rockets, like many teams, are more likely to make a move once they’ve seen the draft unfold, especially if they become assured that a particular player they want will be available for selection.

“Our focus is different (than when concentrating on a particular part of the draft),” Rockets director of player personnel Gersson Rosas said. “We analyze the players based on who we value from top to bottom. Who do you like? Why do you like them? Does what they do translate (to the NBA level)? Does what they do fit in with how we play?

“From there, you get a broad range of players. Once you go through the process, you evaluate what are you willing to pay to get in and get them.”

While doing that, Morey might just pick up the phone to talk about McGrady, too.

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According to the same source that disclosed Terry Porter was about to be fired as Suns coach, the Rockets are leaning toward swapping Tracy McGrady's expiring $22M contract, Carl Landry and Aaron Brooks for Leandro Barbosa and Stoudemire, who owns an escape clause after next season and is demanding an extension this summer to waive it.

I dont see the point of this at any time. Amare is expiring too, they just get worse players. If they really want to move Barbosa I'm sure they could without losing Amare.

I just read an Amar'e/Biedrins rumor too. (Arizona Republic)

The same report indicates some interest from the Wizards, which could get scary. They have some assets to deal now.

Amare on the Wiz would be fun to watch.

TJ Ford to the Suns? (Yahoo)

Darko to the Knicks is back again. QRich to Memphis (CBS Sportsline)

Darko to the Knicks is back again. QRich to Memphis (CBS Sportsline)

This makes more sense if the Grizzlies are going to take Thabeet.

But there is also a rumor that the Gizz take Rubio and then trade him (and more parts) to the Knicks for David Lee.

I still dont get Thabeet in Memphis (or Rubio for that matter). Gasol is a lumbering center. they'd be way to slow up front. I'd be on the phone with Minny to get #5 and #18. They can get Hill or a SG at #5 and another good player at #18.

Adrian W. from Yahoo posted this within the hour:


League executives say the Phoenix Suns and Golden State Warriors have discussed a possible trade that is centered around sending Amare Stoudemire to the Warriors for a package that would include Andris Biedrins and the No. 7 pick in the draft.

That kills two of our potential targets.

yeah supposedly it will be biedrins, brandon wright, marco bellineli, and possibly the #7 pick for amare. depends who is left at #7 and if the suns want them.

wow. big name guys going in big trades left, right, and center. hoping we jump in the mix somewhere and trade rip and tay. not just for a big name guy, but somebody who can really help us in the longterm and shortterm.

i'm holding out hope we trade for kaman. what about brand? he's ridiculouly overpaid and his health is in question. but we have room to absorb his deal and we could trade someone like rip for him to offset some of that cap hit.

OK sorry. i'm getting carried away. just saying- there are deals out there and we should get something done. it's clear that teams are willing to deal so we should jump in the mix.

And now all the activity stops for a week or 2.

It's funny that San Antonio landed Jefferson, Orlando got Vince Carter, Cleveland got Shaq and all these rumours are flying about this star and that star but "we" stayed silent.

One would assume we'd at least be linked to someone with all this talk flying thick and fast... maybe everyone just assumes we'll do that in free agency?

I was hoping we could land players via trade...like a Kaman for 2nd rounder type of deal, not signing fucking BOOOOOOOZE

Please see "the sequence of things" thread.

Why wouldn't sterling jump at the chance to dump Randolph's contract?


Sterling stopped Randolph deal

The Memphis Grizzlies (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mem) need help at power forward and had a lot of deals on the table Thursday, but none came to fruition. The Commercial-Appeal (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/jun/27/griz-clippers-swap-fails/) reports Darko Milicic (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2171) and Greg Buckner (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=111) could have been traded to Los Angeles for Zach Randolph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1017), but Clippers owner Donald Sterling nixed the deal.

Millsap wants Lee money

Paul Millsap | Jazz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=uth)
According to the Deseret News (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705313348/Utah-Jazz-Up-next-is-free-agent-frenzy.html), DeAngelo Simmons will seek a contract for Paul Millsap (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3015) that equals or trumps the contract David Lee (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2772) will get with the New York Knicks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=nyk). "I really can't say (precisely how much money Millsap is seeking)," said Simmons. "But the two guys are pretty close, with what we're looking at.
"He's a big time ballplayer who can help the team a lot. ... What's the next level for Paul? Probably All-Star. He has that capability."

Greg Buckner is still playing basketball?

Why wouldn't sterling jump at the chance to dump Randolph's contract?

The Cleveland Cavaliers are trying to do a sign-and-trade for Anthony Parker with the Toronto Raptors, sources say.

seriously? parker is a real nice player. but what the hell is he going to do for the cavs that their current group doesn't do? that's not where they need help.

Maybe he's gonna Coach?

Not surprisingly, the Jazz are reportedly shopping Boozer and AK47.

AK for TMac is rumored.

Houston would be better off dealing McGrady for Boozer.

Not surprisingly, the Jazz are reportedly shopping Boozer and AK47.

AK for TMac is rumored.


where are you guys getting these rumors? cause i can't get any good FA gossip since the first day! i know it's july 4th weekend and all, but it's like all the major sports news sources are on vacation and are totally ignoring FA, unless something happens.

where are all the rumors and inside info you guys are getting?

CWPFs

WTF is CWPFS

Sources are mixed on if Amare-to-GS still happens. My hunch is yes because Nelly wants him and Phx wants to move on.

Mavs want Marion in a sign and trade.


The Dallas Mavericks (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal), after striking verbal agreements over the past few days to retain Jason Kidd (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=429) and sign restricted free agent Marcin Gortat (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2758) to an offer sheet, have identified their latest target: Shawn Marion (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=510).

The Mavericks and Toronto Raptors (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=tor), according to NBA front-office sources, are discussing a sign-and-trade deal that would bring Marion to Dallas.

Although no trade appeared imminent Monday night, Dallas has emerged as perhaps the best option for Marion. He appeared to be heading for a new deal with the Raptors when Toronto succeeded in wooing Hedo Turkoglu (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=862) away from the Portland Trail Blazers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por) with an 11th-hour bid on Friday after Turkoglu had committed to the Blazers.

If the Mavericks and Raptors can strike a deal -- with a third team potentially needed to help make the salary-cap math work -- sources say that former All-Star guard Jerry Stackhouse (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=802) will almost certainly be headed to the Raptors in the exchange. Stackhouse is scheduled to earn $7 million next season at age 34, but only $2 million of his salary is guaranteed.

Without a sign-and-trade, Marion's options for landing a contract that starts above the projected mid-level exception of $5.8 million next season would appear to be exhausted, with neither Portland nor Oklahoma City -- teams that still have cap space to burn -- expected to make him an offer.


Wonder if we could get into this and get Howard somehow. If they sign Marion he'll be the SF.

WTF is CWPFS
Close Warm Personal Friends.
COOOOOMONNNNN Pharaoh!

lol, I thought he was saying that "WTFDetroit is CWPF"

I think the lack of a question mark threw me off.

:stein:

If you want to see Matrix Marion in Dallas, root for a third team willing to take Kris Humphries off the Raps' hands or Stack himself

Those are not worth getting involved. Unless we are getting Bosh or Josh Howard in the deal (Dirk isn't going anywhere) there is no point throwing our hat in that ring.

Maybe Joe thinks he can get Bass cheap though.

Bass as the backup PF? Isn't he the guy that said he hates playing C? He's another undersized guy at barely 6'8" (with a huge 7'2" wingspan of course) and struggles guarding Cs, so he's not likely your backup center. I wouldn't want to have him AND Max either. You'd never find enough playing time to go around since neither are playing anything but PF and CV isn't bumping to C anytime soon to play next to one of them.

You'd have to move Max for sure (hopefully with RIP for a center). He's PF and that's it.

I'm just saying with Dirk/Marion/Howard they wouldn't have much PT for him.

Howard can play some SG, Marion can play some SF. He'd be the primary backup at PF. He'd get just as many minutes there as he would here.

But with Kidd there, Terry will continue to play SG. They have a backup PG.

If Terry, Howard, Marion, Dirk all get 33-35 MPG that leaves 8 MPG for Bass unless Dirk plays center (doubtful with Gortat there) or Terry plays PG (doubtful with Barrea there).

Forgot about Gortat. The minutes even out. As long as Marion, Dirk, and Howard get their starter status, they'll be fine. Dirk starts at C, Marion at PF, Howard at SF. For those 3 to all average 35 mpg, Dirk plays 20 at C and 15 at PF. Marion plays 33 at PF with a few minutes at SF. Howard can still play all of his minutes at SF. Gortat would get the other 28 minutes at C. As long as he won't cause issues off the bench that would work fine.

If they wanted to start all 4, just bring Terry off the bench and give Howard the starting SG role. Then filter him back to SF as the game goes on.

Kidd
Howard
Marion
Dirk
Gortat

Like I said, Terry has to play PG or Dirk at C or Bass gets 8 MPG. If you play Dirk at center for 20 MPG then you can give the PF minutes to Dirk for sure. But would they play Dirk at C for 20 minutes a night?

Damp played 26 MPG in the playoffs (but over 30 MPG a night against the Spurs). Hollins played 10 MPG. That means Dirk played 12 MPG at C in the playoffs. With Gortat there you have to figure they still use Damp there.

When they are facing TD, Bynum/Gasol and possibly Yao do you think they are going to use Dirk much at C?

The point is that Bass is looking at 20 MPG at best in Dallas if they get Marion. Detroit would give him more minutes than that assuming Max is gone.

Y! Sources: Shawn Marion to Dallas close: http://bit.ly/6AstL

If Villanueva is pulling in 28 minutes a game, Bass isn't getting more than 20. That doesn't seem like such a stretch to me.

Marc Stein (http://twitter.com/STEIN_LINE_HQ): Matrix Marion-to-Dallas deal could wind up including four teams from what I'm hearing. bit.ly/Q9WtT (http://bit.ly/Q9WtT)

I'm guessing there's little chance of the Pistons being one of those four teams that Stein referred to, since Glenneth posted this in the Non-Piston trade rumors thread. . .

What would we even get from any of those teams? Memphis, Dallas, and Toronto don't have a C for us. Memphis isn't parting with Gasol or Thabeet for the right to cut Stackhouse.

4th team is Orlando.

Mavs get Marion, Humphries, Buckner (likely released)

Raps get Devean George and Antoine Wright, plus they keep their midlevel and they don't have to renounce Delfino by S&Ting for Turkoglu

Griz get Stack (only $2mil guaranteed) and cash

Magic get a $7mil trade exception from the Turkoglu S&T

Bass is most likely out in Dallas.

They also are saying Terry back to 6th man with Howard starting at SG, Marion at SF.


Magic just lucked out like crazy. They were just handed a huge trade exception for practically nothing.

RUMOR

Boozer 2 CHI
Hinrich 2 POR
Ty Thomas 2 UTAH

ESPN.com

Another major multi-team trade might be looming in the NBA with the Portland Trail Blazers, Utah Jazz and Chicago Bulls having discussed a deal that would be headlined by Carlos Boozer and Kirk Hinrich, according to NBA front-office sources.

Sources stressed to ESPN.com that no deal was imminent Thursday and that both Portland and Utah are still evaluating additional trade scenarios. But two sources with knowledge of the three-team proposal confirmed that there have been substantive talks aimed at landing Boozer in Chicago, Hinrich in Portland and Tyrus Thomas in Utah.

A deal featuring those main components would deliver the elite low-post scorer that the Bulls have been chasing for years in Boozer while also positioning them to have significant salary-cap space for the summer of 2010 to court Chicago native Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh in free agency, since Boozer is entering the final year of his contract.

Hinrich, meanwhile, is a lead guard that Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard has been known to covet for some time as a potential backcourt mate for Brandon Roy.

For a time Wednesday, sources say Chicago was committed to participate in the four-team deal that ultimately sent Shawn Marion to Dallas, with veteran forward Tim Thomas also headed for the Mavericks. One source said that the Bulls pulled Thomas out of that deal Wednesday night to plug him into another trade, but there was no clear indication Thursday if that was with Boozer in mind or if the Bulls have other plans for him.

Other players would likely be needed to complete any three-way deal involving Chicago, Portland and Utah for salary-cap reasons, but it is becoming increasingly evident that Utah -- even if a Boozer-to-Chicago concept goes no further -- is prepared to move the Team USA forward this summer to increase its financial flexibility to re-sign restricted free agent Paul Millsap.

Pritchard acknowledged Friday afternoon in a session with local reporters that he is also weighing whether to extend an offer sheet to Millsap, but he offered no timetable when asked how soon the Blazers -- who have just under $8 million in salary-cap space -- will make their first splash of the offseason.
Full story to go with Glenn's post.

Thanks Z.

Glenn thinks everyone lives online and rarely posts a link that doesn't lead to twitter.

Do we have to make "post the link" rule, GD?

We hate rules, so do the right thing

I posted that from my phone, you ain't gonna get links from me when that's the case.

Sam Smith blasting people for making up rumors.


But before I get to that, I guess I have to deal with this trade story that was making the rounds in Chicago and the NBA Thursday of a three-way deal involving the Bulls, Trailblazers and Jazz with Carlos Boozer going to the Bulls, Kirk Hinrich to the Trailblazers and Tyrus Thomas to the Jazz.

Not true.

Made up.

Fabrication.

Prevarication.

Am I being too subtle here?

The report on ESPN said the teams “discussed” a deal and “two sources with knowledge of the three-team proposal confirmed there have been substantive talks…”

I’m not quite sure how you get that much wrong, but I think the editors may have left out the word, “not.”

As in the teams have “not” discussed a deal, and there have “not” been substantive talks.

I have checked this out thoroughly and am convinced there never have been discussions about any such deal. There’s a theory going around that the Trailblazers have been putting out the false leaks (you’ll notice they make out well in all the scenarios without much detail of what they give up) because of pressure they’ve been getting in Portland over losing out on Hedo Turkoglu after they said they would sign him.

There’s also a little modern day journalism issue in things like this. Which is not to say newspapers always got this stuff right and didn’t print false information. But with the internet and even more instant communication with Twitter, which many reporters use now to advance their scoops, stories often are measured in seconds or minutes of who got something out first. So the tendency, along with the evil of the update button that demands changes every few hours, is for a greater rush now for something new more often and more quickly, which doesn’t allow time to check things out as thoroughly.

And just think it out: The Bulls are going to give up two of their top six players for a one-year rental player they could get—if they wanted—in free agency next summer without giving up anything. And they’d have given up Hinrich and Ben Gordon and now need Jannero Pargo to play perhaps 30 minutes per game as a third guard. And this is with not having seen Boozer play after Boozer played in just 37 games last season, the second time in the last four seasons he played in fewer than 40 games because of injuries. And nowhere in the report is there any mention of any players leaving the Trailblazers. C’mon, who could really believe this?

Though it seems Tyrus Thomas believed it.

A reader notified me Tyrus wrote "Gone" on his Twitter update Thursday afternoon and later on his Facebook page posted: "Playing with Deron Williams would be sweet!' Tyrus later posted in a Tweet, "The media is a mess."

We figured he always felt that way.

That's funny as hell that Tyrus Thomas started talking about how great things would be before he even talked to his GM. Just shows how mature a guy is, I suppose.

Twitter is part of the internet.

Fucking Sam Smith. He's basically their Langlois at this point.

And "There’s also a little modern day journalism issue in things like this."??? Seriously??? He was famous for writing ridiculous rumors (most of which were impossible under the CBA) when he worked at the Trib. Now he's on a high horse???

Now that they lost Gortat, I wonder if Cuban might be willing to "help" the Hornets by taking Chandler from them?

For a hefty price (picks/players/cash, etc) of course.

Not sure there is a package that works. Dallas has some 3-4 mil a year players to offload, none are expirings though.

The Hornets would want Josh Howard (expiring).

The Mavs aren't giving up Howard for Chandler, especially now that news is out about his injury being more serious than we thought.

Maybe a Howard/Dampier package for Chandler/West/more salaries would be appealing, though.

Mavs could take Posey off their hands too (depends on how NO feels about the contract they gave him). With Stack gone (and Howard in this deal) they'd need a wing defender for Kobe.

The Heat are trying to get both Boozer and Odom.

Depending on what they'd be giving up, that could get scary.

The Heat are trying to get both Boozer and Odom.

Depending on what they'd be giving up, that could get scary.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-odomboozer071509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Riley is a better GM than Joe. Better at the draft. At trades. At hiring head coaches. Better.

Supposing they made those moves (Odom at MLE), Haslem/Wright for Boozer. That would be a pretty solid team assuming JO and Boozer can stay healthy.

PG Chalmers/Quinn
SG Wade/Cook
SF Beasley/Odom/Moon/Jones
PF Boozer/Odom/Moon
C O'Neal/Blount

Lots of forward depth though. Perhaps Davis would fit them better than Odom.

If Boozer/JO are hurt they can let them walk and go after Amare or Bosh anyway.

If i was wade, i'd probably stay with that team.

No state income taxes and South Beach doesn't hurt.

I need some G2, btw.

Your mom likes it.

:stein:


I'm hearing fresh, credible rumblings that the Suns remain open to the possibility of trading Amar'e Stoudemire before the season, offsetting recent suggestions that they were leaning toward taking Stoudemire completely off the trade market between now and training camp.

Trading Stoudemire, however, continues to be complicated, just as it was around the February trade deadline and again at the draft. Any team interested is going to want some sort of clear indication that it can re-sign Stoudemire, who has the right to become a free agent on July 1, 2010.

The news, furthermore, that Stoudemire also needed additional work last week on his surgically repaired eye adds to a medical history that -- in spite of what ranks as the most emphatic comeback ever from microfracture knee surgery -- is bound to give suitors pause.

Suns president of basketball operations Steve Kerr acknowledged at a news conference in Phoenix earlier this week for the signing of Channing Frye that an extension for Stoudemire won't be considered until team officials can see Stoudemire play because "the eye situation was more serious than what we first thought."

Maybe their asking price is lower? Even if he walked I would do RIP and filler. That means we'd have good cap space again

We wouldn't have good cap space if the cap falls again (as it is expect to do to the tune of 5+ mil).

Sure we would. We'd have his 16 mil off the books. If we still had Kwame that is another 4 mil. It might go down another few million, but we'd still have 17 mil.

Now if you move Kwame in the deal, the cap goes down, then you might not have enough for a max FA (other than extending Amare). Still worth the risk IMO.

No we wouldn't Chris. Guys are going to get raises, and the "filler" you are offering isn't on our books now as it is I presume. We would maybe have 10 even with Kwame.

If we dump Rip's salary for another expiring deal (like Amare), we're just under $42 million before our 2010 draft picks.

If we dump Rip's salary for another expiring deal (like Amare), we're just under $42 million before our 2010 draft picks.


So if it came down 5 million from the 57 million it is at......We'd have 10, maybe.

And word is it's coming down 5+.....and those draft picks.......and whatever else Joe does here giving someone a 2 year deal......yeah, fuck that.

rugbypike has been a nice addition, btw

Hope he sticks around.

So if it came down 5 million from the 57 million it is at......We'd have 10, maybe.

And word is it's coming down 5+.....and those draft picks.......and whatever else Joe does here giving someone a 2 year deal......yeah, fuck that.

Yeah, we need to dump Max's salary if we're trying to clear space for a max FA by dumping one of Tay or Rip. If we really suck next year, that might still not be enough if we have a high draft pick.

I keep hearing it will bounce back a little. Guess you never know though.

@DraftExpress: Memphis not happy Utah matched Millsap. They had a trade in place for Travis Outlaw for a draft pick contingent on that.

Who starts at SF for Portland if they added a PF like Millsap. Aldridge? Batum?

Batum with Roy playing there when Fernandez comes in.

Batum is ready to break out, IMO.

How much is that eye injury going to affect his play? I'd never really thought of that having a big impact, but if it seriously affected his vision that could cause major problems.

One eyed Amar'e is still an upgrade for us.

Batum starts at SF for them already. That wouldn't change.

Aldridge could play C next to Millsap if the Jazz hadn't matched. He's not playing SF in any situation. He's 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan and he's a beast in the frontcourt.

The Bulls originally had the Aldridge pick, and they traded it along with a future pick (turned into Petteri Koponen, a PG with a ton of potential that the Blazers have stashed in Europe) for Tyrus Thomas and Viktor Khyrapa. And the biggest thing they've been missing these last few years has been a quality big man.

One eyed Amar'e is still an upgrade for us.
I'd have to fully agree. But it could drive down his asking price, both in a trade and for the extension.

Just read a Scalabrine 2 Indy 4 Marquis Daniels rumor

I wonder if Portland would be interested in Maxiell after losing out on Milsap.

Millsap >>> Maxiell

Again, Max could really bounce back this year after getting out of the terrible situation he was in last season, but until he does, his contract negates most of his value.

Yea but after losing Channing Frye, they have really no backup 4. Travis Outlaw? They need a backup 4 for LMA.

And that is why they haven't dealt Outlaw. They had a deal on the table to move him if they got Millsap, but when Utah matched they had to pull it. I'm sure it was all over the web if it was reported on SportsCenter when they talked about Utah matching.

Sam Smith


Late Sunday night there was still another rumored deal. I received several emails about ESPN's Scoop Jackson on his Twitter (not sure if that is the correct grammar for Twitter) saying Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James were going to Houston with Carl Landry and Shane Battier to the Jazz and Boozer to the Bulls. If that's true, I assume the Rockets have decided to throw the season.

Well, there's the big man that Chicago has needed. I'd say Thomas to Boozer is an upgrade for them, for sure. I hope they know what they're getting into if they try to sign him long term though: Boozer's Priorities (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9818516/Boozer%27s-top-priority-was-always-Boozer)

I love how they always portray Gund as the poor blind man. Dude was trying to get Boozer to sign for less than he would have gotten on the market. He took the risk and lost. That doesn't make Boozer less of an asshole but Boozer being a douche doesn't make Gund a saint.

Yeah, Boozer locked up long-term for the MLE would have been a great deal for Cleveland. They should have just forced the douche to play on his minimum 2nd round salary for another year and resigned him to a market level contract.

I think Boozer's move was a much bigger dick move than what Cleveland tried to do. Whole other level IMO.

If Utah gets Battier, wtf are they going to do with AK47's 17 mil on the bench? Can't imagine they'd use both players.

If they're moving Boozer, they can play Battier as the 3 and AK as the backup 3/4. He was pretty successful playing PF from what I remember. Some analysts even suggested that he was better off in that role than as a SF.

Or the other way around, Battier can play some 4 as well. What's their PF depth behind Millsap?

Boozer to the Heat looks like it gonna happen.

InsideHoops.com

Nevermind looks like they jumped the gun on that

It happened?

Lol

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/more-info/story/1149915.html

A headline that appeared briefly on MiamiHerald.com incorrectly stated the trade status of Carlos Boozer of the Utah Jazz. While Boozer and the Jazz have ``mutually agreed'' to a trade, there has been no trade deal with the Miami Heat. The error happened in the editing process.
Isn't mutually agreed basically a deal pending league approval?

Deal For Boozer?
The Utah Jazz and Carlos Boozer are headed for a divorce that's almost inevitable at this point – the question is will he land in Chicago or Miami? The Chicago Bulls have told players involved in these Carlos Boozer trade rumors that they are not active in these talks, yet as the days go by more and more people are saying there is some substance behind the smoke.

The latest rumor comes by way of Scoop Jackson and Sam Smith who are suggesting a deal through Houston could be in the works with Shane Battier and Carl Landry from the Rockets headed to Utah, Carlos Boozer heading to the Bulls, Jerome James and Tyrus Thomas from the Bulls and Kyrylo Fesenko from the Jazz to the Rockets.

This deal makes a lot more sense for Chicago, but makes almost no sense for Houston unless they are genuinely chucking in the towel and embracing a youth movement.

Sources in Miami continue to say the HEAT are active in talks involving Boozer and might be offering a deal that includes Michael Beasley or Udonis Haslem as the center pieces of a straight up offer. Boozer and Dwyane Wade have been actively campaigning for Boozer to end up in Miami.

The HEAT are genuinely interested and the Bulls continue to say they are not, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out, but it does seem Carlos Boozer is headed East - the question is will it be Miami or Chicago?

If Boozer goes to Miami, he probably stays there with a long term contract. He was reportedly interested in playing there before, plus if they lock up Boozer they likely lock up Wade.

And it wouldn't be surprising to see Bosh there eventually, too.

Would they have room for Bosh after paying Wade and Boozer?

If they sign Bosh with their cap room and then re-sign Boozer with his Bird rights, I think so.

They'd be in lux tax land, for sure, but if you want to win...

With Bird Rights, they'd have to renounce him or he'd have a cap hold.

Oh yeah. Bosh and Wade are tight apparently, and they've openly talked about playing together someday, so I was just going off of that.

Will one of them (or all of them) take less to play there together? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on Boozer doing that.

If anyone can figure out how to get it done, it's Riley.

Maybe they can acquire Bosh in a trade and then re-sign them all?

Maybe a three way that sends Jerm O'Neal and his huge expiring deal elsewhere?

Just farted around with this, but the Raptors would need more, I think.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=myfmo5

I'm betting Boozer would get extended (assuming he stayed healthy). Yeah, Bosh is a little better, but unless you know for sure he's coming you can't pass up a 20/10 player on your roster.

I would assume they renounce JO and don't pick up the option on Jones (if he's there after a Boozer deal). They'd pick up the options on Beasley, Chalmers and Cook. They'd wait to extend Wade until after a FA signing (but have his cap hold).

So they'd have about 38 mil in salaries (Wade, Boozer, Beasley, Cook, Chalmers). They could certainly go after Bosh and fill in the bench with picks and vet min types.

Would Bosh shy away with Boozer and Beasley already down low (Beasley could play SF and backup PF) and Wade? Would be tough for everyone to get touches.

Just farted around with this, but the Raptors would need more, I think.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=myfmo5

You want Utah to add 7 mil in salary? They are in tax level. No way they do that even to rid AK's final year. Maybe if someone gave them the cash to pay the taxes.

You want Utah to add 7 mil in salary? They are in tax level. No way they do that even to rid AK's final year. Maybe if someone gave them the cash to pay the taxes.

How are they adding $7m?

Boozer, AK47 and Koufos going out at $30.2

O'neal & Banks coming in at $27.5

So they shave about $3m off the books, which is about $6m with the tax.

Would Bosh shy away with Boozer and Beasley already down low (Beasley could play SF and backup PF) and Wade? Would be tough for everyone to get touches.
Would Beasley still be there after the Boozer trade? He may be the piece they move.

At first glance, I thought, "How the hell did James Jones get that contract?"

But after looking deeper, they've only partially guaranteed him for 10/11 and 11/12 for under $2m, so he'll be getting waived after this year, methinks.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm

Would Beasley still be there after the Boozer trade? He may be the piece they move.

Why would they trade Beasley for Boozer when Utah is desperate to move him to save money and open PT for Millsap.

They'd want a backup big and cap space for him. That's all they care about.

That's what the article said was rumored. Either Beasley or Haslem. Obviously, I'd much rather have Boozer and Beasley than Boozer and Haslem.

Bucks looking to move Bowen again.


@GeryWoelfel: Talks still ongoing between Bucks, knicks, clips and 3rd team - OKC? ... Bowen likely dealt soon.

I'm really interested to see what Hammond can do with the Bucks.

Other than the obvious Aussie connection there is also the fact that Hammond turned down numerous jobs before accepting the Bucks.

I wonder what he saw there that he didn't see in Toronto and Portland?

IIRC he declined both those jobs at one point.

Maybe he didn't think he was ready until now.

Some good stuff from D.A.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/22/aldridge.0722/index.html

Why didn't he mention the tax is not due for a while anyway (is it Feb?). So all that matters is their payroll then, not now.

Not sure when trade exceptions expire though. It would be easier to move him before then because they wouldn't have to take on 12 mil in salary if all teams were over the cap.

Etan Thomas and pick got traded for 2nd rounder and chucky atkins and damien wilkins

Cross, it is very hard for me to disagree with anything you type, largely because I keep staring at your avatar.

Wait, he typed something........

Take the boobs away from SJ and she's nothing... not even a blip on the radar. Her face is gross... but those boobs make her a worth staring at for hours.

yes boobs good

Take the boobs away from SJ and she's nothing... not even a blip on the radar. Her face is gross... but those boobs make her a worth staring at for hours.

Scarlett has been :motowned:

I think she's the hottest female...and her face didn't come out that good in my avatar, but when she does all the makeup and shit, her face is pretty good.

I think she's the hottest female...and her face didn't come out that good in my avatar, but when she does all the makeup and shit, her face is pretty good.
Bingo. Transvestites can look good with makeup on.

Just for the record, was it me who hijacked this thread, or Cross for posting the Avatar?

Blame it on the boobies.

I'd trade one of my lottery-protected first round picks for Scarlett.

I think she's the hottest female...and her face didn't come out that good in my avatar, but her face is pretty good.

slowwwwwwwww offseason

Marco Belinelli got traded to the Raps for Devean George

good move for the raptors

Another dude with potential traded for a squirt of shit.

I wonder if Joe wishes he had a time machine?

Belinelli wasn't looking at much playing time with all those SG/SFs that Golden State has. George will probably play PF for them.

I doubt he plays...

but I mean they're choosing Anthony Morrow over Marco Belinelli at this point...I thinkMarco's got bust written all over him. I was really high on him, thought he could be good, but he failed in a system where he was suppose to thrive. actually scratch that nellie was coaching his ass.

how many international players does Toronto have...

Roko ukic or whatever, Jose Calderon, Hedo, Rasho, Bargaini, Marco..wow

The Clippers acquired shooting guard Rasual Butler and an undisclosed amount of cash Wednesday in a trade with the New Orleans Hornets for a conditional second-round draft pick in 2016, a deal that Coach and General Manager Mike Dunleavy says gives the Clippers "good depth across the board."

The Hornets are expected to save about $8 million with the trade, including Butler's $3.9-million contract and luxury tax implications. Meanwhile, the Clippers are absorbing his salary, thanks to a $7.3-million trade exception they had after shipping Zach Randolph last month to the Memphis Grizzlies.

"We approached them," Dunleavy said, referring to the Hornets. "We have been aggressively proactive to make deals."

Good for Dunleavy. Everyone could smell the blood in the water in New Orleans, and they went in and took advantage of the resources they had available.

Essentially, they traded Randolph for Butler. Not a bad move at all.

My moles are telling me that the Bobcats and the Mavs are talking trade that would send Diop back to Dallas.

Diop must have some really nice incriminating pics of Cubes or something.

I doubt he plays...

but I mean they're choosing Anthony Morrow over Marco Belinelli at this point...I thinkMarco's got bust written all over him. I was really high on him, thought he could be good, but he failed in a system where he was suppose to thrive. actually scratch that nellie was coaching his ass.

how many international players does Toronto have...

Roko ukic or whatever, Jose Calderon, Hedo, Rasho, Bargaini, Marco..wow
More importantly, who's that girl?
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Scuttlebutt: The TWolves are rumored to be on the verge of doing something that my people call "significant".

Scuttlebutt: The TWolves are rumored to be on the verge of doing something that my people call "significant".

Pavlovic choosing Minnesota over New York (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Pavlovic-choosing-Minnesota-over-New-York?urn=nba,189892)‎

My people suck.

I like that most of my time spent on this website is in my cubicle and your signature is very work safe.

Ok, I've figured out how to disable signatures. I do however think atleast 2 of my co-workers were significantly less offended before they walked past my desk and read the word taint. Just an assumption.

You have two choices.

You can stop being a pussy or you can stop visiting WTF.

By going with a 3rd choice, disabling sigantures, I can remain a pussy and continue visiting WTF.

I used to be a pussy when Gutz had all those sigs with ... shit ... what was her name? on here shaking her shit maker. Currently I'm depussified.

What % of the general population even knows what "taint" refers to?

Anyone who has been through 7th grade.

Double post sorry- blackberry fail

I didn't know what it was until a girl I was dating about 3 years ago told me. I'm 25.

Ok, I've figured out how to disable signatures. I do however think atleast 2 of my co-workers were significantly less offended before they walked past my desk and read the word taint. Just an assumption.
Luckily, it's not that big. You should have seen how large my taint was originally.

There.

I used to be a pussy when Gutz had all those sigs with ... shit ... what was her name? on here shaking her shit maker. Currently I'm depussified.
Her?
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k232/mrwoods123/EstherBaxter81.jpg

Esther, that was her.