Sheed gets his $8m and Turk gets a small raise and the security that he's looking for.

The Magic can then roll with a Howard/Sheed/Lewis front line and we would find a new home for Tay.

You dig?

I'm a fan if we can move Tay for a legit big. I think I'm higher on Turk than anyone else here. He's a better at running an offense than anyone we've had this year. He finds the open man, he can drive the basket on slower SF's, and he can knock down the three over the top on shorter defenders.

He's not a great defender, but he's not totally horrible either. his ball handling skills would allow Stuckey to play more off the ball. Tay does that in theory, but he doesn't really take people off the dribble like Hedo does.

i hate Turkoglu, i am sure he's looking for 4,5 years; 9-10 a year, he's already 30, i wouldn't touch the capspace for him, no way

Peeps liked him here in Sac. I think he's a bit of a fan fav wherever he goes.

i hate Turkoglu, i am sure he's looking for 4,5 years; 9-10 a year, he's already 30, i wouldn't touch the capspace for him, no way

Why do you hate him? His numbers:

17 PPG
5 RPG
5 APG
%39 three point shooter in his career

He's a +8.8 when on the floor.

If we can get a legit big for Tay I think he's a great option.

He always tried out here. Effort wasn't an issue with him out here...not sure about now though. Pretty tough kid.

He doesn't fit the profile Joe describes.

You can't pair Turkoglu with Stuckey for the next 5 years.

Once Hedo gets a little older he's gonna turn into a PF that hangs around the perimeter and shoots 3's far too often.

Once Hedo gets a little older he's gonna turn into a PF that hangs around the perimeter and shoots 3's far too often.

Didn't stop Joe from acquiring Sheed, did it?

He doesn't fit the profile Joe describes.

You can't pair Turkoglu with Stuckey for the next 5 years.

Once Hedo gets a little older he's gonna turn into a PF that hangs around the perimeter and shoots 3's far too often.

lol

How the fuck is that funny, T?

And Glenn - when we acquired Sheed he wasn't the lazy fucker he is now...

Well, he wasn't as lazy as he is now.

And Hedo is not the presence that Sheed was, not even close.

Sorry about that...I should have finished my thought.

Relying on Joe's PROFILE of a player after he just brought in the MOST 'water and oil' team last year with an inexperienced coach, is NOT what I would concern myself with. I lol about that. He's just going to have to take a few hits for that team last year.

I love the guy, but he put that team and coaching staff together that couldn't get along for shit.

Well, I only have his word to go on.

If he says he loves the 3 point shot I'd be looking to "sign" or "trade" for shooters.

If he says he thinks we could use 2 ball handlers on the floor more often I'd be looking to "sign" or "trade" for swingmen that can handle the rock.

And if he says he wants players to team with Stuckey for the next 5 years then that's what I'm looking for.

Are you saying Joe could be a lying ass dog?

2 out of 3 there. Hedo can shoot the 3 and he can handle the ball when needed.

i just don't like him and 30 years is just too old to waste capspace on him, i'd rather go after Marvin Williams, even if he looks ordinary, at least he's only 24 years old! ;) + keeps improving

But isn't Marvin pretty much a midrange or closer player? That doesn't mesh well with RIP or Stuckey.

yeah we have to move RIP in this case, the question is who can get us a better bigman Tay or RIP ?

here's something crazy...


RIP+ Max for Brand

Tay + Amir + 15 pick for Bosh

sign Marvin+ Gordon

=

Stuckey
Gordon
Marvin
Brand
Bosh

;)

Why would we trade RIP for Brand? Don't like that deal. I'd rather do a S&T for Lee.

its difficult to find a quality starting big making 10+ and a team who would take on RIPs contract (4 years) it would be a gamble, but we would get rid of Maxiells contract as well...if Arnie give his OK i would role the dice with Brand, he's still a 20&10 guy when healthy

The biggest issue with him last season, supposedly, was that he didn't fit what the team was trying to do. Just the word on the street. What does his contract look like?

What does that leave us on the bench? We'd have Brand and Bosh as our bigs, and the only backup we'd have left is Kwame. We'd still have no backup SF, and we'd have AA and Bynum as the backup guards. Would we have any capspace left for bench depth?

I'd prefer to try to move Rip for that Washington pick. Then we can still do the (highly unlikely) Tay/Amir/15 for Bosh and give them the option of Amir or Max in the deal, their choice. We'd probably end up with someone like Haywood in the Washington deal to match salaries, giving us Bosh and Haywood up front and that Wash. pick to get a young stud. Would you rather have Brand or Haywood and Young Stud?

No cap space, but those are 2 35mpg guys who demand the ball. Don't need much.

Until one gets injured or in fould trouble and we're F'ed. You still need a backup wing and you no longer have the #15 to draft one cheap.

And wings are a dime a dozen (Joe not signing one all these years boggles my mind).

A guy out of the development league could handle the role. Surely there is some no defense player, 3 point shooter who is 6'7" or so in the D-League?

Sign that guy to back up Tay.

Maybe it's just me but I'm really tired of 50% effort guys. After watching him against Boston, I wonder if Turkoglu might be one of those. I want guys with motors like Lee or Bosh. That's what this Pistons team should be.

Maybe it's just me but I'm really tired of 50% effort guys.

You may want to follow another sport.

Turk looked pretty good in the pieces that I saw of the Bahston series.

He's been handling the ball a ton.

I told you. He's a much better ball handler than Prince. A better facilitator on offense than Stuckey too. The only issue I have is his defense really, but Prince can't seem to stop Lebron or Pierce anyway.

Let's see how he plays defense against the Cavs.

Tay may actually have value to a Western conference team at least for his ability to guard Kobe or Melo rather than Lebron or Pierce, who he doesn't have success at all. I just wouldn't bank on getting a big for him.

Turk looked pretty good in the pieces that I saw of the Bahston series.

He's been handling the ball a ton.

I'm begining to think they'd want more for him than just Sheed.

He's playing that good right now.

BTW.. he had a good teacher. I went to a couple of practices a million years ago and Peja and him would be way outside the arc and be pumpin them in from all over the place.

I'm begining to think they'd want more for him than just Sheed.

He's playing that good right now.
They may not have a choice, if he wants to leave.

He'd be unrestricted.

Chuck said Turk or the other guy would have to go.

How muc would anyone give Turk as a starting salary?

$8 mil? That's a lot of coin in this market for a swingman.

He's playing like he's worth $8m or more.

I don't care what position he plays if he can ball.

Aren't you the "acquire assets and make trades later" guy?

How long of a contract would you be willing to give him? If you pay him $8mil a year for 5 years, at the end of that deal we'll probably be stuck with a guy making a lot more than he's worth. If it's $8mil a year for 2-3 years then it'd be a solid deal. Move Tay+ for a big man (Bosh, Amare?).


Just to throw the scenario out there, if we signed Turkleglue, traded Rip for Haywood and the pick (we'll say #2 or #4), traded Tay and Amir for a big, here's what we'd be looking at.

PG: #2 (Rubio) or Stuckey/Bynum
SG: #4 (Harden) or Stuckey/AA
SF: Turkoglu/#15
PF: Amare or Bosh/Max
C: Haywood/Kwame

We have Turkoglu for as long as he's still playing like a stud while #15 gets a chance to develop. We'd have Stuckey developing alongside Rubio or Harden. Haywood is still fairly young, as are Amare and Bosh. Max moves back to his bench energy role and we're set with Bynum as our 3rd guard with AA as the bench defender working on his shot. That team is very young and could develop together with the right guidance (I know, I know).

Highly unlikely, but I'd be more than happy with that outcome. Plus, I do believe we'd still have cap room left over, although we'd probably save it to resign whatever big we traded for, plus we'd be looking to resign Haywood and Bynum since they're expiring.

I'd want Turk only if we moved Tay for an elite big. There isn't really another senario I would want him.

Supposing we did a deal with Tay/Amir for the big, I would do the S&T with Sheed/Turk. Then I'd sign Lee to play along side the big we traded for. I would be willing to include #15 if the deal were for Bosh or Amare. I'd also be willing to trade RIP for #2 and Haywood as well, but it's not required.

I'm not sure we'd have the space for Lee with those trades though.

I was thinking about trying to come up with at least one different trade idea a week, but there are so many possibilities, I can't keep up.

GD- it's impossible to post every idea.

I don't go a day without thinking of some other move, or combinations of moves that change the team completely.

As for me being the "acquire assets and trade later guy" that's true - when we're talking about Draftees.

Would you go and spend $8 million on a bench SF when you have a starter making $10 million and when neither of them play SG or PF?

That's crazy, especially when you can get a perfectly capable bench SF for less than $5 million who can also spend time at SG.

I want Joe to spend, but spend wisely. Going crazy and spending stupid money on Boozer or anyone else for that matter would piss me off.

Spread the money around and "get as many assets as we can" moving forward so come the trade deadline we do have a package that could entice Toronto or Phoenix to part with Bosh or Amare.