Ok, I know this may not work but I tried it in espn's trade machine and it worked.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=de23jk

3 team trade with the Pistons, Raptors and Mavericks.

Detroit Trades:
Rip to Dallas
Tay and Maxiel to Toronto

Toronto Trades:
Bosh to Detroit

Dallas Trades:
Howard to Detroit


I don't know if Dallas does this deal, but Josh Howard has been in the dog house the last year. I think we would need to pick up a sharp shooter to fill in for Rip maybe draft Curry? But then we couldn't expect him to just step right in and put up 18/game. For the Center issue, we could maybe go after Kaman or Chandler.

I think a lot depends on the draft lottery as well. If Washington wins it and picks Griffin then they have to clear space to sign him after his rookie contract. Maybe we could steal Jamison?

Ideally I would love to get Chandler and put him next to Bosh. I think they would complement each other well.

Just throwing out ideas b/c I'm bored.

I'd do it. Maybe we could add Hedo if he doesn't get big offers. We could also go Glenn's route and add a PG moving Stuckey over.

If Joe can turn Rip, Tay & Max into Bosh & Howard without touching one dime of the cap space (this deal has $27m going out and $27m coming in) then he really is king.

I thought it was a good trade idea. I love Howard's aggressive offensive mindset and if we can get a legit post Center to put next to Bosh's offensive game then we are in really good shape. Especially if we can snag a good SG in the draft and get a veteran SG to step in Rip's place. Any ideas?

I'd do it. Maybe we could add Hedo if he doesn't get big offers. We could also go Glenn's route and add a PG moving Stuckey over.


What about offering Sessions around 7 million per year and moving Stuckey to SG. Then move Rip to Dallas for Josh Howard. Trade Tay and Max for Bosh. Pick up Chandler. Draft a 3pt shooter and get a veteran to back up Howard.

I say no to Sessions. i said it in another thread, but he's a worse 3P shooter than Stuckey. I'd try and sign Lee or Boozer to pair with Bosh, then draft Lawson.

I liked Salmons at the 2 before he was traded to the Bulls. A lil streaky but not with effort.

Then again, we have Rip and Stuck for the 2.

Bosh + Boozer = championship

Has anyone read that rumor that Washington is possibly looking to get Rip? I read it on mlive I think. The rumor was that Washington would send us their first round pick for Rip. I would do this in a second and grab Thabeet and then pick up Bosh.

^^I would probably do that too, although I might try and get more because I'm greedy.

Why Rip, though? Aren't they looking to shed salary?

On topic: This is essentially two separate deals, Tay and Max for Bosh, and Rip for Howard. I'm doubtful Toronto or Dallas do these deals...

Yeah, if that is a "legit" rumor, then there must be more to it, because as described, it doesn't accomplish what the Wiz's need to accomplish.

Has anyone read that rumor that Washington is possibly looking to get Rip? I read it on mlive I think. The rumor was that Washington would send us their first round pick for Rip. I would do this in a second and grab Thabeet and then pick up Bosh.

I doubt they want to do that. They are already in tax level and RIP makes more than the pick would.

What about:
RIP + Max + a couple 2nd rounders or future 1st

Butler + Washington pick

It would save them money, replace their scoring wing and get them a defensive PF in case Jamison leaves.

Not sure if they'd do it. I would then send Tay and Amir to Toronto for Bosh.

Draft Thabeet with Washington pick and Lawson with our pick.

PG Lawson/Bynum
SG Stuckey/AA
SF Butler/Sharpe
PF Bosh/Dyess
C Kwame/Thabeet

I've read a couple of things that suggest if they get #1 overall that they'll trade Jamison, since they'll have Griffin to take his spot.

Washington can send us a contract or 2 and we have 3 second round picks we could throw one to Toronto and another to Dallas. I'm not saying they would accept the trades, but how sweet would it be.

I would love to get Washington's pick and draft Thabeet. Trade Tay, Max and a second rounder for Bosh. Draft a SF or SG with our 15th pick.

How exactly are we getting Kamen or Chandler if we already traded away Rip, Tay, and Max? Just curious about that.

If Washington is interested in Rip, do you think they're looking to dump Butler? I feel like they'd want Rip so they could be legit contenders, and if they dump Butler and get Rip, they'd have regressed in my mind.

You can have Chandler for a 2nd round pick if you have cap room.

You might even be able to get Chandler + a pick or $3m cash for a 2nd round pick.

Not looking to be a dick here, but why is TOR giving up Bosh (all star big) for Tay (meh) and Max (bad deal)? I know they "don't want to lose him for nothing", but you really think no other team would give up youth or picks or something of better value than an average SF?

The thought on Tay seems to be that if he were given a real backup and made into a #2 scoring option, he'd flourish. Or at least that's the way it's made to seem over the last few years whenever he gets brought up in a trade rumor.

How exactly are we getting Kamen or Chandler if we already traded away Rip, Tay, and Max? Just curious about that.

If Washington is interested in Rip, do you think they're looking to dump Butler? I feel like they'd want Rip so they could be legit contenders, and if they dump Butler and get Rip, they'd have regressed in my mind.

Well, I doubt they can afford Arenas, RIP, Butler, Jamison, Haywood and Thomas.

That's 16 + 11.4 + 9.8 + 11.6 + 6 + 7 = 62 mil without all the role players added in. Not to mention how are we trading them RIP for the pick anyway when they already have 76 mil in salaries? It's not even possible. We'd have to take back Butler, Jamison or Haywood/Thomas and another player.

I'd love to take back Haywood in that (assuming he's back to full health).

If we're moving Stuckey to the 2, what about trying to get Heinrich to play the point? He can handle, shoot, play off the ball when you want it in Stuckey's hands, I think he'd be a solid fit. Maybe I'm biased because I've always been a fan.

I'd love to take back Haywood in that (assuming he's back to full health).

If we're moving Stuckey to the 2, what about trying to get Heinrich to play the point? He can handle, shoot, play off the ball when you want it in Stuckey's hands, I think he'd be a solid fit. Maybe I'm biased because I've always been a fan.

I like Hinrich, but he's got 3 years and 26.5 mill left on his deal. I'd rather start Will Bynum and get about the same production.

Yeah, Hinrich is waaay overpaid.

Yeah, Hinrich is waaay overpaid.

He's overpaid, but his contract gets better over time:

2009/10: $9.5 mil
2010/11: $9 mil
2011/12: $8 mil

So next year he'll make the same money Tay does now, and it goes down from there.

He's really not a bad value IMO. He should probably be a 6-7 mil a year player, but he's not horribly overpriced either.

It's nice that it goes down each year, but if the Bulls could have moved him in the past year+ they would have jumped on it. They've tried hard to do so without success.

I have to agree. I've been following him since he was at Kansas and I think Hinrich is a very good and underrated pg. He can give you 15 pts and 6 assists a game easily as he has done before this yr. He is also a very good defender and besides his thumb injury this yr. he has been healthy. He shoots in the high 30% range from 3 and is an 84% free throw shooter. I think we can get him from the Bulls or maybe get another team involved and then swap players to get Hinrich. He only makes 9.5 mill., 9 mill. and 8 mill. in his last 3 yrs of his contract. Not sure what we could offer Chicago but I would love to see Hinrich in a Pistons uniform.

It's nice that it goes down each year, but if the Bulls could have moved him in the past year+ they would have jumped on it. They've tried hard to do so without success.

Well, I imagine his contract was even more before, thus less enticing. Also, there is a big difference between a few years left and 5 years left.

Also, you don't know what they may have wanted. They may have demanded a starting caliber player at another position, but now that Rose has established himself perhaps their demands are pretty low.

I agree that Washington parting with the pick for Rip seems unlikely. That said, it would fit their cap desires if they sent us Deshawn Stevenson, Mike James, and either Etan Thomas or Brendan Haywood along with their pick for Rip. If they can't move any of their big money players, I think a roster of Arenas, Rip, Caron, and Jamison has as much chance as anyone else in the East to lose to Cleveland in 5. They would keep their team youth, as 4 players have TO's they would claim the following season.

I am not sold on Thabeet really. Hell looking at their roster, Sac might even rather have Rubio and trade the #1 for #2 and 15. The number two can be parlayed into a million things, and our cap position actually gets better with 2 more big expiring deals.