Predict where Dice plays next year

I think he'll be back. As long as Joe get a legit big man to play next to him, he'll sign a one year deal and Joe will go after Bosh next year.

How come "my pants" isn't an option?

Anywhere but Detroit. He looked pretty disheartened after Game 4. Joe screws up yet another thing this season. Best of luck to ya Dice. Joe D.....you suck, Jackass!!

How come "my pants" isn't an option?

Wait, you want Dice playing in your pants?????

He lives in Houston, and with Yao, they'll have a shot to contend, especially if they can trade TMac's expiring deal to someone.

I wonder if Dice would be more or less likely to go there if Artest leaves?

Dice is a hard-working man committed to excellence. Who wouldn't want Dice playing in their pants?

I think he'll join the Rockets. They need a hard working backup big like Dice who can stretch the floor and board. Plus, it's his hometown.........and you know how that goes.

man, that's weird

Yeah....

Somebody can do a similar thread for Sheed if they want to.

It's probably the same list of teams (maybe plus the Knicks, Suns (S&T?), Philly, NJ, well, nevermind...)

He lives in Houston, and with Yao, they'll have a shot to contend, especially if they can trade TMac's expiring deal to someone.

I wonder if Dice would be more or less likely to go there if Artest leaves?

They wouldn't get rid of Artest. They'd probably give tmac away for a bag of peanuts though and move Artest to SF full time (with Dyess there).

They wouldn't get rid of Artest. They'd probably give tmac away for a bag of peanuts though and move Artest to SF full time (with Dyess there).

UFA

sheed will be in dallas and dice will be in houston. that's my guess....

Honestly I wouldn't even care if Dice joined Boston or Cleveland to get a championship. I can honestly say as a Pistons fan I feel so bad that he joined our team in 05 and we lost to SA in the finals. Dyess plays with more heart than anyone in the NBA sans KG and a few others. He went out in style scoring 26 vs the Cavs when Sheed, Rip, Tay mailed it in. I just want him to get a ring, he deserves it after his knee surgeries and anyone that hates on him if he goes to Boston, or Cleveland, Houston or wherever is not really a true Pistons fan IMO. I wish he would have stayed in Denver with Chauncey, he could have helped solidify that team even more.

not sure how i'd feel about those teams winning it all- i hate most any team except us winning.

but i get what you're saying- there is nobody in the nba more deserving of a ring than dice. i love the guy and wish we could turn back the clock on his career. he is one of the most underappreciated players in a long time.

I'm gonna say Portland. They really need a veteran post player to get out of the first round. With the addition of Dice and a guy like Hinrich, Portland could be the #2 team in the west next season.

umichjenks & higherwarrior, I couldn't agree more. I hate guys that hunt for a ring... I won't hate on Dice going to any team as long as he contributes with a solid role in winning that ring. We all know he can.

kdawg... the problem with Portland is, he doesn't need to go to a team on the upswing that with his help could be the second best team in half of the NBA. He's had a better chance here the last few years. If he wants to sign for a real shot at the ice, he'll go somewhere else.

Portland could really use a guy like Dice though.

What if Dice stayed in Denver after the Billups trade...would've been interesting to see how much Denver would be.

not saying he goes to denver but yeah

I agree that he doesn't NEED to go to a team on the upswing but I don't think it would be a bad move. A lot of people are picking Portland to be a serious contender within 2-3 years. Adding a guy like McDyess would put them into the upper tier of teams next season. The reason they lost to Houston was because their bench failed them. Oden and Przybilla got into foul trouble guarding Yao and Channing Frye wasn't good enough to play big minutes. Adding McDyess would not only give them valuable experience, but it would also give them more weapons off the bench. A rotation of Aldridge, Przybilla, McDyess, Oden would prob be the best frontcourt rotation in the league. And given the fact that the Lakers haven't won a game in Portland in 4 years, it might be enough for the Blazers to beat the Lakers in a 7 game series.

If Portland can bring in a veteran PG like Andre Miller or Kirk Hinrich, I could definitely see McDyess considering the Blazers but I agree with the idea that Boston or Cleveland is the best case scenario for him.

Somebody can do a similar thread for Sheed if they want to.

It's probably the same list of teams (maybe plus the Knicks, Suns (S&T?), Philly, NJ, well, nevermind...)

If the Pistons are on that list it should be summarily swatted.

Portland could really use a guy like Dice though.

What if Dice stayed in Denver after the Billups trade...would've been interesting to see how much Denver would be.

not saying he goes to denver but yeah
He screwed Phoenix to stay in Denver. He used to like it there.

I honestly think the reason he's committed to the Pistons is because of Kander and our working with him through his knee injuries.

I came to this thread specifically to mention Arnie Kander. Dammit, Mxy!

Joe has always rewarded his guys.

I'll always remember Cliff Robinson got an extension I thought he didn't deserve (after he bombed in the playoffs) and was then traded for an expiring contract.

Dice should get a 1 year $4 million deal from Joe. At that price I think Dice takes it, content in the knowledge he's had a pretty good career, he's respected by his peers and most NBA fans.

Not everyone wins a ring. Stockton didn't and he didn't jump ship to try and get one. He's more respected for that.

Malone and Payton didn't win a ring, but they jumped ship to try and win one and I have less respect for them because of it.

Your career should not be defined by a piece of jewelry. Your career should be defined by how you conduct yourself on and off the floor, reagrdless of wins and losses.

but i'm willing to bet he'll go to a competitive team- something which we are NOT. and even with a great offseason, it is not likely we'll be a contender in 2010 any sense of the word.

i agree that a ring is not everything. but i have a hard time imagining dice choosing to re-sign with a team who will struggle to get out of the 1st round, when he'll have plenty of offers from playoff teams. i wouldn't even be mad at him for 'chasing a ring'. he wants to at least have a shot at it and while he's had some great times in detroit and feels a lot of loyalty, i don't see a guy his age coming back out of sheer loyalty. he's got plenty of that and has shown it all his career. but he also has a great desire to achieve the personal goal of winning a title. and he won't get it in detroit.

i think he's a goner for sure. but stranger things have happened....

If he leaves and gets to play on a better team then I'll pray his new team wins the whole thing.

It's not like he's gonna be riding the pine - he'll have a big role on whatever team he plays for.

agreed. he is still one hell of a player. i wish he were 10 years younger.

Hell, I wish he was 3 years younger.

His production these last few years has been awesome

unheard of in fact, when you consider what his body has been through. he is the most underrated role player in the nba today.

I don't think he is underrated by anybody who knows a damn thing about the NBA. I don't think he will stay here either. I wouldn't call it chasing a ring at this point, because he is perfectly capable of playing a major role for a team that wins it all. He was putting up 20 and 15 for a stretch here this season. It's chasing when you get 8 minutes, 2.4 points and 1.1 rebounds a game.

yeah i guess i just mean that if you ask most sportswriters or fans, they would hardly even know he's still in the league or they'd think he's just playing a small role in detroit. they'd have no idea exactly how impressive his play is and exactly what he is/was doing in detroit.

when a guy is underrated, he's typically underrated by people who don't know much about basketball- and that, IMO, is the majority of sportswriters, commentators, and fans in general. that's most people actually, so that is why i say he's underrated because most people probably underrate him.

Looks like Keith has been browsing WTF again.


Dice and Sheed likely looking at same suitors

Where might Rasheed Wallace and Antonio McDyess wind up next season, assuming both still want to play and, for the sake of argument, assuming Detroit is no longer an option?

That’s not a closing of the door for their time in Pistons uniforms, by the way. While it’s pretty unlikely both would be back, it’s not out of the question that one of them would – McDyess the likelier of the two.

But back to the premise: If not Detroit, where?

The sure thing is that there will be a market for both, despite the prospect that not many more than five teams will have money to spend under the salary cap beyond their mid-level exception. The MLE is the device that allows teams over the cap to acquire free agents, but they can’t spend more than the league average salary, which for last season was set at $5.585 million and figures to be slightly less next season.

If the reports earlier this week claiming Wallace would retire rather than settle for anything less than $8 million are true, chances are pretty good he won’t play next season.

If it proves false, then Wallace and McDyess are essentially looking at the same slate of suitors – teams on the short list of NBA title contenders looking for a veteran who can start if needed but, more likely, provide a huge boost coming off the bench.

Ideally, since both will be 35 when next season starts, Wallace and McDyess are at that stage of their careers where they would be best served and most effective playing about half the game.

Let’s look at the teams that fit the profile and figure to be willing to spend the MLE to land one or the other:


Boston – The Celtics have to feel great urgency this summer to bolster their bench for perhaps their last great shot at a title in 2010 as Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all begin to push the envelope on age. Mikki Moore didn’t cut it this year and Leon Powe will be coming off his third ACL surgery heading into next season. Either Wallace or McDyess would be a great fit for the Celtics.



Cleveland – The Cavs probably aren’t going to be interested in anything more than a one-year deal, but McDyess is on record as saying that’s probably all he wants to play, anyway. If Wallace decides to play for less than $8 million, he’ll probably be looking for a two-year deal, which could mess with Cleveland’s blueprint to pursue another marquee free agent that summer to pair with LeBron James. The face-up perimeter games of both players mesh nicely with Cleveland’s desire to spread the floor to open the lane for James.



Houston – The Rockets will be looking for somebody to fill the Dikembe Mutombo role. McDyess makes his off-season home in Houston and would fit in ideally with the Rockets, backing up Yao Ming at times and playing alongside of him at others. A native of the Deep South, McDyess has played practically everywhere but there in his NBA career. Finishing it up at home figures to hold deep appeal.



San Antonio – Much the same motivation as Boston – Tim Duncan isn’t getting any younger and neither is Manu Ginobili, who in addition to having durability issues comes up on free agency in 2010. Having either Wallace or McDyess available for 25 minutes a game, pairing one with Duncan in the last eight minutes, would be highly appealing to the Spurs.



Orlando – There probably isn’t a team in the league more appreciative of the abilities at both ends of the floor than Orlando, which has seen Wallace and McDyess contain Dwight Howard about as well as anyone in the league – both while playing him straight up. Wallace might be especially appealing to the Magic because of Orlando’s predilection for the 3-point shot. If Orlando loses Hedo Turkoglu to free agency – the Magic might not be able to keep him due to luxury-tax issues – signing Wallace or McDyess would allow the Magic to play Rashard Lewis at small forward.



LA Lakers – There’s a decent chance the Lakers will lose Lamar Odom to free agency this summer. Assuming that’s the case, either Wallace or McDyess would be ideal replacements whose versatility would satisfy the demands of Phil Jackson’s triangle offense.

Looks like Keith has been browsing WTF again.

Especially the Orlando one. I've been making that point for a while (that they can slide Rashard back to the 3 and not play their soft style that won't win them any titles).

:stein:

From the veterans' committee, as stated here previously, Rasheed Wallace is said to have interest in both Dallas and San Antonio as a free-agent destination.

If you could choose where would you play: Dallas or San Antonio?

Who is closer to a title (in Sheed's opinion)?
Which city would suit you (Sheed) best?
Who do you (Sheed) wanna play for: Pop or Prick?

I feel like Sheed would be a hell of a lot better off in SA.

SA is closer to a title with a Sheed addition. Parker running the point, Nose flopping on defense, Duncan manning the post and then add Sheed's offensive diversity helping clear out the lane for Duncan or getting open 3's (plus going down low once a month), his post defense, and the fact that he has great fundamentals/passing when he's motivated.

Sheed loved LB and Pop is much closer to LB than Carlisle. If anyone's getting the best from Sheed, its him.

In Dallas, they already have the roaming big man in Dirk. What would they do with another one?

Which team has 8 million dollars.

Question answered.

Which team has 8 million dollars.

Question answered.

PORTLAND!

More "Sheed to the Cavs" stuff out there today.

More "Sheed to the Cavs" stuff out there today.

Lebron would wear down even faster with Sheed floating out there all game.

I kinda hope he goes either there or San Antonio.

He'd be a good fit in SA. with TP and Manu driving and drawing doubles he'd see lots of open threes. He'd also save TD from some wear and tear on defense.

Sheed- Cleveland
Dice - Boston

It pains me to say this, but if Dice plays in Boston next year, I hope the Celtics win the Championship.

The only place I won't root for Dice would be Cleveland. And even if they won it, it would make it a whole lot less painful seeing McDyess with a ring.

I think Sheed goes to SA before he goes to Cleveland.

I think Sheed gets stoned before he signs anywhere.

Oops, too late. Dude is likely stoned as I type this.

Medicinal purposes, your Honour.

My neck, my back, my crack motherfucker

Sheed to Boston?

http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/6/29/929897/rumor-sheed-to-boston

And I still think Houston is a good possibility for Dice, maybe even moreso now with Yao's injury.

Ric Bucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher): KG pleas have worked - Bos is on Sheed's list w/Dal, Orl, SA. Don't count out Lakers, either

Ric Bucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher): KG pleas have worked - Bos is on Sheed's list w/Dal, Orl, SA. Don't count out Lakers, either

Well.... Sheed's recent MO is to push a team over the edge, and in to a ring. What he does after that is another story.

^ Thats right. Disagree and you are going to have a Pit Bull on your ass.

Ric Bucher (http://twitter.com/RicBucher): KG pleas have worked - Bos is on Sheed's list w/Dal, Orl, SA. Don't count out Lakers, either

The same Lakers that are probably going to win the next 10 NBA Championships? I'm not the most faithful person, but I have enough in order to believe that won't happen.

According to Andy Miller, agent for Tyronne Lue - a reserve guard for Orlando who is close to Garnett - and forward Antonio McDyess, Ainge has expressed interest in both players (Dice and Sheed). McDyess was expected to return to the Pistons, but began checking other options because Detroit signed Charlie Villanueva, who agreed in principle to a contract yesterday, according to the Associated Press.

Adrian Wojnarowski (http://twitter.com/YahooSportsNBA): Detroit likely needs to make one more roster move to clear the money to re-sign free agent Antonio McDyess

So the aging bastard wants more than $4 million?

I love the guy and want him on board (especially given our circumstances) but how much does he want?

The guy was awesome last season but he isn't getting any younger.

He sacrificed a lot to stay on the team.
I wouldn't dig into his shit too much.
If the numbers I'm hearing are right, we may not have even $4 million.

What numbers you hearing? I searched everywhere for the cap figure but all I got was last seasons'.

And I understand Dice's position - it's too much to expect him to sacrifice cash again for a playoff loss but damn it would be nice to get him back here with our remaining space.

Dude should sign with LA for the minimum and get his ring.

What can Dice get from a team like the Spurs or the Celtics (if Sheed doesn't go there)?

Can he get the full MLE?

Because if he can, and he still comes back here for the remaining ~$3m of cap room that we have left, then they might as well retire his jersey right now.

I wonder if he's hanging out to see who Joe selects as the coach? Is he even visiting anywhere else?

Sheed in green: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4307834

Sheed in green: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4307834

Holy shit!

Now I can go back to hatin on Sheed and the Celts even more.

I know some of y'all never liked him, but he brought some hilarity to a team.

alsoishilarityaword

Sheed in green: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4307834
oh snap the return of Matt.

oh snap the return of Matt.

Back with a bang!

Apparently the next on celtic loading list is Grant Hill

I guess if he wants to except the LLE, because thats all they have.

^^He's apparently definitely going to be a Celtic.

if we traded prince, hill would make a lot of sense for us for a year. but he's going to a contender of course, so we're out of the equation.

Everyone is going to a contender for the MLE.

Well, everyone except Ariza (his agent is a moron) and Turkoglu (chasing money cause he's weak)

I thought Ariza signed with Houston because he'd be likely to get minutes. He already has a ring, so he's looking to play. Especially with TMac on his team, I envision Ariza starting a lot of games.

who did Dice consider last season when he was bought out of his contract in Denver? i think he will be a Cav now that Sheed did go to Boston...

I thought Ariza signed with Houston because he'd be likely to get minutes. He already has a ring, so he's looking to play. Especially with TMac on his team, I envision Ariza starting a lot of games.

He started and played in LA.

I believe he went to Houston cause:

A) His agent was asking for more than the MLE but...

B) The Lakers got Artest for the MLE

If the Lakers didn't get Artest I bet Ariza would have eventually stayed in LA and "settled" for the full MLE.

Lakers got lucky. They made an offer to a role player and he refused so they got a "star" for the same price.

Please, no. Just no.


Free-agent buzz: McDyess eyes Spurs

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

The San Antonio Spurs have emerged as the leader in the courtship of free agent forward Antonio McDyess, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

San Antonio is one of three teams offering the full mid-level exception over two years, sources said. No deal is imminent, but it’s believed McDyess has offers from the Orlando Magic and possibly the Cleveland Cavaliers.

McDyess is considered one of the best unrestricted free agents on the market, and could complete a terrific offseason makeover for the Spurs as they retool for another championship run.

Detroit president Joe Dumars still wants to re-sign McDyess, but needs to clear more space to make a competitive offer.

McDyess, 34, averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds for the Pistons last season.

he can start and has a good chance to win a chip, plus its better than Cavs or some other lame club, i want him to go to the Spurs! IF he wont resign here..

Would they be less DONE?

Parker
Manu
?? (I don't remember who replaced Bowen)
Dyess
Duncan

Would they be less DONE?

Parker
Manu
?? (I don't remember who replaced Bowen)
Dyess
Duncan

Uh, RJ.

Sorry, I tried to ask him what his name was, but he couldn't hear me for some reason...

I love Dice and all, but if he goes there, it's time for the knee to finally blow again.

Kidding.

GD - even if they won you'd still be right.

The CORE of Duncan, Parker and Manu ARE done!

It's been substantially changed so you're in the clear.

Not true.

I claim that the core of Manu, Duncan and Parker won't win another title together.

I'm not right until one of them is traded, leaves via FA or retires, and I'm not wrong unless the three of them win another ring together.

Stop trying to change my proclamation!

Glenn has been fairly clear and consistent on that one, even after being given quite a few outs. He's either going to have a great big "I told you so" in 2-3 years or we'll all get to rub it in his face.

It will not be great or big. Odds were well in his favor.

Not true.

I claim that the core of Manu, Duncan and Parker won't win another title together.

I'm not right until one of them is traded, leaves via FA or retires, and I'm not wrong unless the three of them win another ring together.

Stop trying to change my proclamation!

Just trying to give you an out, but whatever man.

It's a simple prediction - only 1 team per season wins the title.

It's not like you're predicting they won't make the playoffs a season and a half ahead of time.

Come on, it's not really sticking your neck out to predict that the Spurs won't win another championship with Duncan in the mix. Big men age like Russian women. 34=20, 35=60.

Come on, it's not really sticking your neck out to predict that the Spurs won't win another championship with Duncan in the mix. Big men age like Russian women. 34=20, 35=60.

True, but then why did so many disagree with me back then and even still now?

Can't have it both ways. No wonder people rarely make a stand around here, death by nitpick, lol.

Zekyl, you don't remember the whole volcanoes thing? That's what it was about. When we finally got Glan to nail down what he was saying it turned out to be such a weak "proclamation" that the entire thread became a bad joke.

True, but then why did so many disagree with me back then and even still now?

.

Because we didn't realize your proclamation was so limited as to demand titles. As for now, I pick the Spurs to win it every year, not sure of others.

True, but then why did so many disagree with me back then and even still now?

Can't have it both ways. No wonder people rarely make a stand around here, death by nitpick, lol.

And if they don't nitpick you to death they'll just keep bringing it up and throwing it your face no matter what.

Gotta love WTF!

That's why you make the prediction, you either get skewered or you get the glory.

I love it when someone goes bold, right or wrong.

Your proclamation wasn't bold.

Yet people still think I'm wrong after all this time. And I might be.

Your proclamation wasn't bold.


I presumed that was a troll.

If we're going to do this again, let's do it in the original thread so it can stay pure.

I'll be out for a while this morning but will be back this afternoon, just in case you think I'm dodging.

I'll clear my schedule for you if I need to, lol.

That's why you make the prediction, you either get skewered or you get the glory.

I love it when someone goes bold, right or wrong.

Bold - like me predicting the Magic wouldn't make the playoffs the season after the Darko deal IN THE TRADE THREAD?

Unlike you - predicting no more titles for the Spurs trio

That Magic thread is one of my favorites ever.

Love that you did that.

True, but then why did so many disagree with me back then and even still now?

Can't have it both ways. No wonder people rarely make a stand around here, death by nitpick, lol.
Didn't Bertrand Russell say something about how the problem with the world is that the most aware are the least confident?

Did he post on sports message boards?

Without strong opinions, this thing dies on the vine.

And here I was thinking you loved to bring it back and shove in my face cause I was wrong.

You know the best things of that whole thread?

IIRC it went on and on for months and months and then it died until the Magic were in danger of missing the playoffs. Then someone posts something like "Pharoah could be right".

LMAO - I made the prediction so far out even I'm amazed it almost came true. The had an entire off-season and up until the next trade deadline to improve...

and still almost missed the playoffs. That organisation is crap. If they weren't so lucky on Draft Days they'd be the Clips.

And the fact that they barely made the playoffs (8th seed) and got smashed by us (again IIRC) was icing on the cake.

Did he post on sports message boards?




Not unless contriving teapots is a sport.

And here I was thinking you loved to bring it back and shove in my face cause I was wrong.

Oh, I do love that part, too. But I love that you even made it possible.

I expect the same treatment, btw.

LMAO - I bet in real life you're not really a prick.

when's our 10-year anniversary?

This was news to me, RE: Sheed's contract


Celtics Rasheed Wallace signed unrestricted free agent to a 3-year, $18.9M contract (third year is player option)

Dice got the same exact contract from the Spurs, fwiw.

I love Dice and all, but if he goes there, it's time for the knee to finally blow again.

Kidding.

My buddy hated one of his professors in undergrad. Told me he was the first teacher he'd ever had that he wished would just die.

No more than a week later, he goes into class and there's no professor. Some people leave after 10 minutes some stay. About 20 minutes into class someone comes into the room and tells everyone to go home but come back next class session. Dude had died the day of the class.

My buddy hated one of his professors in undergrad. Told me he was the first teacher he'd ever had that he wished would just die.

No more than a week later, he goes into class and there's no professor. Some people leave after 10 minutes some stay. About 20 minutes into class someone comes into the room and tells everyone to go home but come back next class session. Dude had died the day of the class.

If he later said he was kidding in white, it's ok..