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Glenn
04-27-2009, 09:38 PM
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State of the Pistons

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

Chris McCosky takes a look at the Pistons roster by contract situation, a comment on the players' plusses and minuses and their futures with the franchise:


Arron Afflalo

Contract: Through 2010-11 ($1.086 million next season, team option for $1.9 million in 2010-11)

Comment: Solidified himself as a reliable role player. Team was 17-8 when he played at least 20 minutes during the regular season. One of the fiercest competitors, but he has to continue to develop his offense.

Future: Returning


Kwame Brown

Contract: Through 2009-10 (player option for $4.1 million for next season)

Comment: He came on toward the end of the season. When he's active and engaged, he provides the interior presence the Pistons have lacked. He is undecided about picking up his option, and how hard the Pistons push to keep him will depend on what other big men they attract.

Future: Likely returning


Will Bynum

Contract: Through 2009-10 (team option for $825,497 next season)

Comment: One of the few highlights in a dismal season. Most likely, the Pistons will try to work out an extension to reward him and keep him beyond next season. But make no mistake, Bynum is a backup, change-of-pace point guard, not a starter.

Future: Returning


Richard Hamilton

Contract: Through 2012-13 ($11.3 million next year)

Comment: Emotionally and physically, this was the worst season of his career, and it came after he signed a $35 million extension. It's clear he needs a stable offense run by a stable point guard to be effective. The Pistons had neither. He's not untouchable, but his contract and his erratic play will make him hard to trade.

Future: Likely returning


Walter Herrmann

Contract: Expired (free agent July 1)

Comment: The Pistons gave him several opportunities to stay in the rotation, but he never produced with any consistency. He plays hard, but he doesn't defend or rebound well enough to stay on the floor if his shot isn't falling.

Future: Gone


Allen Iverson

Contract: Expired (free agent July 1)

Comment: An abject disaster. His skills at 33 were greatly diminished, though he still thought of himself as a 30-point-a-night scorer. He never found a rhythm in Michael Curry's system and never established any chemistry. His gift always was his $21.9 million expiring contract.

Future: Gone


Amir Johnson

Contract: Through 2009-10 ($3.66 million next season)

Comment: He was handed the starting power forward position at the start of the season, and he couldn't hang on to it. He continues to make the same mistakes -- silly fouls, mental lapses -- and he still isn't strong enough to hold his position most nights on the block. Time to face facts, this is an end of the bench role player, one who might be used in a trade this summer.

Future: Likely gone


Jason Maxiell

Contract: Through 2012-13 ($4 million next season)

Comment: A season of stunted growth. He seemed to be in Michael Curry's doghouse much of the season. He still struggles on the defensive boards, and his offensive game took a step backward. Having signed a four-year extension at the start of the season, he might be tough to move, though many teams covet his energy and physicality.

Future: Likely returning


Antonio McDyess

Contract: Expired (free agent July 1)

Comment: He could be playing for the Cavaliers or Celtics right now, but he stayed loyal to the Pistons. At times he seemed like the only player who cared. Now, even though the Pistons want to re-sign him (they do not own his Bird rights), it's time McDyess was loyal to himself. He's going to be a hot ticket this summer, and he deserves one more shot at winning a title.

Future: Gone


Tayshaun Prince

Contract: Through 2010-11 ($21.8 million remaining)

Comment: For the Pistons to win in the East, they must contain small forwards like of Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Caron Butler, Danny Granger and Andre Iguodala. Prince has increasingly struggled to do that. For all his versatility and durability, Prince functions best as a fourth option. The Pistons going forward are going to need a stronger presence at that position, thus probably will seek trade options with Prince.

Future: Likely gone


Walter Sharpe

Contract: Through 2009-10 ($736,420)

Comment: This is one low-risk pick that isn't panning out. Sharpe, whether it was due to illness (he's narcoleptic) or immaturity, was late to or missed way too many busses, planes and practices. His game is below a D-League level right now, and it's hard to see any upside. Don't see why they use a roster spot on him next season.

Future: Gone


Rodney Stuckey

Contract: Through 2010-11 ($1.8 million next season, team option for $2.76 million)

Comment: Thrown into the breach in his first full season, Stuckey endured the predictable ups and downs. Problem is, as a point guard, his ups and downs had a direct impact on the team's lack of consistency. He needs to develop some consistency, with his perimeter shooting and his ability to finish at the basket.

Future: Returning


Rasheed Wallace

Contract: Expired (free agent July 1)

Comment: It was a wild six-year ride. There were unbelievable highs (2004) and head-slapping lows (playoff meltdowns 2006, 2007, 2008). But it's over. He's 34, and his legs are about gone and his production no longer warrants putting up with the inevitable distractions.

Future: Gone

Glenn
04-27-2009, 09:40 PM
McCosky is such a joke. Where was all the reporting on Walter Sharpe's team issues during the season? Why do you have to hold that until it's "safe".

What a fucking company man.

Apologies to my CWPF and colleague if he actually reported that stuff earlier, but I doubt it.

Glenn
04-27-2009, 09:42 PM
So if you take out the "gones" and "likely gones" from McCosky's list, you have a remaining core of:

Afflalo
Kwame
Bynum
Rip
Max
Stuckey

Kstat
04-27-2009, 09:44 PM
would not shock me to see rip traded and stuckey moved to the 2.

Uncle Mxy
04-27-2009, 10:25 PM
Rip's "erratic play", McCoskey says?

Career #s: 18 ppg, 45% FG, 85% FT
This season: 18 ppg, 45% FG, 85% FT

Uhh... yeah.
He's no more erratic than any other season we've had him.

Tahoe
04-27-2009, 10:52 PM
Tay and AJ likely gone?

I guess this thing really is over. Sad.

mercury
04-28-2009, 12:16 AM
would not shock me to see rip traded and stuckey moved to the 2.
Interesting possibility.
If we addressed the bigs situation via trades & F.A.s it might be a nice option to have another ankle breaker at SG...
However it would diminish the size advantage Stuck gives us at the 1.
The draft is certainly better at PG than at the 5 spot... Hmmm

Uncle Mxy
04-28-2009, 07:02 AM
Comment: For the Pistons to win in the East, they must contain small forwards like of Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Caron Butler, Danny Granger and Andre Iguodala. Prince has increasingly struggled to do that.
I'm pretty sure that Granger, Butler, and Iggy were held to under 40% shooting half the time against Prince and it's not Prince putting them at the line. There aren't many defensive options that have a hope against LeBron. Recalling the Jordan Rules, Dumars led an honest effort, but he surely wasn't alone, and Jordan still got his a lot.

Glenn
04-28-2009, 08:38 AM
Rip + Amir + a pick or two (even #15 if need be, that would just provide more cap room)

for

Chris Bosh

Then

Sign Andre Miller and either trade Tay for a SF that can defend and shoot threes (s&t for Marion is still something I'm interested in) or acquire one via another trade or FA. Then re-sign Dice. Kwame for Chandler.

Miller/Bynum
Stuckey/Afflalo
Tay, Marion or other new starting SF
Bosh/Dice/Max
Chandler/Bosh/Dice/FA?

That's something I could get more excited about.

Pharaoh
04-28-2009, 09:21 AM
I don't think that trying to move Tay means that we are unhappy with his D or are looking to "upgrade" the SF position. What I would like to do is move him for a big that can really help us and then sign a reasonable SF in free agency.

You guys have said it all: Lebron and Pierce can't be stopped by one guy.

What we need is a guy that can knock down some shots, play reasonable D and not get completely blown off the floor defensively against the elite SF's.

Surely a reasonable SF isn't gonna cost $10 million?

Surely Tay is still a popular target of other GM's, since they all know he's hurt and know what he has done year in and year out for us. Who wouldn't want him? (apparently me lol)

I don't want to dump him just because he had a shit series. I just think he's a valauble trade chip to dangle and we could likely score a quality big by dealing him.

Talented swingmen are easier to find than talented big men, right?

Pharaoh
04-28-2009, 09:26 AM
Marion and Miller are not guys I have in mind Glenn.

I'm thinking younger guys.

Guys who may have bounced around the league a bit.

Joe likes those hard luck stories.

Maybe he can catch lightning in a bottle again?

Glenn
04-28-2009, 10:24 AM
I'm looking for guys with LEADERSHIP and a solid 5 years of championship level basketball left in them, along with an infusion of youth to help take over when the vets start to decline.

Running out a roster full of youngins makes you, well, the 2008/09 Trailblazers.

A fun team to watch, to be sure, but are they going to win a ring this year?

WTFchris
04-28-2009, 10:36 AM
I'd like to get a defensive center (Chandler, Kamen, Okefor, etc) that is making more than a team is willing to pay and pair them with a PF that has a decent skill set (Lee, Boozer, Bosh). I'm willing to give up RIP or Tay to do that (along with Amir, Max and Kwame).

I'd then draft Ty Lawson and move Stuckey to SG.

That's my thoughts. I agree that I'm not really interested in Miller or Marion because their salaries prevent us from getting solid big men, which should be our primary goal.

WTFchris
04-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Running out a roster full of youngins makes you, well, the 2008/09 Trailblazers.

A fun team to watch, to be sure, but are they going to win a ring this year?

No, but outside the Lakers (and the Cavs if they seriously think Lebron is staying)...what GM wouldn't swap their entire team for the Trailblazers right now?

Nobody. Outside the two teams I mentioned, every GM would rather have the Trailblazers right now. They may never win a title (after the Lakers got lucky with Gasol), but they are in a great position. They'll be good a long time, and there is no reason they can't beat the Lakers either (I just wouldn't bet on it).

Glenn
04-28-2009, 10:44 AM
Maybe that wasn't a very good example since they hit home runs in the draft with Roy and Aldridge and we haven't (and won't) be doing that.

Just imagine Kevin Durant on that team.

WTFchris
04-28-2009, 10:48 AM
well, surely Durant is a better player than Oden. Still, even with that 'miss' they are in better shape than all but two teams IMO.

A better example might have been the Bulls when they had Chandler, Curry, Crawford, etc. They were young and talented and did nothing.

However, we'd still have a couple vets on this team either way that have been there and won. The Baby Bulls did not have that.

Pharaoh
04-29-2009, 01:29 AM
Sorry GD - I agree with Chris.

Here is something I've been thinking about for 5 seconds:

Trade our first round pick for cash
Trade Prince for David West
Sign Boozer to a starting salary of $9 million
Sign Ben Gordon to a starting salary of $7 million
Sign Dice for 1 year for $4 million
Trade Rip for a starting small forward

C: Boozer/West/Kwame/Dice/Amir
F: Boozer/West/Maxiell/Dice/Amir
F: Whoever we got for Rip/Our Second Rounders
G: Gordon/Afflalo/Stuckey
G: Stuckey/Bynum/Gordon

I'm not sold on it, but I'll throw it out there

Cross
04-29-2009, 05:05 AM
We need a pure traditional point guard imo. That team would be money, but there just wouldn't be enough shots all around imo unless the small forward is a Battier type player.

Hermy
04-29-2009, 06:33 AM
You starting SF has better be named Smith N. Wesson, cause there aint any other way you're stopping any opponents.