first question asked when a qb gets drafted.

rushing a qb can ruin him, especially when hes gonna get sacked 52 times. i think that was the case with joey.

but part of the reason we drafted him was his demeanor, so he should be able to handle getting roughed up. imo, he should start as soon as hes better than daunte culpepper, which should be game one.

thoughts?

I think they'll try to hold back, but the fans will want to see him.

There's potential to let the bonuses that he won't earn unless he plays right away to become a problem between him and the team/coach.

2010. He'll be lucky to get any regular season snaps this year (assuming Culpepper is healthy).
The only way he sees the field this year is if Culpepper is extreme.

If he's extremely bad, Schwartz might have difficulty resisting the temptation to play Stafford, especially if Stafford looks to be progressing well in practices.

If Culpepper is extremely good (this is never going to happen) and the Lions blow some people out, Stafford might get some 4th quarter time.

I would put the over/under on 40 snaps for Stafford this season. But I would then give him a 75% chance of being the starter for 2010. Probably the only way he doesn't start in 2010 is if Culpepper plays fairly well this year and Stafford really struggles in practice. Then the team might try to resign Culpepper to an extension.

I think they'll try to hold back, but the fans will want to see him.

There's potential to let the bonuses that he won't earn unless he plays right away to become a problem between him and the team/coach.

agreed with the first part. but if this isnt a popular pick, the best way to boost his popularity would be to keep him as the backup.

as for preventing him from getting the bonus, thats a pretty prickly proposition. guys are pretty sensitive about that. i dont think you want to fuck with your #1 pick and have him disgruntled right off the bat... let him get jaded after years, not instantly. plus it would only further diminish the lions' reputation in the league, if thats possible.

first question asked when a qb gets drafted.

rushing a qb can ruin him, especially when hes gonna get sacked 52 times. i think that was the case with joey.

but part of the reason we drafted him was his demeanor, so he should be able to handle getting roughed up. imo, he should start as soon as hes better than daunte culpepper, which should be game one.

thoughts?

Oddly enough, Joey wasn't sacked nearly as much as Kitna and others since Joey. In 4 seasons with the Lions, Joey was sacked 77 times (though 60 of those were the last 2 seasons). Meanwhile, the 52 sacks given up last season were the lowest total in 3 years. The Lions gave up 63 in 06 and 54 in 07. I think part of that number that is deceiving is that Joey threw the ball away a lot but still got knocked to the ground, whereas Kitna was incapable of saving the team from the lost yardage by throwing it away.

It just depends on how successful a training camp he has. If he dazzles, we'll see him at some point. If he struggles a lil bit, we won't, unless Cpep gets hurt.

If we can run the ball, it'll take pressure off the QB. If we can run the ball, the chances of seeing Staf goes up too, imo.

starting game 2 of preseason.

same old lions.

the same old lions were undefeated in their last 6 preseason games.

Let's not make too much out of a meaningless game. Nobody was calling them champions when they were winning them.

Same old Lions have top 3 WR's sitting. I'd like to see him out there with the regular WR's.

He looked terrible, but he was missing the top 3 WRs and Pettigrew. That's not a whole lot of help. Still, I'm hoping that he gets back to working with the second unit next game.

Maybe they started him BECAUSE the top receivers and tight end were out. Culpepper can't work on his timing with them if they're not playing, so you give Stafford a chance to play against someone's starters.

Peyton Manning says Lions should play Stafford http://bit.ly/gLki1

Superstars have the best perspective for how to make things work with less talent. That's why they are always great coaches.

Superstars have the best perspective for how to make things work with less talent. That's why they are always great coaches.

The Jets are going with Sanchez, fwiw

That's dirty.

ISWYDT

I can see MoTown is workin teh much maligned "Sparty Green" text.

If Peyton says it, it MUST be true. So sayeth the Lord.

If Peyton says it, it MUST be true. So sayeth the Lord.
But the Lord IS Peyton......right?

Archie Manning is the lord, Peyton jesus, and Eli the holy spirit.

I thought Jesus/Lord/Peyton and Archie/God. Guess I botched it.

I guess "lord" is really just an honorific, so it can be applied to either.

Who is Cooper? Judas? Paul?

One of Jesus's brothers. They're not very important or memorable, so I think that's fitting.

ESPN just reported Stafford will start week 1 vs Saints

same old lions.

This is a pretty good piece on Stafford.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/3001/lets-be-realistic-on-stafford-expectations

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

I don't know that anybody could honestly say he was the better QB in the preseason and still keep a straight face.

But at the same time, we saw Culpepper last year and he didn't win any games for us.

It's hard to feel sorry for Daunte' since he'll be making $5.5 mill this year, but at the same time, I think he's getting a raw deal here. He had a much better preseason than Stafford.

Hopefully Staff makes me eat some crow.

Daunte played without taking any risks, that's why he didn't have turnovers.

Not sure how one guy can have a "much better" preseason when he throws for half as many yards and just as many TDs...

Not sure how one guy can have a "much better" preseason when he throws for half as many yards and just as many TDs...
He didn't throw a pick every single game. Although, that was because he didn't take any chances. It's almost as if he was trying to prove himself as the "safe choice" while Stafford developed.

Get ready for an ugly season. Stafford is going to shine at times, and he's going to look terrible just as often.

When Marie Antoinette saw the starving people rioting in the streets of Paris and said, "Let them eat cake," I'm pretty sure there were a few stupid rioters who said, "you know what? Cake sounds good. Maybe she'll let us have some cake."

The descendants of those cake-eating motherfuckers are today's Lions fans.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who thinks this is a good idea should probably have their head examined.

I don't think it matters a lick. I think David Carr is bad at NFL football and Peyton Manning is good. Nothing to do with when they began starting.

^Agreed.

It only matters how they handle it. I think Peyton threw like 4 TD's and 19 INT's his first year. Also, Carr had the worst OL in NFL history (got sacked 76 times). He also had no WR's (Bradford and a bunch of crap) and no RB's (Jonathan Wells?) either. I'd use another rookie bust instead. Carr had junk around him, got hammered and never recovered.

^Disagree.

When Marie Antoinette saw the starving people rioting in the streets of Paris and said, "Let them eat cake," I'm pretty sure there were a few stupid rioters who said, "you know what? Cake sounds good. Maybe she'll let us have some cake."

The descendants of those cake-eating motherfuckers are today's Lions fans.

Anyone, and I mean anyone who thinks this is a good idea should probably have their head examined.

WTF Translator : hate hate hate hate hate hate

^Disagree.

could you elaborate?

I don't think he was "ruined". I think he couldn't speed up his reads to adjust from linemen running 4.9 40s to 4.4 40s. Quick release like that, he shouldn't have been sacked that much regardless of if you and I were the ones blocking and Glenn was playing "dad type" with the ball in backfield.

Joey Harrington couldn't get it done. Dan McGuire was just a guy who couldn't make the grade. Turns out Brady was. People in the draft room make mistakes in all sports at all positions. No matter who drafted Darko and where he played, Chris Bosh was just better than him at NBA basketball. It showed in his 4th exhibition game. It shows today. If Stafford is good, he'll spend a couple years and figure stuff out on the field the same way he would if he watched video and gave Dante high-fives for a couple weeks.

I wasn't saying Carr was only a bust because of his OL. I was simply saying that Stafford will have a much better chance to succeed based on what is around him.

QB's drafted #1 in the last 10 years:
Carr - bad talent around him, but also a bust
Couch - see Carr
Palmer - good offensive talent. did ok from start.
Eli - see Palmer

Palmer had Rudi/CJ/TJ which is about the same as Stafford will have (TJ is a better 2nd WR than what Lions have though).

Eli had Toomer/Ike/Barber/Shockey so he had good talent too. He benifited from a good defense when they won it all and Stafford won't have that for a while for sure.

The Couch/Carr/Leaf's of the world were complete busts, but they also had crap around them too. I'd rather compare Stafford to Palmer and Eli to see how he's doing with decent offensive talent.

I'm sorry, I think Stafford's supporting cast may go 0-16 again. This team looks awful. I think Carr is a good example.

Carr's cast was more like Joey's in his first year (Az, Alligator Arms, Stewart). That's the kind of crap Carr had around him.

WTF Translator : hate hate hate hate hate hate
What can I say about the Lions that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?

Dr. James Andrews FTW

Anyone still think Stafford shouldn't be in there learning on the job?


Quarterback Daunte Culpepper, starting for the second week in a row for the injured Stafford, said he was embarrassed by Sunday's performance.

"It was embarrassing to me, not to be able to move down the field and put points on the board,'' Lions quarterback Daunte Culpepper said. "We've got to find a way to do that, it's as simple as that.''

Culpepper's first pass of the game was a screen that was intercepted by defensive end Cullen Jenkins at the Detroit 17-yard line. It set up Green Bay's second touchdown and the Packers led 14-0 with 7:20 left in the first quarter.

Culpepper completed just six passes in 14 attempts for 48 yards and an interception before he left in the third quarter with a hamstring injury. Backup Drew Stanton's numbers: Five completions in 11 attempts for 57 yards and two interceptions. The quarterbacks combined for a passer efficiency rating of 16.7.