Watching 'Around the Horn' and it popped up some breaking news that the Bears have acquired Jay Cutler already. I wonder what kind of deal we're talking about here.

1st rounder + Orton + what?

Mayhew blew it.

Fuck.

Now he gets to tear up our secondary twice a year.

The deal is.....

Orton, 1st rounder, 1st rounder

for

Cutler
future 3rd rounder

I live in Chicago and my coworkers are acting like it's god damn Christmas morning. So not happy right now. Well at least we can watch Stafford screw us for the next 3-4 years.

Struck out on Cassel & Cutler without even so much as a hot rumor of a deal about to go down.

I'm glad we didn't get him at that price; however, it does suck he's in division. Damnit.

Yeah. I'd have loved to have gotten him, but for a young QB (which we don't have) and two 1st round picks? No thank you.

The Bears are going to be in trouble without those picks IMO. They are getting old at a lot of positions. However, they'll probably be good for a couple years.

he also has crap WR's to throw to.

I just read the Bears have agreed to a deal with Pace. Shit.

source coming

edit: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=141983

Bears just got much better.

Love the Pace signing and Cut for Orton (garbage) and two picks is good, too.

Look out, NFC North.

Is torry holt next? they could use a WR.

The deal is.....

Orton, 1st rounder, 1st rounder

for

Cutler
future 3rd rounder

Almost:

Orton, 2009 1st Rounder, 2010 First Rounder, 2009 3rd Rounder

for

Cutler, 2009 5th Rounder.


At that price: HELL NO. The Bears just bailed the Broncos out. People are acting like Cutler is on Brady or Manning's level. He's not. He's a good QB, not a great one. And I really think this will kill the Bears after this season. They better hope they win now, because that's a lot of picks (and future talent) to give up.

I have a feeling once a couple of years go by, people are going to look at who was drafted in those spots and say "damn, Cutler for all of those guys..."

His arm is perfect for the windy conditions, too.

Yep, like I said, I'm glad we didn't trade that for him and am happy to keep the picks. Bears should be good for a couple of years, then they're going to have to begin getting new pieces too...

I think they'll win 9 or 10 games (and the division maybe) but never more than a playoff round with him.

Maybe if they add Holt or Marvin (and either plays well), they can move the ball enough to keep an aging defense from being on the field all the time.

Here are the trade details: The Bears will send their No. 18 pick in 2009 and top pick in 2010, a third-round pick in 2009 and quarterback Kyle Orton (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8520) to Denver.
Denver will send Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) and the first of Denver's two fifth-round picks in 2009 to Chicago.
"This is the happiest day of my life," Cutler's father Jack said after hearing from his son about the deal.
The Cutlers were lifelong Bears fans growing up in the Midwest.

Holy Batshit Batman, that's a lot of picks. Quite a haul.

I'm fine with him going to the Bears. Now we know where our competition will come from.

This move will make the Bears better in the short term, but I'm not sure they'll be happy down the road with all the talent they miss out on with picks.

Pace is not young, nor are many of the WR they could get. They will certainly continue to beat us for a couple years, but after that we should be in position to pass them by.

Bears just got much better.

Love the Pace signing and Cut for Orton (garbage) and two picks is good, too.

Look out, NFC North.

Seriously? You think thats a good deal? 2 1sts (2009, 2010), a 3rd and Orton for Cut and and 5th?

I guess if they win the Super Bowl it is, and if not it isn't. I think its too much.

The Bears have needed a franchise QB for 10 years now.

They got him today in exchange for some picks that may or may not ever pan out and they shed the contract of a guy that should be no more than a career backup.

I think it's a steal, but I'm a "known > unknown" type of guy.

So you're even steppin it up from 'good' to 'steal' ???

Now they need some receivers to throw the ball to.

Yeah, I think it's a steal because the Bears needed a franchise QB and they were never going to get one with those picks, IMO. Maybe they needed to "overpay" in terms of "value" but they got what they needed and what they were never going to get without a 12+ loss season.

Interestingly, ESPN.com has a poll to see who got the better end of the deal.

With over 150K votes, it's 50/50.

Some teams just go after what they want....Snyder, Jets do it sometimes, Dallas/Jones. It works for some of them.

I bet ticket sales are going crazy right now for the Bears.

I do agree that getting rid of Orton might be something that the Bears wanted to do anyway. I don't follow them that much.

Almost:

Orton, 2009 1st Rounder, 2010 First Rounder, 2009 3rd Rounder

for

Cutler, 2009 5th Rounder.


At that price: HELL NO. The Bears just bailed the Broncos out. People are acting like Cutler is on Brady or Manning's level. He's not. He's a good QB, not a great one. And I really think this will kill the Bears after this season. They better hope they win now, because that's a lot of picks (and future talent) to give up.

I have a feeling once a couple of years go by, people are going to look at who was drafted in those spots and say "damn, Cutler for all of those guys..."

I've been a Bears fan all of my life, and I'm 30 now. The best QB the Bears have had in my lifetime has been Jim McMahon.

And you know what, it's not even close. It's like the difference between Peyton Manning and the next best Colts QB during the last 30 years.

That's why the Bears HAD to make this deal. It could blow up in their face, but it's a risk worth taking.

Where's the LOL @ the Bears thread?

When did Jay Cutler become godlike? I must have missed that moment ..
If the Lions would have traded that much with Stafford (who is practically the same fucking player) sitting there for just 1 draft pick I would have personally gone to Matt Millen and begged him to come back.

It's laughable to basically call Stafford a Pro Bowler already.

Foul on Bubbles.

Bubbles must be comparing Stafford & Cutler's college careers...

Jay Cutler never lead Vandy to a Bowl Game.

Yeah, Vandy is a bowl game regular, too.

He was only all-SEC and the SEC offensive player of the year.

Yeah, Vandy is a bowl game regular, too.

But anybody can play in a bowl game. I can understand him not being in a BCS bowl at Vandy, but he only had to win 6 games to make a bowl game in a power conference.

You can put 3 cupcakes on the non conference and get half your wins there. Beat a couple other bottom dwelling SEC teams and get one good win. That's not too much to ask.

Eli won the Cotton Bowl at Old Miss and won the division. he beat Florida two years in a row. He took them to three bowl games.

Sure, they are better than Vandy, but not exactly a power house school.

Take a look at Vandy's bowl history.

They need to get out of that conference, especially with the way that the bowl games select teams these days (2nd place in the SEC goes here, 3rd place in the SEC goes there, etc.)

They don't have any realistic hope of ending up in those top SEC spots in the standings playing against that level of competition.

I don't really care what he did or didn't do in college, to be honest. He's done enough at the pro level to be judged, IMO.

The kid is like 15-1 when his D gives up 22 or less pts.

Anyone else reminded a little bit of the Herschel Walker trade? Denver definitely got enough pieces to start working towards a dynasty. Thats 3 picks who could potentially be starters for them now and a system QB for McDaniels. I think Denver is gonna start dominating the division.

Even Orton going to a team with a better OLine, imo, and for sure a better set of receivers could do fine.

But Denver could pick a QB late, there are some good ones late too.

Right now, I still like Denvers future better than the Bears.

A few things in the last few posts to address.

1) i looked it up, they only have 3 bowl games at Vandy? Wow, didn't realize it was that bad. perhaps they belong in a different conference. Still, Cutler had enough talent to get them 6 wins as an upperclassman.

2) I don't care what he did in college either. Cassel didn't even start in college. It doesn't apply to his pro career. I think people bring Vandy up because Cutler has a bad record with the Broncos and there isn't college or something else to point to and say he's a "winner" at all. I don't fault him for the record (i've posted the defensive stats and how he's 12-1 with an average performance from them). It's just hard to say whether he just puts up good numbers...but is he really a winner or not?

3) Denver is going to suck this year bad. They will have 5-7 wins IMO. They'll have a marginal QB, bad defense still, switching schemes (and alignment on defense). it will be a learning year. However, if they can find a few starters for their defense this year and make use of the extra picks I could see them being contenders again in a couple years. They'll have to find a QB though (i think they use a 5th-7th rounder on one this year).

A few things in the last few posts to address.

1) i looked it up, they only have 3 bowl games at Vandy? Wow, didn't realize it was that bad. perhaps they belong in a different conference. Still, Cutler had enough talent to get them 6 wins as an upperclassman.

2) I don't care what he did in college either. Cassel didn't even start in college. It doesn't apply to his pro career. I think people bring Vandy up because Cutler has a bad record with the Broncos and there isn't college or something else to point to and say he's a "winner" at all. I don't fault him for the record (i've posted the defensive stats and how he's 12-1 with an average performance from them). It's just hard to say whether he just puts up good numbers...but is he really a winner or not?

3) Denver is going to suck this year bad. They will have 5-7 wins IMO. They'll have a marginal QB, bad defense still, switching schemes (and alignment on defense). it will be a learning year. However, if they can find a few starters for their defense this year and make use of the extra picks I could see them being contenders again in a couple years. They'll have to find a QB though (i think they use a 5th-7th rounder on one this year).

Its possible they could move up and grab Sanchez. I agree with you if they don't move up, but once they see who we agree to terms with (hopefully in the next couple of weeks) Denver will know how far they have to move up. If we sign Stafford before the draft, they might call Seattle to see what it would take to take Sanchez. If we go OT or Curry, then they might only have to move a spot or 2 to grab Sanchez.

Is anyone going to sign Jeff Garcia?

Cutler's big arm is useless on a team that has no WR's.

Earl Bennett, Marty Booker & Brandon Lloyd...? Good luck with that.

Cutler's problem is he locked onto Brandon Marshall way too much, now he has no one to lock onto...

Damn I wish he could have locked onto Calvin... with that big arm and Calvins size and jumping ability they would have been unstoppable.

He gave Eddie Royal alot of targets too.


Calvin Johnson > Eddie Royal + Brandon Marshall

Cutler's big arm is useless on a team that has no WR's.

Earl Bennett, Marty Booker & Brandon Lloyd...? Good luck with that.

Cutler throwing to those WRs > Orton throwing to those WRs

Unlike Orton, he has the arm strength to help those guys out even when they can't get separation. Those WRs still suck, no doubt, but they'll look a lot better this year for sure.

Booker used to be a deep threat. is he still? if so he'd benefit from Cutler's arm strength.

The biggest thing will be Forte. He should have less men in the box with the threat of Cutler going deep.

I'm just hoping some team, other than the Bears, signs Tory Holt. He's rumored there.

I think that Denver will better than peeps think and the Bears aren't going to be as good as some peeps think.

^spoken like a true Lions fan

Here's another for you. The Lions will win a playoff game in the 2010 season.

Cutler would have a better chance of succeeding with the Lions than with the Bears. this might be a hard statement to defend

Succeeding personally or team-wise?

The dome, alone, would ensure more personal success (stats), especially vs. playing 8 games in Chicago weather every year.

Both, which is a hypothetical so it gets into opinion, but if he came here he'd win more games here than in Chicago.

I like our Oline better(hypothetically after the draft).

I like our RB better and our running game better.

I like our talent at WR better. I should just say CJ, cuz thats where it stops preseason.

I like our draft choices better too. Granted we'd have to subtract some of our draft to make it fair cuz we wouldn't have all those picks if we made a deal for Cut, but we do have 2 1sts, 2 3rds, etc.

I still don't understand how we could let this fall through our fingers. Trade #20 and next years #1 for Cutler, draft Andre Smith #1. Problem(s) SOLVED

I still don't understand how we could let this fall through our fingers. Trade #20 and next years #1 for Cutler, draft Andre Smith #1. Problem(s) SOLVED

Thank the jeezus you're not running this team.

I am gonna take a guess and say the Cut will fuck up the Chicago locker room or divide the team. I think the guy is that big of a douce. We'll see, but I'm glad that he isn't a Lion.

It's laughable to basically call Stafford a Pro Bowler already.

Foul on Bubbles.
It's laughable Cutler is a probowler, the lil bitch hasn't even had a winning season or a QB rating above fucking 90.

I was speaking on talent, not retarded ass acollades.
Actually, I give Stafford the edge on talent., I think his release is quicker and arm is stronger.

^ Fuck'n A

My sources tell me that Cut likes pink undies

My sources tell me Cutler has...







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NO!
NOT
THE
BEETUS

You guys need to put down the silver and blue poms poms,
slide Mock Draft v6.654 away from you and try being objective.

Yeah, I did that. For the Bears, it was an okay, probably good deal. I would have been pissed if the Lions did it, though.

You guys need to put down the silver and blue poms poms,
slide Mock Draft v6.654 away from you and try being objective.

You're just going to have to get used to the offseason optimism. Reality check comes in September.

You're just going to have to get used to the offseason optimism. Reality check comes in September.

Before or after the 3-1 preseason?

I was laughing when I posted #57, it was kind of intentionally jerky.

No worries... it doesn't phase Lions fans

Ortons numbers don't look that bad. I think its 3000 yds, 18 and 12 pix. All the pundits say Denver needs a QB in the 1st. I'm not so sure they go that way. They could really improve their D if they just draft D this year with all thos picks.

Orton didn't start all season either.

Orton could fit into the new Denver "system". Their new coach does like his system quarterbacks. Or maybe Sims could fill that role and Orton is their backup plan. Sims was starting to come into his own right before he had to have his spleen removed, I do believe. Who knows.