Thought it diot since its migrating through the other 3 threads...maybe this will help.

Now the Vikings are reported to have expressed interest in Cutler.

My question is was this Cutler situation leaked with intent? Did the Broncs do this to get interest? I don't think so. Did Cuts agent do it cuz Cut wants to be traded? More possible. Did Mayhew leak it to bust up the relationship with Denver? I don't think he's that savy yet.

But this may be a bell that can't be unrung or however that saying goes. They may have ruffled his feathers too much. If Cut is as stubborn as some say, he might want out.

He could go anywhere. 3 team deals make it so he can go to any team. Denver is hurting salary cap wise...so the 1st overall isn't what they are looking for necessarily, but if we took a high priced douche off their hands maybe something could get done.

Lions and Bucs have the most flexibility so even if Cut doesn't land here or at the Bucs, we could still be involved with the #1, 20, 33 and cap space.

This could get fun.

I think internet poster Tahoe leaked it.

Reportedly, the Broncos wouldn't want #1 because of the money involved and the only chance we had was flipping them Cassel... Sucks, oh well. We can't really offer them more than that (I'm not sure that I would).

Reportedly, the Broncos wouldn't want #1 because of the money involved and the only chance we had was flipping them Cassel... Sucks, oh well. We can't really offer them more than that (I'm not sure that I would).

But what I was saying on the first post is that Denver is cap strapped, so the first isn't what they are looking for, but if we took some dead cap back, it could still work. Its an option.

Never going to happen. We aren't getting Cutler.

lol

Never going to happen. We aren't getting Cutler.

We know. You have Quinn.

My Cleveland "friend" last night was telling me how excited he would be if we traded them #33 for Derek Anderson.

I punched him in the dick.

My Cleveland "friend" last night was telling me how excited he would be if we traded them #33 for Derek Anderson.

I punched him in the dick.


http://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/star-wars-lord-vader-faggotry.jpg

I didn't really punch him in the dick, but he deserved a punch in the dick.

I'll do it for you. I don't like Anderson.

Not cool, Butters. You don't shoot someone in the dick.

BTW, I like how you called him your "friend".

I do that a lot.

Not cool, Butters. You don't shoot someone in the dick unless he's from Cleveland.

Fickst.

BTW, I like how you called him your "friend".

I do that a lot.
http://www.insult-o-matic.com/images/john_mccain.jpg

HATING YOUR FRIENDS IS NORMAL

"That one" is much preferred.

Here's my question -
If they want cap relief that bad, what else are they willing to do? Would they package Cutler with Ben Hamilton and/or Jarvis Moss? Both are two of their bigger cap hits, I believe. Hamilton would likely become our starting LG and Moss is young and capable of filling a role on the DL. Denver has plnety of young talent at DE, I can't imagine why they would refuse to let go of one who is not the starter but is the biggest cap laibility. (sounds like Lions material).
So my feeling is that while it means giving up more talent for Denver, would they trade Cutler and one or two of those guys, mainly looking for cap relief, in exchange for a set of picks that doesn't necessarily involve the #1 overall (if they don't want to financial implications)?

We would end up with a starting QB, starting LG, DE who could potentially start, and still have #1 to take a LT or LB. For all I care we could then part with several of our next picks. #20, #33, one or both of our 3rds.

Any thoughts?

Not cool, Butters. You don't shoot someone in the dick.

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Jethro - I think the Broncos have the 5th most cap space this year (or at least they did prior to FA).

They didn't make any huge signings money wise either (Dawkins, Goodman, Hill, Buckhalter). I doubt cap space is a big concern right now.

Denver TV analyst Scott Hastings joined Dan to discuss the Nuggets playoff run, the Broncos and other Denver news.

-Jay Cutler lost Hastings' respect when he claimed his arm is stronger than John Elway's. This was just a stupid thing to say because Elway is a legend in Denver so saying something like that just angers the fanbase. He calls Cutler an "arrogant little punk" and should wake up to the reality that he's the QB of an NFL football team and should act like a leader. He also referred to Cutler as a "little bitch."

-When Josh McDaniel was introduced as head coach, Cutler didn't even appear at the press conference. Hastings thinks that as the team leader, Cutler should've done everything in his power to appear there to support the new coach. He is, after all, the team leader.

-Dan asks Hastings if he'd rather have Brandon Marshall or Cutler. Hastings says he'd rather have Marshall, calling him a great guy.

Not saying whether I agree with all this or not, but Hastings is an idiot. That's the one thing I hate watching Pistons Nuggets games out here. The announcers are so bad (so are the Avs). They have some smart people on talk radio that know the Broncos (I also like to read Terry Frei's stuff), but the Avs and Nuggets have stupid announcers.

I find it humorous that the announcer called a player a "little bitch". Isn't that the type of opinionated thinking you're supposed to keep to yourself in that position. You may say you think he's acting immature in the situation, but "little bitch" just makes you sound just as immature.

They are downright horrible. They bitch about every call too.

Sounds like someone the Pistons used to have...........

They are very similar to Fred.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968896

I find it humorous that the announcer called a player a "little bitch". Isn't that the type of opinionated thinking you're supposed to keep to yourself in that position. You may say you think he's acting immature in the situation, but "little bitch" just makes you sound just as immature.
That's Dungver for ya'. Sorry Chris.

Still think this is possible.

All things considered...Do you want Cutler or Stafford?

It all depends on the price for Cutler.

proven > unproven

Cutler's best years are still ahead of him, too.

He's got one of, if not the best arms I've ever seen.

Apparently, he's a punk, though, which may or not mean anything to you.

proven > unproven

Cutler's best years are still ahead of him, too.

He's got one of, if not the best arms I've ever seen.

Apparently, he's a punk, though, which may or not mean anything to you.

He'd be loved by the fans here.

I agree, people in Detroit would embrace him they way they embraced Rasheed. After Joey Pedicure Diddlenuts, they would consider Cutler to be a guy with swagger.
He would be the best QB we've had since Scott Mitchell. While Mitchell was unproven when he arrived, with an expense, he threw for a million yards but chucked too many INT's as well. However, that story sounds a lot like Kurt Warner and Brett Favre, and they have rings.

It'd make sense for a bunch of punks to embrace a punk.

Hey, who you calling a punk, punk?

You, Detroit fan!

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5606/catz.jpg

FYI Cutler put his house up for sale today. May mean nothing, but everyone is talking about it out here.

^ yep. When that first flap happened I gave it a small chance, but I think it's 50/50. If he doesn't show at the meeting with the coach. Odds are he's gone.

And if he goes, we have a good shot at getting him.

Per *********


Cutler has three properties in the area and has reportedly been considering selling the Castle Pines residence for six months. The Cutler controversy is far from over, but it appears that the house sale will not be adding fuel to the fire.

Lots of people involved there, bluffs, people calling bluffs, playing hardball, insert cliche.

Often in cases like this, especially when a scenario could benefit Detroit, the player smooths things over at the last minute. I hope the Lions finally catch a break here.

The house thing is explainable. But them not being able to meet is another. We'll see how this next meeting goes. Then again, I won't be sure he is going to be a Bronco til the season starts.

Interesting angle here -
If things don't recover between the two sides, wouldn't the Broncos ultimate "stick it to him" move be to send him packing to the worst team in history? Seriously, 0-16 could work in our favor here. "You don't want to play for us? Well enjoy rotting in Detroit!"

If they do move him, it would come down to which QB they like in the draft. If they like Stafford - Detroit, Sanchez they'd prolly deal with the Jets, Freeman - TB.

I really don't think Mayhew is going to give away the farm to get Cutler either. I could be wrong, maybe the Lions brass think Cutler is worth it, but I bet they bargain pretty hard with Denver.

The Vikes might be a possibility too, even with the addition of Rosenfels.

^ That won't happen. Cuz...just because. It would suck if that happens. Thats why it won't happen cuz it would suck and Minni would prolly win the Central or be penciled in to win the Central for a decade.

The Vikes might be a possibility too, even with the addition of Rosenfels.

:dismissed:

People laugh at Rosenfels, but if he were on the Lions, he'd be their best QB, hands down. IMO.

That's not exactly fucking saying much, now is it? [smilie=beat_deadho:

Cutler has three properties in the area and has reportedly been considering selling the Castle Pines residence for six months. The Cutler controversy is far from over, but it appears that the house sale will not be adding fuel to the fire.

I didn't know his house was in Castle Pines. That sub is about a mile from mine (but up on the ridge and very pricey).

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11919325




Friction between Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler and head coach Josh
McDaniels appears to be turning into a full-fledged feud, with the two exchanging words during a meeting Saturday, according to a source close to Cutler.
The Broncos, however, say no ultimatums were given during the meeting, which a spokesman for the team characterized as cordial, with no one raising their voice. However, no reconciliation was reached.

I didn't know his house was in Castle Pines. That sub is about a mile from mine (but up on the ridge and very pricey).

So you're connection is tenuous, at best?

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/cutler.nfl.broncos.2.958850.html



CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler will not report for the team's voluntary workout on Monday. Cutler and his agent met with the Broncos yesterday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach

Sweet, sweet. If we could get him at a bargain price I'd be thrilled.

I agree on the price thing. I don't think Mayhew will overpay for him, fi we have a chance at him. The only place you could say he may have overpaid is giving Seattle the 5th. Other than that, he's toeing the line.

Giving Seattle the 5th doesn't bother me, but for some it does.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3983805




Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler said Sunday night that he will not report to the team's first meeting on Monday and has formally asked to be traded.

I'd say we have roughly 10mil of space left. We have the room, but I'm sure they'll shop to get the best deal out there.

We are likely one of about four or five teams to have a lot of interest, and we have a lot of ammunition regarding draft picks. I'm not sure how much I want to give up, though...

TB, NYJ, Chicago and Minny are probably the other teams interested. Minny just signed Sage, so unless they send Jackson to Denver I can't see them as interested. Chicago has some aging defenders to replace and still a bunch of fairly young QB's that they think are good enough with a great defense. NYJ haven't given Clemmons a lot of time to develop.

I think it comes down to Tampa and Detroit. at #19 (Tampa's pick) the best Denver could do is Freeman, and that's not a sure thing he's even there (I think he will be). Detroit is the only team that offers a viable starter in return (Stafford). If Cutler is really on the market, he's Mayhew's to lose IMO.

#1 and #33 for Cutler and #12? I don't know the exact senario of picks it would take but I'm sure it could be worked out.

Supposing we trade #1 for Cutler (with #12 coming back in the deal somehow), where could we get a LT to protect him? It seems like they are open to moving Backus to guard now. What would be the options for LT at these picks? (don't know which ones we'd have still after the deal):

#12
#20
#33

I think Smith and Monroe at top 5. Neither would be there at #12, #20 or #33.

#20 would be a good spot for Oher, #33 for Britton probably.

If we could do #1 and #33 for Cutler and #12 I'd do this:

#12 Rey (unless Raji slipped)
#20 Oher

I'd give up a later pick to move up for Raji if need be too.

We are likely one of about four or five teams to have a lot of interest, and we have a lot of ammunition regarding draft picks. I'm not sure how much I want to give up, though...

Cleveland, Tampa and New York, imo.

At least we SHOULD be in the mix here.

#1 and #33 for Cutler and #12? I don't know the exact senario of picks it would take but I'm sure it could be worked out.


That would be fantastic for the Lions, IMO.

Get out of a weak #1 draft slot, avoid paying #1 money to an unproven talent, remove some of the risk that rookie GMs for 0-16 teams can't afford to make, get a franchise QB and hopefully a long-time starter at #12.

Raji would be nice, but Ziggy would be fine with me late 1st.

Oher, Britton and Beatty are that 2nd group that I've been talking about that we should be able to pick from at 20/33 depending on which way the Lions go. Teams want OTs ahead of us and thats why I was saying last week I wanted Andre Smith to have a good pro day so he is selected before the 20th. It'll leave us that 2nd group to pick from.

I bet he goes to the Jets, though.

They seem to know how to go out and get what they want.

There's just no way to tell at this point what the deal would look like, but I agree on ridding ourselves of 1oa would be good this year and getting Cut in return for some other swapping??? Definately like it.

I bet he goes to the Jets, though.

They seem to know how to go out and get what they want.

I know...and our track record for landing Pro Bowl QBs???? Non existent.

That would be fantastic for the Lions, IMO.

Get out of a weak #1 draft slot, avoid paying #1 money to an unproven talent, remove some of the risk that rookie GMs for 0-16 teams can't afford to make, get a franchise QB and hopefully a long-time starter at #12.

Which is why I don't think Denver would take #1. #20, #33 and and a later pick I think would be a great package (not my original idea, got it off Drew Sharpe's column but I do agree with it).

I said somewhere in this thread, if they don't want Stafford, we prolly won't get Cut.

If Denver wants Sanchez, they'll prolly deal with the Jets and if they like Freeman it'd be Tampa at 19.

20 and 33 are too late for them to get one of this years QBs.

Browns would trade Brady Q and some stuff in a heart beat for Cut one would think

Why would Denver want Anderson or Quinn back?

Sanchez will still be gone by #10 IMO. So if Denver wants him they'll need to move up. They could deal with Tampa or NYJ and then use another pick to move their #12 ahead of SF. That's their best course of action if they aren't sold on Stafford.

What about a three team deal? We send 20 and 33 for an earlier pick so they could get Sanchez before the Jets?

Then we add a 3rd next year or something to Denver.

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Aside from that thought, let me pipe dream. Let's say 20 and 33 plus some extra compensation (a 3rd next year + later picks?) for Cutler. You guys know I've been a proponent of Curry all along, so check this out.

Sign Vonnie Holliday to a two or three year deal to come in the rotation at UT. Draft:

1) Aaron Curry, MLB
65) Herman Johnson, OG
82) Sammie Lee Hill, DT
Later picks: OG's, CB's, KR's, TE's, FB's? Keep in mind we may be getting a 6 or 7th round compensatory pick.

Offense could then have Herman Johnson in and just maul on running situations and some passing situations with Loper coming in for the other situations. We would certainly be way bigger and way better than last year, IMO. The depth chart:

QB: Cutler/Pepper/Stanton
RB: Smith/Morris
FB: Jerome Felton
TE: Michael Gaines/Fitz/Rookie?
WR1: C. Johnson/Standeford/FA?
WR2: B. Johnson/Colbert
LT: Jeff Backus (pick up a new one next year?)
LG: Herman Johnson/Daniel Loper/Damion Cook
C: Dominic Raiola/FA or resign McCollum
RG: Stephen Peterman/Daniel Loper/Damion Cook
RT: Gosder Cherilus/Daniel Loper

Defense:

RE: Cliff Avril
LE: Dewayne White
UT: Vonnie Holliday/Fluellen
NT: Grady Jackson/Sammie Lee Hill
LOLB: Ernie Sims/Dizon
MLB: Aaron Curry
ROLB: Julian Peterson
CB: Buchanon/Fisher
CB: Henry/King
SS: Daniel Bullocks/Pearson
FS: Gerald Alexander/Pearson

That team is so drastically better... still some improvements to be made on defense (FS, CB, DT eventually and LE eventually) and soon, offense (LT, TE).

I know I left out some backups but I just wanted to put the idea in.

I like the 3 team idea but they are hard to accomplish. Maybe the way to approach this is to figure out who wants the #1 pick.

Nobody is moving up for an OT IMO. We'd have to find a team wanting Crabtree/Curry/Raji badly that feels they'd be gone by their pick.

Would the Packers be that high on Curry to play in their new 3-4? Is Jacksonville worried Crabtree would be gone to Cincy or Oakland?

I'm not really confident in this, but maybe. I think Raji is the key. There are about 3-4 teams in the top 10 that could take him. Maybe one of them feels strongly enough to move up?

I doubt that the Broncos will go for anything complicated at this point. I don't think they'd want to risk another deal falling apart.

Eh, Raji is not going to garner a trade up to #1, especially when he's projected from 5-10.

I agree with Glenn (second time already today?, wtf?) Denver will want a pretty clean deal.

edit...and it doesn't get much cleaner than 1oa, and swap or 2 in the later rounds for this good of a player.

From #72: I would not be mad if that trade went through and we drafted Jason Smith #1 and LB Jasper Brinkley at 65. Both scenarios I would like, heck, I might even like the second one more. I don't know. I'm going to chill out for a while and wait and see what happens with Cutler.

This offseason has been about as exciting as 0-16 offseasons get. seehowthatworks

What about a three team deal? We send 20 and 33 for an earlier pick so they could get Sanchez before the Jets?

Then we add a 3rd next year or something to Denver.

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Aside from that thought, let me pipe dream. Let's say 20 and 33 plus some extra compensation (a 3rd next year + later picks?) for Cutler. You guys know I've been a proponent of Curry all along, so check this out.

Sign Vonnie Holliday to a two or three year deal to come in the rotation at UT. Draft:

1) Aaron Curry, MLB
65) Herman Johnson, OG
82) Sammie Lee Hill, DT
Later picks: OG's, CB's, KR's, TE's, FB's? Keep in mind we may be getting a 6 or 7th round compensatory pick.

Offense could then have Herman Johnson in and just maul on running situations and some passing situations with Loper coming in for the other situations. We would certainly be way bigger and way better than last year, IMO. The depth chart:

QB: Cutler/Pepper/Stanton
RB: Smith/Morris
FB: Jerome Felton
TE: Michael Gaines/Fitz/Rookie?
WR1: C. Johnson/Standeford/FA?
WR2: B. Johnson/Colbert
LT: Jeff Backus (pick up a new one next year?)
LG: Herman Johnson/Daniel Loper/Damion Cook
C: Dominic Raiola/FA or resign McCollum
RG: Stephen Peterman/Daniel Loper/Damion Cook
RT: Gosder Cherilus/Daniel Loper

Defense:

RE: Cliff Avril
LE: Dewayne White
UT: Vonnie Holliday/Fluellen
NT: Grady Jackson/Sammie Lee Hill
LOLB: Ernie Sims/Dizon
MLB: Aaron Curry
ROLB: Julian Peterson
CB: Buchanon/Fisher
CB: Henry/King
SS: Daniel Bullocks/Pearson
FS: Gerald Alexander/Pearson

That team is so drastically better... still some improvements to be made on defense (FS, CB, DT eventually and LE eventually) and soon, offense (LT, TE).

I know I left out some backups but I just wanted to put the idea in.

tl;dr :)

edit...We won't use 65 for a OG, imo. Its still a vauable pick

Plus there's still the chance of picking up the LT from the Bills. That could go a long way in changing things, as well. Then your O-line is all set.

If Loper steps up and Backus can handle the guard position...we are at least servicable.

But if you want to go anywhere you need to have a really, really good L OT. I doubt Loper can excell to that level.

I thought Loper was a G that could play T if needed.

I thought Loper was a G that could play T if needed.

did ya?

That's what I read when we were bringing him in for talks.

oh

As someone said before, I have to believe that out of all the teams interested, Denver would love to send him to Detroit above all else.

As someone said before, I have to believe that out of all the teams interested, Denver would love to send him to Detroit above all else.

Take that Jay!

The Lions have to make sure they can lock him up for a long while if the we would get a chance at him.

As someone said before, I have to believe that out of all the teams interested, Denver would love to send him to Detroit above all else.

I would think they'd be fine with any NFC team. The Jets would open the possibility of competing for a wild card spot.

I would think they'd be fine with any NFC team. The Jets would open the possibility of competing for a wild card spot.

Oh that was serious by TW?

I thought he was just saying that McD would love to fuck with Cut and send him to a shitty team.

Well, McDaniels isn't the GM. I don't think Meyhew or Bolan have the same opinion that McDaniels does.

Well, McDaniels isn't the GM. I don't think Meyhew or Bolan have the same opinion that McDaniels does.

Oh, he isn't? :)

Put Xanders and McD in that sentence for me, if that helps.

I think they probably care about getting the best possible replacement at QB, not screwing with Cutler.

People are bagging on Cutler in this whole thing calling him a whiner. I've read a lot of good stories lately that contradict that but that isn't what the national media shows you. He recently had a charity appearance. He canceled because he didn't want to draw negative attention to the event with everything going on. However, he made a large donation to the charity because he still wanted to support the event. he doesn't get in trouble and is a good teammate.

This isn't like trading a bad apple.

I don't disgree with any of that. It was just a joke type of thing.

This was a bullshit rumor that I posted and it is bullshit so I figured I'd edit it cuz y'all prolly don't want to read a bunch of bullshit.

Not that you want to read my bullshit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3995461

A part I found interesting:

As recently as the last meeting between Cutler and McDaniels, Cook said his client was ready to commit to the Broncos. However, he claims, the Broncos wouldn't commit to Cutler.


"We told them the evening of our last meeting that Jay wanted to be a Bronco even before the meeting," Cook told NFL.com. "Jay told them he understood about the coach's relationship with Matt Cassel. At no time was the coach critical of Jay. In fact, he told Jay soon after he got to Denver that Jay was the reason he came to Denver. So, why was he trying to trade him? All the guy had to do was say I dropped the ball, I have a special bond with Cassel, you are my guy. Jay never heard that. What he heard in the meeting was it could happen again."

Here's (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9345936/Cutler%27s-agent-Cooks-up-another-drama) an article that says its on Cook. I'm starting to believe it was more on Cut n Cook then the Broncos.

With Cook coming out today and basically questioning Bowlens credibility, he is all but gone.

I think the Bucs has the best chance at him now.

I have a hard time believing that article because not one NFL analyst has mentioned that Cutler asked out before the Cassell rumor. I do feel like Cutler needs to man up and show up. Take the high road and say he's going to do his best and let his agent handle it. I also think Bolan dropped the ball by saying he's in control when he fired Shanny and clearly Josh is running the show there.

And I know you didn't write the article so don't take offense if I think that guys is full of shit. I think he reads into situations like Killer does and makes it seem like facts.

If there wasn't some plan to get him out of Denver, then to me its the meeting between Bowlen and Cut, after McDs hire but before they changed the offensive coordinator.

If Bowlen really did say he wasn't going to change the O group and then he was persuaded by McD to do it, I could see Cut getting pissed and feeling betrayed.

But Cut is looking more and more like a friggin whinner to me. Then again, McD's position that NO PLAYER is more important than the team or any other player is clearly showing to.

Now that Cook questioned Bowlens credability, its over, imo.

Cut said Bowlen promised, Bowlen says he doesnt remember it or never said it.

I wonder what kind of 3 way deal we could do with the Browns and Broncos. The Browns want Aaron Curry and he won't get by KC IMO.

What do you think of this one:?

Lions send #1 to Browns
Lions send #20 to Broncos
Lions send #33 to Broncos

Browns send #5 to Lions
Browns send Quinn/Anderson to Broncos
Browns send #37 to Broncos

Broncos send Cutler to Lions
Broncos send #12 to Lions

So we end up with:

Cutler
#5
#12

then our 3rd rounders (+)

#5 is Raji or Monroe
#12 is Rey or Oher

I'd probably do Raji and Rey. Load up that defense and send Backus packing next year. Get a OG in the 3rd to help the OL.

Just a quck look, Lions would end up with Cutler, the 5th oa and the 12th oa?

I'd probably do that one as quick as one possibly could. We would potentially end up with Cutler, E Monroe and Raji.

I don't know if I would count on Raji falling that far. I'd just use both picks on defensive playmakers and live with Backus one more year.

I'd rather have Raji than Monroe really. We need DT much more, and if you had him soaking up blockers than Sims/Rey/Peterson would have a lot of space to work with.

I'd take Raji at 5 then and Oher...or possibly trade down and get Oher.

I'd do it. The more I read and here, the less I think we'll be involved.

Did you do a mock Chris?

I ask cuz if you look at the 18 players going between the 1 and 20, it shows we'll have a lot to choose from at 20...and 33 for that matter. When you suck like us, someone will be there.

I'd take Raji at 5 then and Oher...or possibly trade down and get Oher.

I'd do it. The more I read and here, the less I think we'll be involved.
If that was the case I would remove #12, #20 and #33 from the deal and maybe add a 3rd rounder from us.

That way we keep #20 and #33 without moving up to #12.

Take Raji #5. Oher #20. Laurenitus #33.

That would be stellar for sure. And you'd have Cutler too. How amazing would that be?

The Lions make out way too fat with that deal, no way it's going down.

I'm really cooling on the Cutler thing. A lil more every day. I want not part of Cook.

He is a ass hat. I mean how could you fuck up a relationship between Favre and Green Bay? He never helps, always hurts, imo.

I really starting to hope we stay away from this.

Plus Cook will ask for a new contract and a freighter full of money.

Yep, I'm still holding firm on my original thoughts... get him at the right price (which becomes lower to me as more is revealed on Cook).

I count at least 7 grammatical errors or spelling errors in 107.

Still think this is possible.

All things considered...Do you want Cutler or Stafford?

Stafford doesn't have teh diabeetus.

Brimley won't be happy with those sort of comments.

I'm really cooling on the Cutler thing. A lil more every day. I want not part of Cook.




You have a big part of him, he's CJ's agent I think.

You have a big part of him, he's CJ's agent I think.

You are correct and I didn't notice that.

You are correct and I didn't notice that.

So you are wrong and have learned nothing.

I have learned to never ever underestimate the Herm

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11963131



Former Broncos quarterback John Elway, himself no stranger to a feud with a head coach, on Thursday told the Pueblo Chieftain that the current spat between Jay Cutler and Josh McDaniels is "sad and unfortunate."

Elway, who spoke with the newspaper while attending a fundraiser at the Pueblo Convention Center, had not previously commented on the current drama at Dove Valley. Cutler has formally requested a trade after McDaniels and the new Broncos' regime discussed trading him.

"I understand Jay's feelings got hurt, but it's too bad it has got to where it is," Elway said. "I wish Jay would have got some better advice from whoever he was getting advice from."

Team travels.
McDaniels, owner Pat Bowlen and general manager Brian Xanders will travel today to Dana Point, Calif., for the owners' meetings. Along with standard league business, Broncos officials expect to be very busy listening to trade pitches from other teams interested in acquiring Cutler. The meetings continue through Wednesday.

Does anyone think Bowlens comments (and decision) were prompted by the reported great workout of Stafford today? Maybe I'm making the Lions out to be bigger partners in a Cutler deal than they should be. But McD wants his own guy. If Stafford is that good, I'm sure he'd love to start fresh with his own guy.


http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/31/bowlen-says-broncos-will-trade-cutler/



“Numerous attempts to contact Jay Cutler in the last 10 days, both by [coach] Josh McDaniels and myself, have been unsuccessful.
“A conversation with his agent earlier today clearly communicated and confirmed to us that Jay no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncoshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/31/bowlen-says-broncos-will-trade-cutler/#).
“We will begin discussions with other teams in an effort to accommodate his request to be traded.”

As pumped as I was about the possibility of getting Cut, after todays early reports about Staffs workout, I want NOTHING to do with Cutler.

There is the old bird in the hand saying too.

I don't think the Broncos actually want to pay the #1 pick. I think they'll try a deal with someone in the 7-9 range and go for Sanchez.

I wonder if SF would be interested.

There is the old bird in the hand saying too.

I don't think the Broncos actually want to pay the #1 pick. I think they'll try a deal with someone in the 7-9 range and go for Sanchez.

I wonder if SF would be interested.

I agree...Especially with Sims on the roster.

The only thing is if they just have to have Stafford. I dont know if they can afford it, but that would be something if they came with a deal so sweet that we couldn't resist...like a starter, their 1st and some later picks where we just couldn't turn it down.

Chances of that are small. I hope MM doesn't even call them tomorrow. Let the Broncs call you if they want Stafford and play hard to get.

Cutler's value isn't as high as it should be. KC got Cassel for a 2nd rounder and he didn't have the difficult label that Cutler now has.

The Lions shouldn't have to pay more than the 20th pick if they wanted him. For pick 20, I do it in a hearbeat. Get Curry #1 and you add a playmaker on both sides of the ball. I'd also consider Smith and MLB at #33.

By bickering with Staff for the last month, they have diminished his value for sure.

What I was saying in 120 is "IF"they 'have to have Stafford' they'd have to make us a killer deal for the 1oa. That would take Curry or Smith out of the equation but if they dealt us Cut, a starting LB or OT or CB and some other stuff, it'd be hard to turn down.

Denver and Bowlen can get things done when they want to, imo. He's been around for a while and I think pretty respected.

By bickering with Staff for the last month, they have diminished his value for sure.

What I was saying in 120 is "IF"they 'have to have Stafford' they'd have to make us a killer deal for the 1oa. That would take Curry or Smith out of the equation but if they dealt us Cut, a starting LB or OT or CB and some other stuff, it'd be hard to turn down.

Denver and Bowlen can get things done when they want to, imo. He's been around for a while and I think pretty respected.

They won't trade Champ or either OT IMO. Their only LB is Williams. they have as many holes on defense as we do (probably more).

An interesting idea I saw. Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 (Denver is switching to that). Would they swap Peppers for Cutler? If so, Denver would have to get the Browns involved to get Quinn maybe (played under Wies and maybe that would help?).

They won't trade Champ or either OT IMO. Their only LB is Williams. they have as many holes on defense as we do (probably more).

An interesting idea I saw. Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 (Denver is switching to that). Would they swap Peppers for Cutler? If so, Denver would have to get the Browns involved to get Quinn maybe (played under Wies and maybe that would help?).

I don't follow other teams much, so I didn't know that about Denver's talent.

I'm not following that trade scenario. You mean we sign Peppers and trade him. Sorry, not following.

Peppers is franchised to Carolina. Carolina would trade Peppers for Cutler because they need to find an eventual replacement for Delholme or however its spelled.

Oh, I see. Chris was just talking Cut, not Detroit.

Yeah. I feel like Carolina would want way more than just Cutler for someone like Peppers, though. I'm not sure how they'd work the Browns into that trade either.

Jets and TB would be my guess from all the speculation over the last mompf.

Czaban was speculating about a McNabb/Cutler deal this morning.

That's intriguing.

Czaban was speculating about a McNabb/Cutler deal this morning.

That's intriguing.

That to me doesn't make sense. McNabb is not washed up, but he's past his prime. Denver is not ready to compete with that defense and won't be for a couple years at best.

Why get an aging vet when you aren't ready to win?

At this stage of the game, I'd probably offer 20 and 65, and not more.

ESPN saying that the Broncos are finally saying they're just going to trade him because he obviously doesn't want to reconcile the situation anymore.

I'd imagine somebody will offer a pick better than #20 for him.
I'd be ok with swapping #1 and a 2nd rounder for #12 # Cutler.

I was more on Cutler's side of this throughout the process. However, I don't get why he wouldn't return Bolan's phone calls for 10 days. That bugs me. He should at least hear what the owner has to say.

I think he's been leaning towards wanting out since they lied to him and let Bates go. The Cassel talk just gave him a reason to go public. I think Bolan/McDaniels created this mess with the way the transition was handled. After the mess was created Cutler basically rubbed salt in his own wounds.

If we pulled off the deal of Cutler and #12 for pick #1 and pick #33 who would you want at 12 and 20?

i'd want Raji at #12 and Rey at #20.

Not sure if it would fall that way. I'd be happy with Oher at #20 as well.

Raji and Oher

If Raji is gone (Todd McShay his him possible to the Raiders), then I'm not sure what the alternative is. I guess a DE is the best option there, but I would probably attempt to trade down and get an extra pick.

You could move #12 and a day two (or future) pick to the Eagles for #21 and #28. Maybe they'd want to move up to get Moreno or Andre Smith?

You could then go Perry at #20, Oher #21, and James L at #28.

Those three plus Cutler would be a heck of a haul for the first two rounds of picks.

It's possible Andre Smith could still be on the board, so you could go A Smith (if he's shaped up) and then like you said, possibly a trade down and pick up Ziggy. Both would start, unless one of those young Dlinemen we already have steps up. I'm looking for Darby to step up this year with his buddy Petersen now on the roster.

Raji isn't going to be there at 12. Most mocks have him in the top 5-6 right now and he's done nothing to make his stock slip all the way to 12. I would be happy with that haul for our first 2 rounds though, if it played out that way. Starting QB, DT, OT (potentially at OG, but still starting), and MLB. 4 starters in the first two rounds would be fantastic.

Sorry about that flawed logic Clevelander!

Raji isn't going to be there at 12. Most mocks have him in the top 5-6 right now and he's done nothing to make his stock slip all the way to 12. I would be happy with that haul for our first 2 rounds though, if it played out that way. Starting QB, DT, OT (potentially at OG, but still starting), and MLB. 4 starters in the first two rounds would be fantastic.
Top 5? only if Seattle takes him. I think he goes at 8 or 9:

#1 - Stafford
#2 - Smith
#3 - Curry
#4 - Monroe/Raji
#5 - Orakpo
#6 - Crabtree/Monroe
#7 - Maclin
#8 - Crabtree/Raji/Monroe
#9 - Maybin/Raji
#10 - Sanchez/Smith

However, a lot of those teams could go a different direction. I could see him going #4, I could also see him slip to #12. Aaron Rodgers slipped from top 5 to the 20's remember.

I only listened to it briefly, but Valenti just said that there is a Denver/Detroit/Cleveland 3 way deal in place that would land Cutler here. It obviously hasn't gone through yet, but they're in talks about it.

No!
No!
NO!

I was thinking of Raji at 4 or 5, I thought it was fairly certain that one of those teams was going to grab him. Especially because the Seahawks traded for Redding and immediately said he was going to start at DE and was not considered a DT for them.

Tahoe, may I ask why, at the right price, you wouldn't want Cutler? Forget about the supposed attitude problem for a second and remember he made the pro bowl on a pretty bad team...

Any ideas on what would be given up in this trade? What # is the Browns pick, 5?

Lions give up:
#1, #33, #82
Get:
#5, Cutler

Browns give up:
#5, Quinn
Get:
#1, #82

Denver gives up:
Cutler
Gets:
Quinn, #33

Something doesn't seem right there....
Maybe you take #82 out of this all together and put in Anderson for Quinn? I don't know, I'm not very good at this but wanted to get something out there for people to fix.

edit: forgot to add italicized part the first time.

^^Cleveland probably wouldn't do that...

They didn't know the deal, they just heard the three teams were in talks. So everyone was trying to come up with what the deal might be. I don't think the #1 was included, though, for monetary reasons.

^^Cleveland probably wouldn't do that...

why not? depends on who they want in the draft. If they want Orakpo, no way they do it. If they want Curry (who will be gone at #3), then maybe they do.

They'd also shed Quinn's contract too.

^^I believe Quinn is more of an asset to them than a liability right now.

I agree, but is Curry and #83 more of an asset than Quinn and Orapko?

That's what I was doubting, but really, I can't say.

Well, Quinn has a 5 year $30 million contract right now. Obviously the bump from #5 to #1 would result in a larger contract.

Probably 5 years 60 mil for the #1 vs 5 years 35 mil for a #5 pick (these are estimates on last years deals with slight raises).

Basically they'd get an extra 1 mil a year, then subtract the #83 pick salary. So money is basically a wash in this trade senario for them.

It just comes down to having Curry and #83 instead of Orapko and a big money QB on the bench.

However, that QB on the bench is still an asset if someone loses their QB to injury.

My guess is no deal, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

Tahoe, may I ask why, at the right price, you wouldn't want Cutler? Forget about the supposed attitude problem for a second and remember he made the pro bowl on a pretty bad team...

Attitude aside, at the right price, I would take him.

It wasn't McShay or Morty but I heard someone one ESPN last night say 2 (as in TWO) 1st round picks or a QB and a future 1st for Cutler. If thats the price, I want nothing to do with some baby like him.

Its hard to take out all the crap that went on. Thats prolly my biggest problem with him. The drinking while have the beetus isn't a good thing, but I have no idea if all of that is true. I've ended up feeling like most of the drama that was going on over the last month with him and Denver is Cuts fault.

We don't need ANY drama.

We didn't have any drama last year. I missed Bly and Baby. Just win baby.

^ And I'd like to keep it that way. I don't know that much about Cut in Denver. I've read he is kind of a dick and then I read he is a good teammate.

I guess he could be both.

I'm just thinking starting fresh with a draft choice is the way to go.

Attitude aside, at the right price, I would take him.

It wasn't McShay or Morty but I heard someone one ESPN last night say 2 (as in TWO) 1st round picks or a QB and a future 1st for Cutler. If thats the price, I want nothing to do with some baby like him.

Its hard to take out all the crap that went on. Thats prolly my biggest problem with him. The drinking while have the beetus isn't a good thing, but I have no idea if all of that is true. I've ended up feeling like most of the drama that was going on over the last month with him and Denver is Cuts fault.

We don't need ANY drama.

No doubt, that asking price is way way too much.

Since when is Quinn going to be a high priced backup? He's their starter. Anderson is the backup.

^Mangini says it's open competition in training camp

No doubt, that asking price is way way too much.

What would you give for him? I have no idea really what I'd do, but just wondering what you thought.

Tom Lewand

Did you catch his interview?

I'd probably prefer 20 and 82, and I would consider going as high as 20 and 65, but I'd have to hold firm at that (plus maybe something real late). We need to stick to building a team through the draft as we have planned, and if we have to give up bunch of picks, then I'd rather just take Stafford.

I don't necessarily see giving up that little as a realistic option right now, but I didn't say it was realistic, that's just what I feel would be good value without still mortgaging the future of the team. If we have to give up more, then just take Stafford, eliminate the attitude, the diabetes, and the added years when Stafford has every tool Cutler does...

Since when is Quinn going to be a high priced backup? He's their starter. Anderson is the backup.

Doesn't matter. One sits on the bench. That's money not spent on another position.

Tom Lewand...Did you catch his interview Glenn?

I bet GD missed the interview cuz he was getting his ass chewed for forgetting the cover sheets on his TPS reports

Yep, missed it.

Not being a Lions fan didn't help.

You will be won over. You will forget about that other team.

Some guy from the Denver Post said Snyder (Skins) has his hands in this. They have Campbell to trade and Snyder can snake most things from the league it seems.

Michael Lombardi said the Jets issued a no comment and they will bid Cutler up and the Skins are never afraid to pay.

Good news, the Lions will NOT give up the future for Cut, imo anyway, when they have a choice between Stafford and Sanchez.

The more I read about Sanchez (and his supposedly fantastic workout), the more I like him. Too bad we couldn't trade back to the 7-8 spot and grab him.

The more I read about Sanchez (and his supposedly fantastic workout), the more I like him. Too bad we couldn't trade back to the 7-8 spot and grab him.

Keep in mind the guy has only started 16 games at USC. Doesn't mean he's a bust, but there is a big uncertainty with him too.

Not to mention guys like Lienart looked very good at USC and haven't done shit since. They have superior talent around their QBs there.

Sanchez has a gun for an arm, similar to Cutler, IMO.

Ryan Leaf had a gun for an arm. So did Jeff George and Drew Bledsoe.

I have no idea how Sanchez will turn out.

Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) owner Pat Bowlen released a statement Tuesday saying both he and coach Josh McDaniels had been unable to get quarterback Jay Cutler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9597) to call them back over the past 10 days.
As a result, the team has decided to trade Cutler, who they are convinced "no longer has any desire to play for the Denver Broncos."
Cutler and his agent have a different spin on the story, NFL senior analyst Chris Mortensen reports. Asked by text message whether Bowlen has directly tried to contact him, Cutler replied, "No."
His agent, Bus Cook, said the Broncos first got in touch with him on Tuesday.
"The perception that they've been burning the phone lines the last 10 days is wrong," Cook said. "In fact, the other day I asked Jay if he had heard from them and he said, 'no.' I didn't hear from them until yesterday [Tuesday] morning when [GM] Brian Xanders called me and said that Mr. Bowlen needs to speak with Jay now. I told him all I can do is leave Jay a message.

"I didn't reach Jay directly -- I don't know what he was doing -- but I left a message. Then Brian called at the end of the day and asked me if I had heard from him. I hadn't. I heard from Jay when he called to tell me he just saw on TV he was being traded. They can spin it the way they want to spin it."


I thought it was pretty shitty of Cutler to ignore Bolan's calls (if they were really made). Sounds like Bolan has not tried to contact him for 10 days.

May have been trying to contact him via agent, and the agent is running the show right now on both sides of things.


Keep in mind the guy has only started 16 games at USC. Doesn't mean he's a bust, but there is a big uncertainty with him too.
I've said that's my only drawback with him, otherwise he'd probably be the big debated #1 pick at the moment and not Cutler.


Not to mention guys like Lienart looked very good at USC and haven't done shit since. They have superior talent around their QBs there.
Leinart hasn't done much since going pro, if anything, but he's also shown that he can't get past the party-boy personality. That has been a part of his issues, I'd imagine. Carson Palmer came out of USC and he's doing fantastic, because he has the mindset to be a stud NFL QB. There's no way of knowing with Sanchez right now.

Keep in mind the guy has only started 16 games at USC. Doesn't mean he's a bust, but there is a big uncertainty with him too.

Not to mention guys like Lienart looked very good at USC and haven't done shit since. They have superior talent around their QBs there.

Mayock thinks he's a safe pick. I can't think of what they are right now, but I'll post them as he repeats them.

He said last night that Sanchez does not have the upside that Staff has but he thinks hes safer.

fwiw..basically a bunch of regurgitated bullshit.

I think Sanzhez is safer, but not safe. Lots of guys have good years in college then regress the next year (when maybe a great WR leaves the team). hard to say whether he's a one year wonder or not.

That's why, at this point, I wouldn't feel comfortable taking him #1, but in the 7-10 range he might be worth the risk.

Its all about how they evaluate Staff vs Sanchez. Negotiate with both and see who is cheaper if they are about the same.

Thats if they want a QB at 1.

If they said to Sanchez "you're the #2 QB in this draft, but we're willing to give you the money you'd get at the #5 spot AND the prestige of being the 1st overall pick" and he accepted, would you take him over Stafford if you had them rated pretty much even?

BTW...Lewand was asked about the Cutler situation on Tirico's show yesterday and he said..."Its nice cuz we have options for QB"

What that means to me is Snyder bids Cut way up, they aren't interested. They have a choice of any QB they want in the draft.

Who knows, the Lions might have already made a standing offer of 20 or something.

180 Yes, I'd take Sanchez

Sanchez is climbing. You can see it on some boards already.

If they said to Sanchez "you're the #2 QB in this draft, but we're willing to give you the money you'd get at the #5 spot AND the prestige of being the 1st overall pick" and he accepted, would you take him over Stafford if you had them rated pretty much even?

No. I want the best QB in the draft (whether that is Sanzhez or Stafford). If I have to pay a little more for that so be it.

^ Prolly true

These pro days shouldn't be changing opinions... if we take a QB I hope it's Stafford.

These pro days shouldn't be changing opinions... if we take a QB I hope it's Stafford.

Why do you say that, DrRay?

Let me rephrase that... they should only reaffirm opinions and possibly notice flaws. Without pads, defenses, largely scripted throws, etc. A lot of guys can look great in this situation.

FYI - Washington is stupid if they do the Campbell/2009 1st/2010 1st for Cutler. They're bailing Denver out. Denver has to trade Cutler now, the relationship is ruined. If I were an NFL team, I wouldn't offer anything more than a first or a starting QB/2nd.

Anything else is too much.

Hope it happens as a Denver (and Lions) fan. That is a lot for a guy who forced their hand.

Denver could get Raji and Cushing and go a long way to rebuilding that defense.

Jay Cutler and Kristin Cavallari -- IT'S OVER! (http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/25/kristin-cavellari-jay-cutler-the-hills-chicago-bears-quarterback-break-up-split/)

Love the photo.

Dude's so fugly (NTTAWWT). Makes me look like Brady or something. Good for him that he's even able to pull tail like that though.