Rumor has it that WDFN will drop all local programming and just have ESPN radio all day. Looks like we are down to 1 sports station.

any source mikey?

http://atriumforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2847

I pray to God this doesn't happen.

97.1 ISN'T a sports station. All their shows & hosts are complete bullshit.

http://atriumforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2847


That post is from July.


I'll shoot an e-mail to Baligian.

I hate 97.1's open lines all day style not to mention how they hang up on so many people and complain if the call disagree's with their points of view.

I hate 97.1's open lines all day style not to mention how they hang up on so many people and complain if the call disagree's with their points of view.


Agreed.

That is why if WDFN goes, this city will have ZERO local sports talk stations.

Muhme would comment but he can't find the thread with all these forums.

Remember last year when I had an argument with either Denny or Fool about how I thought Colin Cowherd was right when he said Detroit would have trouble supporting four major sports franchises because the city was about to head into the total shit zone?

And now Detroit can't even support its' newspapers, more than ONE sports talk station (Omaha, Ne-fucking-braska supports THREE), and the major industries that built Michigan up are about to go belly up. This fucking city, and this fucking state are about to die, and it has been happpening for 30 fucking years. Lights out for Michigan, ladies.

Yes Zip. Detroit is the only city in which newspapers are folding and sports radio is cutting back. Clear Channel, the company that owns WDFN is going syndicated programming nationwide. All because of Detroit and Detroit alone.

Colin Cowherd. That's who you take your economic news from.

The expected cuts are tomorrow so we will see if the rumors are true.

Yes Zip. Detroit is the only city in which newspapers are folding and sports radio is cutting back. Clear Channel, the company that owns WDFN is going syndicated programming nationwide. All because of Detroit and Detroit alone.

Colin Cowherd. That's who you take your economic news from.

Wellll, and he's doing quite well, is he not? You and the rest of Detroit can hold on to some dreamy vision of the past and you have Mitch Albom's sappy self-serving Hallmark card writing ass to bolster you, but Detroit is about to go legs up. Who knows? Maybe a miracle will happen when the last UAW loyalist is laid off and the lights finally go out at GM, Chrysler and Ford, and people there will finally get it and come up with something other than hoping the taxpayers bail them out of a self-created mess.

WTF are you even talking about? You have zero clue what "people here" are doing.

WTF are you even talking about? You have zero clue what "people here" are doing.

Yes I do: They're box hunting so they can pack their shit up and move out.

Shouldn't that be in your Morning Pile of Shit article?

Henson's blog


January 16, 2009
Clear Channel bloodbath is WDFN toast?

The New York Post is reporting that Clear Channel Communications is about to wax a lot of employees starting this Tuesday.

"Clear Channel was built through a series of acquisitions that generally weren't consolidated very well," said one source, alluding to the late '90s buying spree that put more than 1,000 stations under the Clear Channel umbrella, making it the nation's largest radio company.

It is no secret that Clear Channel is financially challenged and the new owners are about to slice the 30,000 person workforce massively. In Detroit Clear Channel owns 1130 and 1310 AM, 97.9 and 93.1 as well as 100.3 and 95.5. Look for all the stations to consolidate staff and for many well known names to lose their jobs.

I think WDFN is a goner, I've been hearing rumors for months that WDFN would let go of the entire air staff and flip the switch to and ESPN branded version of 1130 and why not, management gave up the fight long ago to WXYT. Stoney and Wojo are under contract but it wouldn't surprise me if they were bought out much the same way Jamie Samuelsen was dispatched a year ago. I expect most of the support staff will also be let go including the Programming and Production staffs. WDFN could soon become a radio station run by a computer in a closet, nice and cheap.

It isn't a coincidence that ESPN revamped its lineup just this week, is it to attempt to appeal to a whole boatload of Clear Channel sports stations converting to the ESPN brand? You bet!

Most local music Air Personalities will be lost in Detroit with the exception of a very few. The only survivors will be the Morning Show and some of them won't be saved.

Just yesterday it was reported that the new PD at WKQI would be a woman from New York who would fly in a couple days a week and grace Detroit with her presence. Face it, Clear Channel NEVER cared about local radio and the call SHOULD get louder to break up these big companies that aren't serving the local audience. What Clear Channel has done to local radio is criminal and they shouldn't be allowed to have a monopoly.

What is even more sad is that Clear Channel is planning "Black Tuesday" to coincide with the Inauguration of Barack Obama in the hopes that the media will be looking the other way.

WDFN is still on the air.

Thankfully.

I've never been so happy to hear Rob Otto's voice.

Now that the distractio... er... Inaugration is underway, Clear Channel will probably feel safe to make their move.

Sean Beligian was let go. According to himself via facebook.

[smilie=cry.gif]

Russ McNamara wrote:
Its over. Everything the other guy said was right. Everyone is gone.
WDFN as you know it is over.

Stoney says to you and everyone on the board thanks for the support.
:emo kid:

http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/mlib/1128/07/t_1128_1153407325.jpg

Say it ain't so.

The Leukemia/Lymphoma Society loses, too.

Everyone loses.

That's very unfortunate.

I feel bad for Matt Dery, Rob Otto, Baligian & co.

They did an outstanding job and it's a shame this happened so quickly.

R.I.P. WDFN

Web site down.

The worst part is that they never made any sort of announcement about the cancellation on the air they just started airing Chris Myers.

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/1128/01/1128_1232476260.jpg

I listen to this shit every day on the way home on XM.

It's tolerable when Myers/Farnham are there but the fill ins are terrible.

Derek Deese, Lincoln Kennedy, Denny Hocking, all ex-jocks that shouldn't even be in radio.

Change...

well that bites.

Is Andrew Siciliano still going to be on late evenings?

I can 'tolerate' him when I'm at school...

Siciliano has the 6-10pm slot, I think, and then they have JT The Brick and then Big Ben Maller.

So who's going to be doing the pistons pre-game and post-game?

I would assume Diesel would he was doing updates still, so they may be keeping him around.

Web site down.

Probably in part due to the existence of a forum.

We should steal their posters.

both of them?

We should've told the people on their message board to come here.

They actually have some quality ppl over there (Boba Fet).

He's got his own board now.

WTF?!?!

I turned to the WDFN today to get some feedback on the Rip benching and heard the national crap. This sucks. We need a grassroots effort....

We should've told the people on their message board to come here.

They actually have some quality ppl over there (Boba Fet).

You can't make this crap up.

http://gregghenson.typepad.com/gregg_hensoncom/2009/01/some-thoughts-about-wdfn-and-clear-channel.html

Interesting read on the demise of WDFN.

Nice read.

I wonder how much longer 95.5 will be on the air.

It would be interesting to see if somebody from the station goes internet radio. such as the channels on iTunes Radio. I listen to Technicolor Web of Sound at work all the time. Shit's pretty high quality with almost no overhead as compared to a traditional station.

Other than in your car, you'd be able to listen to it all the time (as long as you have an internet connection, so I suppose half of Detroit would be SOL).

Muhme is probably happy he picked up some long-term job security.

Now that 97.1 has the market completely covered, they can do whatever the hell they want and not have to worry about appealing to listeners.

I may have to look into Sirius or XM.

I'm listening to the syndicated WDFN right now, and Dan Patrick's show is pretty dry.

Give me some Colin Cowherd!

It sucks that this happened, but WDFN has been on the decline for the last couple of years. Jamie and Brady was a great show and when they got rid of that it was over. Shep just can't handle the load himself. Stoney and Wojo got way too repetitive in the late stages.

97.1 is okay to listen to in short bursts. Open phone lines all day gets very annoying, though. Most of the people that call in are idiots.

We should go over the the WDFN message boards and steal their posters.

We should steal their posters.


We should've told the people on their message board to come here.



We should go over the the WDFN message boards and steal their posters.


Ledezma never reads posts

I do like Steve Czaban's morning show quite a bit.

(I've stolen some schticks from there like "MANCRUSH")

And if you like the NFL, Chris Myers' show spends about 90% of their time on that, year-round.

It just isn't right that they were allowed to just sweep aside 15 years of what had become part of the fabric of the area, just like that.

Muhme is probably happy he picked up some long-term job security.

Now that 97.1 has the market completely covered, they can do whatever the hell they want and not have to worry about appealing to listeners.

I may have to look into Sirius or XM.

I'm listening to the syndicated WDFN right now, and Dan Patrick's show is pretty dry.

Give me some Colin Cowherd!

I really hate that this happened. It was good for us to have two sports stations here in the city. Obviously, over the past year since switching to FM, DFN hasnt been a concern for us as we have had to broaden our listener base. Yet, it was still good for us to have a choice.

Now, there is a positive for you guys... FSR is amazing and IMO the best sports talk radio option for anyone. Czaban is terrific and they are slotted with great hosts, show ideas and they do not stroke the teams like ESPN does. I think the hardcore sports fan will enjoy them IF they give it a chance.

Now, on to you guys bashing my station and its format. I will start this by saying that I cannot speak for all the shows. I deal directly with Valenti and Foster... You guys that say you hate open lines need to start listening more and give it a chance, because WE SAY open lines DOESNT MEAN it is open lines. We say open lines to get people calling in, however our screener and hosts weed out what is talked about. 9 times out of 10 we are talking about what the majority of our listening audience is talking about. Granted, it is easy to say we arent a sports station anymore, because sports talk radio rarely exists. We are more of a guy talk station with a heavy sports influence. With our show (again, I do not know how the other shows operate, prep or get their material) we usually like to have 4-6 sports topics and 2-3 fun/guy topics to use throughout the day.

Now, if you guys want to talk Pistons and call in when we're talking Lions/Tigers... You will get in... but what we have totally cut out is the idiot callers. If you cannot communicate, state an opinion, defend your opinion, carry on some form of dialect with the hosts...then you will get cut off and blasted off the air. We are trying to get as many people on that are able to take a stance on something, defend their point and communicate without sounding like their wife is beating them in the background. Also, we do not do the whole question and answer shit... if you have a question about something...forget it... you wont ever get on...

However, if you just dont like the hosts...which of course nobody is going to like every lineup on the radio...then you wont listen... but if it is a format issue... I hope you guys give it another shot... at least our show (Valenti and Foster)

...anyways, I hated seeing DFN go as well... I knew some guys over there and i knew they did a good job. Henson hit a lot of it in his blog spot on, and I am honestly shocked it took this long for this to happen.

It just isn't right that they were allowed to just sweep aside 15 years of what had become part of the fabric of the area, just like that.
I agree. I hope that S&W and a few of the others resurface in the market somewhere, although I doubt it since the salaries that they would likely command most likely aren't going to be palatable at the surviving terrestrial stations.

I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I get depressed when I think about not being able to listen to S&W anymore, even though I stopped being a regular listener when I moved to the West side of the state back in 2001.

Some of that shit used to just crack me the hell up. I listened to their show just as much for the entertainment as I did for the local sports info.

I'll miss the drops, for sure.

Related reading...

Clear Channel cuts slash on-air talent at WDFN (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090121/ENT10/901210399/1435/SPORTS07)
DetNews.com, MI - 11 hours ago
Among the shows axed at WDFN were Sean Baligian's "It Is What It Is" from 9 am to noon and the afternoon drive-time "Stoney and Wojo" show, with Mike Stone ...
Mike Stone, others from WDFN react to layoffs (http://www.freep.com/article/20090120/SPORTS18/90120095/?imw=Y)
Detroit Free Press, United States - 13 hours ago
Clear Channel now will air nationally syndicated Fox Sports Radio programs on WDFN. The changes started Tuesday afternoon. The station’s Web page said it ...
Stoney and Wojo react to WDFN layoffs (http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/01/stoney_and_wojo_react_to_wdfn.html)
MLive.com, MI - 16 hours ago
For sport fans that have listened to Mike Stone, and the Stoney and Wojo Show, for the many years they have been on WDFN, this is a sad day. ...
Local sports shows cut at WDFN (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090120/SPORTS07/901200419&imw=Y)
DetNews.com, MI - 18 hours ago
The parent company of WDFN 1130 made sweeping cuts and a major programming change to the Detroit sports talk radio station Tuesday, eliminating local shows ...
WDFN cuts local staff, reportedly will go all-syndicated (http://www.freep.com/article/20090120/SPORTS18/90120095/1048/sports/WDFN+cuts+local+staff++reportedly+will+go+all-syndicated)
Detroit Free Press, United States - 19 hours ago
Detroit sports radio station WDFN-AM (1130) made major cuts to its local programming today and will go to an all-syndicated daily format, several people ...

I have a strong feeling stoney and wojo will re-surface on WXYT after the 90-day non compete period.

I recall they tried to steal them away from WDFN a couple years ago when they were up for a new contract.

Can WXYT really afford to pay them what they'd want?

I guess time will tell.

Clearchannel is paying them not to work for the next 3 years. I don't think WXYT would have to pony up much.

Cut Valenti. He deserves it after gloating like an asshole over WDFN doing under.

They should get rid of that god-awful morning show on WXYT.

Jay fucking Towers & Bill McAllister are BRUTAL!

75% of the time, they don't even talk sports.

I remember when I was in grade school listening to Jay Towers on 93.1 DRQ on the schoolbus, he was a fag then, and he's a fag now...

If you had Baligian do 6AM-10AM on WXYT...I think the EVERYBODY would be happy.

Guys, do you look at the ratings anymore?

Stoney and Wojo's ratings and fanbase had hit a major wall...especially for what they were getting paid.

I would put a ton of money on the issue that they (together) will not resurface on XYT together.

...also, cut Valenti? Drop the #1 host in the 25-54 male demo in afternoon drive? Not going to happen.

Nobody with half a brain would think twice about cutting valenti loose. He's highly disliked.

His show is #1 because of the fm signal. Nothing more.

WDFN's declining ratings had much more to do with horrendous mismanagement than an the on-air talent.

Nobody with half a brain would think twice about cutting valenti loose. He's highly disliked.

His show is #1 because of the fm signal. Nothing more.

WDFN's declining ratings had much more to do with horrendous mismanagement than an the on-air talent.
You're not serious are you? I know that he is not liked by all...but for you to say he is highly disliked is asinine.

...furthermore to credit that shows success to an FM signal is even more laughable.

...are you familiar with radio ratings and what Valenti and Foster are doing? You dont just come in and dominate a target demographic like they do just because you have an FM signal.

Again, I get you may dislike him and the show... but they have proven over and over and over again that comments like you just made are false.

Cut Valenti. He deserves it after gloating like an asshole over WDFN doing under.

Could you link me to this... I know the guy really really well and this is nothing Mike was gloating over.

...however, he was gloating about the idiots that were saying his show couldnt beat S&W and he would never topple DFN.

But to gloat about that station going under is false. It helps us to have DFN around...to a point

...however, he was gloating about the idiots that were saying his show couldnt beat S&W and he would never topple DFN.


It didn't. WDFN ran themselves into the ground.

Put Stoney and Wojo on equal footing and they would be #1 in the market again, as they were in their heyday.

Valenti is pretty universally hated. He gets ratings because of WXYT's FM signal, but only because there's no alternative. It doesn't mean people actually like him.

If WXYT was serious about maximizing their on-air talent, they'd make a pitch for stoney and wojo.

Valenti rolls hard. Most great radio voices in that demo are assholes. You think anyone wants to hang with Stern? Valenti talks shit and backs most of it up, he knows a shitload about college sports, and a good bit of it trickles into the pros. His pro hoops takes are poor, but I can live with that since Foster next to him knows plenty of real tangible info having been around the league for so long.


I didn't even know one thing about 97.1 before I moved over here 6 months ago besides Mumhe went to bowling matches with Wolverines. By the time DFN went off the air I only flipped to them while XYT was on commercial. All their staff was god awful besides Sean, and he was only good in 15 minute pieces. I'd never call into the radio, but I sure as shit never had anything to call into DFN for besides to correct some of those dopes. No loss to me.

The problem people have with valenti is the same problem people have with the rest of 1270: they don't know shit about anything except football.

For all of WDFN's faults, they actually had a well-rounded staff. They had guys who knew hockey, baseball, basketball, etc.

It's insulting for me to tune in to 1270 for anything piston-related. They are beyond terrible. Valenti is the worst in that regard, but he's far from alone.

For those of you that don't listen to WXYT's hoops talk, just look over the next langolis Q&A session. It's more or less the same shit. The comments are that fucking bad.

You're making it obvious you never give our station a shot... Fair enough... and because a host doesnt homer THE LOCAL team... doesnt mean they're wrong.

For those of you that don't listen to WXYT's hoops talk, just look over the next langolis Q&A session. It's more or less the same shit. The comments are that fucking bad.


80% of the callers are god awful, but so are 80% of message board posters, so I can deal with that and I haven't listened to Valenti enough to get an idea where he gets some of his takes from (The pistons are a below average franchise, Rip is not a top 15 shooting guard, Stuckey hasn't lived up to his hype......), but he knows the players around the league and it's better than listening to someone with no opinions, or those that change from day to day.

I agree the football overload is the biggest fault there by far. Why in January are we spending an hour talking about the same #1 draft pick we had last month and will still have in 3 months? (I know Muhme, cause people call in to talk about it).

I agree the football overload is the biggest fault there by far. Why in January are we spending an hour talking about the same #1 draft pick we had last month and will still have in 3 months? (I know Muhme, cause people call in to talk about it).
I hate it... we have put the kabosh on that... at least on our show.

80% of the callers are god awful,

Also, we're trying to fix that issue on Valenti and Foster... We have received a lot of positive feedback about it recently actually

You're making it obvious you never give our station a shot... Fair enough... and because a host doesnt homer THE LOCAL team... doesnt mean they're wrong.

What, do you think I worked for WDFN or something? I have no reason to NOT give the ticket a shot. I DID give them a shot, and my ears are still paying for it to this day. It's the worst basketball-related discussion I've ever heard.

Not homering a team and hating them outright for the sake of shock value are two different things...valenti is definitely the latter.

Also, what he knows about basketball could fit in a freaking thimble. There is not a single host in their entire station that can carry on a conversation abut the NBA without completely ruining it.

One way or the other, the guy is absolutely clueless when it comes to anything except football.

If I liked football, and nothing BUT football, then yeah the ticket might appeal to me. But their station is so linear that people that like a different sport first (not exclusively, but first), get turned off by it very quickly.

Muhme, what do you think the chances of Baligian ending up over there at some point? He's really the only one I'm depressed about. I love his show and Valenti & Foster's for different reasons.

Valenti goes to the practices.

J/K Muhme. Glad it didn't happen to 97.1 and that you still have a job. Times are tough to be looking for work.

Muhme, what do you think the chances of Baligian ending up over there at some point? He's really the only one I'm depressed about. I love his show and Valenti & Foster's for different reasons.
I have always been a fan of Sean's show. However, I do not think there is a shot of him coming here. He would have to change his broadcast style completely and take 6p shift.

Our lineup from 6a-6p is doing very well in the ratings and after all our shakeups the past year... I think they are settled for now.

I'd be shocked if they picked him up for a weekend shift. However, I wouldnt rule it out...

What, do you think I worked for WDFN or something? I have no reason to NOT give the ticket a shot. I DID give them a shot, and my ears are still paying for it to this day. It's the worst basketball-related discussion I've ever heard.

Not homering a team and hating them outright for the sake of shock value are two different things...valenti is definitely the latter.

Also, what he knows about basketball could fit in a freaking thimble. There is not a single host in their entire station that can carry on a conversation abut the NBA without completely ruining it.

One way or the other, the guy is absolutely clueless when it comes to anything except football.

If I liked football, and nothing BUT football, then yeah the ticket might appeal to me. But their station is so linear that people that like a different sport first (not exclusively, but first), get turned off by it very quickly.
Cool, when you listen to the show for more than a week... I will come back and actually have some form of discussion with you. Until then, enjoy Meyers

I don't like that crap either.

I simply don't have a Detroit sports radio station to listen to anymore. There's no other alternative.

I suspect a lot of people feel the same way as I.

I have always been a fan of Sean's show. However, I do not think there is a shot of him coming here. He would have to change his broadcast style completely and take 6p shift.

Our lineup from 6a-6p is doing very well in the ratings and after all our shakeups the past year... I think they are settled for now.

I'd be shocked if they picked him up for a weekend shift. However, I wouldnt rule it out...

thanks, and that really sucks

keep up the good work over there.....your show is all I have now

Yeah, the nice thing about WDFN for a Piston fan is that they had a vested interest in talking about them and having Pistons-related guests on.

Yeah, the nice thing about WDFN for a Piston fan is that they had a vested interest in talking about them and having Pistons-related guests on.

Yep. That's the main reason why I listened to stoney and wojo and sean b.

The ticket really could give a shit about the pistons. They have ASB on every now and then, but even he can't save the dreadful lack of basketball knowledge the hosts have. They completely waste him by asking the dumbest question imaginable.

Yeah, the nice thing about WDFN for a Piston fan is that they had a vested interest in talking about them and having Pistons-related guests on.
Things might be different next year... The Pistons cannot be happy with their signal throughout the metro area on DFN...now this

BTW, if the ticket had a clue, they'd hire Sean B. for their red wing coverage. God forbid they actually employ one hockey lifer on the flagship for the detroit red wings.

Things might be different next year... The Pistons cannot be happy with their signal throughout the metro area on DFN...now this


That means nothing, really.

If the ticket ever picks up the Pistons, it is no guarentee that they will all of a sudden amp up their NBA coverage.

Look at the red wings. They don't treat them any better.

Yeah, they'll have a pre-and post-game show, but beyond that I doubt it's going to cause them to change some of their on-air talent (which is what they would really need to change things).

My biggest problem with 97.1 has to be the fact that every time I listen, which was usually during Rome, I would here callers getting hung up on mid call. They never really include the caller in the discussion, it's always state your business and then you get cut off so the hosts can say what is wrong with your opinion on most every call.

My biggest problem with 97.1 has to be the fact that every time I listen, which was usually during Rome, I would here callers getting hung up on mid call. They never really include the caller in the discussion, it's always state your business and then you get cut off so the hosts can say what is wrong with your opinion on most every call.
that might be how the mid-day show handles their stuff... I am not sure, I do not work on their show. Valenti and Foster isnt like that at all unless someone cusses, pimps some product, or goes off about some bullshit.

We have changed a lot the past 6 months... even the past 3... so if you guys are basing your opinions off of a year ago or even half a year ago... you should give it another listen...

(and again, I am only speaking of Valenti and Foster)

That means nothing, really.

If the ticket ever picks up the Pistons, it is no guarentee that they will all of a sudden amp up their NBA coverage.

Look at the red wings. They don't treat them any better.

Yeah, they'll have a pre-and post-game show, but beyond that I doubt it's going to cause them to change some of their on-air talent (which is what they would really need to change things).
Nobody calls in or wants to talk Red Wing Hockey until playoff time. We always get calls when we talk about the Pistons. It would be different.

I love your petitioning for 97.1, Muhme. I'll probably have to try it even if I don't want to. Hopefully, I'll learn to tolerate it more. I'll never like Caputo though.

I don't like the "just give it a chance" angle when most of us GAVE it a chance.

Try actually pitching the show to people, namely basketball fans, which have always been the biggest demographic alienated by 1270.

Why is it any different than it was last year or any of the years before that?

Ledezma never reads posts

Wiz, I expect better from you. Every chance I have to take a shot at Wil, you know I'm going to take it.

Wizzle just got :motowned:

I love your petitioning for 97.1, Muhme. I'll probably have to try it even if I don't want to. Hopefully, I'll learn to tolerate it more. I'll never like Caputo though.
No, I pimped FSR in my first post here... I am just trying to inform you guys on how the show is... and all my posts are geared towards Mike and Terry. Not Caputo, Karsch, Towers etc...

No, I pimped FSR in my first post here... I am just trying to inform you guys on how the show is... and all my posts are geared towards Mike and Terry. Not Caputo, Karsch, Towers etc...

I know, I'm just stating my dislike of Caputo.

I know, I'm just stating my dislike of Caputo.
I get that a lot, lol.

Wiz, I expect better from you. Every chance I have to take a shot at Wil, you know I'm going to take it.

yeah, it was long after I posted that I realized what you did there......I'm a failure

yeah, it was long after I posted that I realized what you did there......I'm a failure

We all have bad days, I mean, just look at Bubbles, for example.

We all have bad days, I mean, just look at Bubbles, for example.
lmfao @ the bubbles blast

yeah, it was long after I posted that I realized what you did there......I'm a failure

That's the only mistake I've ever seen you make, Wiz. So you get a free pass for being Wizzle.

The WDFN most of the people are talking about was the old one. The new one (the last 8 years) is pretty bad. S&W used to be my favorite show but they have pretty much mailed it in for the past 8 years. The morning show which I didn't listen too was brutal. Matt Shepard talked down on you like he was your dad. Sean B was ok for segments at a time but he badly needed a cohost.

The mid to late 90's were the glory years. They had Art Regner and Terry Foster on every night until 10 pm. They had Sean Baligian, Pat Caputo, and Eric Pate. The morning show was a rotating door with Mark Wilson and Rob Parker. Gregg Henson and Jamie Samuelsson doing midday. The airstaff had a lot of talent back then and they were creative and tried very hard. As the years went by (I'm sure we are all guilty with this), we tend to mail it in. WDFN has mailed it in and it cost them.

Again, the mismanagement of the station is what ultimately cost them. They made some god-awful decisions with who ran that station. Gregg Henson pretty much nailed what killed WDFN in his blog.

Management chose not to aggressively compete with 1270 like they did in their heyday.

The WDFN most of the people are talking about was the old one. The new one (the last 8 years) is pretty bad. S&W used to be my favorite show but they have pretty much mailed it in for the past 8 years. The morning show which I didn't listen too was brutal. Matt Shepard talked down on you like he was your dad. Sean B was ok for segments at a time but he badly needed a cohost.

The mid to late 90's were the glory years. They had Art Regner and Terry Foster on every night until 10 pm. They had Sean Baligian, Pat Caputo, and Eric Pate. The morning show was a rotating door with Mark Wilson and Rob Parker. Gregg Henson and Jamie Samuelsson doing midday. The airstaff had a lot of talent back then and they were creative and tried very hard. As the years went by (I'm sure we are all guilty with this), we tend to mail it in. WDFN has mailed it in and it cost them.
Tierny was the best... I fucking loved his show.

Tierny was garbage but Mike Myers is all over this shit with correctness.

Tierny was garbage but Mike Myers is all over this shit with correctness.
Not a fan of BT? Damn... havent came across one of you guys in a long time. Loved BT.

His style was very reminiscent of Valenti's though so I'm not surprised you are a fan.

I really liked BT too. He was one of those rare transplanted NYers that didn't come across like he thought he was better than you.

Cutting him loose was one in a long line of terrible decisions.

I will say that now that WDFN has cut all their talent, WXYT can do 24 hour sports radio if they wanted to because their are quality guys out there. I think putting S&W on at 10 am and moving Karsch/Anderson to the night shift would be ideal. Have someone like Sean Baligian doing 10pm-2am and then have someone like Fithian etc... do the 2-5 am shift. The problem would be the weekend. You would have to hire 5-6 hosts just to cover that.

I do recall during wxyt early days on FM, they tried a 24 hour local sports channel.

That would be quite the lineup. I'd actually be very pleased if something like that were to happen. Sadly it is very unlikely I would assume.

Best Detroit Sports Radio Personalities

Sean Baligian
Mike Stone
Bob Wojnowki
Scott Anderson
Terry Foster
Rob Pascoe
Matt Dery
Rob Otto
Larry Lee


Marginal Detroit Sports Radio Personalities

Mike Valenti
Matt Shepherd
Clarence Black


AWFUL Detroit Sports Radio Peronalities

Jamie Samuelssen
Art Regner
Doug Karsch
Dennis Fithian
Pat Caputo
Jeff Riger


Neither Jay Towers nor Bill McAllister are sports radio personalities as far as I'm concerned...so I won't even include those two d-bags in this thing.

97.1 has become a giant sellout.

They're more than willing to sacrifice show quality for ratings.

Now all we get is the half-ass, know-nothing sports fan calling in to talk about non-sports shit. I had enough months ago. The open lines format is complete shit. More than 50% of the calls have nothing to do with sports.

And hanging up on callers has become a joke. Yeah, I'm going to sit on hold for 20 minutes to get half my point out...

It's like they have a caller quota, and have to squeeze in 'X' amount of callers for the day. So you never get the hosts feedback on anything.

Plus the listening IM/texting bullshit has gone off the deep end. We're not preschoolers, we don't 'need something to do' while we're listening on the air.

Plus why the fuck don't they do interviews anymore? They used to have Steve Phillips, A. Sherrod Blakely, Scoop Jackson, amongst many other quality insiders who have forgot more about the sport they cover than any fucking tool like Doug Karsch knows. What a complete joke.

Just FUCKING TALK SPORTS!!!! PLEASE!!


97.1 = the prostitute of FM radio

97.1 = the prostitute of FM radio

isnt it ironic they just put a Clear Channel station out? LOL

Wow, I'm not understanding this 97.1 hate.... Baligian was decent when I caught him but Stoney and Wojo have been god awful for years. Valenti and Foster blow that show out of the water nowadays. The only thing that bothers me about Valenti is his inability to admit that he was wrong about Rodney Stuckey. Other than that, he is very entertaining and knowledgable.

I was a Wdfn slappy for years but switched 2 years ago and haven't looked back since.

No way man, now the OLD Valenti & Foster was outstanding when they were on AM only. Back when it was called The Sports Inferno. But the open lines format and 50% of their show being off topic segments has killed their show.

Up until about a year and a half ago, I had never listened to Stoney & Wojo, but once I switched to WDFN back then, I never went back to Valenti & Foster...

The move to FM brought a wave of novice listeners, and it took the show down a notch...

Baligian was the only thing that was still good about WDFN. I can't listen to Rome, and as everyone mentioned, Stoney and Wojo have not been good for years.

Muhme - I enjoy Mike and Terry most of the time. In fact I'd like to hear their opinions and have them talk more. They need to go through segments where there are no open phones, possibly for an hour at a time. It's when the callers continue to call in with the same points and are gun-shy about talking on the phone that I have to turn them off. And Valenti needs to leave 95% of the Pistons talk to Terry.

Bingo MoTown, thats exactly how the show was run when it was on AM only...

that was when it was at its peak

I'm surprised alot of ppl hate S&W...Wojo is like, the most hilarious person on the air...

So, who the fuck is going to interview Dumars, Curry. players, etc. outside of the pre-game and post-game?

I'm not much of a sports radio or man-talk radio fan. Rome and the gameboy clones amuse me in small doses, but only in small doses. I want to hear some Pistons-focused talk every now and then. WDFN did that to some degree. Who's gonna do that now?

So, who the fuck is going to interview Dumars, Curry. players, etc. outside of the pre-game and post-game?

I'm not much of a sports radio or man-talk radio fan. Rome and the gameboy clones amuse me in small doses, but only in small doses. I want to hear some Pistons-focused talk every now and then. WDFN did that to some degree. Who's gonna do that now?


Nobody. I believe WDFN will still do their "Off The Court" show hosted by Matt Dery or Rob Otto on Thursday nights since the show is part of the Detroit Pistons broadcasting (aka Spartan Stores Radio Network), but other than that nobody.

97.1 doesn't do interviews because they don't want to pay 'insiders' to come on and chat for a segement (talk about cheap).


WDFN did weekly interviews with Michael Curry, Chris McCoskey, Kevin Allen, Tim McCormick, Chris Chelios, Tom Kowalski, Mike Millbury, Ed Olczyk, Ken Rosenthal, Jayson Stark, Angelique Chengalis, Mike Tirico, amongst many others...

97.1 USED TO have weekly interviews with guys like A. Sherrod Blakely, Scoop Jackson, Greg Anthony, Josh Helmholdt, Eric Lacy, Steve Phillips, Jason Beck, and Mike O'Hara but they ended all of those relationships over a year ago...

So now, if your lucky, you'll get a useless segment with Tony Ortiz on Lions fodder, but he's no where near as plugged in to the Lions as The Killer is...

So, who the fuck is going to interview Dumars, Curry. players, etc. outside of the pre-game and post-game?

I'm not much of a sports radio or man-talk radio fan. Rome and the gameboy clones amuse me in small doses, but only in small doses. I want to hear some Pistons-focused talk every now and then. WDFN did that to some degree. Who's gonna do that now?


Me and you baby. You see Curry's tie yesterday?

97.1 doesn't do interviews because they don't want to pay 'insiders' to come on and chat for a segement (talk about cheap).


Good for them. If you are to be considered any sort of legit as a media outlet, you don't pay sources.

They shouldn't have to pay these guys to come on and pimp their products, anyways.

Good for them. If you are to be considered any sort of legit as a media outlet, you don't pay sources.

They shouldn't have to pay these guys to come on and pimp their products, anyways.


They never 'pimped their products'. They gave the downlow since they were plugged in (since the hosts weren't).

In fact, I'm not even 100% positive they did pay them, I'm just assuming. Do you think WDFN paid The Killer to come on every week?

And if they did, don't you think it was worth giving your listeners some insight from somebody who is close to the situation?

No offense, but Mike Valenti's opinion on what the Lions front office plans on doing carries no more weight than yours or mine. But somebody like the Killer at least carries some credibility.

They might have paid Kowalski, but journalistically, that's a major faux pas.

It's possible that they didn't care, though.

They never 'pimped their products'. They gave the downlow since they were plugged in (since the hosts weren't).

In fact, I'm not even 100% positive they did pay them, I'm just assuming. Do you think WDFN paid The Killer to come on every week?

And if they did, don't you think it was worth giving your listeners some insight from somebody who is close to the situation?

No offense, but Mike Valenti's opinion on what the Lions front office plans on doing carries no more weight than yours or mine. But somebody like the Killer at least carries some credibility.
No offense bro... but you are really off base on what you think you know when it comes to guests/insiders and why they arent on our station anymore.

Good for them. If you are to be considered any sort of legit as a media outlet, you don't pay sources.

They shouldn't have to pay these guys to come on and pimp their products, anyways.
that is one part of it.

No offense bro... but you are really off base on what you think you know when it comes to guests/insiders and why they arent on our station anymore.

MUHME.

He goes to the practices.

I like the "bro" usage, though.

He also likes to shout "Microphone Jesus" at Mola in person.

No offense bro... but you are really off base on what you think you know when it comes to guests/insiders and why they arent on our station anymore.


Then elaborate, if you don't mind...

Why doesn't A. Sherrod Blakely come on anymore?

How come you aren't allowed to talk on the air anymore? Or Khang, or Evan???

Then elaborate, if you don't mind...

Why doesn't A. Sherrod Blakely come on anymore?

How come you aren't allowed to talk on the air anymore? Or Khang, or Evan???
First off we arent hosts, the show isnt about us.

The insiders and guests as a whole did not bring much. Half of them would never bring any new information, they would never inform us when something WAS breaking, they were always hard to track down, and difficult to deal with.

When we can get someone worth having on...we do. We had a chance to get Dumars when the Iverson deal went down, and we had him on the air. However, here is the issue... when he actually gets asked tough questions and challenged... he doesnt want to come on... It is hard for us to have people on because we do not fluff any of the teams.

Having a guest on and tossing softballs isnt something that we really want to do. If you guys want that you have other avenues to get your stuff from. However, when someone comes on with us they know they will actually be asked some uncomfortable questions and pushed.

With that said, it limits who we can get...on top of the fact that we have a very short list of people we actually WANT.

Another issue with the guests... it has come to the point where a die hard Piston fan that wants to know about the squad...usually can bring as much to the table as ASB/Dana/McKosky on a weekly basis. The only time they have new info is really when trades happen or are about to happen.... when that goes down, we usually make an attempt to get ASB on...

There are beat writers for the teams in Detroit that I would put money on it, most of the message board as as plugged in as they are... why the hell do we want to put people on like that?

Steve Phillips was pretty solid...and we will probably have him on a few times...

I get you guys just dont want to like the station which is cool and a lot of your blasts are spot on and fit with people at our station... I just think you're a tad off base with Mike and Terry.

...with that said.. still sucks you are limited to one local choice for sports here in the city... It would have been nice to see DFN try to compete...maybe switch to FM and push both stations to be better...

Wow.

That's like the exact opposite stand as you used to take on the subject of "who knows what".

Why do you have to spin it as people who "just don't want to like the station". I wouldn't imagine that there are many people who are die-hard against a random radio station.

I liked Mike and Terry. The only guy I just couldn't stand on there was Caputo. That guy is horrible as a host. he's a good for some Tiger talk and that's about it (same with Regner and the Wings).

Wow.

That's like the exact opposite stand as you used to take on the subject of "who knows what".

Why do you have to spin it as people who "just don't want to like the station". I wouldn't imagine that there are many people who are die-hard against a random radio station.

Exactly.

I have only one choice now for Detroit sports radio, and I'm choosing to not listen to anything.

Heck, I even invited him to explain how his show is improved from what it was, and all we're getting is the condescending "you just aren't listening enough" line.

1270 in its entire existence has never even tried to appeal to Piston fans. Why should I have any reason to believe it's going to be different now?

Karsh and Anderson were just having a riveting conversation about concept car ideas for the last hour. Now that's great sports radio.

Karsh and Anderson were just having a riveting conversation about concept car ideas for the last hour. Now that's great sports radio.


And tomorrow they will have another conversation about building an outdoor ice rink and where the quickest place to get an oil change is.

I have only one choice now for Detroit sports radio, and I'm choosing to not listen to anything.



Ditto.

Yesterday I listened to 850 WKNR (ESPN CLEVELAND) to some guy named Michael Reghi. Apparently he's the guy that lost his job to Fred McLeod on FSN Ohio.

I'm surprised how clear the signal is despite the show being located in Cleveland and on the AM dial.

Another thing that bugs the sin out of me is that WXYT never talks hockey until the 2nd round of the NHL Playoffs.

Their the freakin flagship for the areas most popular team and they don't give a rats ass about it one bit.

They fired their biggest Wings enthusiast (Regner) a couple years ago, and even though he was a d-bag, he still gave the station some NHL love.

WDFN at least had a weekly show (I think it was called "Ice Time", hosted by Baligian?) where they dedicated it strictly to the hockey nuts. Plus they had weekly segements where they talked hockey with USA Today's Kevin Allen and Mike Millbury from the NHL on NBC.

I'm not saying I'm a big time NHL fan, because I'm not, but hey I like to hear some Wings talk when the seasons in swing...

The fact that WDFN one-upped WXYT in Red Wing talk year-round is an embarassment, IMO.

they one-upped them in Tiger coverage, too. In the dugout was an extremely informative summertime show.

With the Ticket its Lions, Lions, and More Lions, with some college football thrown in.

They carry the freakin wings and tigers and you'd never know it by their daily coverage.

1270 in its entire existence has never even tried to appeal to Piston fans. Why should I have any reason to believe it's going to be different now?

Even when they talk Pistons they have no clue.

I remember when Sheed and Memo were both FA's. They kept talking about how they didn't understand why we just didn't sign both, blaming Dumars and/or Davidson for being cheap. Except that we didn't have Bird Rights on Memo and couldn't exceed the cap to resign him.

Either do some damn research on Cap rules or get someone to do that research. I hated it when they'd have entire segments that were worthless because they didn't have their facts right.

Even when they talk Pistons they have no clue.

I remember when Sheed and Memo were both FA's. They kept talking about how they didn't understand why we just didn't sign both, blaming Dumars and/or Davidson for being cheap. Except that we didn't have Bird Rights on Memo and couldn't exceed the cap to resign him.

Either do some damn research on Cap rules or get someone to do that research. I hated it when they'd have entire segments that were worthless because they didn't have their facts right.


They still do that to this day. It's embarrassing to listen to.

The lack of basketball knowledge on 1270 is absurd. They should just change their slogan to "1270 football" and get it over with. I'm not even kidding when I say that. They have effectively fired anybody and everybody on that station that is not a football fan first.

%75 of the sports talk out here is football (Broncos own the sports world here), but the hosts can still talk Nuggets and Avs and have a clue.

They don't give the Rockies much love?

I also hate how noboy knows the salary strucutre of the NBA on that station.



"Trade Rip for Bosh."

- Typical WXYT Caller

The WDFN site is back up.

They don't give the Rockies much love?

During the season they talk about them, but otherwise no. They talk about Broncos year round.

I agree about Lions talk but it was like that at both stations. Its just a way of life around here.

I agree somewhat about Foster/Valenti, they need to limit the off-topic stuff and I don't really like that policy of 1 call per week. Their are some good callers out there that would call in a few times a week and they were basically part of the show and very entertaining.

There are still podcast available on the WDFN site, in case anyone was interested in downloading them.

Dropboard
http://wdfn.com/pages/dropboard.html?_show

Morning Show
http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=MorningShow.xml

Sean Beligian
http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=SeanBaligianPodacasts. xml

The Stoney and Wojo Show
http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=StoneyWojoPodcasts.xml

WDFN Wrestling & Bits
http://www.wdfn.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=WDFNBitsPodcast.xml

I grew up with both 1130 and 1270. I mainly listen to 97.1 if I'm doing sports talk but that's because it comes in better in Toledo than 1130. When I head back to my parents house to work in the shop I always just went with whichever was having the more interesting sports conversation. If it wasn't sports talk, I turned on music. I completely agree with everyone that has said they need to limit the non-sports talk and the callers. In the very least, make the screeners a bit more selective so when a caller is calling in with a comment that is completely off base, i.e. trade rip for bosh (doesn't work), the screener can just say "that doesn't even work, you're not getting on the air and wasting our listeners time".

Greg Brady (http://www.640toronto.com/Blogs/ABradyBlog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10020014)

He raised an interesting point, I thought.

I wonder if they would be better off changing WDFN's call letters to something else and starting over (re-branding it as a "new product")?

Keeping the same name/logo/etc. is only going to be a constant reminder of what used to be.

What I'm confused about is that Fox Sports Radio cancelled some shows. Ben Maller and Craig Shemon are both gone. Does Clear Channel run FSR?

Myers' show is a wreck now, too. Farnham was replaced with some LA guy.

All they do is talk over each other and it's all about LA now.

bam.

Czabe, ftw.

Ok I read that Fox sports radio is really a marketing thing by name and really don't have much in common with Fox Sports.

Does Petros Papadakis have a good program?

I haven't listened to it yet?

No.

I hate that guy.

Does Petros Papadakis have a good program?

I haven't listened to it yet?
Judging from what you have said in this thread. I dont think you would like him.

Judging from what you have said in this thread. I dont think you would like him.


Noted.

I'll stick to The Sean Hannity Show.

http://www.wnis.com/pictures/talent/SeanHannityCollage.jpg

Noted.

I'll stick to The Sean Hannity Show.

http://www.wnis.com/pictures/talent/SeanHannityCollage.jpg
Didnt he call it quits a while back??

Didnt he call it quits a while back??


According to Talkers Magazine, The Sean Hannity Show is the second most-listened to commercial radio show in the United States, with 13.25 million listeners weekly

Valenti & Foster must be #1, right?

It must be.

Now that its sunk in, its sad that WDFN is gone.

Valenti & Foster must be #1, right?

It must be.
In Detroit, the male 25-54 demo (our target audience)

any collection of guys on this forum could be #1 if if they were the only game in town and had an FM signal.

You could train four monkeys and a platypus to run a #1 sports talk show in a market where there isn't another one to compete.

New book that just came out... Valenti and Foster #1 across the whole M 25-54 demo

...also I believe our station cleaned up with Jay and Bill plus Karsh and Anderson @#1

any collection of guys on this forum could be #1 if if they were the only game in town and had an FM signal.

You could train four monkeys and a platypus to run a #1 sports talk show in a market where there isn't another one to compete.
...just an FYI... look at other stations across the country... Sports talk is near the bottom in just about every market.

It just seems like Kstat is arguing *gasp* for the sake of arguing...

i grew up on DFN...fucking 12 years old listening to Jaime and Greg when i get outta school and listening to stoney and woj before basketball practices all thru highschool, but hosts started to change, and then it never changed...it got stale

Sean B is a man I can respect from afar, but his shit got STALE...made a dude long for the days of the 3rd shift. S&W was cool, but it wasnt beating Valenti & Foster.

My only gripe with 971 is te 6-10am & pm slot...Caputo is cabbage, and riger and that other guy sound the fuckin same.


Dont worry haters, 971 will change things around like they ALWAYS do

New book that just came out... Valenti and Foster #1 across the whole M 25-54 demo

...also I believe our station cleaned up with Jay and Bill plus Karsh and Anderson @#1


numbers are irrelevant when you have no competition...


jay and bill are the biggest dumbfucks in radio, they literally know nothing about sports, that show is an absolute abortion

It just seems like Kstat is arguing *gasp* for the sake of arguing...



I wonder if K is going to be able to handle the pressure cooker of being a media insider.

People need to realize that the morning show isn't a sports show. Its a "guy" talk show.

numbers are irrelevant when you have no competition...


Wil... You fucking hate 97.1. I understand that but will you take a step back and look at what you're typing.... If you do not know what I am talking about... let me break it down a bit for you.

Our target demo (the demo that we care about, that the bonuses are made of and how we are ultimately judged) is MEN 25-54. THAT IS WHAT 97.1 THE TICKET cares about.

Now, every station in Detroit that also shares that same target demo as us is our competition. Losing WDFN isnt losing our competition. It is losing a station that has registered a 1 share (that is 1/10th of what Mike and Terry register) for the past couple years in our demo. If WRIF, CSX or MIX went out... then you might have a leg to stand on with your argument.

It has been stated over and over in this thread that DFN on AM and XYT on FM isnt fair competition... yet you say the reason that we get our numbers and smash everyone is because we "dont have any competition"

Do you see what youre saying?!

You hate XYT...great. But you cannot deny that we are fucking assassinating everyone in our demo right now.

keep on conveniently leaving out the fact that the ticket never sniffed #1 in anything until they got an FM signal...

men 25-54 are always going to go with sports radio, especially if there's only ONE SPORTS RADIO STATION IN TOWN.

There are a lot of music stations in detroit that take listeners away from each other. No music station is going head-to-head with a sports talk station, and vice versa.

Ergo, WXYT has zero competition.

You all should really start a radio station with FM. Sounds easy.

I used not to think so, but then Mike Valenti's show got ratings....

the 97.1 product is just awful...

keep on conveniently leaving out the fact that the ticket never sniffed #1 in anything until they got an FM signal...

men 25-54 are always going to go with sports radio, especially if there's only ONE SPORTS RADIO STATION IN TOWN.

There are a lot of music stations in detroit that take listeners away from each other. No music station is going head-to-head with a sports talk station, and vice versa.

Ergo, WXYT has zero competition.

Men 25-54 have never came close to winning in this city.. WRIF/CSX have had a strangle hold on the demo for about... 25+ years now.

Also, our station was never #1 until we changed our management, kept out lineup the same for longer than 2 months and fired all our dead weight.

the 97.1 product is just awful...
...and they trump everything else in the city.

maybe Gregg Henson can start some podcasts for you fellas to enjoy?

...and they trump everything else in the city.

maybe Gregg Henson can start some podcasts for you fellas to enjoy?

Muhme, trust me: just stop arguing with him. It's a lost cause - you'll just get a headache.

Muhme, trust me: just stop arguing with him. It's a lost cause - you'll just get a headache.
haha, gotcha.

Men 25-54 have never came close to winning in this city.. WRIF/CSX have had a strangle hold on the demo for about... 25+ years now.



And why not, what with all the FM sports talk stations....

And why not, what with all the FM sports talk stations....


Start one.

per DetroitMediaInsider.com


In the sports battle, WXYT AM/FM won the battle but is seriously losing the war. WXYT-FM scored a 1.6 while simulcast partner WXYT-AM finished with a .4, combined the stations did a 2.0 to WDFN’s 1.1. The 1.6 landed by WXYT-FM is no better than the ratings being posted by the station when it was on AM. Overall this is a disaster because CBS has lost market share. In the past, WKRK and WXYT had a nearly 4 share, not it is a 2.0. Ouch.

Ledezma with a strong play right there.

Wiki...


On February 4, 2008, The Ticket went with an "open phone lines" format, meaning anyone can call in and discuss any topic whether it's sports related or not.

The one year anniversary of WXYT's death is coming up.

Condolences.

WDFN was just as bad as XYT except that WDFN controlled it so they had segments dedicated to the Pistons etc... I'd have to say 50% of WDFN was off-topic stuff lately.

LMFAO... first off what the fuck is WKRK? That has been dead for a while.

Next, tell "radio insider" to post where he got those falsified numbers. I am guessing he is taking a 13+ from R&R last year...if he can come here and prove where he got his numbers, I would enjoy laughing in his face... meanwhile since your big bird ass wants to play games and apparently doesnt believe me.... Ill get a media buyer to post his thoughts here shortly

Wiki...



The one year anniversary of WXYT's death is coming up.

Condolences.
You do know that "sports talk" is dead in radio formats....dont you?

per DetroitMediaInsider.com
ask Henson where the 13 to 23 kids are in the grand scheme of things?

granted, this is the 13+ (men and women) demo which NOBODY looks at but....

http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRRatings/DetailsPage.aspx?MID=74&RY=2008&RQ=3&MP=0&OTHER=2&MN=Detroit&MS=MI&MR=11&12P=3866500&UP=10/14/2008%2012:00:00%20AM&SU=CM&BPER=21.8&HPER=3.2&OPER=&NSD=&CE=0

...and that isnt anywhere near what Henson Jr ala Wilfredo posted... again, in our Target demo XYT is S.M.A.S.H.I.N.G. EVERYONE

Everyone hates a winner Muhm, don't let them get to you.
Also, how do you keep finding this thread?

Also, how do you keep finding this thread?
Hahaha

Detroit's first PPM book (DEC08).

Men 2554 m-f 2-6p

Station Share
XYT 9.0
WRIF 8.3
CSX 6.6
NIC 6.2
DRQ 6.1
KQI 6.0
WWJ 5.4
JLB 4.9
YCD 4.0
WJR 4.0
WDVD 3.9
OMC 3.3
WDFN 3.2
CIMX (89x) 3.0
MXD 2.9

Fool with a clever zinger.

Even though it's been about three years since I last listened on a regular basis, I hate to think of detroit radio without WDFN.

When I first started listening, they had a pretty decent mostly local lineup from about 6am to 11pm. Henson and Samuelsson in the early slot, Regner and Foster for mid-morning, Rome noon-3, Stony & Wojo for drivetime and Pate & Baligian for the thirrd shift. Those were the days.

LMFAO... first off what the fuck is WKRK? That has been dead for a while.

Next, tell "radio insider" to post where he got those falsified numbers. I am guessing he is taking a 13+ from R&R last year...if he can come here and prove where he got his numbers, I would enjoy laughing in his face... meanwhile since your big bird ass wants to play games and apparently doesnt believe me.... Ill get a media buyer to post his thoughts here shortly

getting signed up took me FOREVER.


lmfao at this entire thread.

S & W were like old Tigers Stadium. Everyone has such great memories of them, but don't realize they were outdated.

and lmfao at henson being a "detroit radio insider" and posting numbers that everyone can find for free and it being a 12+ demo.

here's a lil something that the coffee server in Austin didnt post.

Detroit's first PPM book (DEC08).

Men 2554 m-f 2-6p

Station Share
XYT 9.0
WRIF 8.3
CSX 6.6
NIC 6.2
DRQ 6.1
KQI 6.0
WWJ 5.4
JLB 4.9
YCD 4.0
WJR 4.0
WDVD 3.9
OMC 3.3
WDFN 3.2
CIMX (89x) 3.0
MXD 2.9


and when you factor in Adults instead of just Men, WXYT is still pretty good.

A2554 PM drive 2-6p

Station Share
WINC 9.3
DVD 7.4
KQI 6.2
XYT 5.6
WRIF 5.5
DRQ 5.2
CSX 4.7
MXD 4.7
WWJ 4.6
JLB 4.5
YCD 4.4
OMC 4.0
MGC 3.9
WJR 3.5
GPR 2.8

WDFN wasnt in the top 15 for this demo

just because a show flips from AM to FM doesnt guarentee huge ratings. When a show flips, they have to work harder because there are that many more people who ARENT going to listen.

Holy shit...helluva 1st post

Holy shit...helluva 1st post
i just laugh at anyone getting radio info from a site that henson owns.

Welcome and thanks for the info.


getting signed up took me FOREVER.


You were sent a confirmation email when you registered and you never activated your account. I recognized who you were and manually activated it for you.

It probably landed in your junk mail or something.

Hope you like the surroundings and will stick around.

Welcome and thanks for the info.



You were sent a confirmation email when you registered and you never activated your account. I recognized who you were and manually activated it for you.

It probably landed in your junk mail or something.

Hope you like the surroundings and will stick around.

thanks man.

its too much to type out all, so i'll type out what the rest of the line on WXYT did in men 2554 (their target demo)

6-10a WXYT was 5th

10a-2p WXYT was 2nd (behind WRIF)

2-6p they were first

6-10p they were 5th

but they were well ahead of WDFN in all of these dayparts

Just an FYI to you DFN lovers...

97.1 is now the new home of the Pistons...starting in 09-10

Oh and Glenn, gimme YMIH's referral lol

Just an FYI to you DFN lovers...

97.1 is now the new home of the Pistons...starting in 09-10

New thread?

Tell us what you can about this Jason....are you going to expand staff, hire some DFN guys?

How's the radio going to work with Red Wings/Pistons games conflicting?

How's the radio going to work with Red Wings/Pistons games conflicting?
Pistons will go to am950

I do not know anything else on this... I would assume we would need to hire some more people... but I am not sure what they plan on doing...

Just an FYI to you DFN lovers...

97.1 is now the new home of the Pistons...starting in 09-10


It's called death not an option. They chose basketball purgatory instead.

After Detroit Lions president Tom Lewand apologized to the family of Corey Smith for "reprehensible'' and "incredibly inappropriate'' remarks that were made on the team's flagship radio station (WXYT 97.1 FM), radio host Mike Valenti apologized to his listeners.


During a Monday afternoon show featuring Valenti and co-host Terry Foster, several jokes were made about the situation involving four men who were missing in the Gulf of Mexico, including Lions defensive end Corey Smith. On Tuesday evening, the Coast Guard called off the search. One man was rescued with the boat but the remaining three men, including Smith, are still lost at sea.
Here is a transcript from that show, beginning with Valenti interrupting himself during a discussion with a caller about Albert Haynesworth.
Foster: "What? What's going on?''
Valenti: "These (e-mail) feedbacks are coming in again.''
Foster: "What's up? Lay it on me, baby.''
Valenti: "I really don't even want to read this one.''
Foster: "Yes, you do because you're ... ''
Valenti: "No, but this one is ... all right, I'm going to read this but if you're sensitive to inappropriate stuff you should probably turn the channel ...''
And then Valenti told a joke about Smith being lost at sea and concluded by saying "From (listener) in Farmington Hills, thank you for that.''
A short time later, they read another e-mail, making fun of a cap-sized boat.
Lewand met with the media this morning to talk about Smith, covering several subjects about the man who played for the Lions for the last three years. At the end of his remarks, Lewand said: "Just one other thing that I'd like to address because we've been getting some questions about it both internally and externally and that involved some comments that were made earlier in this week on our flagship station in regards to Corey and the situation of the four gentlemen.
"There was some reading of jokes and some incredibly inappropriate comments that were made. On behalf of our organization, I feel obligated to apologize to the Smith family on behalf of our flagship station and I've been in contact with both the area manager and with the program director. The kind of behavior that was exhibited on their airwaves on Monday afternoon was nothing short of reprehensible. It's not something we'll condone, it's not something the Detroit Lions organization wants to be a part of and I'm hopeful they'll take appropriate steps to ensure that it doesn't happen again.''
Valenti opened his show today with an apology: "On Monday afternoon, very, very, very stupid decision on my part, probably the dumbest, most reprehensible decision I've made in my radio career.
"We were doing instant (e-mail) feedbacks and I put something flat-out on the air that never should've got on. No one else deserves to get blamed but me. Too often we pass blame in society, it's not on Evan, it's not on Jay, it's not on Terry, it's on me. I know what goes on the air on my show. It doesn't matter if somebody else gave it to me, this is on me.
"It was an instant feedback from a listener in regards, to that point, the ongoing Corey Smith situation and I just offer you my sincerest apologies. It was completely ridiculous to put on the air and, again, it comes to me. The only thing I can promise you as my listeners is that it won't happen again. Otherwise, I'll tell you right now, I don't deserve to be around. So, I humble apologize. Again, an egregious decision and we move forward.''

So Matt Dery works for WXYT now?

Does he? What did you hear?

it was in the detroit news.

Shep is back on from 7am to 9am with "Shep, shower and shave"

I bet that's a real snoozefest.

So they bumped Czaban?

yup and yup

I flat out love Shep's play by play but he just can't carry a radio show

yup and yup

I flat out love Shep's play by play but he just can't carry a radio show

He's better than the crap they have on 97.1 in the morning.

Like anybody wants to listen to that fuck Jay Towers.

Also, for the first time I heard Dery on 97.1 a couple days ago. It would be cool to still have Otto & Dery do Pistons shit now that the flagship will be WXYT next year.

The Pistons are absolute bat shit. Why would it be cool to have an entire readio show about them? Nothing better to do, like grind your elbows off with a belt sander?

Baligian's new show debuted over here yesterday. I didn't listen, but there seems to be a nice Sean vs. Huge vibe going on.

Sports Radio is back!

Hopefully 96.1 will actually commit to their talent and eventually give 1270 the ass-beating it so richly deserves.

96.1 is in GR, so it's not competing w/ 1270

they will for online listeners.

My moles/CWPFs are telling me that WDFN is "coming back" on 8/31 with Baligian in the late morning (he'll still do his GR show in the afternoon) and Drew Sharp & Jamie Samuelsen for the afternoon drive.

No Stoney/Wojo, though.

they will for online listeners.
I love how Kstat is NEVER wrong.

My moles/CWPFs are telling me that WDFN is "coming back" on 8/31 with Baligian in the late morning (he'll still do his GR show in the afternoon) and Drew Sharp & Jamie Samuelsen for the afternoon drive.

No Stoney/Wojo, though.

Even though I hate Drew Sharp's constant pessimistic view towards everything, at least they would talk sports.

Those two together will certainly have poor on-air cheimstry and the flow of the show will be uneasy and awkward, but it will still have more substance than 97.1

Do you know what will happen to Diesel/Otto?

Diesel's at 97.1, isn't he?

Yes. No idea about Otto, though.

I still feel bad about listening to the Diesel on 97.1. He's obviously a pretty good sports guy, but he has to chat with Valenti and Foster everyday and pretend he's enjoying himself.

Everyone seemed to forget that WDFN was becoming all guy talk. Jamie and Brady should have been called TMZ/Entertainment tonight on the radio. I don't mind WXYT because I get sick of listening to 100% non-stop sports. Only so much you can talk about something until it becomes too much.

Good call, Glan/MoTown...


They pushed it back a week. Starting Tuesday, 9/8 now.

The RobInge Hood Message Board View topic - DFN goes local again on September 8th (updated full line up)

Sean 7-10 AM
Ryan Ermanni from Fox 2 from 10AM-Noon
Colin Cowherd from ESPN Radio Noon-2PM
Shep & Sharp from 2PM-6PM

So no more Rome, I guess.

I don't like Colin Cowherd, so I'll probably just listen to Rush from 12-2

WDFN=boxer in their 40's who can't call it a career and is just embarrassing themselves.

WDFN=boxer in their 40's who can't call it a career and is just embarrassing themselves.

I don't know about that. 97.1 is more embarassing if you ask me. I heard Pat Caputo asking the callers if they thought 'trampstamps' were sexy.

WDFN being back is great, if you ask me.

Real sports talk belongs on AM.

Bring back Rome though.

I don't know about that. 97.1 is more embarassing if you ask me. I heard Pat Caputo asking the callers if they thought 'trampstamps' were sexy.

WDFN being back is great, if you ask me.

Real sports talk belongs on AM.

Not sure if you call Matt Shepard lecturing us on his Republican values or Sean Baligian trying to impersonate Jim Rome by reading wacky news stories and spending 30 minutes repeating the story over and over followed by callers on the air saying "Can you get a DUI if you're an Amish on a horse". WDFN hasn't had real sports talk in 10 years.

I disagree. I never listened to WDFN much before 1270 switched to FM. After they went to 97.1 all of their programs have gone totally down hill. They spend half their show talking about offtopic bullshit and the 'open lines' format makes for inconsistent radio. I don't listen to sports radio to hear Doug Karsch or Mike Valenti give their thoughts on a political or economical issue. Nor do I listen to sports radio and expect them to make their show interactive so I can stay entertained (IM-ing). What are we? Cats?

Talk sports. WDFN went off topic every now and then, but not nearly as often as 1270 does. And unlike 1270, WDFN doesn't do the stupid 'open lines' so they can put a lid on a topic and move on to sports talk so we don't have to hear what some "drunk douchebag did on his quad" each of the four hours.

1130 was solid. It won't be the same without Stoney & Wojo. But other than Tigers games, I haven't listened to 97.1 for almost a year now.

Baligian 7-10am
Ryan Ermanni (Fox 2) from 10am-Noon
Colin Cowherd Noon-2pm
Shep & Drew Sharp from 2-6pm

See anything missing?

Anybody listen to Rome yesterday? Did they say anything about him being off the air in Detroit? That seems like it would be prime show fodder for him.

Cancelling Rome is not good.

And by not good I mean very bad.

Licking a lightpost in February thinks this is a bad idea.

My horse.

Rack me.

Ugg.

I just wish WDFN would go to FM format as well. That would kick Valenti and Foster off the air. I really can't even listen to those guys anymore.

Karsh and Anderson are solid - they talk sports and limit the amount of calls that come in. They also have a sense of humor and actually root for the home teams, unlike the afternoon douchebags. If I wanted to hear about how bad the Tigers/Pistons/Lions suck, I'd move to Cleveland.

I've never listened to Cowherd, but I heard he's solid.

Colin's good on that SportsNation show... that's all I've got. I don't listen to any of this stuff.

Colin's radioshow is pretty lousy, IMO. I've heard it a bit on WKNR (ESPN Cleveland) which somehow comes in clear as a bell in metro-Detroit. Cowherd is smug, but he's sharp.

I don't know why they don't just do 2 hours of Rome instead. WJR does 2 hours of Hannity and skips the final hour of his show to go to Mitch Albom, so it's not uncommon, especially in AM radio.

I've seen speculation that they may be required to carry a certain number of hours of ESPN Radio programming to keep their affiliation.

WDFN ‘The Fan’ plans to bring back more local programming
By Bill Shea
Crain's Detroit Business

Six months after cutting most of its staff and local programming, sports talk station WDFN 1130 AM said today that a new primarily local show lineup will return Tuesday.

The station, which bills itself as “The Fan,” switched to mostly syndicated Fox Sports Radio programming and gutted its staff in January as part of its parent company’s cutbacks. San Antonio-based Clear Channel Communications Inc. planned to trim $400 million in part by trimming its U.S. workforce by 1,850 jobs, or about 9 percent.

The station’s new weekday lineup is:

• 7-10 a.m.: Sean Baligian, who is also doing an afternoon show for a Grand Rapids sports station and is a color commentator for the Plymouth Whalers.

• 10 a.m.-noon: Ryan Ermanni, a WJBK Fox 2 sports reporter.

• Noon-2 p.m.: ESPN’s Colin Cowherd.

• 2–6 p.m.: Detroit Free Press columnist Drew Sharp and local play-by-play announcer Matt Shepard.

• Tom Kowalski, who covers the Detroit Lions for Booth Newspapers, will contribute news and commentary throughout the day.

WDFN lost its Detroit Pistons broadcast rights to WXYT 97.1 FM in February.

Clear Channel operates 20 radio stations in Michigan and more than 800 stations overall.

Locally, the radio giant also owns WJLB 97.9 FM, WMXD 92.3 FM, WKQI 95.5 FM, WNIC 100.3 FM, WDTW 106.7 FM and WDTW 1310 AM.

Clear Channel was taken private in July 2008 in a $24 billion deal after it merged with an indirect wholly owned subsidiary of CC Media Holdings Inc., which is a creation of Bain Capital Partners L.L.C. and Thomas H. Lee Partners L.P.

97.1/1270- Lions, Red Wings, Pistons, Tigers
AM 760- MSU Football
Oldies 104.3- U of M Football
AM 950- U of M Basketball
1130- zilch

what the hell? no stoney and wojo?

what the hell? no stoney and wojo?

unfortunately not...

just shep and sharp

Stoney and Wojo were bought out. They won't be on the air again till their non-compete clauses run out. 2011 I believe.

Back on the radio! Starting Monday, I'll be on with D and D every day between 6 and 9 on WCSX (94.7). Thanks for all the kind wishes.

Who?

Big Headed Kid

Jamie

sorry

Gregg has uploaded a bunch of old WDFN stuff here, including a lot of my parady songs.

I've been looking for Don't STink for a long time. I love the Juan Gonzalez "Apartment, apartment" soundbyte.

GreggHenson.com: Jamie and Gregg on WDFN (http://gregghenson.typepad.com/gregg_hensoncom/jamie-and-gregg-on-wdfn.html)

Might want to check out @GreggHenson and @JeffMossDSR right now, this is getting interesting.

@GreggHenson Who is your source on that? Elliot Lerner? Bring it on Henson. You want to make this ugly, I will fuck with your world.

aahahha

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