Somebody's going to pay him a boatload of money, will it be the Lions?

Will they just stand pat with Culpepper/Orlavsky/Stanton?

With Cassel, I'm having flashbacks to Scott Mitchell.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7406/career;_ylt=AvdKkPw.MEqVAuo3W7ZQawL.uLYF

I'm gonna go on a limb and say that if Sam Bradford comes out this year he'll be wearing a Detroit Lions jersey. I think that a brand new GM will want to come in and make a "splash" and based on what Matt Ryan did for the Falcons this year I could very easily see us taking the winner of the Stafford/Bradford sweepstakes.

P.S. I think they definitely need to draft Andre Smith, but I don't think it'll end up going that way as of right now.

Well, how well have Russell, Quinn (don't get excited about 1 game), Alex Smith, Young, Lienart, etc done so far? I'd be shocked if even 1 in 4 first round QBs has done anything.

I'd rather just waste money than waste money AND miss on a pick.

What good is a decent prospect behind a shitty OL? We've seen that enough.

Yeah, he could be the next Scott Mitchell. We could also pass on him like Brees and get stuck with Joey part 2.

No thanks.

So he put up 400 one game...who cares.

If the lions draft another QB, I will officially become a Toronto Argonaut fan.

Shitty QBs do decent behind great O-Lines. Great QBs get destroyed behind shitty O-Lines.

Cassel's going to get tagged in the offseason...

I'd rather explore the 'Derek Anderson' route since he'll be a great buy low situation. He would've cost us maybe a 2nd rounder or so last year, now we could probably get DA for a 5th or 6th...

Plus, I think Daunte's sticking around...

P.S. I think they definitely need to draft Andre Smith, but I don't think it'll end up going that way as of right now.


I was thinking, if we can move Backus to guard (which has been discussed before), and draft a guy like Andre Smith or Michael Oher, our O-Line would be much better. Backus might be able to 'reinvent' himself at guard, kind of like how Damien Woody did last year when we moved him from guard to tackle. It's worth a shot, it's not like he's going to get better at Tackle, at least at guard he can deal with the slower footed DT's rather than the quick defensive ends.

Then you can throw Manuel Ramirez (or Stephen Peterman) in at the other guard spot, Raiola at center, and have Andre Smith/Michael Oher & Gosder Cherilus as your tackles...

Somehow Miami had a garbage O-Line last year, and then Vernon Carey & Samson Satele suddenly become Pro Bowl-worthy studs, they sign a savvy vet in Justin Smiley, and draft Jake Long. It's possible to re-create an O-Line in one offseason, and whoever our new GM is, needs to make that his first priority.

No thanks.

So he put up 400 one game...who cares.

Thank you very much, JS. I've worked long and hard, enduring countless hours of excrutiating rehab, to rid my mind of Vince and his gawddamn ShamWow. Then, your av ruin'd everything.

But, could you imagine Vince repping Sam Bradford?


I don't know... it sells itself

I'd best spend the money looking for a power RB. Looking at their four RB's, three of them are listed at 5'10". Smith is 6'1", but only 215lbs. Sign a bruiser like the Titans did with LenDale White and give the opposing D something new to worry about.

Shonn Greene of Iowa is a good idea, though the popular choice might be Moreno of Georgia if he comes out. I don't think Moreno would be a good fit, though.

Beanie Wells has size (6'1" 237lbs), and could possess enough big league quickness to elude linebackers flying through gaps in the O line.

I'm not for drafting a RB in the first round. Only Beanie & Moreno are truly 1st rd worthy RB's and I don't think we'll be in a position to draft either.

Guys like Shonn Green, Javon Ringer, CJ Spiller, James Davis will all go 2nd rd or later...

With teams getting solid production out of rookies like Tim Hightower, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith, Ray Rice it shows you don't need to use a 1st rd pick to draft an effective RB...

Besides, I think this offseason we need to find a veteran RB to complement Kevin Smith (think Edgerrin James type), having two young RB's split carries isn't a good idea.

Kev Smith is avg. 4+ ypc, give him an o-line, and he'll be more than capable of carrying the load

Edge asked for his release from the Cardinals, btw

They denied him IIRC.

Our key needs this offseason are going to be on both sides of the line. We need a better D-Line and we need a better O-Line and everything else will improve from there. Not that we're great at any other spots, but those two would help tremendously.

We don't care about the Browns!

FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT, I'M NOT FROM FUCKING CLEVELAND! I'LL FUCKING KILL ALL OF YOU!




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Cassel's going to get tagged in the offseason...

I'd rather explore the 'Derek Anderson' route since he'll be a great buy low situation. He would've cost us maybe a 2nd rounder or so last year, now we could probably get DA for a 5th or 6th...

Plus, I think Daunte's sticking around...

I would explore Anderson as well. I'm not high on Cassel, I would just prefer to trade/sign one rather than drop another pick on one. We don't even take the time to let Stanton show anything, so why draft another QB to rot?

I don't want Anderson and that price. I don't want to draft a QB in the first either. Haven't we learned anything these past few years... Jeezus...

Second straight 400 yd passing game for MC.

At worst, The Lions should have waited on this Culpepper thing and grabbed McNabb instead.

The way Cassel is playing, I'll be shocked if he isn't slapped with the franchise tag at year's end, at least then New England can get something for him.

The way Cassel is playing, I'll be shocked if he isn't slapped with the franchise tag at year's end, at least then New England can get something for him.

I doubt that. He'd make the average of the top 5 at his position (i think). Either way, it's a boatload of money he'd make. Nobody would trade for him making that kind of money. NE would be saddled with his money for at least a year and have to make other cuts.

He'll walk. my guess is to the 49ers. He's accurate with the short quick throws that Martz likes.

I could see McNabb in Minny.

I've always liked Sage Rosenfels...FWIW

I was thinking, if we can move Backus to guard (which has been discussed before), and draft a guy like Andre Smith or Michael Oher, our O-Line would be much better. Backus might be able to 'reinvent' himself at guard, kind of like how Damien Woody did last year when we moved him from guard to tackle. It's worth a shot, it's not like he's going to get better at Tackle, at least at guard he can deal with the slower footed DT's rather than the quick defensive ends.

The only problem with that is that we'd be drafting Smith/Oher extremely high (possibly #1) and giving him Jake Long money and Cherilus got a good chunk of change last year and we all remember the AWESOME deal that Backus signed a few years ago.

The idea overall is a great one and I think A LOT of people would like to see Backus at guard, but we would have possibly one of the highest paid offensive lines in the NFL and we could be in trouble if they don't produce.

Wait, we're not in trouble now?

Vick could be out of jail soon. He'll be a free agent this summer.

Actually, that might be perfect.

Perfect comedy, that is.

It doesn't matter who is behind center, if he has a DT in his face moments after the snap its gonna result in an INT. Matt Cassel is a product of Josh McDaniel's system.

Yeah but just think of the promotions the Lions marketing team could come up with if Vick was QB...

Lets have Dante at QB with Vick lined up at tail back!

Yeah but just think of the promotions the Lions marketing team could come up with if Vick was QB...

I know a few MLB teams have tried a "bring your dog to the game" promotion.

That's the first thing I thought of - I know the Shock tried it once or twice.

^I'm going to leave that one alone, out of respect for Fool.

The only above average Offensive lineman we have is Dominic Raiola, who is regarded as one of the 'better' centers in the league along with guys like Mawae, Kreutz, Birk, etc.

That said, I don't care if we have one of the higest paid O-Lines in the league, I'd rather see our front office waste money in the trenches rather than skill players. There were several UFA O-Linemen last year who signed modest deals and are productive players (Justin Smiley, Jeremy Trueblood, Jeff Faine) and Millen never showed even a bit of interest in any of them, instead working out RB's and Al Wilson.

Besides, Backus' salary isn't what's keeping us down. It's the contracts of guys like Mike Williams, Cory Redding, Kalimba Edwards and Roy Williams that we're haunting us.

The only above average Offensive lineman we have is Dominic Raiola, who is regarded as one of the 'better' centers in the league along with guys like Mawae, Kreutz, Birk, etc.

That said, I don't care if we have one of the higest paid O-Lines in the league, I'd rather see our front office waste money in the trenches rather than skill players. There were several UFA O-Linemen last year who signed modest deals and are productive players (Justin Smiley, Jeremy Trueblood, Jeff Faine) and Millen never showed even a bit of interest in any of them, instead working out RB's and Al Wilson.

Besides, Backus' salary isn't what's keeping us down. It's the contracts of guys like Mike Williams, Cory Redding, Kalimba Edwards and Roy Williams that we're haunting us.

Apropos speaking of the Lions whilst sporting a Clint Malarchuk av.

I just threw up my breakfast, thank you very much.

I suppose, then, a job well done.

I doubt that. He'd make the average of the top 5 at his position (i think). Either way, it's a boatload of money he'd make. Nobody would trade for him making that kind of money. NE would be saddled with his money for at least a year and have to make other cuts.

He'll walk. my guess is to the 49ers. He's accurate with the short quick throws that Martz likes.

I could see McNabb in Minny.

Correct. I heard somewhere on ESPN that NE is not going to franchise him because it will cost too much money. Also stated that Cassel barely beat out Gutierrez for the #2 spot.

I think we have to get a GM and new HC in place before we speculate about who to bring in for free agent QBs. Ugh, the thought of the Lions makes me ill. Starting over every 3 years is a fucking disgrace.

I think a great option would be McNabb. Philly isn't going to resign him IMO, they'll go to Kolb and hope to do what GB did with Rogers.

McNabb would instantly make this team better and probably wouldn't cost as much as Cassel either. He's still a top 10 QB. he can also buy time in the pocket behind a shitty OL (that should get better in the draft).

He'd be like a better version of Culpepper. Like Culpepper in shape with knowledge of the playbook.

He'd be like a better version of Culpepper. Like Culpepper in shape with knowledge of the playbook.

A lot better IMO.

Culpepper after injury:
16 games, 11 TDs, 11 INTs, 85 rush yards

McNabb during same time period (with hernia, thumb and ACL injuries):
36 games, 58 TDs, 24 INTs, 583 rush yards

The difference is pretty dramatic. McNabb is much more accurate, and can still run when needed to. And McNabb hasn't exactly had great WR's in that time frame either. Westbrook was hurt all the time, Owens was gone too.

I'd expect that post from Ledezma, but not you, Zekyl.
kidding

Lets face it, whoever the Lions start at quarterback next year is going to fail.

That's why I think Dan O should just be given the spot. Draft OL and DL, let the team get better from the trenches. Once that is set, bring in a QB who can be developed and won't be killed.

That's why I think Dan O should just be given the spot. Draft OL and DL, let the team get better from the trenches. Once that is set, bring in a QB who can be developed and won't be killed.

Yes, please. It doesn't necessarily have to be Orlovsky, but let's worry about QB later. We're way far away.

I think a great option would be McNabb. Philly isn't going to resign him IMO, they'll go to Kolb and hope to do what GB did with Rogers.

McNabb would instantly make this team better and probably wouldn't cost as much as Cassel either. He's still a top 10 QB. he can also buy time in the pocket behind a shitty OL (that should get better in the draft).

I'd watch a Lions team with McNabb at QB.

Imagine if we got McNabb and did this in the draft:

Our first rounder: Andre Smith - OT
Dallas first: Laurenitus - MLB (DT if gone?)
Our second: MLB/DT (opposite of last pick)
Our third: OG/WR
Dallas third: WR/OG

Assuming the new GM had a clue and got those picks right, we could have a franchise LT, very good MLB and very good DT, a good OG, and a solid #2 WR to play opposite Calvin.

Add McNabb into that mix and I would be shocked to see the Lions in the playoffs. That's assuming those picks pan out though.

QB - McNabb/Stanton
RB - Smith/Rudi
WR - Calvin/Furrey
WR - 3rd/McDonald
TE - Fitz/Campbell
LT - Smith
LG - Backus
C - Riola
RG - Ramirez/Mutalo
RT - Cherilus

DE - White/DeVries
DE - Avril?/Smith?/5-0?
DT - Redding/Darby
DT - 2nd/Cody
WLB - Sims
MLB - Laurenitis
SLB - Dizon
CB - Bodden
CB - Kelly
S - Bullocks
S - Alexander

The only glaring weaknesses I see is DE (need a true playmaker there) and safety (not sure any of those guys are going to pan out ever). Might as well give those DE's a year to see if any pan out.

can't fix everything in one year. Maybe we could patch those two holes with FA's, don't know.

can't fix everything in one year.
This is too true. Especially at QB, let's build the trenches and defense first.

Imagine if we got McNabb and did this in the draft:

Our first rounder: Andre Smith - OT
Dallas first: Laurenitus - MLB (DT if gone?)
Our second: MLB/DT (opposite of last pick)
Our third: OG/WR
Dallas third: WR/OG

Assuming the new GM had a clue and got those picks right, we could have a franchise LT, very good MLB and very good DT, a good OG, and a solid #2 WR to play opposite Calvin.

Add McNabb into that mix and I would be shocked to see the Lions in the playoffs. That's assuming those picks pan out though.

QB - McNabb/Stanton
RB - Smith/Rudi
WR - Calvin/Furrey
WR - 3rd/McDonald
TE - Fitz/Campbell
LT - Smith
LG - Backus
C - Riola
RG - Ramirez/Mutalo
RT - Cherilus

DE - White/DeVries
DE - Avril?/Smith?/5-0?
DT - Redding/Darby
DT - 2nd/Cody
WLB - Sims
MLB - Laurenitis
SLB - Dizon
CB - Bodden
CB - Kelly
S - Bullocks
S - Alexander

The only glaring weaknesses I see is DE (need a true playmaker there) and safety (not sure any of those guys are going to pan out ever). Might as well give those DE's a year to see if any pan out.

can't fix everything in one year. Maybe we could patch those two holes with FA's, don't know.

Avril or whatever his name is has tons, TONS of upside, imo.

I don't want McNabb. I'm ashamed to admit, I'd rather draft Tebow, or the OU guy, etc.

No drafting a QB this draft. Just no.

I'd rather keep Dan-O than do that.

No drafting a QB this draft. Just no.

I'd rather keep Dan-O than do that.

Thanks for the reality check.

You'd seriously rather have Tebow instead of McNabb? They don't even know if the guy will be a QB at the next level.

.......

On second thought, we've heard about Tebow being converted to tight end or fullback... what about offensive lineman?

TeBro is young, McSnatch is old, injury prone and doesn't there are ties in the NFL

TeBro is young, McSnatch is old, injury prone and doesn't there are ties in the NFL

Nice one, Tabro!

I come up with one every 1000-1500 hundred posts or so.

Avril or whatever his name is has tons, TONS of upside, imo.

I don't want McNabb. I'm ashamed to admit, I'd rather draft Tebow, or the OU guy, etc.

What? The "OU guy" Bradford will be a first rounder. We'd have to use the #1 pick on him.

I'd much rather get a franchise LT at #1 and sign a QB that is a proven top ten QB. What good is Tebow going to be behind a crappy OL? He'll be scrambling every single play.

I'll drop the drafting of a QB with 1 of our 1s, if we can drop the McNabb talk.

I don't want that guy. He seems injury prone to me. He isn't that much faster than DC right now, imo. He'd be an improvement, but I'd like someone better than McNabb. Trade for a QB if we have to.

What? The "OU guy" Bradford will be a first rounder. We'd have to use the #1 pick on him.

I'd much rather get a franchise LT at #1 and sign a QB that is a proven top ten QB. What good is Tebow going to be behind a crappy OL? He'll be scrambling every single play.

Tebow really isn't much of a scrambler, so he'd be mega fucked.

Tahoe, Did you even read my post:




Culpepper after injury:
16 games, 11 TDs, 11 INTs, 85 rush yards

McNabb during same time period (with hernia, thumb and ACL injuries):
36 games, 58 TDs, 24 INTs, 583 rush yards

The difference is pretty dramatic. McNabb is much more accurate, and can still run when needed to. And McNabb hasn't exactly had great WR's in that time frame either. Westbrook was hurt all the time, Owens was gone too.
Not that much better than DC?

He has 3 times the rushing yards per game than DC. He has averaged 260 yards a year (for a 16 game season) since his injuries. Vince Young had 395 last year. Tavaras Jackson had 260 last year. Big Ben, Cutler, Garrard and Campbell (all considered good mobile QBs) all had less.

How is he not that mobile? In fact he averaged a half yard extra a carry over Young.

His passer rating the last few years: 14th, 9th, 4th. Only Peyton and Brees have been in the top 10 the last 3 years (Brady would probably be this year and qualify).

You are fooling yourself if you think he's not that much better than DC.

Ok, I'll give you that DM's stats are much better and DM would be better than DC.

So DC is the bar we're trying to hurlde here? If thats the case, we have tons of options.

The Eagles might make the playoffs but they are going nowhere in the playoffs. I'd rather go with a younster with upside than an almost over-the-hill injury prone QB.

I can see the merit in going with a youngster. It's going to take a few years to get enough talent in here to win it all (at least). Millen left the cupboard bare. So, there is certainly a good case to let a young guy develop until then. There is also a good case for trying to win while rebuilding so that the guys we bring in (and current ones we keep) don't get sick of losing and just leave.

I am against putting a young #1 pick in there with shitty talent around him. He'll get killed.

I'd like to either go with McNabb (and try and instill a winning attitude in everyone else), or stick with Dan O (depending on what he shows the next couple games). We can't count on Stanton, but I think he's the #2 guy either way next year.

Once we are able to compete in the trenches, you get a QB (if Dan O or Stanton hasn't shown they are the guy).

I am against putting a young #1 pick in there with shitty talent around him. He'll get killed.
See: Carr, David

See: Carr, David


That is also a case of putting shitty talent around shitty talent.

Carr had a lot of talent out of college, could make the tough reads and throws, but got fucking annihilated behind that offensive line. Never was the same after that.

FWIW, Brady is well behind schedule and could possibly miss 09 if he goes through a second surgery.

Yep, they are having to consider franchising him, 14mil per Morty.

Well, franchising is a good move if Brady misses another year. They way overpay, but only for a year.

The transition tag would save them money (uses top 10 salaries at position instead of top 5), but he'd have the right to refuse the tag. I would suspect he would do so unless the demand is very low for him.

I'll start up the Jeff George a Lion in 2009? thread.

I'll start up the Jeff George a Lion in 2009? thread.

Better yet.

http://mrsgrapevine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/mike_vick.jpg

DO IT

VICK DOESN'T LIKE CATS! HE LIKES DOGS!

I bet he's not specific to dogs. He just likes animals that fight.

Obviously he'd have no interest in these Lions.

If we draft anything besides O-line, D-line with the first three picks I'm done with the pussies... er wait that already happened.

If they land Philly's GM as rumored then McNabb has a foot in the door.

I'd be content with O-line, D-line, or LB with the first 3 picks.

RotoWorld...


The franchise number for quarterbacks this offseason is $14.65 million.
That will be Matt Cassel's exact cap charge if the Patriots franchise him and is nearly identical to Tom Brady's cap number. The Patriots will be investing nearly $30 million at the quarterback position if they keep both players.

I know I would pay Cassel that much to start here rather than drafting Stafford or Bradford and paying them a massive bonus...

What is Cassel worth in the draft? Our #1

I personally want nothing to do with Cassel. To high a price to me and with our team as it is (ie. shitty on talent) we're never going to get back return on anything we give for him, both in terms of trade and salary.

I don't know, but I like Matt Cassel alot. He's already proven, so there's not much risk involved that there would be with a draft pick. Plus, he was an understudy for one of the best QB's of all time and part of the best organization in the league. He'd be coming from a winning culture, and would be great to have here to start off Schwartz era.

There will be no optomism opening next season with Culpepper or Kitna under center, at least with Cassel you bring in a guy who can be your QB for the next 5 years.

He's mobile, he's got a huge arm, and he won more games this year for New England than Kitna has the last 3 years.

IDK. I think he'd be worth a high price tag. You get a guy like Cassel who has some polish, then you may have eliminated 2 years of the rebuilding process...

I wouldn't give up the #1 pick for him, but I'd give up #33 for him.

Maybe #20, but I'm not sure. If Schwartz/Mayhew really planned on drafting a QB in Rd 1, I'd rather trade that pick to NE for Cassel than draft one.

I'd rather get an offensive line that can keep the QB from getting torn apart out there before we start grabbing at our franchise QB. Cassel wouldn't be able to do half of what he did in NE because he'd get demolished every time he dropped back.

What is he worth on the open market? Certainly not 14 mil a year.

Drew Brees got 10 mil a year as a FA.

What is he worth on the open market? Certainly not 14 mil a year.

Drew Brees got 10 mil a year as a FA.

Well, Cassel isn't going to hit the open market. He's probably going to get franchised and could only be acquired via trade.

If by some chance he does hit the open market, we'd probably have to overpay a little bit...

Maybe $9-11 mill a year? I'm not completely sure how NFL contracts are allocated, sometimes the year-to-year salary is somewhat lower, and it's the signing bonus, which doesn't count against the cap, are the kickers.

Plus, 2010 is looking to be an un-capped year. So you could back-load Cassel's contract if you have to.

I'd rather get an offensive line that can keep the QB from getting torn apart out there before we start grabbing at our franchise QB. Cassel wouldn't be able to do half of what he did in NE because he'd get demolished every time he dropped back.

See here's where I'm confused on what route the Lions will go.

This was from RotoWorld via the FreePress...


After watching four 2008 game films, new Lions OC Scott Linehan observed that LT Jeff Backus played "good football" last season

Now if Linehan's input carries any weight in the front office, then they won't draft an OT first overall.

Maybe this is just all part of the Lions ploy to send out mixed signals so nobody can get a lead on what they're going to do.

Good football? Eh.

I still would have rather seen :us: draft a LT last year with Backus moving to RT. According to pretty much everyone before and after the draft, Cherilus is a RT and would not do well at LT. The coaching staff had him learn both positions but it was more to make him a backup at LT that could step in if something happened to Backus. I never got the feeling they were looking at moving him over there long term.

Nope, Cherilus is and will be a RT, that's what he is and will be best at. I see us keeping Backus until the contract ends, probably -- or it could be smokescreen. Who knows.. I can't wait til the draft. Except I have a fucking exam that day, cutting into my drinking time heavily.

This is from an old Scout poster re Cassel....fairly knowledgable.


If they tag him and he signs the tag it would likely cost 20 and a third that appears to be what team s give up for tagged player. If Pats tag him they will likely let him go and work his own deal.

Thats what happened to Allen and Vilma last year this allows Pats to decide which offer to take also which team they would rather have him go to.

If he is not tagged it becomes a bidding war in FA and Vikes IMO will out bid Lions but he might like to play for Lions you never know what a player likes. He may feel he is sure to be start for Lions long time but with Vikes they may shift back.

Just listen to that grammar, he must be smart!

I do hope someone can correct me on this, but I remember a backup QB in Miami not too long ago who was the backup to a hall of fame QB but whose team wanted to keep for their transition. He'd played well when the top QB was out for injury. Scott Mitchell anyone. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

I absolutely agree.

Also, does anyone remember how nervous Pats nation was when Cassel got the start the first time? Wasn't this a kid who amazingly hadn't had (I can remember what accomplishment it was, but it was all I heard about for a week) a certain success not only at college but even at high school?

So suddenly they put him behind a line and give him Randy Moss and Wes Welker and he's the next big thing.

Anyone ever think that putting him behind 5 douchebags and giving him Calvin Johnson and no one else will lead to a lot of sacks and interceptions on balls intended for CJ?

I'm going back and forth on this one. Scott Mitchell was the first thing I thought of too but I don't think it's quite the same. In 93, Mitchell showed flashes of being a competent QB with maybe the potential of being something more. Last year, Cassel showed flashes of being a star.

Yeah, the New England system is tailor made for a QB to succeed in, but I don't necessarily think that just anybody could do so. There are dozens of guys in the NFL (or out of it) who can make all the throws, but just as important are confidence, quick decision making and leadership, at least the first 2 of which Cassel has proven to have.

I think we at least have to consider him.

I do hope someone can correct me on this, but I remember a backup QB in Miami not too long ago who was the backup to a hall of fame QB but whose team wanted to keep for their transition. He'd played well when the top QB was out for injury. Scott Mitchell anyone. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.


Look what this franchsie has done to us...

Just listen to that grammar, he must be smart!

He's not from the US...considering that...not bad.

What is the last backup to sign somewhere (even own team) as the most coveted FA QB and succeed?

2008: Derek Anderson (benched)
2007: Schaub (hasn't done anything great)
2006: Drew Brees (great, but proved it over multiple seasons)
2006: Jon Kitna (another great find)
2005: Jeff Garcia (he was great here, huh?)
2004: Jeff Garcia (did great in Cleveland, huh?)

Only Brees has done squat, and we already knew he was good. He had an injury question or they never would have went to Rivers.

I put Kitna in there for 2006 because as I said Brees proved he was legit.

According to a gossip column in the NY Daily News, Matt Cassel was urinated on in the bathroom during the Super Bowl.

An intoxicated man allegedly tried to cut in front of Cassel at the Raymond James Stadium urinals. After Cassel told the drunk to wait his turn, the man "barged in and proceeded to purposefully pee directly" on Cassel's leg. Security tossed the liquored-up individual, but Cassel was forced to return to his seats with smelly wet pants. He'll surely be able to replace them with what's set up to be an exceptionally lucrative offseason. Feb. 2 - 2:53 pm et

He sounds like a good fit for the Lions.

With the team looking for a new logo, perhaps it could be the classic Lion with a golden shower happening.

Cassel was forced to return to his seats with smelly wet pants.

And I'm still sittin' in my dirty old pee pants right now

please let somebody get this

Matt Cassel = Scott Mitchell

Well I guess Glenn was closer than we thought at the time.

Well I guess Glenn was closer than we thought at the time.

BUT HE HATES STUCKEY AND LOVES FLIP MURRAY, DARRRR!

Reading old threads is always interesting.

And quit hiding threads too

And quit hiding threads too

You being a douchebaglol because you rather push all threads into one to satisfy one of your many OCD's is not a wild conspiracy. Some accountability woulda been nice, but otherwise just expressing my opinion of the move and your reasoning.

You don't seem to be happy or calm today

Always, always calm.