Wallace on WDFN: Flip wasn't tough enough on Pistons players to earn their respect

by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com
Tuesday September 30, 2008, 11:20 AM

The beginning of a new season is just around the corner for the Detroit Pistons, and Rasheed Wallace thinks the difference between former coach Flip Saunders and new coach Mike Curry is palpable. He makes it crystal clear that Saunders didn't have respect from some players, nor did he do anything to deserve it.

"Everything wasn't peaches and cream with Flip and I," Wallace said on WDFN's The Stoney and Wojo Show. There was always that mutual respect. But who's to say the same thing might not happen with Mike (Curry)? Mike has our respect, but you never know what it could be. But as far as the coaching change, it definitely feels different around here."

Wallace finally admitted that Saunders approach didn't keep the players disciplined enough to garner their respect.

"No, he wasn't (tough enough). In my opinion, he wasn't. He let too many things slide. And that goes as far as myself, and what some of my teammates have done. With L.B. (Larry Brown), I think really, honestly, it was a respect level. Everyone respected Larry. Even though then, we had more of a veteran team, but everyone respected Larry, and everyone respects Mike now."

Listen to the whole interview to hear Sheed talk about what will happen the first time he gets benched by Curry, and why Flip should have stood up to his team: http://blog.mlive.com/pistons_impact/2008/09/x080929-wdfn-rasheed-wallace.mp3

I still loves me some LB.

And what the fuck is a "Zaroo"?

you respect the fuckin coach no matter what you stupid ass. makin 10 mil a year and the guy gets to pick and choose who he respects, makes me want to puke.

Just because the guy is your boss doesn't mean you have to respect them. You may have to do what you're told but you certainly don't have to respect them, especially if they are a blubbering idiot as Flip Saunders most certainly was.

I apologize, this thread should have been titled "Mr. Wallace on Mr. Saunders".

Rasheed and I think he and Chauncey should have been shipped off this summer. I think we can get Chauncey to agree if we just talk to him when he's over the house next.

Very good, Master Fool.

Just because the guy is your boss doesn't mean you have to respect them. You may have to do what you're told but you certainly don't have to respect them, especially if they are a blubbering idiot as Flip Saunders most certainly was.

Exactly. I had a boss that was on salary (which meant you "work whatever hours are needed to complete the job, but average 40 hours a week unless needed for more" from the employee handbook). He came in at 9-9:30 every day and left at 3-3:30 most days. He'd also take 1-2 hours of lunch in there and sometimes not come back from lunch.

I didn't respect him as a boss. I did what he said because that is my job. But there was no respect there for his managerial skills.

Respect as in "follow his orders" and respect as in "I think he's sweet" are 2 different things. Which is Sheed commenting on?

Respect as in "follow his orders" and respect as in "I think he's sweet" are 2 different things. Which is Sheed commenting on?


that is the question

Respect as in "follow his orders" and respect as in "I think he's sweet" are 2 different things. Which is Sheed commenting on?
"follow his orders" is respecting his power.

"I think he does a good job" is respecting his abilities.

This tells me they didn't even respect his power:


Wallace finally admitted that Saunders approach didn't keep the players disciplined enough to garner their respect.

he didn't say Flip's offense sucked or anything. He said a lack of discipline caused a lack of respect.

Exactly. I had a boss that was on salary (which meant you "work whatever hours are needed to complete the job, but average 40 hours a week unless needed for more" from the employee handbook). He came in at 9-9:30 every day and left at 3-3:30 most days. He'd also take 1-2 hours of lunch in there and sometimes not come back from lunch.

I didn't respect him as a boss. I did what he said because that is my job. But there was no respect there for his managerial skills.


Here is the fundamental flaw in your thinking.....Your boss probably wrote the employee handbook hence is lack of willingness to abide by it.

I only know since I wrote my for my work. 99% of it doesn't apply to me.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your thinking.....Your boss probably wrote the employee handbook hence is lack of willingness to abide by it..
Actually he didn't if he gets salary rather than profit. And should abide by it if he wants his workers to give a damn.

Here is the fundamental flaw in your thinking.....Your boss probably wrote the employee handbook hence is lack of willingness to abide by it.

I only know since I wrote my for my work. 99% of it doesn't apply to me.

Wrong. That was when I worked for Oakland County. The handbook was written by the HR department. He wasn't even a department head, simply the head of my specific user group. In fact, all other group supervisors did adhere to the policy (as best as they could).

If it was a private company and he owned it, then you have nothing to complain about, I agree.

Actually he didn't if he gets salary rather than profit. And should abide by it if he wants his workers to give a damn.

Right. the reason he is on salary is that his group may require work beyond the normal hours put in by his non-overtime eligible employees. Since we could not work more than 40 hours (it would be the taxpayers footing the bill), the group supervisors would have to cover any work that needed to be done beyond the normal work week. It protected the average citizen from paying OT. So the salary workers are expected to work more some times and less other times so it all averages out...all while getting paid salary and not billing by the hour. He abused the system and made his own hours.

The pivotal moment was when Flip didn't discipline Ben after bailing in Orlando.

and when Flip was named head coach.

and when Flip was named head coach.
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In Before Kstat Defends Flip And Disses Sheed

In Before Kstat Defends Flip And Disses Sheed
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he's not saying anything that wasn't clear to most of us two years ago. Strike that, two and a half years ago. A lot of good it does now.

I'm not sure the whole comparison between our workplaces and an NBA team really is valid. NBA players are called upon to be away from home a lot, execute enormous physical exertion, and stay acutely mentally sharp for hours at a time, whereas I am posting on WTF from work.

Players play high.

I'm not sure the whole comparison between our workplaces and an NBA team really is valid. NBA players are called upon to be away from home a lot, execute enormous physical exertion, and stay acutely mentally sharp for hours at a time, whereas I am posting on WTF from work.

well, I wasn't trying to compare my work load to Sheed's. However, I can attest to the difference between respecting authority and respecting the ability to manage. They are different. I think Sheed was saying they didn't even respect his authority.