Granted, this is from an MSU guy, but I think the analysis is sound.

"Looking at MSU's commit list....15 guys and around 2/3 of them are over 200-pounds. If you want to consider DJ Young a 16th commit, that % gets even higher.

Looking at UM, they have 16 commitments and around 2/3 are under 200-pounds. That includes a DB prospect that is listed as being over 200-pounds.

How many RB/WR's DB's do they want to have? I mean a talent like Minor is pretty much being wasted. That kid should be a workhorse.

Now they have offered Thomas Gordon in addition to the long list of other RB/WR/DB types?

This is the Big Ten and you better have some beef on the OL/DL or else you are going to be in trouble. The fact is that the bust rate for OL/DL guys is probably 33% at minimum. You go out and take a bunch of skill guys at expense of the big uglies and it is going to catch-up with you at some point.

This stuff may work against teams like UConn, USF or Cincy. But when you have to face teams like PSU, Wisc, MSU and OSU you better have the horses in the trenches. Imagine right now if PSU had not stockpiled quality DL/LB's the past few years?

Some of these kids like Jones or Gordon could easily be the next Jerome Jackson...kids with talent that get lost in a numbers game.

I know recruiting is about meeting needs, but this just seems bizzare.

I hope the offer to Gordon was not instigated by the Campbell de-commit. It would be one thing if they offered becasue they like the kid and MSU forced their hand, it would be another if Campbell's situation had an impact.

Hey R-Rod is going to do things his way, he has already stated as much. However, that mindset seems awfully familiar to the way JLS and some of his boys operated."

I stopped reading after they said Minor should be a workhorse. Do we want him to average 2 to 3 fumbles a game?

So whomever wrote this thinks that they are smarter than RR and the UM coaching staff, it would appear.

Interesting take.

So whomever wrote this thinks that they are smarter than RR and the UM coaching staff, it would appear.

Interesting take.
I think the main point of the article is that the approach RR is taking has not shown to work in conferences like the Big Ten and, perhaps more worrisome if you are a UM fan, it very much resembles John L.`s approach when he was at MSU.

Even when JLS had is gimmicky offense clicking at MSU with Stanton, Lloyd still beat them by being able to run the ball and stop the run.

So the assumption is that RR doesn't recognize this and/or doesn't have a plan that the writer of this piece isn't privy to?

Didn't um enroll about 6 OL and 4 LB this past year? I think they need more depth at DL (DE specifically), but I don't consider the other positions as major weaknesses. It is always better to have perfect balance, but i think the jls comparisons are premature despite the sparty dreams.

So the assumption is that RR doesn't recognize this and/or doesn't have a plan that the writer of this piece isn't privy to?
RR may, or may not, recognize this. However, some may reason that RR doesn`t understand the realities of football in the Big Ten and will stubbornly move ahead with his skill position/speed first approach (just as JLS did) only to come to the conclusion it doesn`t cut it. Time will tell, but at this point I think it is 50/50.

I think this assessment is crap, and not because I'm a UM fan.

Who gives a crap that this is the Big Ten? Screw the Big Ten! What has the Big Ten won? We've produced a Buckeye squad that gets their ass handed to them two years in a row by the SEC.

That tells me that more teams, if they want to be the prize of the Big Ten, should emulate those SEC teams.

Based on that I looked at the recruiting classes for those schools. Specifically, I looked at guys that would have been in their 4th year when that school won the championship. I eliminated OL, DL and TE and looked at the rest of the class.

LSU's 2004 class including 15 such players. 2 were Juco's and would have been long gone before the championship. So of the 13 remaining, the average weight was 204 lbs. They also happened to have a 285 lb DT that was one of the top picks in the draft last year in Glenn Dorsey. UM would have their Dorsey if Campbell ever recommits.

Florida's 2003 class featured 13 such players, with one of them being a juco. The remaining 12 averaged 200 lbs right on. That even included an undersized safety who, at 174 lbs, overcame that and put on 28 lbs over the years and finally Reggie Nelson was drafted in the first round. Even their future 1st round DE, Jarvis Moss, weighed a smallish 220 lbs at that time. He currently lists at 265.

So to hell with weight. If you ask me State, while it's improving their program, is going in the wrong direction. It may make you a stable team that contends every year but is rarely quite good enough (which is an improvement so I guess you can't be too upset) but Wal-Mart fans have known the frustration that comes with that.

Thanks, but we'll take the National Championships we expect to compete for, and I think this recruiting follows a pattern recent champs have proven.

RR may, or may not, recognize this. However, some may reason that RR doesn`t understand the realities of football in the Big Ten and will stubbornly move ahead with his skill position/speed first approach (just as JLS did) only to come to the conclusion it doesn`t cut it.


Comparing RR to JLS is a total joke. U of M's football program isn't a shotty piece of irrelavant garbage with no tradition like Michigan State is.

RR can focus on skill positions right now because every single person on the O-Line is returning next season.

Ortmann, Zirbel, Ferrara, Schilling, Huyge, Moosman, Molk, Dorrestein, O'Neill, Mealer, Wermers, Barnum, Omameh, McAvoy...and so on...

all will be back, so he can be a little bit greedy and stock up on skill players this year...



Time will tell, but at this point I think it is 50/50

Sure you do...

What that article doesn't take into consideration (besides the huge class of '08) is that UM is very high on the list of two very good DL in Roh and Lalota, and they will probably get two to three OL yet. Oh, and Campbell hasn't taken off for the sunny beaches of California so far. There's plenty of beef out there.
Like Jethro, I bristle at the "Big Ten" way, which is to go out and get bumrushed at bowl time, and to lose most of the big out of conference games.
But I do like how he puts MSU into the category of Big Bad Big 10 teams. Yeah, haven't they won like seven conference games over the last three years?
UM, especially if Campbell and Roh and a couple OL commit, will have pretty good depth along both lines. Guys will be developed and beefed up as needed. What RR would like to do is something that would be new to Michigan and the Big Ten: rotate players instead of leaving the first team in there until it's time to take a knee. Then, your smallish defenders won't be huffing and puffing in the second half. It may be working, as in the first two games, UM appeared to be stronger than the opposition in both, AND the first game was against Utah's OL which averaged over 300.

Just to put it out there, bukdow: This new staff emphasizes speed. It's not like the defensive line will be 6'2 220 lbs guys. And this staff emphasizes depth. AND, this staff will emphasize, once they get to the point they can do so, being up on teams and then not backing off. So, if the guys get a little winded, they won't be protecting a 17-9 lead as in the past, but a 35-9 lead. Big difference. I know there is a long way to go to get to that point, but hopefully it's coming.

Comparing RR to JLS is a total joke. U of M's football program isn't a shotty piece of irrelavant garbage with no tradition like Michigan State is.

RR can focus on skill positions right now because every single person on the O-Line is returning next season.

Ortmann, Zirbel, Ferrara, Schilling, Huyge, Moosman, Molk, Dorrestein, O'Neill, Mealer, Wermers, Barnum, Omameh, McAvoy...and so on...

all will be back, so he can be a little bit greedy and stock up on skill players this year...



Sure you do...


I realize the academic requirements at www.university.com are not exactly stringent, but the term is shoddy.

What that article doesn't take into consideration (besides the huge class of '08) is that UM is very high on the list of two very good DL in Roh and Lalota, and they will probably get two to three OL yet. Oh, and Campbell hasn't taken off for the sunny beaches of California so far. There's plenty of beef out there.
Like Jethro, I bristle at the "Big Ten" way, which is to go out and get bumrushed at bowl time, and to lose most of the big out of conference games.
But I do like how he puts MSU into the category of Big Bad Big 10 teams. Yeah, haven't they won like seven conference games over the last three years?
UM, especially if Campbell and Roh and a couple OL commit, will have pretty good depth along both lines. Guys will be developed and beefed up as needed. What RR would like to do is something that would be new to Michigan and the Big Ten: rotate players instead of leaving the first team in there until it's time to take a knee. Then, your smallish defenders won't be huffing and puffing in the second half. It may be working, as in the first two games, UM appeared to be stronger than the opposition in both, AND the first game was against Utah's OL which averaged over 300.

Just to put it out there, bukdow: This new staff emphasizes speed. It's not like the defensive line will be 6'2 220 lbs guys. And this staff emphasizes depth. AND, this staff will emphasize, once they get to the point they can do so, being up on teams and then not backing off. So, if the guys get a little winded, they won't be protecting a 17-9 lead as in the past, but a 35-9 lead. Big difference. I know there is a long way to go to get to that point, but hopefully it's coming.
Hey, zippy! Good to hear from you. As far as RR goes, I guess we will just have to wait and see. I am dubious.

Yeah, bukdow, this one is a BIG wait and see. He'll either nail it, or flop and be gone after four years. There won't be any Loydy middle ground where UM fans are reduced to whining about "Hey, haven't we won more games than anybody else in the whole wide world?"
You know, cuz about fourteen people give a fuck about that.

Yeah, bukdow, this one is a BIG wait and see. He'll either nail it, or flop and be gone after four years. There won't be any Loydy middle ground where UM fans are reduced to whining about "Hey, haven't we won more games than anybody else in the whole wide world?"
You know, cuz about fourteen people give a fuck about that.
Being the left conservative I am, it is just difficult to see RR as the coach at UM. Do you think it is possible that RR only reaches the same level of success as Lloyd? Would that be horrible? Would it be acceptable? Will it have been worth it?

Well, axe yourself if after 13 years you'd have a record of 122-40 and an NC? and even with Tressel bitch slapping Lloyd he was 6-7 against OSU.

Well, axe yourself if after 13 years you'd have a record of 122-40 and an NC? and even with Tressel bitch slapping Lloyd he was 6-7 against OSU.
Well, thats what I am saying. Everybody dogged the shit out of Lloyd, but if RR can duplicate what Lloyd did he will be doing damn well. I just think everyone is going over the top thinking RR is going to turn UM into the SEC north and win multiple championships. He may not flop either. RR has big shoes to fill and a long way to go in filling them.

bukdow: The problem is that UM blundered mightily under Lloyd in big games after the Orange Bowl win. Lloyd just won the vast majority of the games he should have. That's about all you can say.

Rodriguez IS an SEC style coach. Let's take a look at some of the recent new coaches in the Big 11.
Bielema: Same ol same ol, but left with alot of "Wisconsin" talent by Alvarez and doing a good job of just doin the same boring (though effective) shit.
Fitzgerald: Northworstern is Northworstern and they do what they do well, but that's enough time spent on Northworstern
Dantonio: Uh, pretty bland, gets his blood boiling, can't recruit worth a shit outside of Michigan and the Ohio leftovers, and a lot to prove.
Zook: SEC coach. Aggressive recruiter. Turns Illinois around and they now get to go to the Rose Bowl to get butt fucked by USC.

Biggest impact? The totally new guy who doesn't know about things like big fat ass OL, slow, giant quarterbacks, and the way it's "supposed" to be done in the Big Ten (except the losing the bowl game part).

Rodriguez's biggest nemesis is neurotic Michigan fans, and the schizophrenic culture at UM. These guys who think UM really IS Harvard (more than Harvard is Harvard), and really don't like sports. UM has always had that battle and always will, and bringing in the hillbilly from West Virginny just gives them mnore fuel. If it's a culture clash you see, you may be right. But UM is building new facilities all over the place, and I'm sure that they will put UM well into the 1980's modernity. Funny stat for ya: Rodriguez graduated 65% of his players at WVU; Lloyd tooled along at 63%.

You can never answer the question of whether it is worth it, but if RR doesn't outdo Lloyd he's a flop in my book. And by outdo Lloyd, I mean that UM fans don't want to get bitchslapped on national tv for nearly a decade after a pretty good start to a career. They don't want to be forgotten in the national title hunt by October 31. They don't want to be remembered for losing a 54-51 game to Northworstern. They don't want to see the team suffer 4th quarter collapses that could only be choreographed by a guy who is afraid to win.
Lot's of intangibles, really.

bukdow: The problem is that UM blundered mightily under Lloyd in big games after the Orange Bowl win. Lloyd just won the vast majority of the games he should have. That's about all you can say.

Rodriguez IS an SEC style coach. Let's take a look at some of the recent new coaches in the Big 11.
Bielema: Same ol same ol, but left with alot of "Wisconsin" talent by Alvarez and doing a good job of just doin the same boring (though effective) shit.
Fitzgerald: Northworstern is Northworstern and they do what they do well, but that's enough time spent on Northworstern
Dantonio: Uh, pretty bland, gets his blood boiling, can't recruit worth a shit outside of Michigan and the Ohio leftovers, and a lot to prove.
Zook: SEC coach. Aggressive recruiter. Turns Illinois around and they now get to go to the Rose Bowl to get butt fucked by USC.

Biggest impact? The totally new guy who doesn't know about things like big fat ass OL, slow, giant quarterbacks, and the way it's "supposed" to be done in the Big Ten (except the losing the bowl game part).

Rodriguez's biggest nemesis is neurotic Michigan fans, and the schizophrenic culture at UM. These guys who think UM really IS Harvard (more than Harvard is Harvard), and really don't like sports. UM has always had that battle and always will, and bringing in the hillbilly from West Virginny just gives them mnore fuel. If it's a culture clash you see, you may be right. But UM is building new facilities all over the place, and I'm sure that they will put UM well into the 1980's modernity. Funny stat for ya: Rodriguez graduated 65% of his players at WVU; Lloyd tooled along at 63%.

You can never answer the question of whether it is worth it, but if RR doesn't outdo Lloyd he's a flop in my book. And by outdo Lloyd, I mean that UM fans don't want to get bitchslapped on national tv for nearly a decade after a pretty good start to a career. They don't want to be forgotten in the national title hunt by October 31. They don't want to be remembered for losing a 54-51 game to Northworstern. They don't want to see the team suffer 4th quarter collapses that could only be choreographed by a guy who is afraid to win.
Lot's of intangibles, really.
Although I do believe there are some in the UM establishment that cringe everytime folksy ol` Rich wears the blue and yellow, they also understand the importance of football generated revenue.

Every D-I school in the country wants for their team what you want for UM. If RR can get UM there is yet to be seen. I just not sure making the change to some sort of spread is the answer. USC, Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, etc. all run aspects of the spread, but run more of a pro-style offense. Those teams are always there because they always have the best talent and coaching. UM always finished about where it should considering the level of talent it had.

At this point I think we are speculating on speculations. Time will tell. I applaud UM for having the courage to make a huge change. We will see if it was the right change.

I just not sure making the change to some sort of spread is the answer.

bukdow, it's been two games, nobody is going to put any stock into what happens this season...

the recruiting will take care of itself, even RR himself said that...

people like to get on him for not recruiting the state of michigan enough, when in reality it's not like michigan is a "hot bed" of 4-5 star D1 talent anyway, and it never will be...

to assume RR will be a failure, at this point, is way premature...nobody's fretting

It's not the spread itself that makes me happy with the hire. It's having a coach that is not stuck in the past and is willing to mix things up to stay competitive. Their speed is improving, they will attract better athletes (hopefully not with sacrificing the good players they were getting, like OL), and I have faith in RR to adapt his gameplan to match that improved talent.

It's not the spread itself that makes me happy with the hire. It's having a coach that is not stuck in the past and is willing to mix things up to stay competitive. Their speed is improving, they will attract better athletes (hopefully not with sacrificing the good players they were getting, like OL), and I have faith in RR to adapt his gameplan to match that improved talent.

Bingo. Lloyd produced NFL-caliber players which didn't exactly translate into being a Natl' Title contender. Rich Rod will have the type of athletes who may not necessarily be cut out for the NFL, but can run circles around people at the NCAA level, and that's going to translate into more wins, IMO. What he was able to do at WV, he should be twice as sucessful doing at UM.

Bingo. Lloyd produced NFL-caliber players which didn't exactly translate into being a Natl' Title contender. Rich Rod will have the type of athletes who may not necessarily be cut out for the NFL, but can run circles around people at the NCAA level, and that's going to translate into more wins, IMO. What he was able to do at WV, he should be twice as sucessful doing at UM.
Can you quantify this statement or is it just hyperbole?

Can you quantify this statement or is it just hyperbole?


I'll try and quantify it for you.

What I meant was, when RR was at West Virginia, he wasn't able to get the attention of many big name recruits, there's no way he could've gotten a Sam McGuffie or Anthony Lalota to sign on the dotted line to go play in Morganstown. He has a geographical disadvantage, because unless your from WV, you don't dream of being a Mountaineer, nor pay any attention to the program. Now, despite that, Rich Rod was still able to take his mediocre recruiting classes and take players that weren't highly regarded in high school, and translate that into a successful team the last couple years, even leading them to a couple BCS Bowl Game victories over Georgia & Oklahoma (albeit he didn't coach the OU win). Now I completey disregard Noel Devine as a guy RR landed by himself, Noel ended up at WVU strictly because he was a problem child and dumber than hell to play at Florida State. Now at Michigan, RR doesn't have those 'handicaps', he can go anywhere he wants in the country, and Michigan is never going to be as tough a sell as WV is. The recruting classes even up to this point speak for themselves, he's going to have a top 10 class this year, and with his system which has worked everywhere he's been, theres no reason to think it won't at UM, and with the types of kids he'll be able too snag, the sky's the limit...

So quantifying it (per the request of someone who regularly fails to back up many of his statements - a la Detroit PSL kids being problematic thugs) may mean that if you take the average number of 4 and 5 star kids RR got to commit per year at WVU, you can double it and that's what he should get here, yes?

Bingo. Lloyd produced NFL-caliber players which didn't exactly translate into being a Natl' Title contender. Rich Rod will have the type of athletes who may not necessarily be cut out for the NFL, but can run circles around people at the NCAA level, and that's going to translate into more wins, IMO. What he was able to do at WV, he should be twice as sucessful doing at UM.
I'm sorry but I personally dont believe that. USC builds nothing but pro ready players and win national titles because of it. IMO we went the opposite way of where we needed to. Carr needed more pro idealism and pro sets, his was pro like but too simple at times compared to pete carroll's offensive coordinator's playcalls. Spread offense woulda been a great wrinkle in our previous set, not a whole offense.

USC is in a category of there own.

Nobody compares to the way they go about themselves as a football program, so for the sake of discussion, I'm not going to compare Michigan to USC. Nobody's ever going to out-do them.

All I know is, I hate Morgan Trent.

I think bukdow and Codename V may be winning the day here if two things are true: That Michigan didn't need to go hogwild spread; instead, just upgrade the talent a bit, upgrade in coaching and S&C and facilities, and then turn that talent loose.
The second thing that would make it true is if RR were to go Pat White, couldn't recruit any better at UM than he could at WVU (and it is clear he is going to need to be a recruiting gonzo motherfucker to keep up with OSU, Illinois, Penn State now, and possibly to keep ahead of the Sparties), and use that shit running spread that he had to with White.

I don't see that perfect storm happening. I think UM is going to use a spread that passes more than runs (60-40), and RR's recruiting is really looking like there is a system, a plan if you will, in place. One advantage RR brings to UM (besides BARWIS) is that he is a great coach with a great offense which, with talent, I believe gives him an advantage in the bIg Ten, and as we've seen the last three years, in bowl games.

I think bukdow and Codename V may be winning the day here if two things are true: That Michigan didn't need to go hogwild spread; instead, just upgrade the talent a bit, upgrade in coaching and S&C and facilities, and then turn that talent loose.
The second thing that would make it true is if RR were to go Pat White, couldn't recruit any better at UM than he could at WVU (and it is clear he is going to need to be a recruiting gonzo motherfucker to keep up with OSU, Illinois, Penn State now, and possibly to keep ahead of the Sparties), and use that shit running spread that he had to with White.

I don't see that perfect storm happening. I think UM is going to use a spread that passes more than runs (60-40), and RR's recruiting is really looking like there is a system, a plan if you will, in place. One advantage RR brings to UM (besides BARWIS) is that he is a great coach with a great offense which, with talent, I believe gives him an advantage in the bIg Ten, and as we've seen the last three years, in bowl games.


I was thinking the type of spread Lloyd used in the bowl game Vs. Florida.

Henne was in the gun for 95% of that game, and Hart rushed for over 100+ getting all his carries out of the shotgun. Arrington, Manningham, and Mathews all we're productive and got plenty of looks as well.

That was the type of "spread" I was thinking of, but really, the spread we have now is just splitting hairs, we don't have manningham or arrington who we're both NFL caliber WR's...and Threet isn't Henne (although Threets far more athletic)

If players like Bryce McNeil and Reuben Randle, who aren't little scatback slot WR's, are interested in UM, the coaches must be at least saying the right things and backing them up with something.

^^yeah, and Stonum too

If players like Bryce McNeil and Reuben Randle, who aren't little scatback slot WR's, are interested in UM, the coaches must be at least saying the right things and backing them up with something.

I don't know why people keep saying all we can get now are scatty slot WR's. I mean, look at the deep ball Hemingway caught vs. Utah, and Mathews' should have been touchdown vs. ND. We still throw the ball down the field.

I think people still mistake the RR offense for the "Pat White can't throw a ball 4 yards or more" offense. Thus the misconception that the spread only can and will ever have 140 lb. midgets at WR.

The word "spread" has become the most misleading term in college football now.


"Air It Out" Spread- June Jones, Mike Leach
"Fun N Gun" Spread- Steve Spurrier
"Balanced Attack" Spread- Les Miles, Urban Meyer
"Favor the Run" Spread- Ron Zook, Bobby Johnson (Vandy)
"Ass Clown" Spread- John L. Smith

I think RR will have Mich somewhere between the Balanced Attack & Fun N Gun once he gets this ship rolling.

Getting Reuben Randle would only further suggest that's the way the offensive philosophy's heading.

Well, we don't have Randle yet, and I doubt we end up with either him or Jelani Jenkins (another 5 star, but Jenkins is a LB) but the fact that he's mentioned us as long as he has certainly says something.

By the way, in the very slim chance that we get Big Will back, along with Randle and Jenkins I would absolutely crap myself and sit in my chair and play with said feces for several minutes. All three would likely start next year and make the turnaround time for this team even shorter.

Well, we don't have Randle yet, and I doubt we end up with either him or Jelani Jenkins (another 5 star, but Jenkins is a LB) but the fact that he's mentioned us as long as he has certainly says something.

By the way, in the very slim chance that we get Big Will back, along with Randle and Jenkins I would absolutely crap myself and sit in my chair and play with said feces for several minutes. All three would likely start next year and make the turnaround time for this team even shorter.


"One Poster and a Cup"--you have definitely missed your calling.

Well, we don't have Randle yet, and I doubt we end up with either him or Jelani Jenkins (another 5 star, but Jenkins is a LB) but the fact that he's mentioned us as long as he has certainly says something.

By the way, in the very slim chance that we get Big Will back, along with Randle and Jenkins I would absolutely crap myself and sit in my chair and play with said feces for several minutes. All three would likely start next year and make the turnaround time for this team even shorter.

Not so fast my friend. It's just about a lock that we get Big Will back.

You have to take on the entire sentence. I'm confident we'll get Will, but it was the very slim chance that we would get him AND Randle and Jenkins.

So, to recap:

Chances of getting Will = quite good/near lock

Chances of getting all 3 (Will, Randle, & Jenkins) = very slim

I'm thinking the chances of getting Randle might have just crapped out with the huge get of Ricardo Miller.

I was listening to the Shep show this morning, and apparently the Mexican Militia in Texas uses the University of Michigan logo as their gang symbol. So much for Walmart Wolverines. Michigan fans are a bunch of Mexicans.

chances of landing

Big Will 99.9%
Jenkins 40% but as good as anyone else probobly a little bit better its gonna come down to PSU and MICH maybe stanford or nd but doubtfull
Randle 25% but no one really knows what hes thinking he does have a teammate dequinta jones coming to mich and he is gonna visit so you never know

Chances of all three somewhere in 10% area but hey thats better than any other schools chances of getting all three fwiw

What are the chances of landing Terrell Pryor?

^spicy

What are the chances of landing Terrell Pryor?

Well played, sir.

your right I was wrong not the first or the last but take it for what its worth which if you look at pryor means nothing but I am an alum and have several connections to the school also am involved in high school football im just telling what I hear from credible sources.

Do you know anything I already don't about the Michigan football program?

Don't sweat it, twins, we all bust each other's balls around here.

Your posts are required reading, fo' sure.

we all bust each other's balls around here.



You do?

lol

wait, I don't get it

your right I was wrong not the first or the last but take it for what its worth which if you look at pryor means nothing but I am an alum and have several connections to the school also am involved in high school football im just telling what I hear from credible sources.

Do you know anything I already don't about the Michigan football program?

Twins, I was just messin' with ya. You know a whole lot more about the recruiting process than I do, more about the recruits than I do, and probably more about Michigan Football than I do. So I enjoy reading your posts, regardless if you end up being right or not.

Everyone gets shit around here. Just ask Wilfredo.

its all good fellas im just sensitive about my twins getting busted

I feel good about Jelani Jenkins, IDK why, but when he looks at the situation here, Thompson, Logan & Panter graduating...

writings on the wall

its all good fellas im just sensitive about my twins getting busted

You and me both.

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