FWIW, that 2nd group (Stuckey, Afflalo, Amir, Max, Kwame) could be our starting 5 in any game against the Grizzlies and we would win.

That brings back memories. I remember having that discussion about Corliss/Barry/Zelly? and the Alternatorz.

I would LOVE to see a coach do that, just one game. Put all the regular starters on the bench and start the 2nd string against one of the shittier teams in the league.

Alternators-
PG - Hunter
SG - Barry
SF - Corliss
PF -
C -

Shit, someone fill in the blanks for me. We didn't still have Mikki Moore, I don't think. I'm pretty sure the Junkyard Dog was gone at that point as well, wasn't he?

Okur? Rebraca? Was that before or after Chucky Atkins?

Actually, Chucky was in there. Rebraca was a part of it. Okur was either not here yet or a rook, I believe, because it was definitely before he became our starter at PF.

Okur? Rebraca? Was that before or after Chucky Atkins?
atkins=shithole

Don't forget Mike James, Darvin Ham, Elden Campbell, and Bobby Sura.

Those were all bench contributors during that pre-Championship team, but I can't remember exactly who the bench 5 were that were mentioned in that context.

Chucky was in there.

Does Pepi Sanchez count?

Another spinoff thread!

Mike James and Darvin Ham didn't come around until the championship year, I thought. They weren't part of the Alternatorz. The Alternatorz died when Barry left.

Someone should split this off into a different thread.

Thanks Glenn.

WE NEED KSTAT

Also, my memories of the Alternatorz were Barry, Corliss, Zelly and that's about it.

Maybe Brian Cardinal or Damon Jones?

Don't forget Mike James, Darvin Ham, Elden Campbell, and Bobby Sura.

Those were all bench contributors during that pre-Championship team, but I can't remember exactly who the bench 5 were that were mentioned in that context.
IMO the Alternators died when Barry left 02-03 and none of those 4 were on the 02-03 team. They all came in 04. Mike James was a Pitbull not an Alternator.

Damn these split threads. I agree with Z because Z agrees with me.

From Barry's Wiki, I didn't write this, but I wish that I had.


Jon's most memorable time as a player came in his two seasons playing for the Detroit Pistons. In 2001-02, Barry enjoyed a good season off the bench, co-leading "The Alternatorz" with 6th Man of the Year winner, Corliss Williamson. Barry, Williamson, Zeljko Rebraca, and Damon Jones made up the foursome off the bench that Rick Carlisle went to almost exclusively at the beginnings of the 2nd and 4th quarters.

p.s. I'm going back and editing "z"'s onto the end of all of my Alt. references.

I thought it had a z, but wasn't sure.

Please take note for your posts.

Atkins wasn't an Alternator, he was a starter. Cardinal wasn't because he didn't play.

They used to have the old rosters and stats on their website but I can't seem to find them anymore.

We need a Kstat signal similar to the old giffman signal:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/GlennDanzig/giffycall5ud.gif

What would Kstat's look like though?

N Player Ht Wt Ag DOB YRS Draft

3 Ben Wallace C 206 109 29 1974 7 -
30 Clifford Robinson PF 208 102 37 1966 14 36-89
12 Michael Curry SF 196 95 35 1968 9 -
32 Richard Hamilton SG 201 87 25 1978 4 7-99
1 Chauncey Billups PG 191 92 27 1976 6 3-97

13 Mehmet Okur C 211 113 24 1979 1 38-01
34 Corliss Williamson SF 201 111 30 1973 8 13-95
22 Tayshaun Prince SF 206 97 23 1980 1 23-02
20 Jon Barry SG 196 95 34 1969 11 21-92
7 Chucky Atkins PG 180 73 29 1974 4 -

39 Zeljko Rebraca C 213 117 31 1972 2 54-94
5 Danny Manning F - C 208 106 37 1966 15 1-88
52 Don Reid PF 203 113 30 1973 8 58-95
44 Hubert Davis G 196 83 33 1970 11 20-92
6 Pepe Sanchez PG 193 88 26 1977 2 -


The 2002-2003 Roster

The 2001-2002 Roster, which is when Barry joined the team. Not sure if he made up the nickname in his first or second season.

3 Ben Wallace C 206 109 28 1974 6 -
30 Clifford Robinson PF 208 102 36 1966 13 36-89
12 Michael Curry SF 196 95 34 1968 8 -
42 Jerry Stackhouse SG 198 99 28 1974 7 3-95
7 Chucky Atkins PG 180 73 28 1974 3 -

39 Zeljko Rebraca C 213 117 30 1972 1 54-94
31 Mikki Moore C 213 104 27 1975 4 -
34 Corliss Williamson SF 201 111 29 1973 7 13-95
20 Jon Barry SG 196 95 33 1969 10 21-92
14 Damon Jones PG 191 84 26 1976 4 -

44 Ratko Varda C 216 120 23 1979 1 -
9 Victor Alexander PF 208 120 33 1969 5 17-91
35 Brian Cardinal PF 203 111 25 1977 2 44-00
5 Rodney White F 206 108 22 1980 1 9-01
1 Dana Barros PG 180 75 35 1967 13 16-89


Also, Dana Barros started 20 games for us that season. Ugh!

That Barry quote about the lineup is talking about 01-02 exclusively then because Jones left that season and so wasn't on the team for Barry's second year. 02-03 Chucky had been replaced in the starting lineup by Chauncey and so was part of the 2nd squad.

It might be better to limit it to just 01-02 though because from what I remember the Alternatorz that year were like having two starting lineups (because our real starting lineup wasn't that great offensively). By 02-03 we had Rip, Billups, and then in the playoffs Tay in the starting lineup (Ben had already been in the starting lineup for a couple years) so we had a clearly better starting core than our bench.

Player G GS M P R A S B FG FT 3P
Zeljko Rebraca 74 4 16 6.9 3.9 0.5 0.4 1.0 50% 77% 0%
Mikki Moore 30 0 7 2.6 1.8 0.4 0.2 0.3 47% 77% 50%
Corliss Williamson 78 7 22 13.6 4.1 1.2 0.6 0.3 51% 80% 20%
Jon Barry 82 6 24 9.0 2.9 3.3 1.1 0.2 49% 93% 47%
Damon Jones 67 0 16 5.1 1.5 2.1 0.3 0.01 40% 73% 37%

I tried to make them as even as I could. Those are the Alternatorz 2001-2002 stats.


Dammit, all that work and the spaces don't even show so it doesn't line up

That Barry quote about the lineup is talking about 01-02 exclusively then because Jones left that season and so wasn't on the team for Barry's second year. 02-03 Chucky had been replaced in the starting lineup by Chauncey and so was part of the 2nd squad.

It might be better to limit it to just 01-02 though because from what I remember the Alternatorz that year were like having two starting lineups (because our real starting lineup wasn't that great offensively). By 02-03 we had Rip, Billups, and then in the playoffs Tay in the starting lineup (Ben had already been in the starting lineup for a couple years) so we had a clearly better starting core than our bench.

Good points. It was the 01-02 team.

I was about to kick you guys while reading the first couple of posts in this thread. The Alternatorz really was only one year: 2001-2002, the year the Pistons went back to red, white and blue.

It consisted of Damon Jones, John Barry, Corliss and Zelly. (I had the shirt somewhere). And it was a combined effort as to who came up with the name - Damon Jones and JB own the naming rights.

The next year we traded for Rip and signed Chauncey. The Alternatorz name didn't really stick around that year. However, at the beginning of the season, Carlisle didn't trust Rip and Chauncey to finish games off yet, so Chucky and Barry did a lot of the 4th quarters for the first 10-15 games.

Sounds about right for Carlisle, heh.

I didn't remember at all that it coincided with the end of the teal era. Wow. Talk about escaping to freedom.

I swear I remember Barry wearing a Teal uniform at some point.

Geez. For a Clevelander, you really know a lot about the Pistons.

I think we should bring back the Teal jerseys for 1-2 games per year, just to remind fans how lucky we are and how far we've come.

^^I agree. And for comedic purposes, of course.

Some day, those will be our "retro" jerseys (ala the lightning bolts).

They won't miss the opportunity to try to sell some of those (even as a joke).

Maybe even the red version of the teal jerseys every once in a while.

http://www.nba.com/media/pistons_19962001_01_240.jpg

Couldn't find any images of the Red horse jerseys.


Also, just for kicks:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y78/ChadFinn/439f_1.jpg

Is there a reason these aren't showing up how they're supposed to?

[fixed by adding the http:// --matt]

JB never wore a teal jersey, iirc. He was traded to the Pistons the summer before we wore the Red, White and Blue. That's why we never saw Mateen in the RW&B.

Some day, those will be our "retro" jerseys (ala the lightning bolts).

They won't miss the opportunity to try to sell some of those (even as a joke).

As much as I seriously despised the teal jerseys, I do prefer them to the horrible lightning bolts.

82games.com doesn't have the +/- stats for 01/02, but check these out for 02/03:
http://82games.com/0203DET.HTM

And then check Darko out here:
http://82games.com/0304DET.HTM

Hubert Davis was apparently a stud.

We need Tremaine Fowlkes back. BAD.