http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/hawks/entries/2008/07/26/switching_lanes.html?cxntfid=blogs_hawks


There are at least two, blockbuster sign-and-trade proposals the Hawks are chewing on regarding Smith (one from a Western Conference power and the other from an Eastern Conference big dog) that could dramatically change the landscape in Hawksville

You'd have to assume that's us, since all of the top east teams are over the cap, we'd be offering more than anybody else in a 3-way deal.

Most likely, either Minnesota or Memphis agreed to be a 3rd party.

Do whatever it takes, Joe. Write the Hawks a blank check for anybody on this roster except Stuckey. This needs to happen, and you're in a position to outbid anyone else with interest.

Wow, I can't wait to see the rumors to that when more leaks. Either way, the Hawks ownership should be forced to sale, after all of this time to finally put together a team worth watching, only to let it all fall away is so silly.

well. they could stay afloat with Tayshaun Prince and Amir Johnson. They just wouldn't be headed to bigger and better things.

I'd give up pretty much anyone outside of Stuckey to make this happen. He and Smith would be one hell of an exciting (and talented) young core.

the western conference team interessed in Josh seems to be the Lakers.


Atlanta and LA talking about an Odom for Josh Smith
swap.

The issue with trading for Smith is he'd be base year immediately. However, if he signed the same deal Billups got (5 years, $60.5 million, starting at $10 million), then the Pistons could trade either Billups and Prince or Billups and Sheed for Smith and Mike Bibby.

While many won't like Bibby, he's serviceable and, most importantly, he's an expiring contract, which would allow Stuckey to take over no later than next season. Did anyone else notice during the Team USA exhibition last night that Stuckey may have been the most impressive player on the select team that scrimmaged Team USA this past week?

Its almost definitely a 3 way trade. Smith's BYC status doesn't apply as much in that scenario.

Here's Dave Dial's take:


So a possible scenario would be something like this. Josh Smith(11 million) and Speedy Claxton(5.7 million) going to the Pistons, Tayshaun Prince(9.5) and Amir Johnson(3.66) going to Atlanta. That would work for Detroit because the Smith and Claxton contracts(16.7) would be within 25% + 100k(12.525) of the outgoing contracts of Prince and Amir(13.1).

But it would not work for the Hawks because of Smith's BYC status. They would still have to send out a contract worth 2.3 million to Memphis. This could be accomplished by the Hawks signing one or two of their own free agents to a one-year contract matching the 2.3 million. Detroit would have to send the Grizzlies a draft pick or the rights to a player in order for it to work, since Memphis would not be willing to take on even a small contract for nothing.

the western conference team interessed in Josh seems to be the Lakers.


Atlanta and LA talking about an Odom for Josh Smith
swap.

thats scary...lakers keep piling on

We can outbid Lamar freaking Odom. He's good but not THAT good.

the western conference team interessed in Josh seems to be the Lakers.


Atlanta and LA talking about an Odom for Josh Smith
swap.
Better suited in LA, don't want him here because i think it'll leave us severely fucked at SF if we exchange Tay.

We can outbid Lamar freaking Odom. He's good but not THAT good.

Haha lakers are probably saying the same thing

Honestly, I just cannot see Josh Smith becoming a Piston.

I don't mind seeing Bibby. He's not terrible, he's got playoff experience, and he's expiring.

I don't mind seeing Bibby. He's not terrible, he's got playoff experience, and he's expiring.
I used to love bibby, but his basketball IQ is kinda fried now. Dude does not look himself anymore and hasn't for the past couple years. Shoots too early, chucks way too much for a PG(more than billups even but less effective), and his defense was pretty putrid last year.

Again about 4-5 years ago he was one of my favorite pg's in the game, but he's not the same anymore.

would you do a billups/tay for bibby/smith ?

I used to love bibby, but his basketball IQ is kinda fried now. Dude does not look himself anymore and hasn't for the past couple years. Shoots too early, chucks way too much for a PG(more than billups even but less effective), and his defense was pretty putrid last year.

Again about 4-5 years ago he was one of my favorite pg's in the game, but he's not the same anymore.

Could that have anything to do with being on teams that weren't great? Or maybe his bad decisions made the teams bad, not sure.

Man, we are going to be amazing...

Melo, Artest, and J-Smoove on the same team? They should just hand us the 'ship.

JW, but why would we even consider Bibby as being close to the equivalent of Chauncey? It's not even close, IMO.

Could that have anything to do with being on teams that weren't great? Or maybe his bad decisions made the teams bad, not sure.
its the latter, ask tahoe, the kings played better w/o him.

Pistons say price too high for Hawks' Josh Smith

July 28, 2008

A team source confirmed the Pistons did approach the Atlanta Hawks weeks ago about a possible sign-and-trade deal involving restricted free agent small forward Josh Smith, but said Sunday that the two teams haven't talked in weeks.

The source indicated the Hawks were asking for too much, and both sides walked away from any possible deal.

A blog on the Atlanta Journal-Constitution's Web site said that a "Western Conference power and Eastern Conference big dog" have offered deals.

There has been speculation for several weeks that the Pistons would be interested in acquiring someone of Smith's caliber.

Smith, 22, averaged 17.2 points, 8.2 rebounds and 2.8 blocked shots in his fourth season in the league.

Vince Ellis
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080728/SPORTS03/807280364/1051

Seems like it's old news coming in far too late. Not so realistic at the moment. If we could've done the deal w/o giving up Tay, i would have been more into it myself.

But if you don't give up Tay, who do you give up? Billups? Rip?

Pistons keeping an eye on Hawks free agent Smith
by A. Sherrod Blakely
Monday July 28, 2008, 12:05 AM

AUBURN HILLS -- It's no secret the Detroit Pistons are among the teams watching the Josh Smith drama in Atlanta unfold with a lot of interest.

But according to a league official, a published report in Atlanta that made reference to an "Eastern Conference team" having a sign-and-trade offer on the table for Smith, is not Detroit.

In fact, it has been more than three weeks since the two teams talked.

Still, multiple league sources confirmed Sunday night that despite no sign-and-trade offer on the table between the two teams, Detroit remains very interested in the 22-year-old restricted free agent.

With free agency nearly a month old, Smith remains the most talented player still available.

Smith's coming off a career-best season in several categories, as well as helping snap an eight-season playoff drought for Atlanta. Those factors led many to believe a long-term deal would have been completed by now with the Hawks or another team.

However, the unexpected decisions by Elton Brand (he signed with Philadelphia) and Baron Davis (he signed with the Los Angeles Clippers) to become free agents, knocked Smith down a peg or two.

And, with so few teams having enough salary cap space to bring Smith aboard, coupled with Atlanta not willing to offer Smith the kind of big-money contract he's seeking, both sides are expected to look more closely at sign-and-trade options.

A sign-and-trade would be especially beneficial to the Hawks, who fear Smith might sign a one-year qualifying offer, play out this upcoming season and become an unrestricted free agent next summer.

For Detroit, which rarely makes a major free agency splash in the summer, having a chance to acquire a player of Smith's caliber in the summer usually is a far-fetched because, in the past, the Pistons weren't willing to acquire a player if it meant breaking up their core group of starters: Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Rasheed Wallace.

That all changed following the team's disappointing performance in losing to eventual NBA champion Boston in the Eastern Conference finals.

:no sacred cows:

Soon after the series loss, team president Joe Dumars fired Flip Saunders. And within moments of announcing Saunders' departure, Dumars said he was willing to trade anyone from within the team's core group as well as the rest of the roster with the exception of Rodney Stuckey.

Dumars has spoken with about half of the teams in the NBA about possible trades, but said recently that he's not "remotely close" to completing a deal.

"I like to act decisively whenever I'm trying to get something done," Dumars said. "But I'm well aware that there has to be another team that's willing, and there has to be a good deal for both teams. Those two things will slow you down in doing a deal."

With the unexpected departure of Josh Childress for Greece, Atlanta is noticeably thin at the small forward position. That's why if the Hawks were to do a sign-and-trade with Detroit, they likely would want the Pistons to part with Prince.


Joe Dumars isn't stupid, people. This is all a fabrication.

But if you don't give up Tay, who do you give up? Billups? Rip?
Well see that's the issue isn't it. Something major would have to go. A position you could fill. Which means Billups I guess. With that said I just don't value Josh Smith as much as others here and would like to see serious improvements in his one on one defense and halfcourt offense.. You can run up and down the court all game in the playoffs, and because of that his offensive numbers fell severely because of it.

All in all i'd rather give up Maxiell and a draft pick. Since essentially he's a rich man's version of maxiell in some ways.


With the unexpected departure of Josh Childress for Greece, Atlanta is noticeably thin at the small forward position. That's why if the Hawks were to do a sign-and-trade with Detroit, they likely would want the Pistons to part with Prince.
LOL...so basically it's "Shit, we are thin at SF, why don't we give you Josh Smith and you can be Thinner than us at SF, while we sit pretty with TAy and Marcus Williams? While we're at it can you bend over slowly and pull your pants down? It's for a good cause.".

If they'd actually take Max and a pick for him, that would be amazing, but unfortunately that would never happen. Rip would be another position you could fill because you could use a backcourt of Billups and Stuckey, with both players able to take the ball up the court and set up the offense, if you were one of the people worried about losing him next offseason.

If they'd actually take Max and a pick for him, that would be amazing, but unfortunately that would never happen. Rip would be another position you could fill because you could use a backcourt of Billups and Stuckey,
You lost me right here. Tell this to Glenn...lol

Not something I'd really want to do either, just saying they're both combo guards that could potentially be used that way.

Not something I'd really want to do either, just saying they're both combo guards that could potentially be used that way.
I agree that they CAN be. But Not something I'd want consistently to happen over 82 games.

I don't mind seeing it for little stretches during the game though. Gives the other team a new look, especially when Billups is getting trapped a lot.

I don't mind seeing it for little stretches during the game though. Gives the other team a new look, especially when Billups is getting trapped a lot.
No argument there. But starting and long minutes of it? no.

It has been mentioned many times that Dumars loves the idea of playing his two combo guards at the same time.

It has been mentioned many times that Dumars loves the idea of playing his two combo guards at the same time.
Pics and direct quotes or it didn't happen.

Actually, I do remember reading that a while back. He wasn't talking about playing them for entire games together, IIRC, but more of as a change of pace, he liked seeing them out there working together. But I don't remember where I read it so I don't know if that's 100% accurate.

Pics and direct quotes or it didn't happen.

lol, talk about a time consumer.

You either believe me or you don't, that's up to you.

lol, talk about a time consumer.

You either believe me or you don't, that's up to you.
Translation: You have neither.

You bring on the jabs then back down when I playfully jab back and put you on the spot? My feelings are hurt. :emo kid:

Actually, I do remember reading that a while back. He wasn't talking about playing them for entire games together, IIRC, but more of as a change of pace, he liked seeing them out there working together. But I don't remember where I read it so I don't know if that's 100% accurate.
Yea that's what I remember too. But Glenn says that he just loved it no strings attached and we must believe him or not. lol..

I'm not upset, just unwilling to sift through hundreds of articles for something that I know that I've read multiple times.

AOIDH

AOIDH
POTY

Yes, Dumars is a fan of a combo guard style backcourt. He'd probably be welcome to it full time, but he can't say that because that would mean RIP isn't in his plans. Since I think there is a good chance RIP will fall victim to a cheap budget here, I wouldn't mind sending him in a package for Smith. The problem is that Atlanta would have to be comfortable with him or Johnson playing SF there.

It would probably have to be some sort of RIP/Max for Smith/Law/pick type of trade.

Johnson is more of a combo guard, if memory serves. He played PG for them when they first traded for him, although he is much better suited as a SG.

So if you assume that the "eastern conference big dog" is not the Pistons, who else could it be?

What could Boston give Atlanta that they'd want?

Cleveland has nothing to give.

Who else could possibly considered a "big dog"?

Orlando?

Would they widely be considered a "big dog"?

I guess the problem here is the definition of "big dog".

They're the #4 team in the east, they're the closest thing to a big dog left after the 3 you mentioned. I wouldn't consider them a big dog though, and I'm not sure what they'd be able to give Atlanta.

Orlando doesn't have anything to offer them. If they aren't going to pay Smith, why would they take on Lewis and that contract for a guy that is no better than Smith? Perhaps they still consider Miami a big dog (chalking last year up to injuries?). I'm not sure they'd be in trade talks though considering their problem is already too many combo forwards. Toronto might be considered a big dog, but they don't really have anything to offer (Bosh won't be in the conversation).

My guess would be that the Cavs offered a S&T with sideshow bob for Smith. Atlanta won't take that, but the rumor didn't say the two sides were close did it?

Josh Smith update: There have been some reports about sign-and-trade scenarios for Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith. There's simply no market for him at the moment, according to a person familiar with the situation. Atlanta officials have received exactly one phone call about Smith, and those talks are old news and didn't last very long. (I checked, and the Knicks have not inquired about him, nor would they have any sane reason to given that they are in serious cost-cutting mode.)

The Hawks have a multi-year offer on the table for Smith that is pushing $60 million, according to a source. Smith's camp is hoping to find something better in a sign-and-trade and may very well drag out the impasse all the way through September, as the agents for Luol Deng and Ben Gordon did last season. Good luck!
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nba/blog/2008/07/morning_roundup_1.html

What happened with Deng and Gordon? I don't remember hearing about either of them getting locked up yet but I thought they were both free agents. Didn't Gordon sign a 1-year deal last year, maybe I'm "misremembering".

Edit: 10/24/06: The Chicago Bulls picked up the 2007-2008 team option on Luol Deng's contract.

10/24/06: The Chicago Bulls picked up the 2007-2008 team option on Ben Gordon's contract.

- per RealGM's Player Profiles


So they're both restricted FA's? Have we considered any sign and trade possibilities for Deng, I wonder, since Smith may be out of our price range. Can Deng play the 2 at all?

What happened with Deng and Gordon? I don't remember hearing about either of them getting locked up yet but I thought they were both free agents. Didn't Gordon sign a 1-year deal last year, maybe I'm "misremembering".

Edit: 10/24/06: The Chicago Bulls picked up the 2007-2008 team option on Luol Deng's contract.

10/24/06: The Chicago Bulls picked up the 2007-2008 team option on Ben Gordon's contract.

- per RealGM's Player Profiles


So they're both restricted FA's? Have we considered any sign and trade possibilities for Deng, I wonder, since Smith may be out of our price range. Can Deng play the 2 at all?


Absolutely no point in discussing a potential pistons/bulls trade. It would never happen in a billion, zillion years. Fuck the bulls.

I think Deng could play the two, he's pretty athletic. I assume you are illuding to a RIP/Deng swap. I would do it (assuming Deng's contract would be decent), but why would the Bulls? They'll already have Rose or Hinrich playing the 2, plus maybe Gordon back. They'd also have a hole at SF.

I don't think they would, it was just for curiousity's sake. Maybe a 3 team deal with Rip going to the thrid team, them sending a SF-type to the Bulls, the Bulls sending Deng to us. Deng would probably get a contract similar to Rip's. Again, extremely unlikely but fun to think about.

Interesting...from Hoopsworld


RUMOR HAS IT…

Today's section is geared exclusively towards the latest rumors floating around the NBA …

Josh Smith: No resolution yet in Atlanta. Josh Smith remains a restricted free agent and to date it doesn't appear the Hawks are willing to pay him the going rate - at least based on the numbers received by players like Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Emeka Okafor ($10-12 million a season).

The question remains, does Smith accept the team's qualifying offer of $3.2 million and look to leave as an unrestricted free agent next year? Or can the Hawks find a satisfactory sign-and-trade for the talented forward?

One hitch in any Smith negotiation is the widely misunderstood Base Year Compensation (BYC) clause that limits Atlanta's ability to trade him.

Assuming a team is over the salary cap, a team can take in more salary than they send out only if it comes within 125% + $100k of the incoming figure. In other words if a team is sending out a player making $10 million, they can take in as much as $12.6 million but no more. (Note: This doesn't apply for trade exceptions.)

Any raise over 20% makes a player BYC, meaning the team sending out the player is only credited for half of the player's salary (or their prior year's compensation, whichever is greater). That means if Smith signed a contract starting at $10 million, the league would consider the Hawks' outgoing number as $5 million. Factoring in the 125% + $100k cushion, the most they would be able to take in for Smith would be $6.35 million.

How does BYC impact potential suitors?


[B]Detroit Pistons: If the Pistons wanted to send forward Tayshaun Prince directly to Atlanta for Smith, the BYC factor would get in the way. Even if Smith signed for a salary equal to Prince's ($9.5 million), the Hawks would only be permitted to take in $6.0 million which is $3.5 million less than permitted.

There are ways around the limitation, specifically if Detroit were willing to take in the contract of Speedy Claxton ($11 million over two seasons but $5.8 million for the coming campaign). For Smith ($10 million) and Claxton, the Hawks would be permitted to take in $13.5 million in salary.

A package of Amir Johnson with Prince totals $13.2 million which fits within the necessary margin for Atlanta. The most the Pistons can take in the two they send out is $16.6 million - well within the range for Smith and Claxton.

Technically a sign-and-trade with Detroit is possible with Smith making a starting salary between $9,391,032 and $10,800,515. Obviously the numbers change if either team were willing to put additional players into this theoretical deal.

The advantage for the Hawks is they lock in a quality small forward for three years and get the promising, albeit raw Johnson to develop. There'd be the issue of starting between Prince and incumbent Marvin Williams but if the Hawks were to lose both Smith and Josh Childress, it becomes a position of need. Al Horford can play start at power forward but then who starts at center?


Los Angeles Lakers: The Lakers have insisted publicly that they want to see Lamar Odom on the floor alongside Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol before making and significant changes to the roster. Should they feel Smith is the defensive presence they need over Odom's playmaking (both play either forward position), an Odom package could also work for Smith and Claxton despite the BYC complication.

The viable range for Smith would be $10,962,118 - $12,027,927.

Assuming the lowest figure, the impact on the Lakers would be an additional $2.6 million in salary which would immediately double with luxury taxes.

The Hawks would be able to plug Odom in directly at power forward. In erasing Claxton's contract and acquiring Odom's expiring deal, Atlanta would be looking at the prospect of significant cap room for next summer in the range of $25-$30 million.

Once caveat: Childress' "cap hold" remains on their books until they renounce him - to the tune of $10.9 million.


Denver Nuggets: The Nuggets are a very interesting case. Armed with a $10.1 million trade exception after trading Marcus Camby to the Los Angeles Clippers - they can technically acquire Smith without sending anyone back to the Hawks. Of course Denver specifically made the move to get under a significant luxury tax bill, but it's still a move the team could consider if they valued Smith's talent highly enough. It may not be likely with so much invested in Nene, Kenyon Martin, Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony.

To date the team has been steadfast Anthony is not available in trade.

The Hawks could angle to get small forward Linas Kleiza in return along with a future Charlotte Bobcats pick (with protections) that the Nuggets possess.


Dallas Mavericks: A Josh Howard/Eddie Jones swap for Smith/Claxton is doable at well. The salary range for Smith would be $8,198,604 - $9,868,932. While the former is probably under Smith's asking price, the Mavericks would still be able to commit to a $74.8 million, six-year deal at the latter.

The advantage to a Howard deal is that his contract ends before the summer of 2010 (team option) when players like LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Amare Stoudemire are expected to be unrestricted free agents.


Cleveland Cavaliers: The Hawks might have interest in big man Anderson Varejao who is paid very reasonably over the next two seasons at $5.8 mil and $6.2 million (player option). The Cavaliers also have the ending contracts of Wally Szczerbiak ($13.3 million), Damon Jones ($4.6 million) and Joe Smith ($4.8 million).

A deal could be worked for Szczerbiak but there doesn't appear to be any on the court incentive for the Hawks other than shedding Claxton's salary. A more complicated deal could include Jones, Smith and Varejao for Smith and Claxton. In such a combination, Smith could earn between $12,387,830 and $13,141,765 in starting salary.

That may be more talent than the Cavaliers are willing to give up but it's technically a doable trade.


Miami HEAT: The Hawks can't make a Shawn Marion trade for Josh Smith and Speedy Claxton without adding in the expiring contract of center Zaza Pachulia. As it is, Atlanta is extremely thin at the position. While Marion would be a suitable replacement for Smith short-term while providing cap flexibility next summer, the Hawks would certainly need a contingency plan at the five.

Smith would be able to earn a range of $8,820,380 - $12,604,694.


Orlando Magic: Sources say Orlando remains committed to their big three of Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu. It would be very tricky to come up with a combination of players to match salaries.

It could take a combination of JJ Redick, Brian Cook, Keith Bogans and Tony Battie to make a deal. Smith could earn between $10,621,516 and $11,761,832 to make a deal along with Claxton's contract.


Other suitors: Obviously this isn't a comprehensive list. The Portland Trail Blazers could try to build a package around Raef LaFrentz' expiring contract. Should the Utah Jazz fear losing Carlos Boozer to free agency next summer, perhaps they too could be a candidate.

Almost any of the teams in the league if truly motivated could put together a package to overcome the BYC factor and land Josh Smith.

To date it appears the Atlanta Hawks are undecided on whether to give him a deal at the established market value ($10-12 million a season), trade him or let him sign the qualifying offer.

Waiting for the team to decide may feel like water torture to the average Hawks fan, especially after the loss of Childress, but the prospect of cap room in the coming years may be too attractive to ownership - as opposed to committing major dollars to a team that won just 37 games last season.

geez i thought the article would be for potential teams, not the whole damn league

And some of those are terrible deals for the Hawks. Why would they want Reddick, Bogans, Cook and Battie?

Maybe they want to add 4 worthless players and their contracts.

Maybe they want to add 4 worthless players and their contracts.
And picks won't help either. Any Orlando picks would be garbage with that core (they probably wouldn't win it all, but would be a 50 win team):

Nelson/Arroyo
Lee/Pietrus
Lewis/Turk
Smith/Lewis
Howard/Cook

They'd probably be around the 3rd-4th seed again.

There are ways around the limitation, specifically if Detroit were willing to take in the contract of Speedy Claxton ($11 million over two seasons but $5.8 million for the coming campaign). For Smith ($10 million) and Claxton, the Hawks would be permitted to take in $13.5 million in salary.


I wouldn't mind taking on Speedy, he'd be easy to deal after this season...and he's better than Will Bynum

Speedy's only better than Bynum when he can play.

No more Josh pipedreams...

Home › Breaking News
Griz sign Hawks' Smith to offer sheet

By Ronald Tillery (Contact), Memphis Commercial Appeal
Originally published 08:51 a.m., August 8, 2008
Updated 08:51 a.m., August 8, 2008

The Memphis Grizzlies have sent a contract offer worth $58 million to Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent Josh Smith today, according to multiple NBA sources.

As the only team left with significant room under the salary cap, the Griz have shifted out of a summer holding pattern and targeted the versatile 6-9, 235-pound forward.

Atlanta has seven days to match, per league rules, once Smith receives the offer sheet.

Smith's numbers have increased in each of his four NBA seasons since Atlanta made him a first-round pick out of high school in 2004. He averaged 17.2 points, 8.2 rebounds and 2.8 blocks last season, helping the Hawks make the playoffs.

The Hawks have said they would match any contract offer to the 22-year-old Smith, but are on the hook next season with big contracts for Mike Bibby and Joe Johnson.

Should the Griz land Smith he is expected to play power forward alongside Rudy Gay at small forward, O.J. Mayo at shooting guard and Mike Conley at point guard.

In another development, the Griz have identified Iranian center Hamed Ehadadi as a person of interest and hope to sign the 7-2, 23-year-old next week. Ehadadi last played for Saba Battery of the Iran Super League. He'll also play for the Iran national team in the Olympics.

Ehadadi recently collected 19 points and 16 rebounds in summer league action at Utah. He amassed 20 points and nine rebounds against Argentina and 20 points, 20 rebounds and six blocks against Serbia in Olympic tune-ups.


source:commercialappeal, hoopshype

Nice find, Joe.

Well that's that then.

I expect that the Hawk swill match that.

It's probably for 5 years, which makes him a "bargain".

strange offer by the Grizz, the Hawks would be incredibly stupid not to match this bargain offer, the Grizz should have overpayed a bit, 65 mil/5years, there chances would be better i guess

you have to think ATL will match...right??

56 million seems lower than what he was prob holding out for...

if Sund doesn't match, he's a moron

And as far as I can tell, the Grizz don't have anything (of matching value) that the Hawks would want in a S&T.

Why didn't Josh Smith hold out for more?

It may not be up to Sund, given the ownership situation. There's only so much a GM can do in the face of bad owners.

Yea realistic possibility? My original theory that this belong in the fun with trade ideas area was on point. :P

And as far as I can tell, the Grizz don't have anything (of matching value) that the Hawks would want in a S&T.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cl44ZO6Av8th/340x.jpg

It wouldn't have to be matching value, the Grizz have the cap space to take on extra salary.

Atlanta matched, per realgm.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53934/20080808/hawks_waste_no_time_match_offer_for_smith/

Why the fuck does Smith do this? Its like Varejao signing with Charlotte, it just makes no sense to do it if you dont want to go back to the same team!

Atlanta matched, per realgm.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/53934/20080808/hawks_waste_no_time_match_offer_for_smith/

Why the fuck does Smith do this? Its like Varejao signing with Charlotte, it just makes no sense to do it if you dont want to go back to the same team!
Maybe the harsh reality became that it was all he could get. It's not as easy to get a big deal on offer sheets as some think.

How long until Atlanta could potentially trade him now?

I still believe in you, Kstat.

How long until Atlanta could potentially trade him now?

3 months, I think, but he'll still be a BYC player.

isnt there that period of like 3 days after where he could still be traded?

Yeah, I don't get why Smith signed the offer sheet.

3 months, I think, but he'll still be a BYC player.

Smith has to consent to any trade for one year, and he can't be traded to Memphis.

Smith has to consent to any trade for one year, and he can't be traded to Memphis.

and then there is that.