This is, well, interesting in the way ESPN schticks are.

They're ranking programs based on the past 24 seasons (since the NCAA tourney expanded to 64 teams).

It's not opinion based, it's completely based on a numbers formula (but then, so is Hollinger's cuntastic life).

Here's their formula:

• National title … 25
• Title game loss … 20
• National semifinal loss … 15
• Elite Eight loss … 10
• Best record in conference's regular season … 5
• 30-plus wins in a season … 5
• Sweet 16 loss … 5
• Conference tournament title … 3
• AP first-team All-American … 3
• Losing in NCAA second round … 3
• Player in top 10 of NBA draft … 2
• NCAA first-round win as a 12-16-seed … 2
• NIT title … 2
• AP second-team All-American … 2
• 20-29 wins in a season … 1
• NCAA tournament berth … 1
• Postseason NIT berth … 1
• AP third-team All-American … 1
• NCAA first-round loss vs. 12-16-seed … -2
• Losing season … -3
• Ban from NCAA tournament … -3
>> Minimum 15 seasons in Division I
** Ties are broken by overall winning percentage since the 1984-85 season
^^ Teams are listed by their current conferences

Using the 15-season minimum, 41 current D-I schools won't qualify, giving us exactly 300 schools.

This will be interesting because, among other things, it's going to spark plenty of opinion-based comments from UM fans and MSU fans about their team ranking too low or the other team rankings too high, how they shouldn't have gone that far back, how their point system was bad, etc.

Anyhow, they have released the the rankings so far for 41-300.
To keep it relative, I'll reveal the Big Ten teams that have been ranked so far.

45. Wisconsin (UxKa is going to go nuts)
49. Iowa
68. Minnesota
185. Penn State (tie)
290. Northwestern (tie)

That means the conference has 6 teams in the top 40 (Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Purdue).

I haven't done the math to see how many points Michigan will end up with, but I'm sure the formula and how it takes into account penalties will be much debated.
I'm also sure State fans will argue that 15 points isn't enough for a "Regional Championship" (though I prefer ESPN's terminology, calling it a "National Semifinal loss"). Either that, or, if State is in the top 5 UM fans might say it's a crock and that's too many points.

Regardless, it's probably more interesting than Titletown and that got 3 pages.
Stay tuned as they release 31-40 tomorrow.

Interesting but flawed.

How do I know that it is flawed?

Michigan in the Top 40?

Please.

In fact, Michigan apparently in the top 30. They just released 31-40 and none of the 6 Big Ten teams missing so far were in there.

Remember, UM has a title in 89. There's 25 points. They also have a prestigious NIT title. Numerous 20 win seasons as well.

Perhaps the number of forfeited games made it too difficult to process and they're not in the rankings. Not sure. There are other penalized teams in the mix, and only 15 seasons were needed to make it happen. They should be eligible.

If they count the 2 NCAA final losses that is another 40 points for losing in the championship game.

I expect them to be around 25ish.

Well, I don't know if they'll count those because Webber was on those teams. But the team made it a few rounds after Webber left before losing to eventual champ Arkansas.
Remember, this goes back to 84. I think UM was over 20 wins for 7 or 8 years in a row in the 80's, leading up to the championship year. They had 30 wins one of those years.
You also get points for All-Americans, so you have to count Roy Tarpley, Gary Grant, Glen Rice, Rumeal Robinson, Jalen Rose, and Juwan Howard. A few of those were top 10 picks as well - more points. I think they have a couple Big Ten championships in there.
It all adds up quickly.
Losing seasons and NCAA penalties are negative points, but there are fewer of those.

I just checked and they've posted 21-30. It's HEAVY on Big Ten teams.

22. Michigan
23. Illinois
27. Ohio State
29. Purdue

So while State will say 22 is way too high for UM, they'll be happy that this backs up what they want it to say: MSU and Indiana are clearly the top 2 programs in the Big Ten.

MSU and Indiana are clearly the top 2 programs in the Big Ten.
I would have agreed to that before these came out.

I think they got 50 bonus points for Antoine Joubert.

Indiana will drop in the next one they do 10 years from now. They going to have major problems with this new probation.

Michigan's B-Ball history is nothing to roll your eyes at.

I think Indiana will be better off with Crean guiding them through their issues than UM was with Ellerbee/Amaker.

It's times like this when I wish "The Doctor" was still around. I would love to see his response to this.

It's times like this when I wish "The Doctor" was still around. I would love to see his response to this.

This thread is certainly a throwback to the old days.

Real muthafuckin G's...
Real muthafuckin G's...
Real muthafuckin G's...

(Eazy-E)
Hey Yo doctor, here's another proper track
and it's phat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper
and let that real shit provoke, so you's a wanna be 'loc
and you'll get smoked and i hope that yer fans understand
when ya talk about sprayin me, the same records that ya
makin' is payin me
Motherfuck Dre
Motherfuck Snoop
Motherfuck Death Row
yo and here comes my left blow
'cuz i'm the E-A-Z-Y-E, and this is the season
to let the Real motherfuckin G's in, ya like a kid ya
found a pup and now yer dapper, but tell me where the
fuck ya found an anorexic rapper
talkin 'bout who ya go squabble with and who ya shoot
you're only 60 pounds when yer wet and wearin boots

Gansta Dresta:
damn E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day

Eazy:
But Dre Day only meant Eazy's pay day
all of a sudden Dr Dre is a G thang, but on his
old album covers he was a she thang
so Nigga please, Nigga please don't step to deez
motherfuckin' Real G's

Yo Dre, whassup? *bang*
man you should of known by now...
Yo Dre, whassup? *bang*
man you should of known by now...

Gangsta Dresta:
Everyday its a new rapper, claimin to be dapper then
the Dresta, softer then a bitch but portrayed the roll
gangster, ain't broke a law in yer life, yet every time you rap
you yap about the guns and knifes, just take a good look
at the Nigga, and you'll capture the fact, that the bastard is
simply just an actor, who mastered the bang and the slang
and the Mental, of Niggaz in Compton, wattz, and South Central
never ever once have you ran with the turf, yet in every verse you
claim you used to do the dirt, but tell me who's a witness
to your fuckin work, see ya never had no buiness, so
save the drama jerk, Niggaz straight kill me
knowin that they pranksters, this is going out to
you studio gangsters,see i did dirt, put in work, and
many Niggaz can vouch that, so since i got stripes
i got the right to rap about that, but Niggaz like you
i gotta hate ya, i'm tired of Suburbian Niggaz talkin about
they comin from projects
knowin ya ain't seen the parts of the streets G
think ya started tryin to bang around the time of the peace treaty
wearin khackis and mob while ya rhyme, little fag
try to sag, but ya flooding at the same time,
and your set don't accecpt ya, so ya scared to kick it with yer homies
'cuz ya know they don't respect ya, So Nigga please check
nuts before ya step to deez, motherfuckin Real G's

(BG Knockout)
Well, it the Knock Out, definition orginal baby gangster
approach me like you hard, motherfucker i'ma bank ya
shank ya, with my fuckin shank, if i havta
Dr Dre and Snoop Dogy Dogg are fuckin actors
pranksters, studio gangsters, busters
but this time yer dealin with some real motherfuckers
G's, Nigga please, don't try to step
because if ya do, then a pill cap is all that would be left
see, young Niggaz like me, will break ya off somethin,
claimin my city, but Dre you ain't from Compton
Niggaz like ya'll is what i call Wanna be's it aint shit compared
to Real Motherfuckin' G's

poppin on this track, we ruthless
Yo Dre, wassup *bang*

Eazy:
I never met an OG who never did shit wrong
ya tried to dis the Eazy-E so now Nigga it's on you
and ya Doggy Dogg, think yer all honk and shit
both of you bitches, can come and suck my Doggy dick
beatin a bitch don't make ya shit, but then again some Niggaz
think it makes a man, Damn it's a trip
how a Nigga could switch so quick from wearin lipstick
to smokin on Chronic at picnics, and now ya think yer bigga
but to me you ain't nothin but a bitch ass Nigga
that ain't worth a food stamp, and at
Death Row, i hear yer gettin treated like Boot camp
gotta follow yer seargents directions, or get yer ass
pumped with a Smith and Wesson, learn a lesson from the Eaz
Stay in your place and don't step to Real motherfuckin G's

Yo Dre, Whassup? *bang*
dre should have known by now..
Yo Dre (whassup?) *Bang*
dre should have known by now...
Yo Dre (whassup)*bang*
dre should have known by now, Eazy duz it....

45. Wisconsin (UxKa is going to go nuts)

Not really, sounds about right. They have been good the last few years and had a couple good players come out of the program since '84, but I have no argument that they should be ranked higher even if it wasn't based on a point system.

There are 300 teams?

I think there are 336.

So MSU comes in at #11 and UM is at #22.

So let's imagine for a minute that ESPN did the same rankings for football.

If the analogy so often used by our Sparty friends is accurate, then I suppose that means that we could just swap rankings and put UM at #11 and MSU at #22.

That's how it would turn out, right?

Also, Appalachian State would obviously be #10.

<-- happy how this turned out. MSU not top ten and Michigan top 25... Going off how the last 8 years have gone... I can live with that.

So MSU comes in at #11 and UM is at #22.

So let's imagine for a minute that ESPN did the same rankings for football.

If the analogy so often used by our Sparty friends is accurate, then I suppose that means that we could just swap rankings and put UM at #11 and MSU at #22.

That's how it would turn out, right?
LMFAO! riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Gosh that shit is funny

shhh

Quote: Jethro wrote:

Originally Posted by Eazy-E
Real muthafuckin G's...
Real muthafuckin G's...
Real muthafuckin G's...

(Eazy-E)
Hey Yo doctor, here's another proper track
and it's phat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper
and let that real shit provoke, so you's a wanna be 'loc
and you'll get smoked and i hope that yer fans understand
when ya talk about sprayin me, the same records that ya
makin' is payin me
Motherfuck Dre
Motherfuck Snoop
Motherfuck Death Row
yo and here comes my left blow
'cuz i'm the E-A-Z-Y-E, and this is the season
to let the Real motherfuckin G's in, ya like a kid ya
found a pup and now yer dapper, but tell me where the
fuck ya found an anorexic rapper
talkin 'bout who ya go squabble with and who ya shoot
you're only 60 pounds when yer wet and wearin boots

Gansta Dresta:
damn E, they tried to fade you on Dre Day

Eazy:
But Dre Day only meant Eazy's pay day
all of a sudden Dr Dre is a G thang, but on his
old album covers he was a she thang
so Nigga please, Nigga please don't step to deez
motherfuckin' Real G's

Yo Dre, whassup? *bang*
man you should of known by now...
Yo Dre, whassup? *bang*
man you should of known by now...

Gangsta Dresta:
Everyday its a new rapper, claimin to be dapper then
the Dresta, softer then a bitch but portrayed the roll
gangster, ain't broke a law in yer life, yet every time you rap
you yap about the guns and knifes, just take a good look
at the Nigga, and you'll capture the fact, that the bastard is
simply just an actor, who mastered the bang and the slang
and the Mental, of Niggaz in Compton, wattz, and South Central
never ever once have you ran with the turf, yet in every verse you
claim you used to do the dirt, but tell me who's a witness
to your fuckin work, see ya never had no buiness, so
save the drama jerk, Niggaz straight kill me
knowin that they pranksters, this is going out to
you studio gangsters,see i did dirt, put in work, and
many Niggaz can vouch that, so since i got stripes
i got the right to rap about that, but Niggaz like you
i gotta hate ya, i'm tired of Suburbian Niggaz talkin about
they comin from projects
knowin ya ain't seen the parts of the streets G
think ya started tryin to bang around the time of the peace treaty
wearin khackis and mob while ya rhyme, little fag
try to sag, but ya flooding at the same time,
and your set don't accecpt ya, so ya scared to kick it with yer homies
'cuz ya know they don't respect ya, So Nigga please check
nuts before ya step to deez, motherfuckin Real G's

(BG Knockout)
Well, it the Knock Out, definition orginal baby gangster
approach me like you hard, motherfucker i'ma bank ya
shank ya, with my fuckin shank, if i havta
Dr Dre and Snoop Dogy Dogg are fuckin actors
pranksters, studio gangsters, busters
but this time yer dealin with some real motherfuckers
G's, Nigga please, don't try to step
because if ya do, then a pill cap is all that would be left
see, young Niggaz like me, will break ya off somethin,
claimin my city, but Dre you ain't from Compton
Niggaz like ya'll is what i call Wanna be's it aint shit compared
to Real Motherfuckin' G's

poppin on this track, we ruthless
Yo Dre, wassup *bang*

Eazy:
I never met an OG who never did shit wrong
ya tried to dis the Eazy-E so now Nigga it's on you
and ya Doggy Dogg, think yer all honk and shit
both of you bitches, can come and suck my Doggy dick
beatin a bitch don't make ya shit, but then again some Niggaz
think it makes a man, Damn it's a trip
how a Nigga could switch so quick from wearin lipstick
to smokin on Chronic at picnics, and now ya think yer bigga
but to me you ain't nothin but a bitch ass Nigga
that ain't worth a food stamp, and at
Death Row, i hear yer gettin treated like Boot camp
gotta follow yer seargents directions, or get yer ass
pumped with a Smith and Wesson, learn a lesson from the Eaz
Stay in your place and don't step to Real motherfuckin G's

Yo Dre, Whassup? *bang*
dre should have known by now..
Yo Dre (whassup?) *Bang*
dre should have known by now...
Yo Dre (whassup)*bang*
dre should have known by now, Eazy duz it....

Response:

"Fuck with Dre Day?"

Ha, yeah, hell yeah, ha know what I'm sayin
*Sssss*

Verse One: Dr. Dre

Yeah, Mista Busta, where the fuck ya at?
Can't scrap a lick, so I know ya got your gat
Your dick on hard, from fuckin your road dogs
The hood you threw up with, niggaz you grew up with
Don't even respect your ass
That's why it's time for the doctor, to check your ass, nigga
Used to be my homey, used to be my ace
Now I wanna slap the taste out yo mouth
Nigga bow down to the row
Fuckin me, now I'm fuckin you, little hoe
Oh, don't think I forgot, let you slide
Let me ride, just another homicide
Yeah it's me so I'ma talk on
Stompin on the 'Eazy'est streets that you can walk on
So strap on your Compton hat, your locs
And watch your back cause you might get smoked, loc
And pass the bud, and stay low-key
B.G. cause you lost all your homey's love
Now call it what you want to
You fucked with me, now it's a must that I fuck wit you

Interlude: Dr. Dre

Yeah, that's what the fuck I'm talkin about
We have your motherfuckin record company surrounded
Put down the candy and let the little boy go
You knowhatI'msayin, punk motherfucker
**We want Eazy, we want Eazy**

Verse Two: Snoop Doggy Dogg

Bow wow wow yippy yo yippy yay
Doggy Dogg's in the motherfuckin house
Bow wow wow yippy yo yippy yay
Death Row's in the motherfuckin house
Bow wow wow yippy yo yippy yay
The sounds of a dog brings me to another day
Play, with my bone will ya Timmy
It seems like you're good for makin jokes about your jimmy
But here's a jimmy joke about your mama that you might not like
I heard she was the 'Frisco dyke
But fuck your mama, I'm talkin about you and me
Toe to toe, Tim M-U-T
Your bark was loud, but your bite wasn't vicious
And them rhymes you were kickin were quite bootylicious
You get with Doggy Dogg oh is he crazy?
With ya mama and your daddy hollin' Bay-Bee
So won't they let you know
That if you fuck with Dre nigga you're fuckin wit Death Row
And I ain't even slangin them thangs
I'm hollin' one-eight-seven with my dick in yo mouth, beeyatch

Interlude: RBX

Yeah nigga, Compton and Long Beach together on this motherfucker
So you wanna pop that shit get yo motherfuckin cranium cracked nigga
Step on up. Now, we ain't no motherfuckin joke so remember the name
Mighty, mighty D-R. Yeahhh, MOTHERFUCKER!

Verse Three: Dr.Dre and Snoop Doggy Dogg

Now understand this my nigga Dre can't be touched
Luke's bendin over, so Luke's gettin fucked, busta
Musta, thought I was sleazy
Or though I was a mark cause I used to hang with Eazy
Animosity, made ya speak but ya spoke
Ay yo Dre, whattup, check this nigga off loc
If it ain't another ho that I gots ta fuck with
Gap teeth in ya mouth so my dick's gots to fit
With my nuts on ya tonsils
While ya on stage rappin at your wack-ass concerts
And I'ma snatch your ass from the backside
To show you how Death Row pull off that who-ride
Now you might not understand me
Cause I'ma rob you in Compton and blast you in Miami
Then we gon creep to South Central
On a Street Knowledge mission, as I steps in the temple
Spot him, got him, as I pulls out my strap
Got my chrome to the side of his White Sox hat
You tryin to check my homey, you better check yo self
Cause when you diss Dre you diss yourself, MOTHERFUCKER
Yeah nigga...

Outro: Snoop Doggy Dogg

Yeah, nine-deuce
Dr. Dre, dropin chronic once again
It don't stop, Punishing punk motherfuckers real quick like
Compton style nigga,
Doggy Dogg in the motherfuckin house, yeah
Long Beach in the motherfuckin house, yeah
Yeah, straight up, really doe
Breakin all you suckaz off somethin real proper like
YouknowhatI'msayin?
All these sucka ass niggaz can eat a fat dick
Yeah, Eazy-E Eazy-E Eazy-E can eat a big fat dick

Classic.

You delivered the anticipated Knockout blow.

Real Muthaphukkin G's came after Dre Day...

Both videos were hilarious, though I have to admit the Dre Day video was funnier, with the Eazy look-alike dancing on the street corner. I loved growing up when I did.

BTW, I didn't mean any of those lyrics towards you. But in popping in to send ya a private message...I caught the lyrics and had to provide the perfect response. Later

Classic.

You delivered the anticipated Knockout blow.

[smilie=ownagebox.g: LOL.

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaa son[smilie=dj.gif]The D.O.C AKA KO[smilie=rockstar.gi: And it only took ya how long to figure it out?[smilie=welldone.gi: Not like I was hiding my location computer # Peace Out Loc:bump:

Actually people knew for awhile, just sat back to see how long you'd run with such a silly idea.

Yeeeeeeeeaaaaa son[smilie=dj.gif]The D.O.C AKA KO[smilie=rockstar.gi: And it only took ya how long to figure it out?[smilie=welldone.gi: Not like I was hiding my location computer # Peace Out Loc:bump:

No way. I refuse to believe it.

LOL! Looks like THE DOCTOR flipped in on us! We're the idiots now!

LOL! Looks like THE DOCTOR flipped in on us! We're the idiots now!

Now?

You're probably wearing adidas this very minute.

Whatever... they're comfortable.

Conformist.

Go root for App State a bit more, Tim.

Now?

You're probably wearing adidas this very minute.

:motown owns:
http://www.styleceo.com/images/brands/adidas_logo.jpg

Coincidence?

I suppose we can put this feud to a rest..................................for now.

Fair enough - I'll delete mine too.