Let's just say Joe decides to push the chips all in. Lump him with someone else, what kind of impact guy could we get? Kaman? Deng? Josh Howard? Butler?

I think you could get an awful lot, mostly because of his low, locked in salary.

That said, that's the same reason that it makes almost no sense to move him, IMO.

I think you could get any of the guys that you mentioned, maybe not Caron Butler (but Rasual, yes!)

I don't think I would want to trade him for any of those guys though. Not even because of his salary. I'd rather have Stuckey on my team than any of the players mentioned, exept maybe Butler.

I would trade him and Dyess for every one of them, but that's not for this thread.

What would you want for him then?

You would trade Stuckey and Dyess for Deng? Really? A year ago I'd have thought about it, but after the season he had last year I feel much less confident in him. Kaman I'm not sure of. I love his game, but I don't know because of Stuckey's potential. Josh Howard, not a huge fan, but I guess he is really good so that one I'd have to debate.

None of those guys do much for me. I like Deng and Howard, but both are wings and cannot play PG (much harder to fill). I like Kamen of course, but why would LA want Stuckey anyway when they have Davis and drafted Gordon?

You would trade Stuckey and Dyess for Deng? Really?

Yeah, I'm not high on Stuck.

But again then, what does everyone want for him? I'm not tossing out honest trade deals here, just requests.

I don't even know what I'd want from him. I just am not as high on Deng as I used to be. He was poised for a breakout season and he flopped, from what I've heard.

I think right now a lot of Pistons fans (myself included) are overrating Stuckey because that's what you do when a promising rookie has a very good first year. How many times has that happened and then the player turns out to be a good, but not great player? A lot.

The good news is that all the other teams in the league would be doing the same thing - overrating him as well. So basically, it's just a roll of the dice. Stuck could turn out to be an elite PG/SG, but he could just be a solid player in the league.

Dealing a guy like Stuckey, whom the organization has propped up as a future star, is the kind of move that gets GMs canned.

Not saying Joe would get fired if Stuckey became a bonafide star, but it's a gamble, for sure.

Dealing a guy like Stuckey, whom the organization has propped up as a future star, is the kind of move that gets GMs canned.

Not saying Joe would get fired if Stuckey became a bonafide star, but it's a gamble, for sure.

Absolutly, and that's what I'm asking. How much return do we need to get to justify this gamble? Is his ceiling really higher than say, Monta Ellis? What's that worth to us in 2 years vs. a star now?

I think his ceiling is higher than Ellis, Ben Gordon and Barbosa (combo's to compair him to). Does that mean he becomes better than them all? I don't know. But he has more size than all of them, about the same PG skills, and hasn't even had a full season to work with yet. Ellis shoots a prety high %, but doesn't have much range either.

We'll see I guess. But, I would put his stock on par with those 3 especially when you consider he's making less than a 3rd of the money (Ellis will get paid).

If Ellis can develop a 3 point shot I'll give him the long term edge right now. I'd rather have Stuck than Gordon or Barbosa though.

I think you'd have to put him in a package with someone like Sheed to get the salaries to work. (Any guy that you get back in a stand alone deal is going to be making too little to be what we'd want in return, an impact player)

I'd use him as part of a deal for a young, franchise big (preferrably a center).

Who might that be?

Well, Sheed & Stuckey for Dwight Howard probably wouldn't fly. lol

I'd do Sheed and Stuckey for Dirk, though.

Sheed and Stuckey for Gasol? Not sure about that one.

Sheed and Stuckey for Al Jefferson and Foye works for me, too. (AJ is BYC, though)

Maybe a David West deal?

How about Sheed and Stuckey for Amare and a 1st? (or Grant Hill?)

Sheed/Stuck for Bosh?

Gasol isn't a franchise player. I wouldn't do Dirk either (great scorer, but you can't win with that defense). Howard for sure. I'd do a Jefferson deal too. There is probably an Amare or Bosh deal possible too.

I agree if I traded him it would be for a young all star center (with Sheed included).

How about Al Horford?

How about Al Horford?

Do you think the Hawks would trade for Sheed again? Where would Stuckey play with Bibby, JJ, Law and Salim there?

I guess I'm in the high-on-Stuckey-camp. I wouldn't trade him, period, unless it brought back something unreasonable in return (i.e., Kobe, LeBron, Dwight, etc.). The kid is too big, too strong, and too talented at the guard spots. Once he improves his shooting stroke, he's going to be nearly unstoppable. Plus, he has a lot of intangibles that most players don't have -- no fear, tireless work ethic, even-temperament.

IMO, he's basically on the cusp of being in the same category as Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Would you trade either of those players? Didn't think so.

Do you think the Hawks would trade for Sheed again? Where would Stuckey play with Bibby, JJ, Law and Salim there?

Just asking man, quit with the checking. Would you take Horford?

I guess I'm in the high-on-Stuckey-camp. I wouldn't trade him, period, unless it brought back something unreasonable in return (i.e., Kobe, LeBron, Dwight, etc.). The kid is too big, too strong, and too talented at the guard spots. Once he improves his shooting stroke, he's going to be nearly unstoppable. Plus, he has a lot of intangibles that most players don't have -- no fear, tireless work ethic, even-temperament.

IMO, he's basically on the cusp of being in the same category as Chris Paul and Deron Williams. Would you trade either of those players? Didn't think so.


Not to be a dick, but I think Stuckey has scored 20 points in a game once or twice. Not quite ready to put him with Paul who's already in the HOF.

I agree with Hermy on this. Now granted stuckey appears to be a player with potential and I love his combo of quickness and strength which means he's great at getting into the paint but truth be told he's still a guy that can't shoot a jump shot from anywhere and has trouble finishing at the rim which is why he shot only 40% from the floor during the regular season and only 37% during the playoffs (lindsey hunter shot 38%).

Stuckey has a lot of work to do before he's even close to being an all-star.

I'm really looking forward to seeing if he improves in these areas. If he doesn't improve he'll be nothing but another jerry stackhouse (which would be a bad thing)

It feels kind of odd that I'm not the guy most down on Stuckey this time.

I think he's got a ton of potential, but he's still raw.

People (and the organization) got really carried away about him really quickly.

It might be backlash from feeling burned by the Darko.

I guess I'm not down on stuckey but rather he's a lot better than I thought he was going to be (I think on our draft thread last year I made a comparison of stuckey to flip murray, or a tweener 1-2 guard that can't shoot or jump/finish at the rim).

Truth be told he's far better than flip murray in that he's much quicker, stronger and infinitely better at getting into the paint and is a much better ball handler/passer than I expected. I also like that he seems to want to try to work and improve. I still hold out hope for the young man.

My fav. attribute of his is his ft. %. If he keeps shooting 90% his PPS is going to be fine. It would be great if he had a 35% 3pt shot to go with it.

I think having the discussion about Stuckey is good, because even though we have several guys who have been All-Stars, Stuckey probably has more trade value than any of them. You see gambles all of the time. Ray Allen went to Boston, essentially, for a draft pick. The pick used to get Green was far more important than Delonte West or Wally Szerbiak. Al Jefferson is really good, but worth Kevin Garnett? Jefferson and, basically, Theo's contract, got one of the best players in the NBA.

Does Stuckey have the hype and potential at PG that Jefferson had at C? I'm not sure. But with Sheed (who can actually play, unlike Theo in that trade) as a big contract and Stuckey as potential - history has shown you can get an All-NBA player.

To me, it is absolutely worth it. I think Amare and a pick would be the best fit. The Suns would get a chucking PF for a year and have Lopez to be the next big there. Sheed and Shaq would be a damn dangerous combo for a year. Plus, they've certainly been wanting that young running PG to take over for Nash.

Meanwhile, we get an All-NBA guy like Garnett was. Put him with Chauncey, Rip, Tay, and Dyess and that's a team that gets you further in the playoffs. Now, we lost a guy who is likely a stud PG for several years - but you bring back Lindsey and give Bynum a contract. Offer full mid-level to Posey.

Billups/Bynum/Hunter
Rip/Afflalo
Prince/Posey/Sharpe
Dyess/Amir
Stoudamire/Max/Samb

I like that team a lot. Keep in mind last year Amare was 5th in points, 18th in boards, and 6th in blocks. Like I said, I think there are huge reasons for both teams to do this.

Did I mention that Stuckey is only 3 1/2 years younger than Amare?

Also, think about having two first rounders and Minnesota's pick next year. That's either a nice package to use to move up in the draft, or the ability to add depth finds at 3 positions in the 25-35 range.

I am not a huge Stuckey fan but I do see enough potential to hang onto him. We have so many other pieces to trade that we should just hang onto him. We have so many nice young players that we need to focus on trading the older players who have not gotten the job done as of late. We should also be focusing on FA moreso now since the trade deadline is very far away.

Dealing a guy like Stuckey, whom the organization has propped up as a future star, is the kind of move that gets GMs canned.

Not saying Joe would get fired if Stuckey became a bonafide star, but it's a gamble, for sure.
yea, it took about 3 years for darko to be safe to trade without a WTF fan outcry(if you don't count bdiddy) no? And that's him doing far less than Stuckey. I think it would be an off limits scenario for atleast another 1-2 years and that's with him showing decline or no improvement at all. with that said, this is a fun with trades forum, one part i hardly enter. So have at it people.

My fav. attribute of his is his ft. %. If he keeps shooting 90% his PPS is going to be fine. It would be great if he had a 35% 3pt shot to go with it.
Well I wouldn't get my hopes up on that, i think we have atleast one season before he develops a legit full time 3 pointer. But he'll make some clutch ones here and there.

Kind of like Rondo?

Judging by the sound of the thread, I'm the only one high on Stuckey. I guess it's typical to have reserved opinions on the potential of second year players. I just think that Stuckey's playoff performances were at times as impressive as Prince's coming-out party his rookie season.

The difference I see is in potential and fundamentals. Stuckey has a leadership mentality, a great drive to succeed, and a pretty high basketball IQ (though maybe not quite as high as Tay's), and as far as the clutch factor is concerned, Stuckey seems poised to swipe the Mr. Big Shot moniker from Billups -- go ahead and count how many big plays he made just in his rookie year, under minimal playing time. Fundamentally, his shot is leaps and bounds better than Prince's, his handles are great, and he defends well. If his shot continues to improve (which it will), I honestly don't see why he can't develop into an All-Star type player.

And Paul is an automatic HOFer?! Give me a friggin' break. You mean to tell me that if he went down in the first game of next season with a career-ending injury (God forbid) that he'd make it? Not putting words in your mouth, but I doubt it. I realize that you're probably saying that if we extrapolate the numbers and spread them out over the course of a normal NBA career he'd be a HOFer, but with such a small sample size, we're just speculating, with CP3 and Stuckey.

And Paul is an automatic HOFer?! Give me a friggin' break. You mean to tell me that if he went down in the first game of next season with a career-ending injury (God forbid) that he'd make it? Not putting words in your mouth, but I doubt it. I realize that you're probably saying that if we extrapolate the numbers and spread them out over the course of a normal NBA career he'd be a HOFer, but with such a small sample size, we're just speculating, with CP3 and Stuckey.


Of course I meant if he finishes his career playing the same way he has. He could go Kemp on us, I don't know, but comparing him even a bit to Stuckey is pretty silly.

Stuckey is probably the 3rd best PG with less than 5 years experience behind Paul and Deron, I would say. I could be forgetting someone, but I don't think I am. Rondo is good, but Stuckey would have been better for sure with that playing time....

Stuckey is probably the 3rd best PG with less than 5 years experience behind Paul and Deron, I would say. I could be forgetting someone, but I don't think I am. Rondo is good, but Stuckey would have been better for sure with that playing time....

Since he is a combo guard, you have to include other combo guards in there. You've got a lot of guys to consider there:

Wade
Ellis
Barbosa
Harris
Calderon
Felton
Mo Williams
TJ Ford
Gordon

Obviously we think Stuckey has a higher cieling than many of these players (which means we'd rather have him than many of these players), but you'd put him ahead of all these players right now?

Wade - No.
Ellis - Yes.
Barbosa - Not sure.
Harris - Yes.
Calderon - Close. I think Calderon is overrated.
Felton - Yes.
Mo Williams - Yes.
TJ Ford - Not yet.
Gordon - Yes. Gordon is nothing but a streaky shooter. More teams would be interested in Stuckey than Gordon.

Wade - No.
Ellis - Yes.
Barbosa - Not sure.
Harris - Yes.
Calderon - Close. I think Calderon is overrated.
Felton - Yes.
Mo Williams - Yes.
TJ Ford - Not yet.
Gordon - Yes. Gordon is nothing but a streaky shooter. More teams would be interested in Stuckey than Gordon.

:fatality:

I stand by my assessment. You can congratulate me in 30 years when Stuckey is in the Hall of Fame.

well he's shown me enough to make him a sacred cow right now, as joe has done with him too. FWIW according to the dude on ESPN (forget which one- stein or ford) we turned down an offer of seattle's #1 pick (high lotto) for stuckey.

to me he's still got to prove himself over the longhaul in a bigger role obviously. and he's got to improve aspects of his game for sure- outside J in particular.

but come on- how can you not be high on a kid who stepped up big in pressure playoff situations and in a few games of the playoffs, led us back when we were down and was BIG difference maker....? and as a ROOKIE who missed a good chunk of the beginning of his rookie season- not easy to overcome.

he's still got to improve his J and get more experience. but he's shown me he has the intangibles- leadership, hard worker, toughness, poise under pressure, high b-ball IQ, determination to be as good as he can possibly be.

ANd on top of all of that, he's a very good athlete with a big strong body- a huge asset in today's game against some of these smaller guards he goes against. he's a bit like billups, a bit like baron davis (athletically). not as good a shooter as billups or as high a flyer as davis, but he's got a bit of both of their games IMO.

he has everything i'd look for in a franchise type player. is he one yet? of course not. but i think he will become one. if you put him on a bad team last year with 35 minutes a night in a starting role, with his skills, i think we'd be valuing him even HIGHER than we are. he probably would've been a 16-18 PPG and 6 or 7 assist player as a rook.

i'm not putting him in the allstar game yet but he has tremendous potential and in time it's hard not seeing him reach that potential. exactly how high he goes is up to him but i do think he can be one of the better guards around with his talent.

why even think about trading someone who at the very least looks to be a really good bench player who can do a lot of things we desperately need? his upside and potential are yet to be reached so we would be crazy to trade him at this point IMO.

and evidently, guys who see him more than we do think even more highly of him. that to me speaks volumes. i definitely think he's special.

I didn't say I'm not high on him. I'm just not going to say he's the 3rd best young PG in the league. He's had half a season as a backup. Why not give him a full year before annointing him?

i didn't say you said you weren't high on him. hermy said that, not you.

i didn't say you said you weren't high on him. hermy said that, not you.


Well then. I'm not high on him for 2 reasons(compared to average pistons fan):

Because you had to use the word "potential" over and over. To me, he has no more potential than Ty Thomas had a year ago (or JO 10 years ago to be fair). It's just a dangerous word to use. Stuckey could suck. Really. He may be a borderline starter for his career. I don't expect it, but sometimes people fall short of expectations. He may never develop a 3, he may never shoot better than 42% for his career.

And I'm not sold because I'm just not sure he's a point guard. I know the league is changing into one amorphous player and the era of the pure point is dead, but despite his propensity for the occational great assist he misses bits of the offense at times. Maybe that rythm comes with more playing time, but most of the greats (which is what some here are calling him) just have that spark from birth. I worry about his ballhandling, especially after the guy had to be pulled for Lindsey in that first game Cbill missed in the ORL series. Teams will find a weakness in a playoff series, and they will exploit it. Clutch shots are great, but he needs to have consistency as well.

Here's why I'd deal him. I'm a "the Doyle Alexaqnder deal was worth it" kind of guy. If we kept Smoltz he would have been great on a .500 team for a few years, then left as a FA. I say put all your chips on the table and go for titles now. We Piston fans are a bit spoiled. Titles are very, very rare. I'd hate to have an allstar pointguard manning our bad basketball team. The Grant Hill era sucked. If you have a chance to get a stud today, I say do it. Fuck the future.

That said I like him more now than I did at the end of the year, and liked him more after the playoffs than before they began....the season....summer league....you get it. He's growing on me. I don't hate the kid, I didn't start the thread to poop on him, I just want to know what value other people place on him.

Great post, not just because I agree with almost all of it (not sure I'd trade him just yet) but I love your line of reasoning here.

Too bad we didn't trade the #2/Darko before his value plummeted. Don't get me wrong, Stuckey is not Darko. I just wonder what we could have gotten in return for that (similar to the Alexander deal you mentioned). We all know the players we could have drafted.

a large part of my confidence in him is NOT based on potential. he's already shown enough IMO.

and you can't disregard potential when you can see your way through it. if i took jessica alba's makeup off, messed her hair up and put thick glasses on her, are you telling me you would discard her simply because she's only 'potentially' really pretty?

i do understand your reasoning of cashing in now on the chance to win a title. but there's no guarantees either way so i think you can walk the fine line without going 'all out' and potentially also ruining your franchise's future. not to mention, i think having him on our roster improves our chances either way. even in a limited role he's very valuable to this team IMO and he's a key part of what we're doing.

anyway, we're not going to agree on this although we're actually not that far apart on him.

a large part of my confidence in him is NOT based on potential. he's already shown enough IMO.

and you can't disregard potential when you can see your way through it. if i took jessica alba's makeup off, messed her hair up and put thick glasses on her, are you telling me you would discard her simply because she's only 'potentially' really pretty?

i do understand your reasoning of cashing in now on the chance to win a title. but there's no guarantees either way so i think you can walk the fine line without going 'all out' and potentially also ruining your franchise's future. not to mention, i think having him on our roster improves our chances either way. even in a limited role he's very valuable to this team IMO and he's a key part of what we're doing.

anyway, we're not going to agree on this although we're actually not that far apart on him.

Re- potential: Yeah, but again, back to Ty Thomas. He's shown it. You can take off his makeup, the kid is awesome. Doesn't mean he's gonna rule the league. Stuckey has a year like Monta and I'll be all aboard. But like I said (and I know his potential has been limited by minutes and injuries) he's scored 20 points once. I'm not sure he ever had a 10 dime game. You've gotta produce to move beyond potential, he's done it in blips.

And while yes, he is going to be valuable, I can't imagine him bringing as much to this team next year as adding someone who is already a star in a position we don't have one now. Maybe I'm wrong, we'll see. Like I said, not here to bash the guy, you're right, we aren't far apart. I understand Joe has taken him off the table, I trust Joe. I love that USA basketball wants him for the B team. He's very valuable to us. I just dont' care if we win 50 games in 5 years or 20 if we don't win a title. Get them 'ships.

The reason I would be open to deal him now is this -
could he really have MORE upside after next year than he does now?
Slim chances, since so many people - not just in Detroit but nationally - are all over his nuts as the next thing and easily good enough to replace an All-Star who isn't past his prime.
How could he really improve on that sentiment? His trade value is at an early peak right now. The only way his trade value goes up in the future is if he becomes a starting PG on the All-Star team. (may not actually be impossible in the East, aside from the fact that they'll continue to call Wade a PG, but the chances of Wade being injured at All-Star break are always decent). The other time his trade value would peak is in several years when he's approaching the last season in his 2nd contract. Big expiring deal for someone who may be willing to extend and has produced consistently (potentially).
Outside of those scenarios, if packaged with a guy like Sheed that has ability and the expiring deal but isn't enticing enough on his own, it's likely that unless we're absolutely going to keep Stuckey for 12 years, we'll possibly never get the return for him that we COULD this year.

But then, all of that is null and void if he genuinely becomes a top 3 PG in the league. But that is seriously SO much to put on a guy that has played so few games.
At this point he isn't better than Chauncey. He just looks like he can be a more-than-capable replacement. Look, I think Andre Miller, Tony Parker, and Chauncey are great - but they aren't better than Paul, D. Williams, Nash, or AI. Baron Davis and Kidd are debatable in terms of their place currently. Terry and Felton belong in the conversation. Calderon possibly. So to not have him in the top 3-5 doesn't mean he can't be amazing. But if he's not quite going to reach THAT level, but a team that thinks he may is willing to deal someone who IS top 3-5 at a needed position, do you not take it?

Just a question -
Let's say a trade that has been rumored, but not likely, happens.
For the sake of putting one out there, Chauncey and Tay go to Houston, we get a package that includes T-Mac.
Stuckey is now our starting PG. What numbers do you expect from him? I know it's not all about stats, but what do you think he would do next season as a starter?
We know what he did in April during the regular season. Getting almost starters minutes he averaged 14 and 4. Do you think next season he would average 17 and 7? He would have to in order to match the production we get out of Chauncey.

I would say that 17 and 7 is reasonable. He improved a lot in the playoffs, so I could see that happening.

not trying to split hairs hermy, but i don't feel your example of ty thomas is a good one. everything he does is pretty much based on raw athleticism. there is very little if any polish to his game.

so i would not say it's good to compare him to stuckey, since stuckey shows the other intangibles and basketball skills of a true player, and not just a phenomenal athlete


but i do get your point.

not trying to split hairs hermy, but i don't feel your example of ty thomas is a good one. everything he does is pretty much based on raw athleticism. there is very little if any polish to his game.

so i would not say it's good to compare him to stuckey, since stuckey shows the other intangibles and basketball skills of a true player, and not just a phenomenal athlete


but i do get your point.


TT is nasty and has a nose for the ball. But he's also stupid and lazy, so I see what you're saying.

Stuckey is no Chris Paul but he could be the next Chauncey Billups... which wouldn't be too shabby. Can everyone who compared him to Darko please take a moment to slap yourself? Thanks.

I'm in both the "high on Stuckey" and "no one is untouchable" camps. My preference though would be to trade frontcount players for other frontcourt players. The backcourt trio is so strong right now it would be a shame to break it up.

I'm just gonna piggyback an old thread....

Would everyone trade every young player on the Pistons roster (Amir, Max, Stuckey, AA, everyone's draft rights, whatever potential we have) for a title this year? Say, all of them for AI for 1 year then he leaves. But with AI we get a magic monopoly card that reads "Collect NBA Title in 08-09, then go to jail".

Just testing philosophies.

I think I would, just not Iverson. I doubt he brings a title to the Pistons.

Yes.

I think I would, just not Iverson. I doubt he brings a title to the Pistons.


He's just a name. Ignore the player, think of the card.

Fair enough. Yes I would risk our future for 1-2 championships now.

Fair enough. Yes I would risk our future for 1-2 championships now.

You get one, then you are left with the team you have, so I assume you get 1.

Still yes.

Somebody want to figure out our cap situation after that championship? (assuming AI is the guy that came in and then left)

How about Bosh/Calderon for Stuckey/AI?

Yes.

I think I would, just not Iverson. I doubt he brings a title to the Pistons.

This is pretty :cogent: though.

I would trade any player for a guaranteed title.

If I was an owner my question to the GM would be: If you're not trying to win the title then why the fuck are we playing 82+ games and what am I spending millions of $$$ on?

If I was the GM the plan would be to constantly compete at that championship level. Fuck the luxury tax, fuck drafting rookies. Use whatever exceptions and picks to add to/adjust my championship calibre core until they fucking die at halfcourt dribbling the ball in the 100th game of the season.

And if I was a fucking Coach why would I want to Coach a fucking Lotto squad? You know you'd get fired just before the team got any good anyway.

Just revisiting this.

The list of players that I'd be willing to take in return for Stuckey is a lot larger than it once was, that's for sure.

Stuckey has hit the wall, he's clearly not used to play 30+ minutes over 82 full games...btw last game Stuckey 3 shots, AI 27 ...
if Joe D could manage to get a veteran PG to back up Stuckey next season i think it will make it easier for him...+ get rid off AI

par example: Kwame+ 2nd pick for Watson

Yeah, Stuckey, last game at least, just wasn't assertive at all. AI was the focal point of the offense for whatever reason... Fuck that guy.

That's the problem. How does any player know when to shoot and when not to? Our best scorer last year is coming off the bench, we have a traditional ball hog in there with Stuckey, our big man rotation is altered like every game, and our coach is a guy that knew jack shit about offense when he played.

This is a complete mess here. Yeah, Stuckey hasn't shot well lately, but it's not exactly a stable environment for him to grow in.

That's the problem. How does any player know when to shoot and when not to? Our best scorer last year is coming off the bench, we have a traditional ball hog in there with Stuckey, our big man rotation is altered like every game, and our coach is a guy that knew jack shit about offense when he played.

This is a complete mess here. Yeah, Stuckey hasn't shot well lately, but it's not exactly a stable environment for him to grow in.


Welcome to the National Basketball Association. I'll be your guide.

Here we have Kevin Durant. He didn't get traded, but he had to move, and he didn't join and expansion team, but he likely wished he did what with that talentless mess. But he's OK.

Here we have Al Thornton. He plays for the Clippers. Nuff said. But he's OK.

Here we have Devin Harris. He got traded to a team with Vince Cater. And that's the best thing I can say about his situation. But he's OK.

Stuck still has all the same guys on the team he had last year besides the one he replaced, and he added a 10X all-star. Lots of guys have lots more to complain about.

Welcome to the National Basketball Association. I'll be your guide.

Here we have Kevin Durant. He didn't get traded, but he had to move, and he didn't join and expansion team, but he likely wished he did what with that talentless mess. But he's OK.

Here we have Al Thornton. He plays for the Clippers. Nuff said. But he's OK.

Here we have Devin Harris. He got traded to a team with Vince Cater. And that's the best thing I can say about his situation. But he's OK.

Stuck still has all the same guys on the team he had last year besides the one he replaced, and he added a 10X all-star. Lots of guys have lots more to complain about.

Those are totally different situations, though both have their ups and downs... Stuck has the most talent around him hence the fewest opportunities of these guys and the most wins by a pretty wide margin. Where as a guy like Durant loses more at the moment, but has a much better opportunity at improving his game. Guys like Durant/Thornton/Harris aren't standing there watching Iverson and Rip chuck jumpshots.

The Pistons would be much improved if they just bought Iverson out. His entire career he has made his teammates worse.

Yeah, it kills players careers to be surrounded by talent.

How about Al Horford?

I wouldn't even pause to make fun of bukdow.

Anybody want to come up with a Chris Paul package?

what exactly is NO trying to accomplish is trading Chris Paul? Are they looking for expirings?

In addition to getting under the luxury tax threshold, I would guess they would want young players that could eventually break out (Stuckey, Amir, Afflalo, Max? whomever we draft this year?).

As the blog that I posted in the other thread said, they'd be looking to shed their worst contracts too (like Chandler and Peja).

It's nice that both of those guys actually could fill needs here, too.

I think Paul is a PPP until July 1, right?

Anybody want to come up with a Chris Paul package?

pretty much impossible as of now. If we had iversons expiring, sheed's expiring and stuckey, and either max or amir

tried a rip hamilton, tayshaun, stuckey, amir for paul chandler and peja..doesnt work

We don't need those expiring deals to make a trade like this during the summer, those deals will be off the books, replaced by cap space.

cap space > expiring deals

It would be similar to how the Clippers got Camby for basically nothing.

oooooh shit completely forgot about that

As of 3pm on that one day, Joe is king.

What could we get for Stuckey?

A real fucking coach
Team mates that don't quit on the team when it's fighting for a playoff spot
A couple of young bigs with some fucking determination
A 3 point shooting swingman

That about covers it.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist

What kind of big could we get TODAY?

What kind of big could we get TODAY?
Wilt Chamberlain

No way the Pistons do that deal.

What could we get for Stuckey?

A real fucking coach
Team mates that don't quit on the team when it's fighting for a playoff spot
A couple of young bigs with some fucking determination
A 3 point shooting swingman

That about covers it.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist

Now, let me just check...

A real fucking Coach? Check

Team mates that don't quit blah, blah, blah - I doubt it will happen based on how the boys have played so far this season (also Big Ben would crush someone)

A couple of young bigs with determination? Check - Contributions from Mad Maxiell and The Walls of Jerebko have been damn good.

A 3 point shooting swingman? Would that be Daye or Summers or both?

Now, what could we get for Stuckey?

Maybe hire a specialist Coach to work with him on his PG skills? Shit, we hired some random cunt for Darko - surely we can get the sacred cow an expert milker?

a fun re-read

Not really - since Jethro was right - Stuckey's value was at it's highest way back when...

Although the recent move to SG has certainly helped the kid.

Here's hoping they stick with it and look to bring in a legit PG this off-season.

How is his 3 point range now? IMO you can't be a good SG and not be able to hit a wide open 3 unless you can score inside with the ability like Wade.

Stuckey still doesn't know when to pass and when to take it to the hole, the 1st quarter was utterly terrible against the Nets...this kid lacks basketball IQ, you can't win with guys like that, trade him now, don't resign!

Stuckey + RIP or Stuckey + Gordon, Stuckey + Maxiell, there has to be teams out there who want him

Like, any team would take Stuckey. You'd be hard-pressed to find a team with three better guards than him.

If a team doesn't have 3 better guards than Stuckey wouldn't they want him?

I think the kid still has potential - but they need to realise he's a slashing SG that can sometimes play the point.

You get a legit PG and with BG and Stuckey I think they could grow together and b successful. And remember you've got Bynum here to cover injuries and spark some when called on.

Shit, I'd take Caldron, Udrih, Harris... in any Rip trade lol

Yep, they would.

and even the teams with good three-guard rotations are old or will otherwise lose their players relatively soon.

How about a 4-slice toaster?

Is that asking too much?

Rodney Stuckey Is A Little Indecisive (http://bloguin.com/crossoverchronicles/2011-articles/may/rodney-stuckey-is-a-little-indecisive.html)

The "Stuckey to Miami" thing at the end is kind of fun.

There's not a good fit there, obviously. The only guy that the Pistons would reasonably want is Haslem, and there's no way that he's getting traded.

He wouldn't be a good fit with Miami. They want a true PG, not a Wade wannabe.

bump

This is the guy that we need to move. Nobody will want our old players/big contracts. If Stuckey has a big season, could we get another lottery pick for him?

Monroe, Knight, Jerebko and 2 lottery picks would really kickstart the rebuild (despite Joe D's fuckups).

Let's revisit this.

How about moving Stuck, maybe along with one of our expirings, for a young veteran leader?

We can build around Moose, Knight, Drummond and whomever we get in this deal.

Just seems like he might be more valuable to someone else.

Let's revisit this.

How about moving Stuck, maybe along with one of our expirings, for a veteran leader?
Yeah, I'm sure we could trade for Rip. :)

Let's revisit this.

How about moving Stuck, maybe along with one of our expirings, for a young veteran leader?
Yeah, I'm sure we could trade for BG. :)

IMO moving Tay would be a bigger priority given the core.... not like we have a glut of quality SGs

IMO moving Tay would be a bigger priority given the core.... not like we have a glut of quality SGs

Oh, without question you move Tay, but doing so is not going to net you a piece that is part of our next contender. That's what I'm interested in, anybody on the current roster that you can't see being a key piece on a contender can just get the fuck out now. That's how I see Stuckey. He won't be here when we're good again, and if he is, he won't be happy.

See, I want bold moves now. Something like Stuckey and Maxiell for a S&Ted Eric Gordon, for example.

Bold moves won't cut it. We need bold power moves.

I'm with Glenn on this... IMO Stuckey's best suited to coming off the bench as a 6th Man type.. he's not going to be happy doing that here

With Drummond, Monroe and Knight here we have something to build around. Of the remaining players I'd only keep Jerebko

Obviously need a starting SF and SG... how we get them is where Stuckey, Prince, Daye, Maggette, Maxiell, Nova, Bynum come into play

I might have to set aside a day to work the trade machine...

anyone want to list the SFs and/or SGs "we" want?

anyone want to list the SFs and/or SGs "we" want?


It's time for Sixers to move Iguodala http://bit.ly/OZhnhy

Manny Harris was just waived by the Cavs lol

Starting to think that Stuckey has naked pictures of Glan in a compromising situation... since Stuckey has slid over to the 2 he's been fairly efficient... he gets to the FT line (the highest % in the game)... and his defense is solid.... he doesn't have to be the facilitator anymore... but he provides some flexibility if we get injuries at PG.... trading him simply creates another void.
We need to clear the jam at SF first.