Sheed
Max

for

Boozer
Harpring

Might still need a center, though.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2775~883~1703~306&teams=26~26~8~8&te=&cash=

Would Utah want Memo and Sheed together? I'd do it but I'm not sure they would.

Boozer's just going to opt out after next year anyway...that's not worth losing Max...give them afflalo, he can be Jerry Sloan's punching bag

Actually, I think I'd risk losing Max for a year's rental of Boozer and the chance to convince him to stick around.

But I think Amir is ready to play, so that mitigates losing Max a bit for me.

Plus, we get Harpring to back up Tay or spot start for what basically amounts to a 2 year MLE deal.

Yeah, a 20 and 10 guy without character issues is worth the risk of giving up Max for a rental IMO.

I'm not sure what teams will have max space, but there will be a lot of FA's (unless extended) to go after (some are with opt outs)...

2009:
Kobe, Boozer, AI, Artest, RIP, Kidd, Marion, Miller, Odom and Sheed

also, teams might be saving space for the following year...
2010:
Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Allen, Chandler, Manu, Dirk, Redd

(all of these are UFA's)

You can't tell who will have space until some of the bigger names sign this year, but there are usually only 2-5 teams with space to sign a max player each year. How many of those are contenders or become contenders with that player signing there? I can't think of one time that has happened recently.

Billups/Stuckey/Hunter
Rip/Stuckey/Afflalo
Tay/Harpring/zzzzzzzz
Boozer/Dice/Amir
Ratliff/Dice/Samb

And add in the MLE acquisition(s), if any.

Billups/Stuckey/Hunter
Rip/Stuckey/Afflalo
Tay/Harpring/zzzzzzzz
Boozer/Dice/Amir
Ratliff/Dice/Samb

And add in the MLE acquisition(s), if any.

If Joe took a chance and gave Krstic a good chunk of the MLE for a couple of years, I wonder if NJ would match?

I can't see Utah giving up on Boozer...they'd be far better off trying to unload AK & Okur at the deadline (memo has an ETO after next season) to get somebody who could put them over the top for a title (Marion? Artest?)...

Sheed doesn't improve their team, between sheed & okur, your entire front court will spend 75% of the game on the primeter

Say we do that same trade but sub Okur for Boozer?

I'd do the Boozer trade in a heartbeat, but I don't think the Jazz would even consider it.

Or what about a trade involving AK?

Or what about a trade involving AK?
If he can play center... sure... how many PF's do we need?
Actually I think Amir could have a similar game to AK

AK can play SF as well. And a deal for him could involve us moving a PF. Say we move Dice, then he takes over the starting PF spot.

Just hit the trade machine and saw that AK is making 15mil per. Nevermind that idea. He'd bring solid defense but I'm not looking to make him our highest paid player. We'd have to trade Sheed straight up for him, or Tay, Max, Afflalo. No thanks.

That's why Boozer is more likely to be moved.

I know this would never happen, but Okur and Boozer for McDyess and Sheed works and I would make that trade in a heartbeat, then immediately start looking to give Boozer an extension.

You are right, that won't happen. The Jazz would become a bunch of old farts plus Williams.

I just thought it was interesting. What if we threw in Max and a future first? I'd make that trade, but I still don't think they would

You can't trade Dice anywhere except maybe Houston.

He'll just retire.

Maybe we need a FWTI FAQ

You could probably trade him to SA or Dallas as well (he'd be close to home and they are both contenders). Otherwise, I agree.

If Joe took a chance and gave Krstic a good chunk of the MLE for a couple of years, I wonder if NJ would match?

Look at all the bigs NJ has...

- Sean Williams
- Josh Boone
- Yi
- Ryan Anderson
- Brook Lopez
- Stromile Swift


I think they'd let Krstic walk...they need to save money for LeBron and can't be handing out 5 year deals to a guy like Nenad

I agree with you there. Once they got Lopez (an offensive minded center) and added two scoring PF's I don't see why they'd bring Kristic back.

Is he recovered enough from the injury to warrant signing? Last year he put up 6.4 and 4.4 with 0.4 blocks per game in 18 minutes. He only shot 41%. His career numbers aren't much better. 11.3/5.7/.74 on 49% shooting in 27 minutes.

Apparently the 6ers are taking a look at him.

I wouldn't sign him. I think Amir can provide those types of numbers with better defense too.

Agreed, although Krstic could do it at C and I don't think Amir could. At least not yet. But I think Amir could definitely put up those kind of numbers and he's got freak athleticism.

I think Krstic could be low risk, high reward, I don't think he'll get the full MLE, and he has more a track record than some of the other garbage on the FA's wire...

he doesn't really fill a need though...

he doesn't really fill a need though...

I agree, unless Sheed is traded...

I agree, unless Sheed is traded...


If Sheed is traded, I'd rather sign Kurt Thomas than Nenad...

Monson: What's Boozer worth?

By Gordon Monson
Tribune Columnist

Article Last Updated: 07/13/2008 01:01:08 AM MDT

As Deron Williams thinks about his future with the Jazz and the Jazz think about their future with Deron Williams, their trains of thought collide and explode by the tracks that cross at Carlos Boozer.

The power forward is the center of concern for Williams and the Jazz - for reasons that are similar and dissimilar.

He is, or has been, the main scoring cog in Utah during recent years, anchoring the offensive schemes that Jerry Sloan favors and Williams directs, echoing back to the days of Karl Malone. Boozer's not Malone, especially not at the defensive end, but he is the team's low-post presence, bringing 20 points and 10 rebounds every night, and in the NBA that makes him a ridiculously valuable asset.

The question is: How ridiculously valuable?

Boozer can opt out of his deal at the end of next season, which he likely will do, making his services available to the most attractive - read: highest - bidder, whose bidding might blast into the $130 million range. That's a difficult plate of biscuits for the Jazz to chew, given that they already will be paying Williams max money, well worth it, and Andrei Kirilenko the same, well . . . not worth it. Add Boozer's new market value to that mix, along with the Jazz's other projected salary obligations, then consider that their payroll already rests in the low $60 million range, with the luxury-tax threshold at $71 million, and it's easy to see why the whole equation doesn't compute.

Unless Larry Miller decides to jump aboard a rocket straight through the luxury-sphere, a ride he has said he would only be up for if it almost guaranteed a title, the Jazz are hurting.

Is Boozer worth all of that?

Some people speculate that he wants out, anyway. He lives in Miami, his wife doesn't like it here, his child's health suffers at higher elevation, and something isn't quite right in his situation with the Jazz, as was demonstrated by his recent sub-average playoff performance. He might want to play in the East, where he wouldn't have to deal with as many gifted and long interior defenders. Moreover, he has proved in the past that he's willing to bail on a talented team - the Cavs - if the financials aren't filled up to the rim. Talk to Boozer about the whole deal, and he's the same as he usually is about so many other things: opaque and ambiguous.

So, what should the Jazz do?

Their course might have less to do with Boozer's abilities, although the defensive hole his presence in the lineup creates was a major problem this past postseason, and more to do with what they stand to lose if he walks.

If Boozer opts out, and the Jazz understandably don't believe he's worth what others might pay him in an open market, but they don't want to just sit back and watch him leave for nothing, their obvious alternative is to trade him as soon as possible. His value isn't what it ordinarily would be, on account of his right to opt out on whichever team is on the other end of the deal, but there could be - couldn't there? - a club looking to clear its own room under the cap that could do so by acquiring Boozer now.

The Jazz likely would have to take on some excess money with perhaps incomplete players in return, but if they could get, say, a long-but-limited defender, that might advance their overall cause, or at least limit the damage.

Other alternatives are to either let Mehmet Okur go elsewhere when he opts out of his contract at the end of next season, or trade him under similar disadvantages and restrictions as Boozer. Okur makes about $9 million now, and, as one of the top 10 centers in the league, will certainly want a bump from that.

Whether Williams holds sway with Boozer or Okur, trying to get them to eventually stay in the fold for less money, is hardly believable, even if he showed the way by accepting less in his own deal.

The real problem in all of this is Kirilenko's contract. Find a sucker - doubtful - to trade for him, and take on his money, and lift a cloud over the entire Jazz franchise. Keep him, and the worst hamstring in team history will have nothing to do with Boozer's health issue a few years back and everything to do with an overpaid, underachieving forward the Jazz completely misjudged and overvalued, to their own detriment, when they gave him max money.

Ironic that a bad hammy, wholly unattached to Boozer, apparently will cost the Jazz his services, after all - for virtually nothing in return.

Unless they trade him first, and pick up a couple of helpful-but-flawed pieces in an exchange that could bounce them in a positive direction without blowing their bank account to smithereens.

If Stuckey was playing up to the hype, I wonder if we could have done something like this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1703~294~3458&teams=8~26~26&te=&cash=

Boozer and Sheed would be incredible. The Pistons would be the frontrunners for the title. Even with Stuckey being down right now, I would do that trade.

Unfortunately, I don't think Utah would do it. Maybe throw in Amir instead of Zzzzz?

I'd throw in Amir instead, sure, but I'm not sure what that would do to Utah's cap/tax situation.

The problem is Utah then gives up it's only true "Power" forward. The rest of the team is soft, the exception being the undersized Millsap. We then give them another soft player and a guard. I don't think Utah goes for it, even though Detroit would.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=294~2769~3188~1703&teams=26~26~8~8&te=&cash=

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I would, not sure on Utah. They seem to do far better with Ak47 at PF rather than SF, that is for sure. I also don't think they can move Ak47 based on his contract and recent production. I think RIP would do very well there with a true PG feeding him. If they feel they are losing Boozer for nothing, they may be inclined to make a move now. Would this be the best they could do? I don't know. I'm sure Amir could benefit a lot from Williams too. He needs someone to get him easy baskets.

They'd be:

PG Williams/Price/Knight
SG RIP/Korver/Harpring
SF Brewer/Miles/Harpring
PF AK47/Amir/Fesenko
C Okur/Collins/Koufus

Looking at the salaries I would think they would demand we take on Korver or Harpring instead of Almond. They are going to be in tax country unless Memo opts out and walks. Ideally, they'd want to move AK47 but I don't think anyone wants to pay him 17 mil. Harpring makes 6 mil, but would still expire before Bosh is a FA.

I would, not sure on Utah. They seem to do far better with Ak47 at PF rather than SF, that is for sure. I also don't think they can move Ak47 based on his contract and recent production. I think RIP would do very well there with a true PG feeding him. If they feel they are losing Boozer for nothing, they may be inclined to make a move now. Would this be the best they could do? I don't know. I'm sure Amir could benefit a lot from Williams too. He needs someone to get him easy baskets.

Post #27 is a good read if you haven't read it already.

They'd be:

PG Williams/Price/Knight
SG RIP/Korver/Harpring
SF Brewer/Miles/Harpring
PF AK47/Amir/Fesenko
C Okur/Collins/Koufus

Did you cut Millsap?

Did you cut Millsap?

Don't nuthin' include

http://panachereport.com/channels/more%20short%20stories/images/9332a2c008a052837c5a1010.L.jpg

Did you cut Millsap?

Nope. I just went by ESPN's depth chart. He must not be on it for whatever reason (is he hurt?)

I think they'll try to move AK47 first. When that doesn't work I doubt they listen to any deal that doesn't include Korver and/or Harpring.

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He's right behind Boozer on the depth chart on ESPN.com

Damn, I guess I was just an idiot. Why'd you have to go and check it out?

I'm not sure. I'm a very unpleasant person.