Here are the rules for the User Mock (this may be updated as needed):

--Each team gets a thread (started by the assigned GM) within this forum.

--In your thread, you lay out the current roster, your assessment of team needs, etc. This should be done ASAP for time reasons.

--Others can post advice or their own thoughts, but it's up to you what you do with that info.

--When you are on the clock, you post your pick in your thread, in bold, red text with all other picks up to yours in regular text (quoting will make this fast)

--The draft is on 6/26, which is in 2 weeks, so that is the window that we have to work with.

--Each GM must make their pick within the time slot posted below (will post after this). If trades occur (both GM's must agree), the trade must be announced and the pick must be made prior to that time slot being up (regardless of who makes it). No future picks may be traded.

--You may make your selection prior to your time slot if you are on the clock (it is encouraged to speed this up), however you do not have to. If you cannot be present during your time slot PM myself and Glenn with your top picks (with enough to get to your pick in case they are all selected) and we'll make the selection from that list. If you fail to do so we'll pick the highest rated player from ESPN's big board.

--Each GM/team will be graded at the end. Maybe even some bonus alpacas for the best grades. Either we'll do a site poll or elect someone to grade all the picks.

Teams/GM's

Atlantic Division
Boston Celtics ZEKYL
New Jersey Nets WTFCHRIS
New York Knicks GLENN
Philadelphia 76ers DEFROCKED
Toronto Raptors LOSPISTONES

Central Division
Chicago Bulls CROSS
Cleveland Cavaliers LEDEZMA
Detroit Pistons LAXATION
Indiana Pacers LAXATION
Milwaukee Bucks HERMY

Southeast Division
Atlanta Hawks OOBIR
Charlotte Bobcats GLENN
Miami Heat WIZZLE
Orlando Magic JTURBO
Washington Wizards SHAGS

Southwest Division
Dallas Mavericks OOBIR
Houston Rockets HERMY
Memphis Grizzlies DEFROCKED
New Orleans Hornets WIZZLE
San Antonio Spurs HERMY

Northwest Division
Denver Nuggets DEFROCKED
Minnesota Timberwolves JTURBO
Portland Trail Blazers LOSPISTONES
Seattle/OKC SuperSonics CROSS
Utah Jazz WTFCHRIS

Pacific Division
Golden State Warriors DBTM
Los Angeles Clippers WTFCHRIS
Los Angeles Lakers GLENN
Phoenix Suns LOSPISTONES
Sacramento Kings LEDEZMA

Time slots to follow

# Team GM TIME SLOT (Eastern Time)

6/16:
1. Chicago CROSS (9am-11am)
2. Miami WIZZLE (11am-1pm)
3. Minnesota JTURBO (1pm-3pm)
4. Seattle CROSS (3pm-5pm)
5. Memphis DFROCKED (5pm-7pm)
6. New York GLENN (7pm-9pm)
6/17:
7. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (9am-11am)
8. Milwaukee HERMY (11am-1pm)
9. Charlotte GLENN (1pm-3pm)
10. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (3pm-5pm)
11. Indiana LAXATION (5pm-7pm)
12. Sacramento LEDEZMA (7pm-9pm)
6/18:
13. Portland LOSPISTONES (9am-11am)
14. Golden State DTBM (11am-1pm)
15. Atlanta (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (1pm-3pm)
16. Philadelphia DEFROCKED (3pm-5pm)
17. Toronto LOSPISTONES (5pm-7pm)
18. Washington SHAGS (7pm-9pm)
6/19:
19. Cleveland LEDEZMA(9am-11am)
20. Denver DEFROCKED (11am-1pm)
21. Dallas (To New Jersey) WTFCHRIS (1pm-3pm)
22. Orlando JTURBO (3pm-5pm)
23. Utah WTFCHRIS (5pm-7pm)
24. Phoenix (To Seattle) CROSS (7pm-9pm)
6/20:
25. Houston HERMY(9am-11am)
26. San Antonio HERMY (11am-1pm)
27. New Orleans WIZZLE (1pm-3pm)
28. LA Lakers (To Memphis) DFROCKED (3pm-5pm)
29. Detroit LAXATION (5pm-7pm)
30. Boston ZEKYL (7pm-9pm)


6/23:
31. Miami (To Minnesota via Boston) JTURBO (9am-10:30am)
32. Seattle CROSS (10:30am-12am)
33. Memphis (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (12am-1:30pm)
34. Minnesota* JTURBO (1:30pm-3pm)
35. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (3pm-4:30pm)
36. New York (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (4:30pm-6pm)
37. Milwaukee HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
38. Charlotte GLENN (7:30pm-9pm)
6/24:
39. Chicago CROSS (9am-10:30am)
40. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (10:30am-12am)
41. Indiana LAXATION (12am-1:30pm)
42. Atlanta (To Sacramento) LEDEZMA (1:30pm-3pm)
43. Sacramento LEDEZMA (3pm-4:30pm)
44. Philadelphia (To Utah) WTFCHRIS (4:30pm-6pm)
45. Toronto (To San Antonio) HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
46. Portland (To Seattle via Boston) CROSS (7:30pm-9pm)
6/25:
47. Washington SHAGS (9am-10:30am)
48. Cleveland (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (10:30am-12am)
49. Golden State DBTM (12am-1:30pm)
50. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (1:30pm-3pm)
51. Dallas OOBIR (3pm-4:30pm)
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)
6/26:
55. Phoenix (To Portland via Indiana) LOSPISTONES (9am-10:30am)
56. New Orleans (To Seattle via Houston) CROSS (10:30am-12am)
57. San Antonio HERMY (12am-1:30pm)
58. LA Lakers GLENN (1:30pm-3pm)
59. Detroit LAXATION (3pm-4:30pm)
60. Boston ZEKYL (4:30pm-6pm)

Pick 28 goes to Memphis (like you have noted), but you have Glenn as GM. Only problem is I'm Memphis' GM. No big deal since I'll just go ahead and make the pick, but you may want to make sure you don't have any others listed like this. (Out of three teams, I have no second round picks so I have to get all the fun out of this that I can.)

^Thanks. I fixed it. I tried to catch all the pick conveyances but the format NBA.com has (as you see above) is a little confusing. Usually they say Team A (from team B). So the first team listed is the team actually picking. In this format you have to follow the trail and I must have missed that one.

Yikes, I just noticed that my Knicks draft tonight from 7pm to 9pm, times which I'm rarely online, and probably can't be, tonight.

Looks like I better get my thread posted.

I don't suppose that there is any way that we can start Monday, is there?

I feel ill prepared.

If that's a big deal, I'll make it work.

I suppose that I can make my pick before 9 am on Monday, since I am technically still on the clock until then.

If we didn't start until Monday we'd have to give each person less than 2 hours.

What do we do about Cross?

Well, since the draft is on the 26th, I can push them all back 1 day and we'll still be fine. That way everyone has the weekend to get their threads up and everything. I'll make that change now.

Actually I just noticed I posted the 19th twice, so that won't work. I'll just make the 2nd round picks shorter so we can still start Monday.

If you guys really want to get nerdy, once the draft is over, we can have an open trade period (maybe until opening night?) and then someone can plug our rosters into a video game and simulate the season for us to see who wins.

If you guys really want to get nerdy, once the draft is over, we can have an open trade period (maybe until opening night?) and then someone can plug our rosters into a video game and simulate the season for us to see who wins.

LOL

If you guys really want to get nerdy, once the draft is over, we can have an open trade period (maybe until opening night?) and then someone can plug our rosters into a video game and simulate the season for us to see who wins.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/47/Goingoverboard.gif/200px-Goingoverboard.gif

also jk

Well, we have a lot of video game nerds here, so I thought someone might like the idea.

Maybe we can get Keith to do it for us?

Maybe we can get Keith to do it for us?

You too can play with the WTF Mock Draft rosters!

Pick 28 goes to Memphis (like you have noted), but you have Glenn as GM. Only problem is I'm Memphis' GM. No big deal since I'll just go ahead and make the pick, but you may want to make sure you don't have any others listed like this. (Out of three teams, I have no second round picks so I have to get all the fun out of this that I can.)
I lied. I have Pick 38, but it looks like the same thing happened there, with Glenn's name listed.

HAHA.

I lied. I have Pick 38, but it looks like the same thing happened there, with Glenn's name listed.

What? I thought Glenn has Charlotte.

I'm on crack. For the past two weeks, I've been getting Charlotte and Memphis confused in my head. No clue why. I think I may have been planning to take Charlotte in the mock draft, but they were taken.

Either way, disregard my crackhead ramblings. I have no second round picks, and Charlotte is all Glenn's.

You listed me as picking the #21 pick, but it actually belongs to you (New Jersey).

thanks. I fixed it.

Looks like Cross took Rose at #1 for the Bulls, which I suppose means that Wizzle/Miami is on the clock until 1 pm with the #2 pick.

I wonder if Cross is offline for the day.

I have no idea what time it is where he is.

We might need to scrap the set schedule and just take things as they come until we get serious delays.

It might actually go faster without a schedule.

Except that if he doesn't pick today then we'll be 3 picks behind going into tomorrow. It's unlikely we'd catch up when not many people are on during the day.

I'll be ready pretty quickly whenever he's made his pick.

Good. I'm only here until 4:00 (6:00 ET) and Glenn sent me his list. So hopefully your's is in by then. If not then Glenn can simply post his prior to the time slot in the morning.

Cool. Let me know if you want me to post any picks for you tonight.

Glenn's is the last pick for the day but people are welcome to pick ahead of their slot (but not out of order of course).

I'll make my selection right after Glenn's unless I get a curve ball from your pick.

If I had to guess, I would guess that Cross would take Brook Lopez for Seattle at #4, since he thought Minny should have picked him at #3.

But the rules are the rules...

The problem is that he never even did a thread on them so we don't even know what he thinks their needs are.

EDIT- They do need a big man as well. I don't know, let's take a quick poll (I'll set one up).

So Hermy's up with Milwaukee.

Haven't seen him post in a while, hmmm.

He PM'd me. Actually we have a trade to announce.

I'm sending him #10 and Swift for #8 and taking on Gadzuric's contract (which will expire the same time as VC and RJ).

Sacramento (Wilfredo Ledezma) and Memphis (defrocked) have a trade to announce.

Sacramento trades:
#12 pick
Spencer Hawes

Memphis trades:
#28 pick
Kyle Lowry

I'll let him explain his side, but Memphis moves up in the draft to get another young prospect, and get Hawes who could become a decent C, a position we're badly in need of. Iavoroni is supposed to be great at developing big men. Lowry is a nice young PG, but this is the one position Memphis has depth at, with Mike Conley, Jr. and Javaris Crittendon.

Beno's agent took note of that^

wow sacremento just got fucked!

Yeah, Lowry is a decent young PG but I'm not sure he's worth the #12 pick. They probably could have jumped Indi and swapped with the Bobcats (Love would have been there still I think) for cheap and drafted Westbrook. Might only cost you a second rounder for that.

BTW, Ford has his updated mock today with the deadline passed and updates from the Rebok camp:

Mock 5.0 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080617)

wow sacremento just got fucked!

I call it karma repaying Memphis for the Pau deal.

I was going to draft a PG anyway, I just have this feeling based on what I've been reading that Beno is going to command top dollar, and I don't think he's worth signing to a rediculous contract (we already did that with Mikki, and it's not working out)...plus the draft is thin and with Augustin likely to be gone, Kyle Lowry is a solid young player to pair up with Kev Martin...

and I'll be shocked if Spencer Hawes is still in the NBA within the next five years...he has Rafael Araujo written all over him...

and Douby running the point, wasn't going to cut it

Where did you guys get the info on who the teams free agents are, who's on the roster next year, etc. I've been working and doing so much homework over the last week that I haven't had the chance to set up Boston's draft thread, and I'm not 100% sure where to get all the info now that I have time.

Laxation is now on the clock with the Mighty Pacers.

He's in Australia, so who knows what the hell time it is there.

A couple good sources:

ESPN's 2008 Free Agents (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=2008freeagents)

HoopsHype's Salary Page (http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm)

I have found Storyteller's site to be very useful and accurate.

They just updated for 08/09 too.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm

Laxation is now on the clock with the Mighty Pacers.

He's in Australia, so who knows what the hell time it is there.
Google says it's early Wednesday morning there right now, so it could be a bit. Regardless, I'll be checking in tonight to make my pick on time.

I'm waiting for the first MFer here to try and pull off a trade with himself.

Thanks guys.

And Glenn, as long as its fair, I see no problems with that.

Here is the list of players from U.S. colleges and institutions who have withdrawn their names from consideration for the 2008 NBA Draft:

A.J. Abrams, Texas
Josh Akognon, Cal State Fullerton
Antonio Anderson, Memphis
Derek Bailey, Providence Christian Academy (SC)
Jason Bennett, Tallahassee CC (FL)
Chase Budinger, Arizona
Derrick Caracter, Louisville
DeMarre Carroll, Missouri
Charles Carter, Oklahoma Baptist
Josh Carter, Texas A&M
Lee Cummard, Brigham Young
Robert Dozier, Memphis
Wayne Ellington, North Carolina
Alonzo Gee, Alabama
Paul Graham III, Florida Atlantic
Danny Green, North Carolina
Lester Hudson, Tennessee-Martin
Stefon Jackson, Texas-El Paso
Ty Lawson, North Carolina
Leo Lyons, Missouri
Jerel McNeal, Marquette
Jeremy Pargo, Gonzaga
Courtney Pigram, East Tennessee State
John Riek, Winchendon School
Josh Shipp, UCLA
Kiwan Smith, Redlands CC (OK)
Ronald Steele, Alabama
Robert Vaden, Alabama-Birmingham
Lorrenzo Wade, San Diego State
Gordon Watt, Houston Baptist
Raymond Wright, Arkansas-Monticello

Here is the list of international players who have withdrawn their names from consideration for the 2008 NBA Draft:

Rodrigue Beaubois, Cholet (France)
Mikheil Berishvili, BC Vita (Georgia)
Omri Casspi, Maccabi Elite Tel Aviv (Israel)
Victor Claver, Pamesa Valencia (Spain)
Nando de Colo, Cholet (France)
Sergey Ilin, Budivelnik (Ukraine)
Joe Ingles, Melbourne S. Dragons (Australia)
Jonas Jerebko, Biella (Italy)
Mladen Jeremic, FMP Zeleznik (Serbia)
Maxym Korniyenko, Dnipro (Ukraine)
Luc Louves, Orleans (France)
Rudy Mbemba, Solna (Sweden)
Henk Norel, Alicante (Spain)
Maxim Sheleketo, VEF Riga (Latvia)
Giorgi Shermadini, Maccabi Tbilisi (Georgia)
Maksym Vilkhovetskyi, Dnipro (Ukraine)
Ronalds Zakis, VEF Riga (Latvia)

Even though Lax's time is up, I'm fine with waiting until he picks. I'll be able to get my pick (#12) in before 9 tomorrow, so we won't be behind at all.

According to his draft thread, I imagine he'll be ecstatic to see Westbrook still on the board and nab him.

that will probabyl be his pick^

and where do you announce trades?

and where do you announce trades?

I just did it here last time, and since I'm here, I'll just go ahead and do it.

Denver (defrocked) and Seattle (Cross) have a trade to announce.

Denver trades:
Pick #20

Seattle trades:
Pick #24
Pick #32

After being shocked by Indiana's selection of Alexander, the Grizz's #12 pick is available for trade. Westbrook, who many considered the top PG after Rose in the draft, is still available.

If I can't make a deal by 9 this morning, I won't hold things up and I'll go ahead and make my pick.

Thanks for waiting - I got confused with what time I had to be online, and in the end concentrated too much on the Pistons pick and completely forgot...

Anyway, I liked Alexander from the 3min I saw of him one game, so picked him ahead of Westbrook - but I'm happy with that trade... it makes more sense than my drafting theory ;)
(fucking dunleavy...)

I believe I have another trade to announce, and it's kind of a weird one.

Memphis (defrocked) and Indiana (Laxation) have agreed to the following trade:

Memphis trades:
Pick #12

Indiana trades:
Draft rights to Pick #11, Joe Alexander


I PM'd him asking about his glut at SF with Dunleavy, Granger and now Alexander, and he realized he wanted a do-over on the pick, essentially. So I move up a spot to grab Alexander, and he saves a couple bucks and takes his PG a spot later.

saves a couple bucks
I still dont understand the Miami/Philly trade last year...
pick 20 and cash for pick 21...

defrocked muscled him




j/k

Gotta go what you gotta do to excel at fake drafting.

Are we just chilling out on the time slots for a while and see how this thing comes along naturally?

No, they should have drafted. I'm having trouble getting back to this right now (our company is moving to another city in the area Friday so I am torn in many directions right now).

Maybe we should now call this the "WTF User NBA Mock Draft, featuring Chad Ford"

This was a big day for lospistones, too.

3 of the 6 picks.

And he's on the clock again.

He better have a good explination for this.

OK, this sucks balls. I had a trade all set up for this next pick (Toronto's 17th). There was one minor detail to it that lospistones didn't get back to me with.

I'm ready to pick whenever lospistones picks for the Raptors.

We may want to update the picks on the first page after trades have been made, to avoid any confusion later on.

Updated to reflect trades.

This is accurate as far as I can tell, but let me know if I missed any trades.


# Team GM TIME SLOT (Eastern Time)

6/16:
1. Chicago CROSS (9am-11am)
2. Miami WIZZLE (11am-1pm)
3. Minnesota JTURBO (1pm-3pm)
4. Seattle CROSS (3pm-5pm)
5. Memphis DEFROCKED (5pm-7pm)
6. New York GLENN (7pm-9pm)
6/17:
7. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (9am-11am)
8. Milwaukee HERMY (11am-1pm)
9. Charlotte GLENN (1pm-3pm)
10. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (3pm-5pm)
11. Indiana (To Memphis) DEFROCKED (5pm-7pm)
12. Sacramento (To Memphis, then to Indiana) LAXATION (7pm-9pm)
6/18:
13. Portland LOSPISTONES (9am-11am)
14. Golden State DTBM (11am-1pm)
15. Atlanta (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (1pm-3pm)
16. Philadelphia DEFROCKED (3pm-5pm)
17. Toronto LOSPISTONES (5pm-7pm)
18. Washington SHAGS (7pm-9pm)
6/19:
19. Cleveland LEDEZMA(9am-11am)
20. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (11am-1pm)
21. Dallas (To New Jersey) WTFCHRIS (1pm-3pm)
22. Orlando JTURBO (3pm-5pm)
23. Utah WTFCHRIS (5pm-7pm)
24. Phoenix (To Seattle, then to Denver) DEFROCKED (7pm-9pm)
6/20:
25. Houston HERMY(9am-11am)
26. San Antonio HERMY (11am-1pm)
27. New Orleans WIZZLE (1pm-3pm)
28. LA Lakers (To Memphis, then to Sacramento) LEDEZMA (3pm-5pm)
29. Detroit LAXATION (5pm-7pm)
30. Boston ZEKYL (7pm-9pm)


6/23:
31. Miami (To Minnesota via Boston) JTURBO (9am-10:30am)
32. Seattle (To Denver) DEFROCKED (10:30am-12am)
33. Memphis (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (12am-1:30pm)
34. Minnesota* JTURBO (1:30pm-3pm)
35. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (3pm-4:30pm)
36. New York (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (4:30pm-6pm)
37. Milwaukee HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
38. Charlotte GLENN (7:30pm-9pm)
6/24:
39. Chicago CROSS (9am-10:30am)
40. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (10:30am-12am)
41. Indiana LAXATION (12am-1:30pm)
42. Atlanta (To Sacramento) LEDEZMA (1:30pm-3pm)
43. Sacramento LEDEZMA (3pm-4:30pm)
44. Philadelphia (To Utah) WTFCHRIS (4:30pm-6pm)
45. Toronto (To San Antonio) HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
46. Portland (To Seattle via Boston) CROSS (7:30pm-9pm)
6/25:
47. Washington SHAGS (9am-10:30am)
48. Cleveland (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (10:30am-12am)
49. Golden State DBTM (12am-1:30pm)
50. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (1:30pm-3pm)
51. Dallas OOBIR (3pm-4:30pm)
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)
6/26:
55. Phoenix (To Portland via Indiana) LOSPISTONES (9am-10:30am)
56. New Orleans (To Seattle via Houston) CROSS (10:30am-12am)
57. San Antonio HERMY (12am-1:30pm)
58. LA Lakers GLENN (1:30pm-3pm)
59. Detroit LAXATION (3pm-4:30pm)
60. Boston ZEKYL (4:30pm-6pm)

Looks good to me. Thanks.

You missed Hermy and me swaping picks, but no biggie since they already passed.

BTW, how does Seattle have Denver's pick? Did I miss something?

Post #50

I've got both my picks today already set (depending on who is taken).

Well, we're about 6 hours ahead of schedule, which is nice.

Hermy's got the next two picks, so whenever he's ready, there's no real reason to stop.

yeah, it would be nice to keep going and end it early.

How's it going, Herms?

Updated to reflect Toronto/Minnesota trade.

I hope you have Monday open, lospistones.



# Team GM TIME SLOT (Eastern Time)

6/16:
1. Chicago CROSS (9am-11am)
2. Miami WIZZLE (11am-1pm)
3. Minnesota JTURBO (1pm-3pm)
4. Seattle CROSS (3pm-5pm)
5. Memphis DEFROCKED (5pm-7pm)
6. New York GLENN (7pm-9pm)
6/17:
7. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (9am-11am)
8. Milwaukee HERMY (11am-1pm)
9. Charlotte GLENN (1pm-3pm)
10. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (3pm-5pm)
11. Indiana (To Memphis) DEFROCKED (5pm-7pm)
12. Sacramento (To Memphis, then to Indiana) LAXATION (7pm-9pm)
6/18:
13. Portland LOSPISTONES (9am-11am)
14. Golden State DTBM (11am-1pm)
15. Atlanta (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (1pm-3pm)
16. Philadelphia DEFROCKED (3pm-5pm)
17. Toronto LOSPISTONES (5pm-7pm)
18. Washington SHAGS (7pm-9pm)
6/19:
19. Cleveland LEDEZMA(9am-11am)
20. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (11am-1pm)
21. Dallas (To New Jersey) WTFCHRIS (1pm-3pm)
22. Orlando JTURBO (3pm-5pm)
23. Utah WTFCHRIS (5pm-7pm)
24. Phoenix (To Seattle, then to Denver) DEFROCKED (7pm-9pm)
6/20:
25. Houston HERMY(9am-11am)
26. San Antonio HERMY (11am-1pm)
27. New Orleans WIZZLE (1pm-3pm)
28. LA Lakers (To Memphis, then to Sacramento) LEDEZMA (3pm-5pm)
29. Detroit LAXATION (5pm-7pm)
30. Boston ZEKYL (7pm-9pm)


6/23:
31. Miami (To Minnesota via Boston, then to Toronto) LOSPISTONES (9am-10:30am)
32. Seattle (To Denver) DEFROCKED (10:30am-12am)
33. Memphis (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (12am-1:30pm)
34. Minnesota* (To Toronto) LOSPISTONES (1:30pm-3pm)
35. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (3pm-4:30pm)
36. New York (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (4:30pm-6pm)
37. Milwaukee HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
38. Charlotte GLENN (7:30pm-9pm)
6/24:
39. Chicago CROSS (9am-10:30am)
40. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (10:30am-12am)
41. Indiana LAXATION (12am-1:30pm)
42. Atlanta (To Sacramento) LEDEZMA (1:30pm-3pm)
43. Sacramento LEDEZMA (3pm-4:30pm)
44. Philadelphia (To Utah) WTFCHRIS (4:30pm-6pm)
45. Toronto (To San Antonio) HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
46. Portland (To Seattle via Boston) CROSS (7:30pm-9pm)
6/25:
47. Washington SHAGS (9am-10:30am)
48. Cleveland (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (10:30am-12am)
49. Golden State DBTM (12am-1:30pm)
50. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (1:30pm-3pm)
51. Dallas OOBIR (3pm-4:30pm)
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)
6/26:
55. Phoenix (To Portland via Indiana) LOSPISTONES (9am-10:30am)
56. New Orleans (To Seattle via Houston) CROSS (10:30am-12am)
57. San Antonio HERMY (12am-1:30pm)
58. LA Lakers GLENN (1:30pm-3pm)
59. Detroit LAXATION (3pm-4:30pm)
60. Boston ZEKYL (4:30pm-6pm)

My work is starting it's first day at a new building on Monday, so hopefully our PC's will be up and running. Either way I pm'd Glenn my list for the Clippers in case.

Wizzle is up with New Orleans

Ledezma - Sacramento

ON THE CLOCK

Take your time, I'm guessing that we won't be seeing Laxation for a while.

Updated to reflect Toronto/Minnesota trade.



How was that trade allowed? Craig Smith can't be traded. He's going to be a free agent.

I realize we're not being as strict with the rules on this draft, and I don't have a problem with that. But this crosses the line, IMO. Someone could theoretically trade for Kwame Brown and get a whole bunch of cap space, and that obviously isn't legal. Plus a GM can't decide to sign and trade a player alone. That is as much on the player and his agent as it is for the GM.

I think you should only be able to trade players that can actually be traded. If everyone disagrees, then I'll just make my picks and keep my mouth shut. :)

Uh oh.

I had a feeling that allowing trades had the potential to backfire.

You make some great points there, shags.

I think we have to disallow this trade on those grounds.

Anyone disagree?

He's restricted, you can sign and trade those guys. This trade is legitimate.

The hard part for me is assuming that Smith would be willing to go along with it. That's a pretty big leap.

As a restricted free agent, starting July 1 he can go out and sign an offer sheet with another team and then it's up to Minny to match, not match or work out a sign and trade with that other team.

Also, the free agency signing period hasn't begun yet, so it couldn't even happen now, if I am not mistaken.

Again, I'm no expert, so I may have some details wrong here, but I think that is the crux of the problem.

He's restricted, you can sign and trade those guys. This trade is legitimate.

You can't trade any player who is going to be a free agent, restricted or unrestricted, during the draft.

But we could do it after the draft then?

Two simple rules:

1. You can't trade a player who will be a free agent.
2. All trades have to pass on the trade checkers, either ESPN or RealGM.

Shags,

The only problem with #2 is that the $ on those haven't been updated for 2008/09, or at least they weren't the last time I looked at them.

Shags,

The only problem with #2 is that the $ on those haven't been updated for 2008/09, or at least they weren't the last time I looked at them.

During the draft though, you're still trading using 2007/08 salaries. That doesn't change until July 1st. So they would be accurate.

Good to know.

You guys could try and rework the trade quickly if you'd like.

I think the rights to Lopez for the two picks would work, since Lopez doesn't have a dollar value until he signs, right?

Another option would be to change the mix of players involved to include eligible/tradable guys instead.

I think we have to void it in the meantime.

Ok, if I'm reading this right I can withdraw my qualifying offer to Craig Smith and then S/T him.

"A team can withdraw its qualifying offer to a restricted free agent, in which case the player becomes unrestricted. This happened with Toronto and Keon Clark in 2002. The qualifying offer cannot be withdrawn after July 23 without the player's approval".

"A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced, but cannot be made when the player is signed using the Mid-Level, Bi-Annual or Disabled Player exceptions. Sign-and-trade contracts must be for three years or longer, but only the first season of the contract must be guaranteed. The three year minimum (even though the last two seasons may be non-guaranteed) ensures that the new team will not acquire Bird rights to the player any sooner than if they had signed him directly, because if they want to give him a new contract using Bird rights then they would have to waive him first, which resets the Bird clock".

This info is from the NBA salary cap FAQ.

Are we maybe just talking about the timing of this trade with Smith's restricted free agency status. Do certain dates have to pass for this to be done appropriately?

Are we maybe just talking about the timing of this trade with Smith's restricted free agency status. Do certain dates have to pass for this to be done appropriately?

I think that's it, http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#89

Also, the assumption that he'll agree to the sign and trade without even testing the free agent waters.

Well he would get a hefty raise in our trade scenario, but I understand. So I'll go ahead and see if lospistones and I can hammer out something else. If not I'll just take my two picks back.

Cool, you have the whole weekend to work it out, but the sooner the better so we can all sleep at night.

Maybe you can work Jaric into the deal.

I thought you wanted him.

LEDEZMA

I have the picks for 3 or 4 people behind you.

Don't make us pick for you.

defrocked is up w/Denver

Updated to reflect the voiding of the Toronto/Minnesota trade.




6/23:
31. Miami (To Minnesota via Boston) JTURBO (9am-10:30am)
32. Seattle (To Denver) DEFROCKED (10:30am-12am)
33. Memphis (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (12am-1:30pm)
34. Minnesota JTURBO (1:30pm-3pm)
35. LA Clippers WTFCHRIS (3pm-4:30pm)
36. New York (To Portland) LOSPISTONES (4:30pm-6pm)
37. Milwaukee HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
38. Charlotte GLENN (7:30pm-9pm)
6/24:
39. Chicago CROSS (9am-10:30am)
40. New Jersey WTFCHRIS (10:30am-12am)
41. Indiana LAXATION (12am-1:30pm)
42. Atlanta (To Sacramento) LEDEZMA (1:30pm-3pm)
43. Sacramento LEDEZMA (3pm-4:30pm)
44. Philadelphia (To Utah) WTFCHRIS (4:30pm-6pm)
45. Toronto (To San Antonio) HERMY (6pm-7:30pm)
46. Portland (To Seattle via Boston) CROSS (7:30pm-9pm)
6/25:
47. Washington SHAGS (9am-10:30am)
48. Cleveland (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (10:30am-12am)
49. Golden State DBTM (12am-1:30pm)
50. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (1:30pm-3pm)
51. Dallas OOBIR (3pm-4:30pm)
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)
6/26:
55. Phoenix (To Portland via Indiana) LOSPISTONES (9am-10:30am)
56. New Orleans (To Seattle via Houston) CROSS (10:30am-12am)
57. San Antonio HERMY (12am-1:30pm)
58. LA Lakers GLENN (1:30pm-3pm)
59. Detroit LAXATION (3pm-4:30pm)
60. Boston ZEKYL (4:30pm-6pm)

Chris PM'd me his top 4 picks for the Clippers, but they've all been drafted.

1) Serge Ibaka
2) JJ Hickson
3) Ante Tomic
4) Jason Thompson

I'll give him a little bit of time to see if he logs on, if he doesn't fairly soon, we'll give him the best available big, since that seems to be where he was going with this pick.

I have picks on hand for everyone right through the last pick of the day.

just got in, give me 5 minutes

We got so far ahead that we are way ahead of schedule.

I PM'd lospistones and gave him until 4 pm to pick on his own or I will pick the highest ranked player from the list that he provided me.

Ledezma has until 4:30 to make his two picks or we'll pick for him.

We're running out of wiggle room, so we have to stay on schedule as much as possible.

Looks like it's Hermy and the Spurs next.

(DONE.)

Today's schedule:

6/25:
47. Washington SHAGS (9am-10:30am)
48. Cleveland (To Phoenix) LOSPISTONES (10:30am-12am)
49. Golden State DBTM (12am-1:30pm)
50. Denver (To Seattle) CROSS (1:30pm-3pm)
51. Dallas OOBIR (3pm-4:30pm)
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)

lospistones is on the clock

Had to pick for him since he never showed up.

I think we're going to need to pick for Cross here, too (damn time zones)

paging Mr. Oobir

Actually, Cross is still up.

I'll get a pick ready for him and Oobir.

Back on schedule:

6/25:
52. Orlando (To Miami) WIZZLE (4:30pm-6pm)
53. Utah WTFCHRIS (6pm-7:30pm)
54. Houston HERMY (7:30pm-9pm)

Hey, uh, I sent a list of selections to WTFChris a couple of days ago, in case I wasn't here, and I'm pretty sure that guy Dallas picked wasn't on it.

Based on the most recent mocks, can I officially give myself the Worst Pick with Randolph at the 5 spot? At least I saved myself later by grabbing Joe Alexander and Spencer Hawes for the them in a trade.

6/26:
57. San Antonio HERMY (12pm-1:30pm) ON THE CLOCK
58. LA Lakers GLENN (1:30pm-3pm)
59. Detroit LAXATION (3pm-4:30pm)
60. Boston ZEKYL (4:30pm-6pm)

I have Zekyl's pick, we just need Laxation to put this to bed.

Sorry about the mixup, Oobir.

If you want to replace your assigned pick with someone not yet drafted, we can do that.

Cool. Please switch me over to Gary Forbes.

How can you not go with a guy named "Gary Forbes".

He's just got a HOF name.