Check out this picture of Benzing and you'll know EXACTLY why he chose Michigan..........ADIDAS! Sucks on that, Nike SLAPPIES!

http://info.detnews.com/pix/blogs/newsmakers/benzing_robin.jpg
That kid is going to get mashed to a pulp in the Big Ten. Bielein is a joke.

He'll get mashed because he can't go toe-to-toe with Tom Herzog?

Epke Udoh got destroyed too.

Dipshit, you might want to keep in mind that, potentially, this kid has all the range of Neitzel, all the size of Herzog, and all the speed of Morgan. Obviously he's not going to be the best of those three, but unless your goal is to get past the first game of the NCAA tourney he should do fine. The other 3 struggled with that goal at times, but he just might be up to the challenge. Try to put your average SF on him and see how that goes. What will they do, post up against him with his long arms? Try to beat him off the dribble, when he allegedly has above average speed and movement? How will they challenge his outside shot? He could possibly be in the game at the same time as two other bigs. He's not going to UM as a C.

So please, explain to me how he would get mashed to a pulp while skinny guys like Manny Harris, who your fellow spartans said would be horrible yet he outperformed each of your heralded, underachieving freshmen, can be successful.

Try to follow my run-on sentence if you will. It's not Harpers material but I think you and you 13-year-old girlfriend can keep up.

Jethro, we'll have to wait and see on Dirk Jr., but I'm loving your unity nukes!

He'll get mashed because he can't go toe-to-toe with Tom Herzog?

Epke Udoh got destroyed too.

Dipshit, you might want to keep in mind that, potentially, this kid has all the range of Neitzel, all the size of Herzog, and all the speed of Morgan. Obviously he's not going to be the best of those three, but unless your goal is to get past the first game of the NCAA tourney he should do fine. The other 3 struggled with that goal at times, but he just might be up to the challenge. Try to put your average SF on him and see how that goes. What will they do, post up against him with his long arms? Try to beat him off the dribble, when he allegedly has above average speed and movement? How will they challenge his outside shot? He could possibly be in the game at the same time as two other bigs. He's not going to UM as a C.

So please, explain to me how he would get mashed to a pulp while skinny guys like Manny Harris, who your fellow spartans said would be horrible yet he outperformed each of your heralded, underachieving freshmen, can be successful.

Try to follow my run-on sentence if you will. It's not Harpers material but I think you and you 13-year-old girlfriend can keep up.
You know, at this point, I just feel sorry for you. Your father thinks you are second-rate because you went to SVSU, therefore, you try to fill the gap by exhibiting an embarrassingly, fanatical support of UM sports.

Jethro, do you really think this kid has the "range of Neitzel, the size of Herzog and the speed of Morgan"? If the kid had those attributes this early, he would be courted by more than just Bielein. You make the kid out to be a German superman. Do you suppose eugenics were involved in the construction of this hardwood hero?

Seriously, Jethro, you sound like an idiot.

Ok, Neitzel's range got him a whopping 40% from the field for his career, so that's not saying much. Herzog's size - he's almost there in height, maybe a year behind in weight. Morgan's speed. Um, I can outrun Morgan so that's also not saying much. I was ripping the hell out of your heroes more than I was hyping Benzing.

The point I was making, is your shoot-first PG can only hit 2 out of 5 shots and yet he was a preseason All-American. Your SF is not fast and yet he's the team leading scorer. (did I mention that he's soft and heartless?) The guy anointed to replace your usual red-headed white stiff weighed 120 lbs coming out of HS but no one i stalking about him getting beat down.

So, for you to rip this kid before he plays a game is retarded. That's my point. Mike Hart was a 3 star and he made your school look like a practice squad and laughed at them in the meantime. You might want to learn from that. He didn't have speed, size, or experience from playing at the highest level of competition. He still proved all your predictions wrong.

Ok, Neitzel's range got him a whopping 40% from the field for his career, so that's not saying much. Herzog's size - he's almost there in height, maybe a year behind in weight. Morgan's speed. Um, I can outrun Morgan so that's also not saying much. I was ripping the hell out of your heroes more than I was hyping Benzing.

The point I was making, is your shoot-first PG can only hit 2 out of 5 shots and yet he was a preseason All-American. Your SF is not fast and yet he's the team leading scorer. (did I mention that he's soft and heartless?) The guy anointed to replace your usual red-headed white stiff weighed 120 lbs coming out of HS but no one i stalking about him getting beat down.

So, for you to rip this kid before he plays a game is retarded. That's my point. Mike Hart was a 3 star and he made your school look like a practice squad and laughed at them in the meantime. You might want to learn from that. He didn't have speed, size, or experience from playing at the highest level of competition. He still proved all your predictions wrong.

You were not making a point at all. All you were/are doing was/is talking out of your ass. You make no sense and you lack the ability to make any rational assessment of anything MSU/UM related. You are a comically typical wannabe Wolverine goofball.

As far as Hart goes, I said he would not be a first day pick and may not be picked at all while bootlicks like you were claiming he was the best RB in the country and a realistic first round pick. Looks like I was much nearer to being correct. You may want to learn something from that.

You say I make no sense and I cannot make a rational comment.

I say Neitzel shoots 40% for his career.

Fact: 4 years at MSU - year by year FG%: 38.1%, 40.8%, 42.6%, 40.5%.
Who is right? I commented on this kids range. According to European prospects.com "In the U19 NBBL league, he averaged 22.5pts, 5.9rebs and 2.0blks while shooting 62.1% from 2 and 37.3% from 3."

Relative to my comments about Morgan, Draft Express wrote: "it’s pretty remarkable to see a 6-10 guy like Benzing putting the ball on the floor as easily as he does." When writing about Morgan they said: "He still struggles handling the ball when forced to put the ball on the floor more than two or three times in a straight line, lacking any creativity off of the bounce."

I commented on size in relation to Herzog. According to Rivals.com, Herzog was 6'11", 215 lbs when he committed to MSU. Draft Express lists Benzing at 6'10", 210 lbs.

All sites refer to him as a SF. In European competition he has been named to several All-Star squads and defensive teams.

You are counting him out because he is not highly sought after. Thus my Mike Hart comparison. In this thread: http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12274
It is titled "Remember what I said about Mike Hart?" followed by "I said he might not even be drafted. Well, others are starting to think that, too."
You were wrong then, as 50 players were taken after Hart and he ended up with a team one year removed from a Super Bowl ring.

You may want to consider the reason Benzing, like Hart, was not highly sought out is due to size, competition level, and being too raw. That was the argument and your inability to understand it does not diminish it as a point.

He's not in the draft because, being raw, he obviously needs to work on his game, fill out, and polish his skills in a different atmosphere. He wasn't offered by an amazing number of schools because few schools had the scholarships to give at that point, those that did were scrambling to get high school players - guys that could potentially make an impact THIS year, not be an eligibility issue. The fact that Beilein has more patience than the other coaches with scholarships in hand should not be a criticism of Benzings potential.

Jethro,

"Dipshit, you might want to keep in mind that, potentially, this kid has all the range of Neitzel, all the size of Herzog, and all the speed of Morgan. Obviously he's not going to be the best of those three, but unless your goal is to get past the first game of the NCAA tourney he should do fine. The other 3 struggled with that goal at times, but he just might be up to the challenge. Try to put your average SF on him and see how that goes. What will they do, post up against him with his long arms? Try to beat him off the dribble, when he allegedly has above average speed and movement? How will they challenge his outside shot?"


I just don`t know how an entire team, let alone a single player, can hope to stop this immensely talented prospect. I heard from Dotman that this kid actually turned down the Lakers just so he could play in Bielein`s system. A system, mind you, that will bring out the absolute best in this exceptionally talented young man. A Michigan Man, just like you, Jethro. Oops, sorry about that, Jethro. Hey, I`m sure they sell blue and yellow Adidas in Bay City.

Bielein is a joke.


He's the 'Mark Dantonio' of Big Ten Basketball...

He's the 'Mark Dantonio' of Big Ten Basketball...
Even by the very low standards you have already set, that was weak.

Dantonio is a very good coach that is turning around a dysfunctional program and has already shown considerable progress. Bielein is a gimmicky coach that has yet to show any progress, either in on court performance or recruiting.

I bet he has saved his best motivational speeches for this year, though.

Even by the very low standards you have already set, that was weak.

Dantonio is a very good coach that is turning around a dysfunctional program and has already shown considerable progress. Bielein is a gimmicky coach that has yet to show any progress, either in on court performance or recruiting.



7-6 isn't turning anything around when you played in the Big Ten, arguably the WORST BCS Conference last year...

Beilein = Dantonio = Bark, No Bite

7-6 isn't turning anything around when you played in the Big Ten, arguably the WORST BCS Conference last year...

Beilein = Dantonio = Bark, No Bite
Last year, Dantonio`s team only lost one game by more than 7 points and was in every game except one. Considering the past history of folding when faced with adversary and quitting after the non-conference schedule, Dantonio`s first year was a huge step forward.

Last year, Dantonio`s team only lost one game by more than 7 points and was in every game except one.



Who cares, nobody remembers the final scores, they just remember that they lost to Northwestern at home...and that they lost to Michigan.

MSU Football = UM Basketball = Irrelavant

Wil, your MSU cracks are old. The only guy who can do it and keep it funny is Zip (and sometimes Glenn, when Tre is around).

Tre is back and is using an alias, but nobody is supposed to know about it so dont' ruffle his feathers.

Who cares, nobody remembers the final scores, they just remember that they lost to Northwestern at home...and that they lost to Michigan.

MSU Football = UM Basketball = Irrelavant
The only sports fan that is that disinterested, shallow and uninformed, is you.

7-6 isn't turning anything around when you played in the Big Ten, arguably the WORST BCS Conference last year...

Beilein = Dantonio = Bark, No Bite

At least Dantonio has shown some success on the recruiting circuit. That's something that bodes well for the future of his program. Who is Beilein's signature recruit thus far? Zach Novak? Stewie Douglass? Some farfegnuggen from overseas? lol. Good luck...and here's a Snickers, it could be a while.

At least Dantonio has shown some success on the recruiting circuit. That's something that bodes well for the future of his program. Who is Beilein's signature recruit thus far? Zach Novak? Stewie Douglass? Some farfegnuggen from overseas? lol. Good luck...and here's a Snickers, it could be a while.

Dantonio showed success in recruiting where? 1 4 star recruit out of 21 signed in his first class? Perhaps you're counting people who haven't signed anything yet. You mean all the instate guys who found a favorable depth chart at Michigan State, or didn't fit the system run at the rival school? Ok, that's fine.

Let's compare Beilein, who also had a 4 star in his first class - that would be 1 of 2, not 1 of 21. And yes, he very much had to recruit Harris and Grady. His 2nd class is all 3 stars, and all three fit exact needs. I would not be surprised if that class beats State's class in terms of impact on the team. There are other obvious reasons for that, but nonetheless it's amazing to see how you can rip someone's recruiting based on guys you've never seen play. Feel free to rip that a few years from now. But I'm pretty sure one of his recruits just outplayed everyone in State's heralded freshman class - at least that's what the Big Ten coaches agreed upon.

He also recruited Lucas-Perry, another top 150 player from the class of 07. That gives him 3 top 150's from that class, along with 3 three stars and a Euro player who hasn't been evaluated to be ranked in comparison to high school talent, but should fit another need.

I don't know that you can safely say, based on talent that has signed, that Dantonio has had more recruiting success than Beilein.

Dantonio showed success in recruiting where? 1 4 star recruit out of 21 signed in his first class? Perhaps you're counting people who haven't signed anything yet. You mean all the instate guys who found a favorable depth chart at Michigan State, or didn't fit the system run at the rival school? Ok, that's fine.

Let's compare Beilein, who also had a 4 star in his first class - that would be 1 of 2, not 1 of 21. And yes, he very much had to recruit Harris and Grady. His 2nd class is all 3 stars, and all three fit exact needs. I would not be surprised if that class beats State's class in terms of impact on the team. There are other obvious reasons for that, but nonetheless it's amazing to see how you can rip someone's recruiting based on guys you've never seen play. Feel free to rip that a few years from now. But I'm pretty sure one of his recruits just outplayed everyone in State's heralded freshman class - at least that's what the Big Ten coaches agreed upon.

He also recruited Lucas-Perry, another top 150 player from the class of 07. That gives him 3 top 150's from that class, along with 3 three stars and a Euro player who hasn't been evaluated to be ranked in comparison to high school talent, but should fit another need.

I don't know that you can safely say, based on talent that has signed, that Dantonio has had more recruiting success than Beilein.
You just get more and more ridiculous. Or, to use your vernacular, more of a slappy. Please provide a link to the bolded portion of your post.

Also, Dantonio`s 2009 recruiting class is off to a great start (six 4 star recruits). Whereas, Bielein has one 3 star recruit. I don`t think even blue and yellow math can help you out there.

Look, Jethro, I realize you put a lot of yourself into UM sports for many very sad reasons. But, seriously, posts like the one above just really make you seem pathetic, utterly pathetic.

When will this get moved to the Terrordome? I keep waiting for some recruiting news when I see a new post in this thread and unfortunately its just a few laughs.

http://www.mgoblue.com/basketball-m/article.aspx?id=111528

Harris on the All-Freshman team, no Spartans made it.

I provided the link, now you provide the recognition of being wrong.

Once again, I said that based on SIGNED recruits, Beilein has done as well if not better. You cannot guarantee all of Dantonio's commits will sign. If they do, great for you. Then let's see them play and not be busts. Even then, Javon Ringer was a great recruit that has yet to win a meaningful game.

http://www.mgoblue.com/basketball-m/article.aspx?id=111528

Harris on the All-Freshman team, no Spartans made it.

I provided the link, now you provide the recognition of being wrong.

Once again, I said that based on SIGNED recruits, Beilein has done as well if not better. You cannot guarantee all of Dantonio's commits will sign. If they do, great for you. Then let's see them play and not be busts. Even then, Javon Ringer was a great recruit that has yet to win a meaningful game.
Of course Harris was on the All-Freshman team. He was the only real player on his team. More than anything, I think that award, albeit deserved, was a bone being thrown at the kid. Also, I would argue that Lucas performed equal to, if not better than, Harris in more situations against bigger, better competition on a much, much larger stage.

Your attempt at splitting hairs vis-a-vis signed recruits versus verbal comittments, is not only weak, but desperate. All of Dantonio`s recruits have shown nothing but complete alliegiance to him and MSU.

Face it Jethro, Dantonio is going to make MSU football very competitive and Bielein is just going to flounder with gimmicks and ill-conceived mismatches. Let us just watch the future play out and see who is more correct.

We can only speculate on who will flounder and who will succeed. They both bring with them resumes. Dantonio was decent against some bad competition. Beilein went to the NCAA tournament while competing in the Big East. If you plan to disregard the level of competition in the Big East, have more fun in your delusional world.

Now, one thing I will continue to do is prove your argument wrong with third party accounts.

Of course Harris was on the All-Freshman team. He was the only real player on his team. More than anything, I think that award, albeit deserved, was a bone being thrown at the kid. Also, I would argue that Lucas performed equal to, if not better than, Harris in more situations against bigger, better competition on a much, much larger stage.

Oh you of little intelligence. Why must you torment us with your stupidity? Do you not realize that there is a quantitative measure of the quality of competition? It's called strength of schedule, and if you take a look at this website...
http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/27powerratings.php3
...you shall see that Michigan had the 5th most difficult schedule in the country. Meanwhile State was 76. Care to explain your fuzzy math? Of course you don't. Surely you will simply reply that my latest argument is even more ridiculous, all while ignoring fact.

You, sir, are a wart. We keep putting powders and creams and harsh chemicals on you and you disappear for a time, but you never really go away. No, we cannot kill the fungus that is bukdow. He is always there on the bottom of our feet, being trampled on by logic yet never changing.

You, sir, are a wart. We keep putting powders and creams and harsh chemicals on you and you disappear for a time, but you never really go away. No, we cannot kill the fungus that is bukdow. He is always there on the bottom of our feet, being trampled on by logic yet never changing.

Poetic.

Wow, ownage.

Only the feud between Sgt. Slaughter and the Iron Sheik is more intense than bukdow and Jethro.

Remember when Sgt. Slaughter destroyed Combra Commander?

That was the shit.

We can only speculate on who will flounder and who will succeed. They both bring with them resumes. Dantonio was decent against some bad competition. Beilein went to the NCAA tournament while competing in the Big East. If you plan to disregard the level of competition in the Big East, have more fun in your delusional world.

Now, one thing I will continue to do is prove your argument wrong with third party accounts.


Oh you of little intelligence. Why must you torment us with your stupidity? Do you not realize that there is a quantitative measure of the quality of competition? It's called strength of schedule, and if you take a look at this website...
http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/27powerratings.php3
...you shall see that Michigan had the 5th most difficult schedule in the country. Meanwhile State was 76. Care to explain your fuzzy math? Of course you don't. Surely you will simply reply that my latest argument is even more ridiculous, all while ignoring fact.

You, sir, are a wart. We keep putting powders and creams and harsh chemicals on you and you disappear for a time, but you never really go away. No, we cannot kill the fungus that is bukdow. He is always there on the bottom of our feet, being trampled on by logic yet never changing.

Lucas` performance in the NCAA tournament (to which I was referring) was quite a coming out party. How did Harris do in the tournament? Also, how did Harris do against MSU? Or Harvard? Or, you get the idea. The reason the kid received recognition is because he is a good player, but moreso because he plays on a very weak team and is the only option.

Jethro, your blind ignorance and irrational love of a school you have zero connection to except as an icon of both your father`s love and rejection, may be something to behold in the circles that you travel. But, I`m telling you, your redundant retardedness is less then compelling.

And, as I stated earlier, your attempts at begrudging Dantonio the great start to his 2009 recruiting class is puerile and weak. Your arguments rely on hair-splitiing and self-narration.

German big man won't enroll at Michigan
Posted by Jim Carty | The Ann Arbor News July 18, 2008 14:48PM
Categories: Wolverines Basketball
Michigan announced Friday afternoon that highly touted German big man Robin Benzing had failed to meet NCAA eligibility requirements and would not enroll at the school.

Coach John Beilein said in a statement Benzing could sign with a professional team this fall.

Benzing, a versatile 6-foot-10 forward, signed with Michigan in May and had been among the most anticipated recruits of Beilein's two-year tenure. Beilein had indicated in the past he expected the 19-year-old to enroll regardless of whether he was eligible to play this season.

The Michigan coach was not immediately available for comment Friday, but released a statement through the university:

"We felt Robin had a very good chance of qualification, but in the end the NCAA Eligibility Center found him to be just short of eligibility to receive a scholarship from any Division I university While we were aware of the risk involved with this signing and we are disappointed for Robin, it does not deter our confidence in finding the right student-athletes for the future of this basketball program.

"Robin is a fine young man and we will continue to provide him with the NCAA information he will need if he continues to pursue options in the United States. If he does not pursue these options, I assume he will begin playing at a professional level in Europe starting this fall."

The addition of Benzing - who had been compared to a young Dirk Nowitski - had eased the sting of losing sophomore forward Ekpe Udoh, who transferred to Baylor. Michigan is now left with only two scholarship big men - 6-foot-10 junior Zach Gibson and 7-foot freshman Ben Cronin - on the roster for this upcoming season.

a young Dirk Nowitski

Nice job, Carty.

This whole thing pisses me off.
How good this kid could have been is up for debate, but the rules working against kids from overseas are rough.
Everyone and their brother knows that OJ Mayo did far more to potentially violate eligibility rules than Benzing did. He stayed legit. This kids play, as amateurs, for professional teams. It's no different from a golfer playing in a PGA event as an amateur. However, the jingoistic NCAA penalizes these kids over and over - inconsistently even.
Yes, I'm more irritated by it because it hurts my favorite team, but that doesn't lessen the facts.