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H1Man
05-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Ex-Tiger Jason Grilli: Tigers have bad chemistry; atmosphere is 'stale and stagnant'

Reliever Jason Grilli, traded last month after spending the previous three years in the organization, attributes the Tigers' struggles to a lack of cohesion and too many cliques.

The Tigers managed to show team unity one game last weekend when they took Edgar Renteria's suggestion and hiked up their socks, even playing music before the game. The Tigers won.

Yet instead of repeating the ritual the next day, Magglio Ordonez and left fielder Marcus Thames played with their pants low, and the music was off.

"It seems like they kind of broke up our team chemistry when they got rid of Sean Casey and good people like that," says Grilli, now with the Colorado Rockies. "You wanted guys like that around. You wanted a guy like Inge playing behind you, knowing he would go through a brick wall.

"Talent-wise on paper, that is one of the greatest teams assembled, but the atmosphere was stale and stagnant. You kept losing, losing and losing, and everybody became distant. I have good friends over there, and I feel badly for them."

Grilli has a 1.93 ERA in 9.1 innings with the Rockies. He was traded from the Tigers to Colorado Rockies for RHP Zach Simons on April 30.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080520/SPORTS02/80520007/1050


'Stale and stagnant' atmosphere

Sheffield looks around the clubhouse. It is two hours before game time against the Arizona Diamondbacks, and video is being shown of Dan Haren, the opposing pitcher.

No one is watching.

Cabrera, who had never faced Haren, is asleep in a chair. Magglio Ordonez has his back turned to the TV and is reading a magazine. A handful are playing cards.

Detroit lost 4-3, with Ordonez getting three of the six hits. The loss provided a snapshot of the year.

Cabrera, who moved to first base in April after struggling defensively at third, halfheartedly attempted to catch a foul pop-up. It caromed off his glove for an error. Shortstop Edgar Renteria and third baseman Carlos Guillen, who moved from first to make room for Cabrera, let a foul pop-up drop when no one communicated. And closer Todd Jones was left stranded in the bullpen, with one save opportunity since April 29.

"We used to pride ourselves on beating those high-dollar teams," says utility man Brandon Inge, who lost his starting third-base job after Cabrera's arrival. "We wanted it more. We played hard. We hustled. We ran everything out. We fought for nine innings.

"Now we're that team we used to beat. I don't want to get into it, but it's just different now."
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080520/SPORTS02/80520006/1048

I am personally not a big believer in chemistry but I do think that this team lacks a sense of urgency. Whether that's because they lack chemistry or whatever I don't know.

Zekyl
05-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Easy fix?

http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/img/cache/02268c260f8fff6f7502dd93a20e39be/WCHE-300_2.jpg

Vinny
05-20-2008, 06:22 PM
Once again, Whine and Cheese, an unbeatable combo.

DrRay11
05-20-2008, 07:47 PM
It's one thing to not have "chemistry..."

It's another to not prepare for games.

DrRay11
05-20-2008, 08:16 PM
Do we even have any of those good "clubhouse guys" like Casey around any more?

WTFchris
05-21-2008, 10:41 AM
Leyland had a big meeting before last night's game and took exception to those comments. He said Grilli needs to worry about Colorado and if he had pitched decent he'd still be here.

Glenn
05-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Some of these quotes and articles make it sound like this team is divided on racial lines.

Wizzle
05-21-2008, 11:18 AM
with Sheff in the clubhouse I don't see how that would be possible

Glenn
05-21-2008, 11:19 AM
with Sheff in the clubhouse I don't see how that would be possible

Not sure if you meant to use green text there or not.

In case you were serious, I'm thinking latino vs. non-latino.

Wizzle
05-21-2008, 11:23 AM
if green equals sarcasitc as hell then yes I should have


I guess I could see that latino vs non-latino issue creeping up with the season getting this ugly.

FillyCheezeSteak
05-21-2008, 11:36 AM
Not sure if this goes with the racial thing, but the Tigers came to SVSU a year or so ago before camp or whatever on one of those tours and shit. The guys were all sitting on stage and I thought it was a bit weird that all the white guys sat together, all the brothas sat together and all the latino-type cats were sitting together and they all looked quite ho-hum. I know it wasn't the locker room, but nobody really appeared to be feeling each other very much.

MoTown
05-21-2008, 11:42 AM
This can all be fixed if we just fire Millen.

Wizzle
05-21-2008, 01:17 PM
"Jason Grilli oughta just worry about Colorado, Jason Grilli isn't here any longer because Jason Grilli didn't pitch good under pressure situations and didn't pitch very well in Detroit."

If Jason Grilli had done a better job, he'd still be here. I don't wanna hear any weak (bleep) from Jason Grilli."

Wizzle
05-21-2008, 02:29 PM
http://www.wxyt.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=2266977

Leyland's full response.....wow that old man has a mouth on him

DrRay11
05-21-2008, 02:49 PM
^^Holy shit. lloolll

Glenn
05-21-2008, 03:03 PM
That is awesome.

I hope the national media runs with it (they will).

I think it's pretty obvious by Leyland's defensive response that there are indeed problems in the Tiger clubhouse.

You think he was referring to Inge with some of those other references?

If so, I wouldn't be surprised to see Inge gone next (by hook or by crook).

WTFchris
05-21-2008, 04:04 PM
^I took the .200 batting comment as a shot at Sheff.

JickBoy34
05-21-2008, 04:20 PM
Sheff didn't pop off in the media...Inge did.

WTFchris
05-21-2008, 05:03 PM
"It's so relaxed in here," says Sheffield, who is hitting .189 with two home runs and eight RBI as he struggles with right shoulder pain. "I don't know if that means that we don't have a killer instinct or we're just a real loose team. I've never seen anything like it."

From USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/tigers/2008-05-19-paper-tigers_N.htm)

Glenn
05-21-2008, 07:55 PM
I would think that Leyland would like and echo those comments, they may have even originated with him.

Shef's "his guy".