The Reverends comments no longer belong in the Dem thread.

The Rev comments yestereday kind of called out BO. This guy is cancer on BO and the US.

BO needs to ignore the piece of shit from here on out. What a fuckhead to go and actually hurt one of your parishoners chances of being elected the Prez. What fuckin ego this guy has. He's a pos.

I bet he'll reappear and keep slicing up BO until he bleeds a slow death, then he can stand up and say some racial shit about this country not electing a black man. Its your own self fulfulling prophecy you giant douche nozzle mother fucker. If you go away, he has a better chance.

This guy is mistaking public criticism for publicity. Best move for Obama now is the "see, you can't listen to everything this crank says" move.

This guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Pfleger) articulates a pretty compelling defense of Wright. I don't necessarily agree with every point he made but he certainly did add some nuance to the matter.

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Obama denounced Wright's recent remarks big-time.

Solely based on the weekend, Wright came across pretty well. His interview with Bill Moyers was fine. His appearance at the Detroit NAACP thingie got good reviews by the likes of the Detroit News. Wright's timing wasn't great for Obama, but his actual message wasn't totally bat-shit crazy to that point.

Then came the Monday appearance at the DC press corps. There, he went bat-shit crazy, yucking it up for the cameras and giving the media enough fodder to validate every bat-shit thing he's ever said. And then, he added some fucked up shit about Obama for good measure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/opinion/30wed1.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

According to AP, Obama has cut off contact with Wright. Which is wise for two reasons: it keeps the right-wing whackos from associating Obama with Scary Black People Who Actually Criticize Things When They're Wrong And Won't Just Pack It In For The Great White Victory, and it also sends a message from Obama to Wright saying "do not fuck this up for me or I will saw off your legs."

I don't blame Obama whatsoever.

This guy is mistaking public criticism for publicity. Best move for Obama now is the "see, you can't listen to everything this crank says" move.

I think this is a cogent observation. But he does have a segment of America cheering him on too.

Noted black nationalist and rabble rouser James Carter chimes in (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/28/jimmy-carter-speaks-out-w_n_99105.html) on Wright:


I grew up in Plains, Georgia and we have 600 people and 11 churches. And the largest and most powerful church is the Lebanon Baptist Church, which is an African-American Baptist church, so I have heard this kind of preaching all my life when we visited their church and they came to mine. What I think he's teaching is a liberation theology and his origins... I think sermons are still shaped by the deprivation of racial discrimination that our country has felt for 100 years after the civil war.

If Jimmy Carter heard about black AIDS conspiracies growing up, I'd be really surprised. That's the one that Obama called out specifically. I get where that myth comes from. Somewhere between:

- horrible decades of syphilis experiements at Tuskegee (which the media marginalized by citing it as among Wright's fucked up statements)
- AIDS being primary a "black" disease at the U.S. level (70% of women and >50% of men in the U.S. are black)
- AIDS being primary a "black" disease at the worldwide level (more AIDS deaths in black Africa than the rest of the world combined)

it's easy for me to see where some black people think AIDS targets them. (I'm bummed that seemingly no one has taken this opportunity to have a teaching moment about black AIDS.) But it's the job of the leaders, the educated folks who supposedly give a fuck about people, to not spread divisive misinformation suitable for the Coast To Coast radio show.

Hey, guys, remember when we lived in a country where there was war, recession, and an energy crisis? I remember when everyone used to talk about grown-up things.

But it's the job of the leaders, the educated folks who supposedly give a fuck about people, to not spread divisive misinformation suitable for the Coast To Coast radio show.

What leaders and who elects them? The idea of blacks marching in lock step with a common agenda behind a leader is a myth and it has always been a myth.

The only thing you can really say that blacks have in common with each other is skin color (itself a wide spectrum) and the issues that come with the way non-blacks view that skin color. Once you step outside of that narrow (important, but still narrow) concern there's just as much variation in beliefs and opinions as there is among whites. Enough to make the "take me to your leader" approach absurd and counterproductive.

The aids conspiracy stuff is patently absurd but black folks don't have a monopoly on crazy talk from religious figures (Katrina was god's wrath for the gays?), ass-backwards social policies (lol Abstinence) or crazy conspiracy theories (George Bush ordered 9/11?). Yet it takes more than skin color for a white person to get called out to answer for these "representatives" of "his people."

Hey, guys, remember when we lived in a country where there was war, recession, and an energy crisis? I remember when everyone used to talk about grown-up things.

I agree with you Swam, but this guy might have fucked up the first legitimate chance for a black man to be elected president.

It might not be an issue for this person or that person, but Wright has made himself a big enough issue to hurt BO. His negs are rising and aprovals are dropping.

I can't sit here and expect people to do dumb things. I understand that people are not always guided by reason in everything they do. I can't change that fact. But this is also a fact: when you expect irrational behavior from the majority of people, you have crossed a line into madness yourself.

What leaders and who elects them? The idea of blacks marching in lock step with a common agenda behind a leader is a myth and it has always been a myth.
Agreed. I don't think I implied anything racial in that particular statement. It's about being a leader, period, not a black or white issue. Lead responsibly. Lead with the fucking truth.


The only thing you can really say that blacks have in common with each other is skin color (itself a wide spectrum) and the issues that come with the way non-blacks view that skin color. Once you step outside of that narrow (important, but still narrow) concern there's just as much variation in beliefs and opinions as there is among whites. Enough to make the "take me to your leader" approach absurd and counterproductive.
I don't think of him as some mythical overall "black" leader. I do think of him as a "church" leader, though.

What leaders and who elects them? The idea of blacks marching in lock step with a common agenda behind a leader is a myth and it has always been a myth.

The only thing you can really say that blacks have in common with each other is skin color (itself a wide spectrum) and the issues that come with the way non-blacks view that skin color. Once you step outside of that narrow (important, but still narrow) concern there's just as much variation in beliefs and opinions as there is among whites. Enough to make the "take me to your leader" approach absurd and counterproductive.

The aids conspiracy stuff is patently absurd but black folks don't have a monopoly on crazy talk from religious figures (Katrina was god's wrath for the gays?), ass-backwards social policies (lol Abstinence) or crazy conspiracy theories (George Bush ordered 9/11?). Yet it takes more than skin color for a white person to get called out to answer for these "representatives" of "his people."

I mean no disrespect but...Tell that to the Reverend.

I saw a clip where he said that White teachers didn't know how to teach Black kids after deseg cuz Blacks and whites learn different. He said the right brain/left brain thing...blacks are left brain and white are right brain or something.

I feel that Wright has to keep his hate speech up cuz thats how he makes his money. If he can't keep brainwashing peeps into thinking all that fucked up shit he says is true and happeneing today, he will lose his audience and lose his money.

I mean no disrespect but...Tell that to the Reverend.

It's a free country, he can say what he wants. It's not like he's repping the committee to elect Barack Obama as president.

The whole Wright thing is a red herring anyway. Anyone using him as cover to attack Obama wasn't going to vote for him to start with.

All I was pointing out was that the guy you are defending directly contradicts what you said.

You are a real dickhead sometimes too, so you guys are kind of in the same boat, to me.

^ Actually most of the time.

I don't care of my opinion is contradicted by Wright. He's not my leader.

You care about what Wright says because you, like most of your fox-news-fed ilk know he's grist for the mill to agitate the conservative base with "scary black man" sound bites. Since plan A, using hillary hatred to rock the red vote, fell though... plan B is to make Wright this election's Willie Horton. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9j6Wfdq3o)

it keeps the right-wing whackos from associating Obama with Scary Black People Who Actually Criticize Things When They're Wrong And Won't Just Pack It In For The Great White Victory,
No way in the world you are stopping that angle. This country is dumb enough to still buy. Its out there now, I expect FoxNews to roll it out from now to November.

There are only three groups of people who still give a shit about this guy:

1) sensationalist news outlets,
2) theology students who are thrilled that people are actually talking about what preachers say anymore, and
3) the people who get an erection every time a Democratic politician is portrayed negatively in the press.

No one else gives a shit, and rightly so. Shits are too precious to just give away like that.

I don't care of my opinion is contradicted by Wright. He's not my leader.

You care about what Wright says because you, like most of your fox-news-fed ilk know he's grist for the mill to agitate the conservative base with "scary black man" sound bites. Since plan A, using hillary hatred to rock the red vote, fell though... plan B is to make Wright this election's Willie Horton. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9j6Wfdq3o)

You are officially a short sighted, prejudice, idiot.

It looks like you can only put peeps in 2 categories. Its easier for you that way, so you can give your canned response.

Time for me to try out the ignore feature.

There are only three groups of people who still give a shit about this guy:

1) sensationalist news outlets,
2) theology students who are thrilled that people are actually talking about what preachers say anymore, and
3) the people who get an erection every time a Democratic politician is portrayed negatively in the press.

No one else gives a shit, and rightly so. Shits are too precious to just give away like that.

I don't know Swam...If some of the polls were correct, indis took notice of this story. I don't think peeps think BO has the same views as Wright but what was he doing in that church for 20 years, type things. Questioning his judgement, I guess.

No one can set the model for who a voter can and cannot vote for. Its everyones choice and (again), if some of the polls were correct, there is a segment of indis that said it was an issue for them.

btw...lol @ all the Fox News stuff.

You are officially a short sighted, prejudice, idiot.

It looks like you can only put peeps in 2 categories. Its easier for you that way, so you can give your canned response.

Time for me to try out the ignore feature.
Come on guys. Ease up on each other.

My bad Swam.

Its fixed going forward.

There are only three groups of people who still give a shit about this guy:

1) sensationalist news outlets,
2) theology students who are thrilled that people are actually talking about what preachers say anymore, and
3) the people who get an erection every time a Democratic politician is portrayed negatively in the press.

No one else gives a shit, and rightly so. Shits are too precious to just give away like that.
1.)These same outlets are the biggest outlets. You give this country too much credit.
2.)You're a minority on this idea of preachers. And honestly I prefer not to see the religion debate slowly creep in here. Either way you're thinking about what you think and not what a majority of this country thinks. At the end of the day this country can't stay away from sensationalist stuff like this. I mean we talk about it and so does damn near every forum on the internet with some relation to politics. It would be naive to believe it dies down by the swift passing of Obama's hand.
3.)Well i can't relate to getting an erection about anything that isnt a hot female bitch or hot bitches. So I feel bad for that group if they exist. :emo kid:



No one else gives a shit, and rightly so. Shits are too precious to just give away like that.
What exactly is too precious and who is it too precious to? If we are talking about whats precious to obama, then thats irrelevant to whats precious to citizens who tune in to catch what britney spears is doing this week to be a bad mother. I'm overall just saying that as crappy and unprofessional as fox news is, it has the ear of alot of this country. So if its pushing the reverend wright thing and he continues to keep speaking everywhere he can to give them juice, then it'll have a negative effect. It shouldnt, but people should also be smart enough to not see through Bush. And alot of them arent until recently for some.

btw...lol @ all the Fox News stuff.
LOL@Fox News. Its a crap hole man. With all due respect its sensationalist to the next level news Tahoe. You're entitled to it. But I can't begin lie to ya and say its not. And after calling obama osama earlier in this campaign on purpose, I can't respect or put anything past them.

You are officially a short sighted, prejudice, idiot.

It looks like you can only put peeps in 2 categories. Its easier for you that way, so you can give your canned response.

Time for me to try out the ignore feature.

I didn't put you in a category, you self-identified. A person can do a lot of things with rope, you chose to hang yourself with it. Well done.

LOL@Fox News. Its a crap hole man. With all due respect its sensationalist to the next level news Tahoe. You're entitled to it. But I can't begin lie to ya and say its not. And after calling obama osama earlier in this campaign on purpose, I can't respect or put anything past them.

And I understand that you feel that way. I think you are wrong, but thats ok. I respect your opinions.

They, like the rest of the outlets, have some shit guests on that say dumb fuck things and the headlines are FoxNews says blah blah blah. Thats the part that I think you are wrong on.

I watch Brit Hume and Greta most of the time. They have good guests and good balanced panels. Thats why I watch them.

And I understand that you feel that way. I think you are wrong, but thats ok. I respect your opinions.

They, like the rest of the outlets, have some shit guests on that say dumb fuck things and the headlines are FoxNews says blah blah blah. Thats the part that I think you are wrong on.

I watch Brit Hume and Greta most of the time. They have good guests and good balanced panels. Thats why I watch them.

And I understand that you feel that way. I think you are wrong, but thats ok. I respect your opinions.
Wrong how exactly?


They, like the rest of the outlets, have some shit guests on that say dumb fuck things and the headlines are FoxNews says blah blah blah. Thats the part that I think you are wrong on.
Shit guests? try shit reporters on Fox. Thats the difference. Do other stations have slighted analysts, yea. But Fox is slighted at every major facet of their news. Rupert Murdoch wouldnt have it any other way.


I watch Brit Hume and Greta most of the time. They have good guests and good balanced panels. Thats why I watch them.
Brit Hume is full on Republican Bias. and Greta Van Susteren tries to come across even keel, but she'll hop in with hannity rhetoric soon as it gets going.

Rev Wright apparently unretired from Trinity. From the report I heard, he thinks Rev Moss should be called head pastor 'elect' or something, cuz he's not sure Rev Moss is ready to take over just yet.

^ Take all that shit with a grain of salt. Heard it, didn't read it or see it.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811674,00.html?imw=Y

If its true that Rev Wright is hurting BO, then I honestly wish he'd just go away.

I'd love to see a clean liberal vs conservative political fight and see where the country votes.

I'm sure there are many Repubs that feel the Rev is the gift that keeps giving. I heard a Repub speculate tonight that he honestly believes that Wright is still pissed that BO didn't let him give the invocation at his announcement for the Prez. I don't know about that but I don't think Wright has BO's best interest at the forefront of his actions or something.

Wright's getting senile, I think. I suspect the man that Obama found some sort of enlightenment through many years ago was somewhat different than he is today.

How do you deal with old people close to you going a bit kooky without throwing them under a bus? That's a hard thing, and something I struggle with in my own life every so often.

Theres prolly plenty of peeps that didn't like Billy Graham but he was a pretty good spiritual leader for lots of peeps. And in the end, his family and handlers would NOT allow him to be interviewed. It was said that they weren't about to have his legacy ruined by some comment of an old man.

Theres prolly plenty of peeps that didn't like Billy Graham but he was a pretty good spiritual leader for lots of peeps. And in the end, his family and handlers would NOT allow him to be interviewed. It was said that they weren't about to have his legacy ruined by some comment of an old man.
Well, there are all the recordings of him and Nixon talking about how blacks are stupid and Jews are evil. I figure if that isn't going to tarnish him (and so far I don't think it did) then nothing will.

Yea, Billy was pretty much evil. I forgot.

Yea, Billy was pretty much evil. I forgot.
That's not what I'm trying to say. I think Billy Graham has a heroic reputation among white Christians, but not at all among black Christians or non-Christians. It's one of the problems that comes with the religious lives of Americans being so segregated like they are.

I honestly don't know shit about him...other than he was a pretty big name back in the day. I was just using him as an analogy in the conversation with Mxy about senility or something. And protecting someones image as they age. Billy had a pretty good image, iirc, at the time of his retirement.