lol

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080108/SPORTS01/80107067/1049

Detroit Lions wide receiver Roy Williams was on WDFN AM Monday.

Below is the conclusion of the interview:


On needing a new quarterback:

“We have J.T. and we have Drew, and I think they’re really sold on Drew being the backup and one day being the starter here. But if one of those quarterbacks fall into our lap, like the Ryan kid, or if we happen to make a trade to get up, I think they might do that. Kitna is getting to be 97 years old, so we do need that solid backup.”

What does it matter if, according to people here, he won't be back next season?

I hope he's back. Someone's got to be our number 1 while Calvin learns to play at the pro level (a.k.a. heals up some so he can take over). I think those two would be a great WR tandem, now we just need to build up our offensive line so the QB, whoever it is, can have the time to throw them the ball.

DeWayne White is on ESPN News right now and he says that part of the reason that he respects Rod Marinelli is because he taught him that he should read books to his kids.

Not sure how to feel about that.

#1 - what father doesn't naturally know he should read books to his kids?

#2 - um, it's a nice thing and all, but how about teaching DB's not to get beat instead?

Read their playbooks to their kids? Learn what the hell they're supposed to be doing out there by reading "Coverage for Dummies" to their kids?

Reports: Lions decide to part ways with Rogers
ESPN.com news services

Updated: January 23, 2008, 2:59 PM ET

The Detroit Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) have decided to part ways with defensive tackle Shaun Rogers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5508), according to reports in Detroit.

The Lions have decided to trade or release Rogers, according to reports. Coach Rod Marinelli and team spokesman Bill Keenist have both said they expect all players under contract to return.
Rogers, who has served one four-game suspension for taking a banned dietary supplement and could face an eight-game suspension if he tests positive again, has three years left on his contract.
In addition, Rogers, who was coming off knee and shoulder surgeries last offseason, was listed at 340 pounds but weighed at least 360.
Rogers, who has been to two Pro Bowls, had a good start to the season and was named NFC defensive player of the week after returning a 66-yard interception for a touchdown and recording 2½ sacks in the Lions' 44-7 victory over the Denver Broncos (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=den) in Week 9. But in the six-game losing streak that followed, he disappeared.
On Jan. 17, Marinelli said that he expects every player under contract to report for the Lions' offseason conditioning program, including Rogers, but he realized that Rogers' weight would be an issue.
"He was a good player for us for nine games," Marinelli said at the time. "But it's the endurance all the way through the season, that's what I'm looking for."

Kowalski: Rogers isn't going anywhere -- yet

by Tom Kowalski Wednesday January 23, 2008, 2:43 PM


Despite a television report that the Detroit Lions have already decided to part ways with defensive tackle Shaun Rogers -- either by cutting him or trading him -- a source close to the team said the club has yet to make any decision on Rogers' future in Detroit.
It's clear that head coach Rod Marinelli was extremely upset with Rogers' production and intensity during the team's playoff drive last season and every indication was that Marinelli didn't want Rogers to return in 2008. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind about Rogers' situation:

--- Marinelli becomes a different person once the football season ends. During the season, Marinelli's entire focus is on the games and he's very emotional and passionate. Once the season is over, though, Marinelli becomes more clinical in assessing the players and the emotion is taken out of the evaluations.
--- Even if Marinelli is still convinced that Rogers must go, Marinelli doesn't make the final personnel decisions -- that job belongs to president Matt Millen and Millen isn't ready to dump Rogers. Not yet anyway. As frustrating as Rogers can be with his weight problem and low-intensity attitude, he's still a tremendous talent who demands constant double-teams when he's on the field. And he led the team with seven sacks -- a career high.
--- The Lions have a slew of needs to fill on defense -- at least one defensive end, a middle linebacker and two cornerbacks -- and the team doesn't want to create another vacancy if they can avoid it.
--- Three months ago, it appeared Damien Woody would never suit up for the Lions again, either. Woody had angered the coaching staff and lost his job and they were ready to move on without him. There wasn't much in Woody's recent history to indicate that he would bounce back, but that's exactly what he did. Now the Lions are hoping to re-sign him to the club.
--- If the Lions do come to the conclusion that Rogers must be cut or traded, they aren't going to do anything until they have to. They'll wait as long as possible to work some kind of a trade either involving a veteran player or a draft pick. The Lions don't want to give him up for nothing and that's why releasing him would be a last resort. The Lions owe Rogers a $1 million bonus on March 2 so it's possible a final decision could come before that time. It's also possible the Lions will pay the bonus and keep Rogers and see how he responds in training camp -- one more last chance -- before deciding what to do.

What a fucking joke. Getting rid of one the most talented defensive tackles in the NFL for nothing. I guess Matt Millen is a big fan of the Law of Diminishing Returns.

Good God, I don't care if Shaun Rogers half-asses it, Shaun Rogers playing at 75% motivation is better than Shaun Cody or Langston Moore playing at 100%. So we get rid of Rogers, and only hope that the guy we bring in here to replace him, is as good as him.

What an organization folks...

That's the same guy you're hoping is smart enough to draft Talib.

ALLEN PARK -- In discussing the future of defensive tackle Shaun Rogers, Detroit Lions coach Rod Marinelli said Tuesday there are only two options: Rogers will either be traded or he'll be reporting to the team's training camp in July.

When asked if there was any chance Rogers would be given his outright release during the off-season, Marinelli said "No."
There has been a lot of recent speculation -- including a report on ESPN2 last week -- that Rogers, who did not play well during Detroit's six-game losing streak, could get cut. Those rumors were fueled by the fact the Lions owe Rogers a $1 million roster bonus on March 2 and might try to dump him before paying the bonus.
Marinelli said the Lions will not cut Rogers but did not deny the possibility that the Lions would entertain a trade offer for him - or for veteran receiver Roy Williams.
"I think you have to listen in this league," Marinelli said. "Anytime you can make your team better, whoever it is - and it's not just those two guys - you've got to listen. If you've got a chance to improve your team, everybody listens. That's true with every team in the league."
The Lions have several vacancies on defense, including defensive end, linebacker and at least two cornerbacks. If the Lions do swing a deal for Rogers, they would prefer one or two veteran defensive players in return (including the possibility of a tackle to fill Rogers' void).
The Lions would also consider a trade for draft picks, depending on how high they are, but Marinelli made it clear that Detroit would not deal Rogers unless they received excellent value.
If the Lions can't get adequate compensation, Marinelli said Rogers will be playing his eighth NFL season as a Detroit Lion.
"That door will always stay open," Marinelli said. "This is the best year he's had, he practiced all year and didn't miss any games."
Rogers had a career-high seven sacks this season and was a dominant force as the Lions rolled to a 6-2 record at the halfway point. Beginning with the 31-21 loss to the Arizona Cardinals, though, Rogers' production plummeted. In Detroit's six-game losing streak, Rogers had just 17 tackles (only eight solo tackles), no sacks, no forced fumbles and no fumble recoveries.
While Rogers didn't participate in training camp because of knee problems, he missed almost no practice time and he played in all 16 games for the first time since 2004.
Whether Rogers stays or goes, Marinelli continues to maintain that character and a passion for playing football is at the top of his agenda in formulating a roster. Talking about his goal of putting together a playoff-caliber team, Marinelli said: "The bottom line, at the end of the day, is that you've got to have guys doing it your way.
"Even if you don't play well, you've got to play hard. If you don't, you become what you tolerate. If you tolerate poor practice habits, if you tolerate not finishing, if you tolerate lack of execution, that's what you become."

Answering e-mails: DL success could hinge on this guy

by Tom Kowalski Wednesday January 30, 2008, 10:21 AM




Scrimage: What's the out look on "Five-O" is he going to be cut or is he still one of Rod's projects?
Tom Kowalski: Neither. Not only will former second-round draft pick Ikaika Alama-Francis not be cut, but the Lions are going to be counting on him so much this season that he can no longer be a "project'' either. The Lions have a big need at left defensive end -- Dewayne White is expected to play the right side this season -- but it looks like they won't be able to fill that spot in the draft or free agency. At No. 15 in the first round, the Lions aren't going to find any impact defensive ends and it's foolish to believe a lower-round pick will blossom so quickly. In free agency, the Lions aren't expected to make a big splash for any position so guys like Jared Allen and Justin Smith aren't on the radar. As it stands now, Detroit will have to fill the Kalimba Edwards vacancy with Alama-Francis and Jared DeVries. Not exactly what fans wanted to hear, but that's the reality of the situation. Steve: Is it me, especially given (offensive coordinator Jim) Colletto's previous experience in Baltimore with Brian Billick, or does it sound like the "balanced" offense will ultimately be a return to a "Mooch"-like "west coast" brand of offense?


Did I miss something, where is Edwards?

Chained up next to bukdow in diddy's basement.

Reading the Rogers article, it throws out both Rogers AND Roy Williams as possible trade bait.
I like a motivated Rogers and I like Roy, but the team sucks WITH them, how could it possibly be worse without them?
I would trade them and blow this whole thing up. Only problem is, we have Millen. I really wish a new GM were in place to blow things up and make the difficult decisions.
Why can't we rape people like New England does?

Did I miss something, where is Edwards?
He was missing all season, no point in assuming he'll appear next year.

Yeah, but his article basically said he was already gone (as if being traded or cut). I couldn't find any article on any site pointing to his release or trade. We should have let him go to the browns before but we all know Millen is an idiot.

You know, the curse of Bobby Layne ends this year. So I'm pretty sure we can put anybody on the field that we want and we'll win the Superbowl.

Just a thought.

You know, the curse of Bobby Lane ends this year.

We still have the curse of Bobby Ross, though.

We need to shake the curs of Millen first and foremost.

And they may just be assuming Edwards is going to be completely unproductive this season.

This says he's gone to me (unless they have illusions of OLB play from him):


As it stands now, Detroit will have to fill the Kalimba Edwards vacancy with Alama-Francis and Jared DeVries.
That doesn't imply that he's still here when he's not even mentioned as a backup.

He'd probably fit as a 3-4 OLB somewhere. Just not here.

The reason they're calling it an Edwards vacancy is because he is on IR for the upcoming season. They said he'll be out about 16 months before he can play again. He had major reconstructive surgery on his groin to replace the vagina that was developing there.

The Killer said on WDFN yesterday that Alama-Francis may be the starter next year...

God help him.

God help us.

God? Help the Lions? Psshhhh

Al Wilson is visiting the Lions (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/02/denver_post_lb_al_wilson_to_vi.html) today apparently. I'm sure we'll sign him. We love injured LB's.

Are we surprised? No we are not. (We referring to fans)

Anything is an upgrade over Paris Lenon. Sign the dotted line Al.

If Marinelli wants his team to get younger and faster, as he's said repeatedly said since the end of the season, why bring in a guy like the soon-to-be 31-year-old Wilson?


"The one thing I thought he would bring at that position ... that guy is your quarterback (on defense),'' Marinelli said. "We wanted to bring him in and see where he was at. But to answer your question, we want to continue to get younger and more explosive. I was fast and youth.''


When Marinelli was asked about a possible role Wilson would have on the team, he said: "I don't want to go too far down the road with you guys. We just had a chance to bring him in and see what he's about and see where he's at.''


It appears the Lions were doing a thorough check on Wilson and if they don't fill their linebacker needs in the draft -- and Wilson is still available -- they'll have an excellent idea of what he has left and whether he'd be a good fit for the team. But, right now, it appears the Lions are still hoping to upgrade their linebacking unit with younger players.

Fear for our children.
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I'm starting to think Lions fans deserve what they get.

"In the end... zone." LMFAO!

"The Lions are going to own, own own."

Awesome!

Martz, interviewed at the NFL scouting combine, revealed for the first time that he was actually fired by the Lions.
"Oh yeah, they fired me. They absolutely fired me," said Martz, who is now the offensive coordinator for the 49ers.
With neither Martz or the team declaring the departure to be a firing or a resignation, it was believed to be a mutual departure.
"When they fired me, then it became mutual -- I agreed that I should probably go. That's how it became mutual," Martz said.
When asked if he was surprised why the Lions wouldn't term it a firing in their official press release, Martz said, "I can't explain anything that they do."

Martz also indicated that Lions first-round draft choice Calvin Johnson, a receiver out of Georgia Tech, was hurt a lot worse than originally believed last year. Johnson suffered a back injury in the third game of the season, against the Philadelphia Eagles, and missed the next game but played in every other game.
Johnson finished the year with just 48 catches for 756 yards but Martz said his production wasn't limited by the complexities of the offense.
"Not at all, just the opposite in fact. He did a great job in preparation," Martz said. "Calvin got hurt in that Philadelphia game and he never recovered the rest of the year. He was never 100 percent the rest of the year. In fact, there were games he really struggled to play and maybe shouldn't have played, I don't know. It was important to him to play and you've got to give him credit. He fought through it pretty good."

I like Martz.

Freep says we're trading Shaun Rogers to Denver:
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080225/SPORTS01/80225055

I'm gonna go with Stephen Alexander and a fifth round pick.

Stephen Alexander plays for the Broncos?

Edit: Nevermind, I was thinking Shaun Alexander. Didn't Stephen Alexander retire or something, haha? Any guesses on who we really are going to get?

The Lions also cut Fernando Bryant today.

Good stuff! I like how we compete to be the worst.

So we cut our top CB? Granted, he had injury problems, but he was our only DB that did anything.

trading rogers to dungver for peanuts? Damnit who runs the lions again?

[smilie=jefffoster.:


on a side note, this emoticon is disturbing.
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Wow, I didn't know that emoticon existed....

Detroit Lions agree to two-year deal with cornerback Keith Smith (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/02/detroit_lions_agree_to_twoyear.html)

by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com Thursday February 28, 2008, 4:28 PM


The Lions added another Smith to their secondary. A day after signing former Tampa Bay and Minnesota safety Dwight Smith to a two-year deal, Detroit came to an agreement for cornerback Keith Smith to return to the team, according to Mike O'Hara, of The Detroit News. Terms are not confirmed, but are believed to be for two years and $5 million.

The Detroit News, February 28: (http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080228/SPORTS0101/802280489/1004) "Keith is excited to re-sign with Detroit," McCartney said. "He's excited to stay with the team that drafted him and looks forward to the next two years." ... "I think Keith is close to becoming a starter in this league," McCartney said. "This protects both sides. Detroit has a chance to keep developing him."

The Lions made a 3.5 mil offer to another Bucs player, their safety. WTF are we going to do with all these safeties? I hope Tampa matches.

Cut them during training camp

Probably. I did a fantasy draft on my Madden game and I noticed most of our draft picks in the FA pool because nobody wanted them. Orlovsky, Francis, Brashir...you name it most of our players were there.

2008 Defense

DE- Dewayne White
DT- Cory Redding
DT- Chuck Darby
DE- Ikaika Alama-Francis
OLB- Ernie Sims
MLB- Paris Lenon (ugh)
OLB- *Draft Pick* or Alex Lewis
CB- Leigh Bodden
CB- Brian Kelly (if he signs); if not Travis Fisher
SS- Daniel Bullocks or Dwight Smith
FS- Gerald Alexander


^^^That has 11-5/12-4 written all over it^^^


Also, I'm assuming Kenoy Kennedy will be cut sometime before or during training camp, no way he's on the squad this year...

Also, I read a rumor that the Eagles have offered Lito Sheppard, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick, 6th round pick to the Lions for Roy Williams...

Now, I'm no GM, but I think it would be down right criminal if MM didn't accept that deal...if it's really on the table of course...

that deal would give us 11 total picks, and 7 of which are in the first 4 rounds...

plus, a Pro Bowl caliber corner to pair up with Bodden...

Yeah, I can certainly understand wanting to keep Roy, but his heart is in Texas and I see us having to franchise him to keep him. Might as well get something for him now. You could draft another WR with that 2nd round or 4th round pick that could be productive. Not Roy, but productive. In fact, a current mock has the Eagles using that 2nd round pick for Lavelle Hawkins out of Cal. Andre Caldwell from Florida is likely available there as well. But there will be guys like Arrington quite possibly available even with that 6th round pick - based on some mocks. That way we could use the 2nd and 4th to help with the other picks in building the defense and the lines.

The last 4 games of last season when Roy was out, more specifically the Dallas game, proved that we can be competitive w/o Roy Williams, plus if we're planning on not throwing the ball as much as last year, whats the point on having 2 big time receivers???

having Clavin,Furrey, McDonald as a WR core is more than enough to get by, plus whats the point on keeping Roy if he's going to leave after next year anyway??? No way will we franchise him since the WR price is outrageous, trade him now and get 85 cents on the dollar, or wait til' next offseason and get nothing...

shouldn't even be a question, move him...

I'd probably make that move, but I'd try to con them into a 2nd and 3rd instead of 2nd, 4th and 6th if at all possible. A healthy Calvin Johnson will replace what we're losing with Roy. You have to remember that he wasn't healthy at all last year so having him at 100% will make a huge difference. Also, finally doing something to shore up our secondary will be huge.

I'd probably do it to, only because I can see Roy walking as a FA. Also, I'm really not sure what kind of offense we are going to run, which means another season of growing pains, and probably the nail in the coffen for Roy wanting to be here.

Uhg. I hate this move

Bucs don't match, Pearson is a Lion

by Tom Kowalski Wednesday March 12, 2008, 8:04 PM

According to the Tampa Tribune (http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/story/bucs-dont-match-pearsons-offer/), the Tampa Bay Buccaneers will not match the offer sheet safety Kalvin Pearson signed with the Detroit Lions.
The Lions signed Pearson, a restricted free agent, to a three-year contract worth $3.5 million. The Bucs had one week to match the offer -- the deadline was midnight Wednesday night -- but the Bucs have already informed Pearson they wouldn't match. Because Pearson entered the league as an undrafted free agent, the Bucs will receive no compensation from the Lions.
Pearson has been mainly a special teams player in his three years with Tampa and his role with the Lions has not been defined. Safety is already a crowded position, though: the Lions have two former second-round draft picks in Gerald Alexander and Daniel Bullocks and have already signed veteran free agent Dwight Smith.

Detroit Buccaneers.

lol. Let's trade Roy for that package, I could live with it. Let's get a strong D and decent O...

BLOOMFIELD TOWNSHIP, Mich. -- Former Detroit Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) defensive end Robert Porcher (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=2132) will be sentenced next month on a charge that he assaulted his ex-wife.
Porcher pleaded no contest to the charge Wednesday in an Oakland County court. His sentencing was set for April 3.
Porcher was arrested on the misdemeanor assault and battery charge in December. The charge is punishable by up to 93 days in jail and a $500 fine.
Court records show Porcher and his wife, Kimberly, divorced in 2006. They have three children. The 38-year-old Porcher played 13 seasons for the Lions.

Kitna looks forward to getting a fresh start.
The Lions are scheduled to regroup Monday morning for the beginning of offseason conditioning at the team's practice facility in Allen Park.
He said he's encouraged by a series of recent roster moves that includes re-signing running back Tatum Bell and right tackle George Foster and the additions of Leigh Bodden, Brian Kelly, Dwight Smith and others to the defense.
"I think the one thing Rod has done is to try to bring unity to the organization from top to bottom," Kitna said of Lions coach Rod Marinelli. "He's had to make some hard decisions. I think he's trying to build the youth and depth of the team. He's trying to do what he thinks is going to be best for the team.
"I trust that in Rod. There's a lot of shakeout on the roster that happens in the first two years (under a new coaching staff)," he added. "I really like what Rod is doing."
In two seasons, the roster purge, which included Thursday's surprising release of starting running back Kevin Jones, leaves the Lions with just 14 players who're still around since Marinelli became head coach.
"I really like the makeup of our locker room now," Kitna said.
In particular, he praised the following:
• Offensive line: "Our offensive line is coming back intact. That's always good. We're losing one guy on offense -- and that's Kevin."
• Bell: "I'm glad Tatum's coming back. He's a 1,000-yard back in this league. He fits this (revamped) system. We're going to run it more. I really think Tatum is going to thrive in this offense. He'll be good."
• Bodden: "He's the only one in the league I've seen shut down (Cincinnati Bengals All-Pro wide receiver) Chad Johnson one-on-one. He played him well. And he did that as a rookie. He's a big, physical corner and he also covers well."


Does Kitna realize Woody left as well?

Good to know our new CB is the only guy that can shut down Ocho Cinco.

Especially good if we played them. :)

lol @ the O-Line.

Lions apparently interested in acquiring Pacman Jones.

Pacman in Detroit? Uh oh.

He's got good character, what could go wrong?

The big joke on the radio is how he'll end up in the City Council after hitting up all the strip clubs with Kwame.

And by hitting up, I mean hitting the strippers.

The big joke is the story. If you read it he says he'd love to play in Dallas or New England. He doesn't even mention Detroit, with good reason.

Well, Shaun Alexander is indeed rumored to be on the chopping block in Seattle...

Heard the infamous MOLA1 on 97.1 talking about the Pacman Jones idea this afternoon.

Heard the infamous MOLA1 on 97.1 talking about the Pacman Jones idea this afternoon.


Yeah me too, good stuff and I agree completely... The Lions flat out need players that can play...

I'd much rather have talented thugs than nice guy's that can't play...

Hell, I'm a nice guy that can't play....

And I'm a thug that can play.

I wouldn't want Pac-Man regardless if he can play. The media would have a field day on this team, and I'm already sick of turning on 97.1 each day and hearing Drew Sharp Lions talk...

Paying Pac Man is no difrent from a donation to the salvation army. Money goes no-where and nothing changes. You can pay next to nothing for him, but do you really think he will stay out of trouble? I just dont see him as the comeback player of the year.

"MAKING IT RAIN!"

Welcome, Naz.

Are you related to Nazr Mohammed?

Wait, I think I know who this is.

Big Sexy?

Hellya this is the Big Sexy. No longer have old email account and had to create a new one... Long time no see guys!

Welcome back, Big Sexy!

It's about fucking time.

Well the operation on my lack of brain worked.. After years of rehab, and a strong will i can now come back bigger and better than ever... "The had the parts to rebuild me!"

Seriously? Brain surgery? Yikes...

No... Not seriously.... Im just and freaking Idiot!!!!

I DID HAVE SHOULDER SERGERY, DOES THAT COUNT?

I know I'm kind of the grammar police around here and all, but I'll ask the vets, should I just let this go? Haha.

Damn, my first day back here and i just got in trouble... Just like the old days.. *Grins*

Naw Zek, let him have it. I've been hammering him for years about his Flint-Town edu-bacation.

HEY! im the smartest feller in my own mind!

Hey i can't spell, read, color or draw..... but i know my football and that completes me!

Hey i can't spell, read, color or draw..... but i know my football and that completes me!


Well put...well put...

Keith Rivers (USC LB) blog on his visit pre-draft visit to Detroit


As promised I am back in the Yard to fill you in on my trip to Detroit.

I flew into Detroit right after my New England visit. I got in Tuesday night and spent Wednesday at the Lions facility. I felt at home with all the Trojans there - I met with Joe Barry and Rod Marinelli and Shaun Cody, one of my former teammates. They gave me a tour of the facility and I ran into Buster Davis, who I played against in high school. He was a senior when I was a sophomore and they beat us 21-7 but we were debating who had the better game.

I got a chance to spend time with Matt Millen. He was very straight forward. He told me what to expect in my first year and how to make the transition from college to pro. It was some really good advice about eventually becoming the player who makes his teammates better. And he would know. He was a great linebacker.

Detroit really impressed me. The players enjoy being there. It was kind of like when I first came to USC to visit. Everyone was so upbeat and working hard. The Lions are going to turn the corner you could just feel it.

apparently the visit came with a side of cornbread

:cornbread:


It was so upbeat
Give it a month, Keith....

They turn the corner every year, unfortunately they turn the wrong way.

man, I'm just surprised he said that the players enjoy being here, it's got to be miserable being a Detroit Lion.

except for George Foster, he can't believe he got resigned

and yet we are paying Woody millions to not even play here.

Just remember that I called Shaun Alexander to the Lions months ago.

Please tell me it didn't happen!

I don't think we'll touch him. He doesn't have much left to offer IMO. Since we are a young team we'd be better off trusting a 2nd or 3rd round rookie. I think he'll spell a back somewhere else (like Barber in Dallas).

BTW, with Cincy turning down a 1st and a 1st-3rd rounder (depending on production) for Chad Johnson, can we get both of the Dallas firsts for Roy?

If they would do it, I would.
Harvey (DE), Mayo (MLB), Cherilus (OT) in the first
Rice (RB) in the second
Caldwell (or other WR) and Highsmith (or other OLB) in the 3rd

if you need to use any of the 4th-7th rounders to manuver up, do so.

I would too...

The only major "hole" would be at DT, but I think we could get by for a year and fill that next year.

That would be damn tempting. Johnson steps into Roy's role, let the other receivers keep doing what they did last year. Get some help on the O-Line. What FA receivers are still on the market that could be decent #2 guys? Or would we move one of our slot-types, like Furrey, into the #2 role?

I would think the 3rd rounder would be your #2 and Furrey in the slot where he belongs. You could always bring in a vet #2 for a year to let the 3rd rounder grow into the role. These would be the options:

Troy Brown
David Givens
Eddie Kennison
Keenan McCardell
Eric Moulds
Peerless Price

I'm not sure what any of these have left in the tank.

We'd probably just be fine with CJ, Furrey and McDonald until the rookie can contribute.

Furrey is a #3 McDonald is a #4 Guy (we shouldnt see many 4 WR sets this year). We could manage. I like picking up a vet for that spot, i would like to see Moulds here on a 1 year deal.

Dallas has a real chance to make that trade. We could really bulk up, trade one of those first round picks for a 2nd and 4th. This leaves us at 1 first, 2 second, 2 third, 2 fourth, 1 fifth, 1 sixth and 1 seventh.

Id like to Rivers LB USC in the first round
Pat Sims DT Auburn with the first of our 2nd RD PK
Rice with our Second 2nd RD PK
Tavares Gooden LB MIAMI first 3rd rd pk
Carl Nicks OT NEBRASKA Second 3rd PK
Mike McGlynn OG PITT With the First 4thRD PK

Thats as far as i can really see, but i think that deal could be done and Dallas needs that deal to be done.

Anyone find it ironic that the only position we're deep at is Wide Receiver, and really none of that is because of the WRs we've drafted?

Naz, I love where your head is at, but we're never going to get Rivers in the first round. He'll go long before its our pick. At best, we could reach for Mayo if we wanted a LB. I would really love to grab Rivers though.

I still like Harvey, Mayo, Cherilus, Rice, Caldwell (we may have to use a middle pick to move up for Harvey depending on how the draft progresses).

Yes we need a DT, but Hawaii 5-0 is going to do shit at DE.

Wait, are those going by round? How are you ranking those pickings?

Wait, are those going by round? How are you ranking those pickings?

Yes, those would be with the Roy for both Dallas firsts trade we've been talking about.

Harvey at 15 (use a 4th to move up a few spots if need be)
Mayo at 22
Cherilus at 28
Rice in the 2nd
Caldwell in the 3rd
TE or OLB in the 3rd

Ahh, ok. That makes more sense. I would be very happy with that trade if that's what it brought us!

2008 Lions notes!

Heres a note: They suck!

Remember, we haven't seen any Roy to Dallas rumors, but I'd make the call if I'm Millen. Especially with the Pacman trade. That show Dallas is serious about giving up picks to make a title run. Also, the WR crop is just average this year, with most projected as future #2 guys.

Brookes (DC): If you don't see Chad Johnson moving, do you see the Lions or Cardinals trading Roy or Anquan while the demand is high?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Jeremy Green: The one that I would see the most would be Roy Williams, because he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. But the Lions' draft history is awful. To potentially trade the best player they've ever had under Matt Millen sends the wrong message. I don't know how you can do that and expect the fans not to lose complete hope.

Raz : Are the Iggles going to make a deal for one of the big 3 WRs: Roy, Ocho, or Anquan?

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/sn2.gif Jeremy Green: They'd like to, but I don't think those teams will move those players. All of those teams have been talked to. If Cincinnati is not going to take that deal from the Redskins, I don't know what deal they would take. That would be two No. 1s for a guy who is 30. I think Roy Williams has the best chance to be moved.

Millen would be wise to take advantage of this if he wants Mayo. Arizona needs a LT, so if Clady or Williams is there and Millen doesn't want an OT he should swap 2nd or 3rd rounders and move up 10 spots in one of those rounds.


Chiefs looking to move up

It seems certain the Kansas City Chiefs (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=kan) will take Chris Long if he is available. ESPN's John Clayton is reporting that the Chiefs also are looking to trade up from No. 17, the pick they acquired in the Jared Allen deal. That would allow them to strike a deal with a team such as Buffalo (No. 11) or Chicago (No. 14). The Bills would like to trade down to get better value on WR Devin Thomas (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12247), and the Bears would drop and perhaps take one of the second-tier quarterbacks, such as Chad Henne (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12045), Brian Brohm or Joe Flacco (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11486). That would allow the Chiefs to fill their need at defensive end with the No. 5 pick, then get either Ryan Clady (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=12138) or Chris Williams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2008&id=11840) to address offensive tackle. Both are great fits for Kansas City because of their feet and mobility.

How many teams can say that they have a guy that strangles pregant women? (http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2008/04/former-buc-pear.html)

*sigh*

Yeah, I saw that. Nice "character."

Do I get points for suggesting the Lions should trade down with KC? What about for calling for Cherilus after picking up a later first? I also predicted Rice or Smith in the 3rd and a LB in the second (not Dizon though).

+2 points awarded

you now have a total of: 2 points

Wait who's Stewart?

Wait who's Stewart?

http://www.mtv.com/onair/beavisandbutthead/personality_images/relaunch_crops/281x211_stewart.jpg

Wait who's Stewart?

Damn, mis-typed. I meant Smith.

Not that I take a ton of stock in Killer, but anyway:


Kowalski on WDFN: Fluellen pick should make Cody nervous

by Jonathan Oosting | MLive.com Wednesday April 30, 2008, 6:44 PM

Shaun Cody, a second-round pick of the Lions in 2005, will have to fight for his job, according to Tom Kowalski who appeared Wednesday on WDFN's "The Stoney and Wojo Show."
"Chuck Darby and Corey Redding are going to be the starters inside," Kowalski said. "Listen, I think Cody's gone. Langston Moore gets the job and Cody doesn't. I think Shaun Cody's done."

Kowalski went on to discuss several of the Lions' picks.
On RB Kevin Smith: "A brilliant move. There were teams that were also talking to the Dolphins are wanted to talk to the Dolphins about Smith."

On OT Gosder Cherilus: "You combine Cherilus along with Michael Gaines, the tight end they got who's a terrific blocker, and all of a sudden you've got some muscle on that right side."
"They don't need to stir the pot right now and get Backus worried about losing his job, but trust me, if it turns out this guy should be on the left side, they'll move him."

On Fluellen: "Fluellen, he's not really in that difference maker position. He's not prototypical. He gets off the ball very well. He's got that motor."

On Dizon: "They think he can start in the middle from the beginning. Just watch this kid."
"I think people are going to see a lot of Spielman and a lot of Boyd in this guy. He's got very good instinct and he's going to make plays."

Dallas Morning News NFL columnist Rick Gosselin explained that he gave the Detroit Lions an A for their draft (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042808dnspogosselingrades.3945201.html) because the team "got value with every pick."
Gosselin gave three teams such high praise (Chicago and St. Louis were the others), while Kansas City took the top grade with an A+.
They got players, basically, where they were supposed to," he said. "They didn't reach for anyone. And I saw reaches, up and down the draft board, in every round, by other teams. I thought the Lions got quality at every pick.

Not that I take a ton of stock in Killer, but anyway:

Good to see that Killer's wife cooks up some amazing cornbread.

Well, I'm actually pretty happy with the draft, but perhaps that is because the bar has been set so low with Millen. It's probably just an average draft overall.

"Hey, I got an idear. We got this high pick hear so... so there's this wide receiver that used to be good but is fat now and hasn't played in a year. We already have quite a few receivers, but this guy... he used to be good. Let's take him."

BTW, Shaun Cody = DONE (another great pick)

We've got Redding and Darby starting. Now they have Fluellen. The last spot goes to Langston Moore or Cody. What has Cody done to keep that spot?

BTW, we gave up a 4th rounder to the Titans (Marion Barber was the next pick after that 4th rounder) to move up 4 spots to get Cody.

Old intereview with our first rounder, but interesting. Perhaps he would have been a higher rated OT if he had played LT his whole career.


Boston College's athletic website had a Q&A with Gosder Cherilus – the Detroit Lions' first-round pick – after his junior year. The big offensive tackle spoke about the Eagles switching to a zone blocking scheme, which the Lions will be running, between his junior and senior years. Second, he talked about why it's not as easy as some may think to switch from blocking on the right side to blocking on the left side.


BCEagles.com, April 26, 2007: (http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/042607aab.html) It's been noted that you moved from the right side of the line to the left side. Most people don't understand why there's any difference, especially for an experienced lineman like you. So, please explain the adjustments you've had to make and how hard it has been. I've been playing on the right side my whole life and I was asked to play on the left side. It's a great opportunity to help myself and help my teammates, especially. It's one of the biggest positions on the field because you have to block our quarterback's blindside because he's right-handed. It puts a little bit more pressure on you when you have a one-on-one block because you can't let anybody go by you. The quarterback is behind you and he has confidence that you'll do your part because he's going to do his part. It's a little tough because I've been doing things with my right hand and now I have to put my left hand down, do left kick steps, left everything. It's a little bit of a challenge, but once again we're talking about football and there isn't a thing you do in football that isn't going to challenge you. I plan on welcoming the challenge and doing the best that I can at it because I think at the end of the day it's just going to be for the best of the team.

ugh


Pinner signing scrambles Lions' RB situation
by Tom Kowalski | Analysis
Wednesday April 30, 2008, 6:58 PM

As a member of the Vikings, Artose Pinner's most memorable game was against his then-former and now-current team, the Lions.The signing of Artose Pinner by the Detroit Lions on Wednesday likely means that rookie third-round pick Kevin Smith is the only running back on the roster with a lock on a roster position. The Lions didn't bring in Pinner to carry the ball in preseason mop-up time. He's there to compete for a job and that means that Tatum Bell and Brian Calhoun are on shaky ground.

Other than that huge game against the Lions two years ago when he was with the Vikings, Pinner hasn't done much the last two seasons as a running back. Is he a better runner than Bell -- or even Calhoun? Probably not. But what Pinner gives you and the other two don't is special teams contributions. Backup running backs must deliver something on special teams and that's why it's extremely unlikely that both Bell and Calhoun will make Detroit's final roster.

wow, we are no longer just signing other team's retreads.

Yeah, we're now signing our own.

BTW, Shaun Cody = DONE (another great pick)

We've got Redding and Darby starting. Now they have Fluellen. The last spot goes to Langston Moore or Cody. What has Cody done to keep that spot?

Shaun Cody had his own TV show. Pretty sure that's what sets him over the top.

Hey, that kind of shit is important to Millen.

I actually liked the Lions draft. They got guys at positions of need. Three potential starters in the top 3 rds and a couple of depth guys. I did not feel the Cherilus was a reach because of the amount of tackle already taken and taken shortly after him. Now all we need is a left handed QB.

Now all we need is a left handed QB.
Haha. That would solve the Backus issue for sure.

I'm still available

Lions rookie Smith eager to battle with veterans
by Tom Kowalski
Monday May 19, 2008, 12:15 AM

Running back Kevin Smith is eager to line up against the veterans after impressing the coaching staff in rookie minicamp.ALLEN PARK -- When the Detroit Lions open their three-day mandatory minicamp Tuesday, it will be the first time their rookies will line up against the veterans. For third-round draft pick Kevin Smith, though, it's just another opportunity to learn.

Smith, the running back from Central Florida, already has impressed the coaching staff with his attention to detail, not just in running the ball, but in understanding the passing game and pass protections.

"I think it's really important to him and he just kind of consumes this stuff. He's a gym rat,'' Lions coach Rod Marinelli said. "He's there all day and he loves to play.

"When guys really love to play, details seem to come toward them. They want to know why and how to be really good. I'm excited about him coming in, he's really going to add to that mix (at running back).''

Smith, who doesn't lack confidence in his own ability, also realizes he needs to step up his level of play in the NFL.

"I need to work on details. In this league, every inch counts,'' Smith said. "If I need to take seven steps on a certain route, it can't be six steps or six and a half steps, it has to be precise. That's what I'm trying to focus on and not think about it too much. I want to get the concept of the play but let my natural ability kick in.''

Smith is coming from an offensive system that is almost identical to the one that coordinator Jim Colletto will use.

"I'm happy that I learned the system fast,'' Smith said of his work in the recent three-day rookie minicamp. "Every day I learned a play and now I'm advancing. Maybe one day, I'll know what the center and guard do on that play and the next day, I'll know what the center, guard and tackle do on that play. My game and my knowledge advanced every day so I'll give myself a pat on the back.''

A lot of rookie running backs struggle with pass protections and blitz recognitions when they first arrive in the NFL but early indications are that Smith is well prepared for that challenge.

"I did it,'' Smith said. "When I was in college, I averaged 80 plays a game. I'd run for three snaps and then pass protect for two snaps. That's what a lot of the coaches told me -- that I was one of the better pass protectors (at running back) coming out in the draft.

"If anybody watches film, they'll see me getting after Texas, N.C. State, everybody. I'm a pass protector. I played for (Central Florida head coach) George O'Leary and very early he instilled in me that if I wanted to make it to the next level, I'd have to pass protect.''

It took some time for Smith to understand the finer points of blocking blitzing linebackers.

"I started out as a freshman, getting run over and getting bulldozed by the bigger guys but when I got some size on me, I'm always feisty and always attacking. Now it's technique and getting the job done,'' he said. "When you're a freshman, you want to go out there and hit 'em, but now you're a lot smoother now.

"You let 'em come, you let 'em come and you shock absorb them. It's a one-on-one chess match.''

Because there won't be any padded drills in minicamp, the contact will be minimal. But Smith knows he'll have his hands full at training camp in July.

"I got a little tiger in me, I'm pretty feisty. I won't win every time, but I'll fight every time,'' Smith said. "I'm accountable for the quarterback and I don't want to be the guy who lets the quarterback get touched.''


I love rookie Lions quotes......they're always so optimistic, only to be beaten down by reality over the next few years

I think he's a good fit. I also think that our OL should be much improved. Unfortunately we still have a patchwork DL, marginal LB's (until Dizon can make an impact), marginal CB's and marginal safeties.

So, we'll be playing from behind a lot of the time and his carries will be cut.

He'll have a very inflated fantasy draft number. It will be a story to watch at drafts all over the state.

I think he's a good fit. I also think that our OL should be much improved. Unfortunately we still have a patchwork DL, marginal LB's (until Dizon can make an impact), marginal CB's and marginal safeties.

So, we'll be playing from behind a lot of the time and his carries will be cut.


I think our DB's will be vastly improved, look at last year, even though towards the end our DB's pretty much gave up the season, we still created a TON of takeaways with guys like Fernando Bryant and Keith Smith, now you put legitimate veterans like Brian Kelly, Kalvin Pearson, and Dwight Smith plus a Pro Bowl corner in Leigh Bodden and you get Daniel Bullocks back from his ACL injury, now our DB depth is pretty solid

Keith Smith, Stanley Wilson, Travis Fisher, Gerald Alexander, guys who had to start for us last year, are now strictly depth guys...

and no more of that tool Kenoy Kennedy getting burned all the time

True, but we still don't have a pass rush. Good CB's get eaten alive when the QB has all day.

True, but we still don't have a pass rush. Good CB's get eaten alive when the QB has all day.


True. I wish Cory Redding would go back to playing like he was underpaid, instead of overpaid...

one sack last year, when shaun was getting constantly doubled, he should've doubled his sacks from '06...

True, but we still don't have a pass rush. Good CB's get eaten alive when the QB has all day.

That is why we need Eddie Van Halen!

*Cherilus put on probation for bar brawl

*Dizon get's a DUI



Next up is Kevin Smith...

I love Marinelli's "character" approach.

Whoa. Didn't expect that--was hoping this "character" thing would actually work out a little bit...

By the way, the best part of the story is lost because a high profile athlete is involved.

When you read the story, you find out that one of the owners of the bar was every bit as involved in this as Gosder was. Side note - that owner also happens to be a freaking Sheriff. So, the cops were there and helping Cherilius? I'm assuming he was off-duty, but for people in the town where this happened, I imagine the Sheriff's involvement is probably a much bigger deal than the involvement of two NFL rookies-to-be.

Lions | Mariucci critical of Millen
Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:39:00 -0700
Kurt Mensching, of the Marquette Mining Journal, reports former Detroit Lions head coach Steve Mariucci recently ripped the team's general manager Matt Millen for how he has managed the team during his tenure. "Matt Millen has changed 58 coaches already, and he's now finally changing players," Mariucci said. "Sure I've stayed in touch with some of them and some of the coaches, and on occasion Bill Ford Jr. - I respect the heck out of Bill, he'll take that team over some day."

BTW...does anyone get the Marquette Mining Journal? Bukdow? I'm thinking it ranks with Harpers and the Smith.

Actually the MMJ is prolly a very good paper.

Per RotoWorld...


LaMont Jordan recently paid the Lions a visit, according to his agent.

Take it FWIW. LaMont Jordan is a piece of shit. Kevin Smith should see all the carries this season, IMO.

Per RotoWorld...



Take it FWIW. LaMont Jordan is a piece of shit. Kevin Smith should see all the carries this season, IMO.

I've had Lamont Jordan on my fantasy team 2 of the last 3 years and I can attest to that. I would rather have Lamont Sanford on my team.

http://www.austexwebsites.com/images/lamont_sanford.jpg

Okay, new thread "Famous LaMonts"

Jordan may not be the answer but we've got to sign somebody who can potentially carry the load. I hope this smith kid works out just like we all do but come on, what are the odds of that? They ran him into the ground in college. If we're really going to pound the ball like they claim, we need all the depth we can find.

But we've got PINNER!

Per the Free Press and the Detroit News, we're interested in Chris Simms. Thoughts?

for the right price, sure. I'm not investing a lot in him though. He didn't get it done in Tampa, but they haven't exaclty invested much in that offense either (outside Cadillac who's been hurt).

Well, he was starting to play well when he had that ruptured spleen in 2006 I thought. Then he had to miss last year. If they were willing to trade him to us for a 5th rounder, do you make that trade? Would you rather have him than Orlovsky?

I'd rather have him than Dan O, yes. Dan O has been amongst a pretty bad corps of QB's and hasn't earned PT. I'm not confident he ever will.

I wasn't very happy with the pick of him, IIRC. Granted, it was because I wanted us to grab the extremely mobile kid that played in the Arena League after getting the boot from college (McPherson?). I don't think he's done anything in the league but he had a lot more upside than Orlovsky. He wouldn't even be here if we had any semblance of a quarterback system.

In the very least, Simms could push Stanton for 'Quarterback of the future" for us.

Why would they trade for Simms when TB is going to have to cut him anyways?

Oh wait, Tampa Bay, nevermind.

If they cut him, there's no guarantee he comes here. I'd drop a 7th rounder to guarantee he comes here. Our 7th rounders never do anything worthwhile anyway. Hell, usually after the 4th round no one we draft even makes the team.

Do you want him here if he doesn't want to be here?

Very true.

On second thought, would the Lions really have any players if they lived by that rule of thumb?

Only the guys they overpay and the guys that didn't think they'd even get drafted. You know, the guys that don't care where they play as long as their wallets are fat and the guys that are just happy to be in the league.

Sounds exactly like what has been happening anyways.

Do you want him here if he doesn't want to be here?

All kidding aside, I'm not sure there is a better situation for him from a football standpoint. No viable long term options here. Two pro bowl caliber WR's. Worst case he plays backup for a year until Kitna leaves.

Where else does he go? Chicago to compete with Rex and Orton? Minny to compete with Jackson? Carolina to compete with Carr?

Aside from the name of the franchise there is a lot of opportunity here for a proven young QB.

The Lions are favored by 1 point in Vegas for Week 1 at Atlanta.

Get em' while they're hot

2008 Lions Preseason Individual Game Tickets On Sale NOW
Season tickets still available for 2008 season including five-game ticket packages
July 15, 2008

ALLEN PARK, Mich. – Individual game tickets for the 2008 Detroit Lions’ preseason games at Ford Field are now on sale.

Fans can buy preseason individual game tickets, ranging from $50-$320 for upper level, lower level and club level seating, in person at the Ford Field Ticket Office and TicketMaster outlets; online at Detroitlions.com and Ticketmaster.com or over the phone by calling TicketMaster at 248.645.6666

Head Coach Rod Marinelli and the Lions will open the 2008 preseason when Detroit hosts the New York Giants, who begin their defense of their Super Bowl XLII title, at Ford Field Thursday, August 7 at 7 p.m. The Lions will then host the Cleveland Browns Saturday, August 23 at 4 p.m. to close out their 2008 home preseason schedule.


hell of a deal!

also, camp starts the 23rd......warm up the ovens

I'm not really believing in now.

There is no Lions cornbread this year. My oven is remaining off.

Spikes a possibility; Simms, Jordan aren't
by Tom Kowalski
Monday July 21, 2008, 7:34 AM
There has been some speculation recently about the Lions adding some veteran players, but the team is really only considering one of the players. Linebacker Takeo Spikes, who was in for a visit, is a candidate to be signed because the Lions are unsettled at that position and Spikes was playing well for the Eagles last year before he got hurt.


The timing will be interesting. The Lions drafted Jordon Dizon in the second round to play middle linebacker and they need to give him an opportunity to show what he can do, but the Lions can't wait too long because Spikes might be off the market. It'll be interesting to see how the situation unfolds and how long the Lions are willing to wait.

Running back Lamont Jordan was also in for a visit, but the Lions, according to sources, aren't interested in signing him. There has also been a lot of discussion about the possibility of bringing in quarterback Chris Simms, but those rumors are -- according to sources -- baseless.

There is no Lions cornbread this year. My oven is remaining off.

Does this mean I won't be burning after I die?

2007 season recap
Squandered potential: The Lions started the season 6-2 and looked like they would fulfill QB Jon Kitna's wish for a 10-win season. The team only won one more game down the stretch and finished the season at 7-9.


Key camp questions

How will the offense adjust to Jim Colletto's new system?
Without Mike Martz's pass-happy philosophy, the Lions will have a smaller playbook and actually use a running game this season, which will take pressure off of Kitna, who has talented receivers but needs time to make good decisions.

Can the offensive line keep Kitna on his feet?
Kitna threw for more than 4,000 yards last season, but he was also taken down 51 times, more than any other QB in the league. Detroit drafted T Gosder Cherilus in the first round, and he should help shore up the right side. But with most of last year's core back, the new zone- blocking scheme should make more of a difference than personnel.

The defense can only get better, right?
The Lions finished as the worst defensive team in the league last year, and then they traded away one of their best players, DT Shaun Rogers. But they added a slew of help for the secondary, including veteran CBs Leigh Bodden and Brian Kelly. The secondary must improve if Marinelli's preferred Tampa-2 system is to be successful in Detroit.

Key position battle
RB Kevin Smith vs. RB Tatum Bell: Bell was mostly unproductive in 2007, running as a backup to Kevin Jones and T.J. Duckett. In the offseason Jones was released and Duckett went to Seattle. Bell is a solid runner in the open field, but he'll need to be pushed in camp by the rookie Smith, who can find holes quicker.

Rookie spotlight
LB Jordon Dizon: The second-round pick out of Colorado will make an impact immediately. Game sense, quickness and smarts make up for his lack of size.

Player on the spot
WR Calvin Johnson: Last year's first-rounder had a lingering back injury, but managed 48 receptions in the Lions' high-flying offense. Despite a renewed commitment to the run, the Lions still expect Johnson's improved health and chemistry with Kitna make him a dangerous threat to opponents' secondaries.

Fantasy focus
QB Jon Kitna: Kitna was seen as an attractive No. 1 fantasy quarterback heading into last season, but his proneness to turnovers and the departure of Mike Martz has deflated his value. The veteran should now be seen as little more than a fantasy reserve and worth a late-round selection.


don't ask me why

Lions not interested in Culpepper
by Tom Kowalski | Opinion
Monday July 21, 2008, 12:25 PM
There's been a lot of speculation that the Lions might be interested in Daunte Culpepper, but as of now, there's no interest in signing the free agent quarterback.

The Lions are going to go into camp with their current crop of quarterbacks and they're hoping that either Drew Stanton or Dan Orlovsky steps up to secure the No. 2 spot behind Jon Kitna. There's a difference between having the No. 2 job and actually being a solid backup NFL quarterback.


While the Lions don't have any interest in Culpepper right now, that might change in several weeks if Stanton and/or Orlovsky fail to look good in practice and the preseason games. The Lions obviously have a long-term goal of going with a younger quarterback, but they also have to make sure they've got a quality backup behind Kitna for this season.

If the Lions aren't happy with their backup situation, Culpepper could be an option, but there are likely to be several other veteran free agents available.

By the way, the fact that Culpepper himself contacted the Lions doesn't mean anything. Culpepper is representing himself so he's the one making the calls throughout the league instead of an agent.

The Lions hope to sign free agent linebacker Takeo Spikes before training camp. Players report tomorrow and begin practicing Thursday morning.


“I think there’s a chance if we can come to terms that we could get him before camp,” coach Rod Marinelli said today.

But Spikes apparently is also exploring other options.

“There’s an interest there on both sides,” president Matt Millen said. “I think he wants to still look at some things. We’ll be patient.”

Spikes, 31, is a two-time Pro Bowler who has played for Cincinnati, Buffalo and Philadelphia. He is coming off shoulder surgery. He visited the Lions recently, and Marinelli called him “a real pro.”

“Our whole defensive staff really enjoyed him,” Marinelli said.

Marinelli said Spikes could compete on the strong side and in some nickel situations.

“He gives you a wealth of experience,” Marinelli said. “He’s played at a tremendous level, and I think he’s still got a lot of rubber left on the tires.”

Spikes’ agent, Todd France, has not returned messages.

The Lions reached agreements on contracts with six of their unsigned draft choices on Tuesday, leaving offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus and linebacker Jordon Dizon as the only picks who have not signed or agreed to terms.

Agreeing to terms Tuesday were running back Kevin Smith of Central Florida (third round), defensive tackle Andre Fluellen of Florida State (third), wide receiver Kenny Moore of Wake Forest (fifth), fullback Jerome Felton of Furman (fifth), defensive tackle Landon Cohen of Ohio U. (seventh) and linebacker Caleb Cambell of Army (seventh).

All of the contracts are for three years. Financial terms were not revealed.

Cherilus agrees to five-year deal with Lions
by Tom Kowalski
Wednesday July 23, 2008, 9:49 PM

The Lions' first-round draft pick, Gosder Cherilus, is expected to be on the field for the team's first training camp practice.Gosder Cherilus, the first-round draft pick from Boston College, missed the first team meeting of training camp Wednesday night, but he didn't miss much else. Cherilus has agreed to terms on a five-year contract with the Detroit Lions and is expected to be on the field for the team's first training camp practice Thursday morning.

Cherilus will start camp as the No. 2 right tackle to veteran George Foster but is expected to be in competition for the starting job by the end of camp.

http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20080725&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=80725039&Ref=AR&Profile=1049&MaxW=550&MaxH=650&title=0

This is what failure looks like.

The fact that they have smiles on their faces with an extremely poor team? yeah I would say so...

Lions brought back Lehman after he was cut by the Bucs.

Lions brought back Lehman after he was cut by the Bucs.

16-0

Apparently he now has enough Buc experience to be a Marinelli man.

Yeah, Wtf? Do they even look at the names or do they just take anyone the bucs cut?

Did we cut him or just not resign him?

He was a FA that signed in Tampa for 1 year at 1.2 million. I would hope we are getting him back at a reduced rate. He's probably just in on a trail basis and would be cut if we got Spikes.

Lehman's release likely tied to money

Posted by Tom Kowalski | Opinion July 26, 2008 16:55PM

Teddy Lehman, who signed a free agent contract with the Lions on Saturday, said he doesn't know why he was released by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Wednesday -- before they held their first practice of training camp.
"I have no idea,'' said Lehman, who was signed by the Lions for depth at middle and strong side linebacker.
The biggest issue was probably money. Lehman, who signed with the Bucs as a free agent, was scheduled to make $200,000 if he made the roster and then had a salary of $1 million. If Lehman had suffered a signficant injury at any point in camp, he would've been paid the $1.2 million.
"If that's the case, why did they even sign me?'' Lehman said. "I wasn't even getting reps during (off-season practices).''

I'd rather see us take Spikes.

I'd rather see us take Spikes.

He hasn't played in Tampa yet. He's not properly 'vetted'

Are there any Tampa disciples in the Bills, Eagles, or Bengals defenses? Any coaches or players he could have "learned from"? I don't want another season of Paris Lenon in the middle of our defense.

Or any Colts players that played under Dungy. They would probably also draw an eye from Rod.

I also think Dizon will be starting at MLB in 4-5 weeks.

in 4-5 weeks from now or 4-5 weeks into the season?

into the season. I wouldn't be surprised to see that pushed up though (like it was with Simms). It really just depends on whether we have a decent option there. If Spikes is there I think it takes 4-5 weeks. If it's Lennon then Dizon might be the starter for game 1 or 2.

If Spikes is there, I don't see why he'd be in the starting lineup by week 4. I didn't think Spikes had declined that much that he's going to get bumped by a rookie 4 weeks in, unless Spikes gets moved to the Strong Side LB spot when Dizon comes in.

That's what I think. Spikes would eventually play strong side and fill the hole that Bailey never did.

Well, Sims is going in for an MRI now, so I'm sure we'll need Spikes soon too.

Sims, Lions get 'great report' from MRI

by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com Monday July 28, 2008, 4:43 PM


The Detroit Lions dodged a bullet as the MRI on weakside linebacker Ernie Sims' right knee came back negative.
"We got a great report," team trainer Dean Kleinschmidt told MLive Lions Insider Tom Kowalski.
Kleinschmidt said there is no structural damage to Sims' knee. It's just a bone bruise; the ligaments and cartiledge are fine. He said that Sims should be back at practice in a couple of days, or as soon as the soreness goes away.
Sims injured his knee during Sunday's morning practice (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/07/sims_shaken_up_leaves_practice.html) when he jumped up to deflect a pass, but landed awkwardly.

Yes! 16-0!

It's been years since the Lions have had a solid backup center, but it didn't really matter because starter Dominic Raiola has been such an iron man (he's got a streak of 96 straight starts). What happened on Tuesday, though, illustrates the trouble the Lions are going to have if Raiola ever gets nicked during the regular season.
Raiola missed the morning workout with a sprained ankle and Corey Hulsey and Carroll Madison took his reps.

"We had six snap fumbles,'' Lions head coach Rod Marinelli said. "We've got to learn that when somebody goes down, the next guy has to step up and go. There are no excuses. You have to execute one of the simplest things.''

Mike: With Barry stating that Lenon is the MLB, do you think they will start Dizon on the strong side to open the season? Or will he continue to back up Lenon? If he continues to back up Lenon, who is starting on the strong side?
Tom Kowalski: Dizon is strictly a middle linebacker at this point (and that won't change anytime soon). If Lenon stays in the middle, Alex Lewis will start on the strong side with Teddy Lehman backing him up. By the way, there's nothing new going on with Takeo Spikes. What I'm hearing is that the Lions are the only team offering him anything (the 49ers yanked their offer from the table). Spikes is just sitting out camp and probably waiting to see if any team gets hit by some injuries so a bidding war can begin. Waiting isn't going to hurt Spikes because he's not getting a ton of offers right now.

Wouldn't mind him ending up stuck with just the Lions offer, unless someone comes out of camp looking like a stud and securing that strong side spot.

LLTB

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/07/lions_sign_exbuc_wideout_biddl.html

I'm going to go ahead and assume he's just here to fill a spot in training camp.

You've got to be shitting me. When the Lions decide to start having a cheerleading squad maybe we can just sign up all the ones cut by Tampa.

hahaha. THis is past comical.

Answering e-mails: What are Buster's chances?
by Tom Kowalski
Tuesday July 29, 2008, 12:40 PM
John: Maybe I missed it, but what is going on with Buster Davis? Any chance he will make the team?

Tom Kowalski: Davis has been inconsistent, but he's turned in more good plays than bad ones. The coaches like his running and hitting ability, but his lack of versatility could ultimately hurt him. The Lions only see him as a middle backer and they're only going to carry two on the roster.

If Paris Lenon stays in the middle, then Jordon Dizon will be his backup and then the numbers game squeezes Davis out. If Dizon plays at a high level and Lenon shifts to the strong side, there's a greater chance of Davis finding a roster spot.


Mike: With Barry stating that Lenon is the MLB, do you think they will start Dizon on the strong side to open the season? Or will he continue to back up Lenon? If he continues to back up Lenon, who is starting on the strong side?

Tom Kowalski: Dizon is strictly a middle linebacker at this point (and that won't change anytime soon). If Lenon stays in the middle, Alex Lewis will start on the strong side with Teddy Lehman backing him up. By the way, there's nothing new going on with Takeo Spikes. What I'm hearing is that the Lions are the only team offering him anything (the 49ers yanked their offer from the table). Spikes is just sitting out camp and probably waiting to see if any team gets hit by some injuries so a bidding war can begin. Waiting isn't going to hurt Spikes because he's not getting a ton of offers right now.

George C.: What will our goal line Offense look like this year. Are we going to see Felton as our goalline back and are we going to finally see some fade routes to our big men?

Tom Kowalski: Actually, you'll see both. The Lions have Felton in the mix as a short yardage back and, based on what I've seen in training camp this season, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson will definitely be targets in the red zone. Now, a lot of that has to do with coverages but if teams give them any breathing room, the Lions are going to take their shots.

Tom: How is the battle for the FB position with Felton, Bradley and McHugh going? What about TE with Gaines, Campbell, Owens and Fitz?

Tom Kowalski: At this early point of camp, I'd say that Bradley will probably be the odd man out. He might be a better blocking fullback than McHugh, but McHugh has more value on special teams and could also move to tight end in a pinch. As far as tight end, it's a battle between Owens and FitzSimmons for the No. 3 spot and, right now, I think the edge has to go to FitzSimmons. Owens is a better blocker, but FitzSimmons is the only tight end they have who is a polished receiver.

Petosegan: It might be too early to tell, but how is the Special Teams unit shaping up? What used to be a 'game changer' for the Lions has really become a weakness that past couple of seasons.

Tom Kowalski: This is a really good question because of the upgrades the Lions tried to make in the off-season. However, until we see them going full speed in a preseason game, it's almost impossible to tell. There is one thing, though, that's kind of amazing. Going into his 17th NFL season, Jason Hanson is still kicking off -- and still booting them to the goal line with regularity.

SSovis: One big complaint about Shawn Rogers was he was out of the game alot. Why do they bring in Darby to replace him if Darby can only play 15-20 plays a game? I dont understand what you are gaining.

Tom Kowalski: The difference is that Darby's 20 plays will be everything he has while Rogers was capable of 50 plays, but only gave you 20. The Lions weren't going to go out and get a high-priced free agent because they believe Shaun Cody is capable of filling that role. So far, it appears they might be right. The Lions didn't sign Darby with the intention of playing him 40 plays a game.

David M.: I am wondering if you have any updates to the running back situation with the Lions, namely, T. Bell, K. Smith, B. Calhoun, A. Pinner, and the others.
With the hype about the Lions wanting to run the ball more this year, it would be nice to hear how these guys look, who is in the driver's seat (still Bell?), who is fighting for a job, how many RB/FB's the Lions will keep. And also, it would be nice to know if the Lions are practicing utilizing the backs out of the backfield, etc.

Tom Kowalski: This position is going to be one of the most interesting to watch because of the wide range of talent each guy has. At the top end is Kevin Smith, who should get the bulk of carries during the season. At the bottom end is Brian Calhoun, who will have trouble making the roster because he doesn't do enough on special teams.

That leaves Bell, Pinner and Cason battling for two spots. Bell is clearly the best runner, but he doesn't offer anything on special teams. Cason has return ability and Pinner can play special teams and also be a short yardage runner. This is a tough one to call.

Ryan: My question is about Leigh Bodden. Why isn't he with the 1st team defense? He is the best corner on the team and Fisher should be concentrating on his nickel duty shouldn't he? Also how is Stanley Wilson looking?

Tom Kowalski: That's just the way Marinelli does it. If a new guy comes in, whether he's a free agent or rookie, he's going to start on the second team. Brian Kelly is only with the first team becuase the starter last year (Fernando Bryant) is no longer with the team. All of those guys will eventually move up. As for Wilson, he's struggling. I think there's a significant gap between the top four corners (Bodden, Kelly, Fisher and Keith Smith) and everybody else. Right now, if I had to make a choice, I think Dovonte Edwards would be the No. 5 cornerback.

Derenzy: You recently said that Avril is looking good(makes me excited), and that he is practicing exclusively on the RDE spot. That's great info, but what confuses me is, i know that's the best pass rush spot for him, but that also means WHITE has to be on the bench......*scratches head*.....I'm confused, can you shed some light on this? I mean if he turns out to be a great pass rusher for only third downs, why take our BEST(white) pass rusher out of the game to put in avril? ... hope this makes sense.

Tom Kowalski: It makes sense. Defensive coordinator Joe Barry said the other day that if Avril is going to be active for the games, he has to play both sides and rush from both sides. They're just getting the kid comfortable now. The Lions roll their rotation pretty strongly so nobody is going to be on the field for all of the plays. But you're right -- White has to be on the field most of the time because he's their best pass rusher.

MoMasherLive: I have been writing in the forum that this team has the most depth of any Millen team from past years. Do you agree? I like our O-line and D-line depth plus our secondary depth. We also have great depth at WR.

Tom Kowalski: Overall, I'd probably agree with you. I really like the depth with the defensive line, secondary, running backs, tight ends and receivers. However, I think they're thin at linebacker (more starters than depth) and other potential problem areas are offensive line and quarterback.

SprBwlB4IDie: There has been much speculation as to Jerome Felton's potential role with the Lions. I read an interesting theory somewhere that possibly explains why we have heard nothing about Felton thus far on how he looks in camp. The author suggested that the Lions are deliberately limiting his reps to "hide him" so that they have a better shot at getting him signed to the practice squad without another team stealing their uncut diamond.

Do you think there is any truth to this or is he getting his reps, and just not doing anything noteworthy?

Tom Kowalski: First, it's almost impossible to hide anybody anymore because of the 80-man rosters (everybody has to play in the preseason). But it's not an issue with Felton. He's looked good, but he's just been under the radar. Not only do I think he's going to make the team, I think it's possible that he'll be the starting fullback. The kid is brilliant so learning the offense isn't an issue. One of the coaches told me today that their biggest concern was whether he'd be a hitter or not. Well, he's answered that question in spades. He needs more consistency, but he doesn't shy away from contact.

Michael: With Devale Ellis performing well in camp, do you think they keep 6 receivers? Keep Moore this season because they may lose both Williams and McDonald to free agency after the 2008 season?

Tom Kowalski: I don't see it. Right now, I think Ellis is going to be the No. 5 guy and I think they'll want to put Brandon Middleton on the practice squad for another year. That's going to be hard to do because Middleton is going to get some offers. As far as Moore is concerned, he's got to step it up. Right now, he's got almost no shot at the active roster and he's got to show something to be worthy of the practice squad. He's a good, solid player, but he doesn't have enough speed.


I'd say he does a slightly better job than LLTP.

Roy firing up the WR's, Ford saying he's tired of just wanting to win (LOL), CJ being a beast again (double LOL) and Roy drafting ball boys and girls...


'Fired-up' Roy Williams lights it up

by Tom Kowalski Friday August 01, 2008, 12:01 PM


Detroit Lions receiver Roy Williams was mad at somebody or something, but he wouldn't say what it was.
Early in a team blitz period, Williams was yelling and receivers coach Shawn Jefferson was yelling, but Williams said he wasn't yelling at Jefferson. "I just wanted the practice to go smoother,'' Williams said.
Early in the period, the defense was clobbering the offense but that all changed when the quarterbacks started throwing the ball to Williams, who caught everything in sight and couldn't be stopped.

"We just had the right plays at the right time - and I had a fire lit under my tail,'' Williams said, refusing to admit whether he was serious or not. "Really, I just wanted to get practice going.''
Maybe, but after that drill Jefferson brought a group of receivers to the sideline and they had a small huddle. The group included Williams, Calvin Johnson, Mike Furrey, Devale Ellis and Ron Bellamy and Jefferson had his arms linked with the receivers on each side of him. Jefferson was talking and was pretty animated about whatever he was saying. After they broke it up, peace appeared to be restored.
• Vice chairman Bill Ford Jr. addressed the team after the morning workout. Ford Jr. didn't want to go into detail about what he said, but he apparently delivered a message along these lines: The Lions built the finest stadium and it didn't help them win and the Lions built the best practice facility and it didn't help them win. The Lions have hired a good head coach who now has the players he wants and now the Lions are going to win.
"I'm through wanting to win, I expect to win,'' Ford Jr. told the players and coaches.
• Running back Tatum Bell was excused from Friday's workouts for personal reasons. In his absence, rookie third-round draft pick Kevin Smith took the reps with the starting offense. Running back Artose Pinner (neck) was held out of drills in the morning, but is expected to return soon.
• The Lions had their biggest crowd of the camp this morning -- more than 750 -- and Lions head coach Rod Marinelli made a quick adjustment prior to the start of practice. The Lions have two fields and they switch back and forth so they can keep both fields in good condition. Today's practice was scheduled for the field that is located the farthest away from the bleachers, but Marinelli had all the equipment moved to the other side and the team practiced on the field closest to the fans.
• Linebacker Ernie Sims (knee) and defensive tackle Langston Moore (shoulder) remain sidelined. Sims will not play in next week's preseason game against the New York Giants while Moore is doubtful. Cornerback Brian Kelly (knee) was held out of practice again and his status for the Giants game is unclear.
• Center Dominic Raiola routinely starts every morning practice by running full speed and diving into a tackling dummy. Today, though, guard Frank Davis beat him to the punch and crushed the tackling dummy so Raiola did the next best thing -- he knocked down Davis.
• Recently signed offensive linemen Andy McCollum and Nick Jones will play both center and guard. McCollum, a 14-year veteran, was the backup center today while Jones got most of his reps at guard.
• The best pass of the morning came on a long bomb from quarterback Jon Kitna to receiver Calvin Johnson. As soon as Kitna launched the ball, everyone who was watching knew how it was going to end. Johnson had raced past all the defenders and was wide open for the touchdown.
The second-best pass came during the goal line period when quarterback Dan Orlovsky hit tight end Casey FitzSimmons in the corner of the end zone on a timing route. Safety Greg Blue actually had good coverage and was all over FitzSimmons but the placement of the pass made it difficult for Blue to make a play on the ball.
During that goal line period, quarterback Drew Stanton made a couple of very good reads and completed passes for touchdown. But he has to make those decisions a little quicker because the pocket collapses very quickly in those circumstances.
• One other thing about Roy Williams. You already know that he takes a little boy or girl out of the stands during each practice to be his personal towel and waterboy. Today, Williams grabbed a pair of young girls out of the crowd and put them to work. Williams usually picks a child who is wearing his No. 11 jersey, but not all the time. Today, one girl had a No. 11 jersey and the other didn't.
When Williams picks a child who doesn't have his jersey, after practice he takes them over the small souvenir stand and buys them a No. 11 jersey.

Teddy Lehman pulled a hamstring and was placed on IR, yet they're saying he could come back to the team later in the season? How does that work?


It was mentioned a few days ago that Buster Davis might ultimately be moving from middle linebacker to strong side linebacker and the timetable of that might get moved up. Teddy Lehman, who was a backup to Alex Lewis on the strong side, was placed on the injured reserve/minor list.

The stipulation is that Lehman, who has a hamstring pull, could potentially return to the Lions or another NFL club at some point later in the regular season. To replace Lehman on the roster, the Lions signed free agent linebacker Darnell Bing.

I thought Bing was a safety in college.

I know a really short Asian guy named Bing.

Lehman, hurt? Nooooooooooo....

Sims back at practice but still not playing in Thursday's game.

Mulitalo off the PUP-list. Campbell, McDonald, and Bullocks should all be off by next Monday.

Buster Davis out with a concussion. Redding out with a groin injury. Langston Moore out with a shoulder injury.

Brian Kelly and Manny Ramirez are both back from injury.

Kalvin Pearson had his felony charges dropped.

They have a ManRam?

No, he just got traded to the Dodgers

Everybody's tearing Wil apart today and he's not even here to defend himself!

Anybody know how Lehman is doing this year? Did you know the Lions got him back from the Bucs?

Its ok, he won't read through the threads to find out about it.
Just kidding Wil, its just a fun schtick

I'm not quite sure what it is, but there's something just wrong about this:


One other thing about Roy Williams. You already know that he takes a little boy or girl out of the stands during each practice to be his personal towel and waterboy. Today, Williams grabbed a pair of young girls out of the crowd and put them to work. Williams usually picks a child who is wearing his No. 11 jersey, but not all the time. Today, one girl had a No. 11 jersey and the other didn't.

Lions could miss out on Spikes

by Tom Kowalski Sunday August 10, 2008, 6:20 PM


According to Detroit Lions president Matt Millen, the team has put its best offer on the table and now they're just waiting to hear back from free agent linebacker Takeo Spikes. Head coach Rod Marinelli has said repeatedly that he would like to get Spikes in camp and put him at strong side linebacker.
Spikes, though, is reportedly on his way to San Francisco to take a physical. The 49ers offered Spikes a one-year, $1.5 million contract last month but he turned it down. It isn't known if the 49ers have increased their offer and that's why Spikes is taking a physical.
The Lions, who have been in contact with Spikes in the last two days, are just waiting for Spikes to determine where he wants to play.

The Lions DID miss out on Spikes

Marinelli angry Lions lost out on Spikes
by Tom Kowalski | Opinion
Monday August 11, 2008, 3:56 PM
Detroit Lions head coach Rod Marinelli has been in a foul mood for the last two days because the Lions failed to land free agent linebacker Takeo Spikes, who signed with the San Francisco 49ers.

The Lions, who also failed to sign free agent Jonathan Vilma -- a high priority target -- are a bit handcuffed because of the salary cap. The 49ers originally offered Spikes $1.5 million and might have increased that offer. The Lions only have between $3 million to $4 million under the cap and need to save most of that money for signings during the season in case of injury.


Signing Spikes would've solidified Detroit's linebacking corps. Spikes would've started at strong side linebacker and allowed Paris Lenon and rookie Jordon Dizon to stay in the middle. Lenon would've remained the starter until Dizon was comfortable with the complicated defense. Dizon might've been ready in two weeks or two months but, with Spikes on the roster, it wouldn't have been a big issue.

Now that Spikes isn't around, the Lions will likely be forced to move either Lenon or Dizon to the strong side. The Lions don't want to move Lenon until Dizon is ready for the middle and they don't want to move Dizon because it'll take away from his preparation of eventually taking over in the middle.

^ Sign the guy now and worry about an injury signing IF it happens.

Millen's probably confused about what having money available for injuries means, thus he signed Teddy Lehman again. You know, for injuries.


(Having trouble making that one work....oh well....)

Roy Williams
I would have climbed over the fence and climbed up in the stands, if I had a problem. I didn’t have a problem with the dude.
Roy Artest?

Running back situation beyond Smith:

Cason
He's clearly the leader in the clubhouse in terms of special teams because of his return ability. Already one of the team's kickoff returners, he's also in a competition to become the team's main punt returner.

Cason also has proven to be solid in covering kicks. As a running back, he has good speed, understands the offense very well, picks up blitzes and catches the ball out of the backfield. He was used often as a third-down back last season.

Bell
The best pure runner of the four, Bell has a shot to win the starting job and, if he does, he won't be used on special teams. If he doesn't start, though he'll have to contribute something. Last year, because he wasn't in the plans on special teams, Bell was inactive or didn't play in the last 11 games.

Bell isn't a return specialist, but he can help out on the return teams, either as a frontline player on punt returns or as a halfback on kickoff returns. When Bell was a rookie with the Denver Broncos, he also did a good job of covering kicks, too.

Pinner
With his speed and toughness, Pinner could be the best special teams player of the four, but he's still making too many assignment mistakes. Pinner can be used almost anywhere on special teams but he must address his inconsistency.

As a runner, Pinner is best when he's used in short yardage and goal line situations because he's built low to the ground and can keep the pile moving. The problem for Pinner is that the Lions just drafted another runner like that -- fifth-round pick Jerome Felton.

Calhoun
He's the wild card. A decent runner with speed who can be used as a third-down back, Calhoun really has improved his work on special teams. On kickoff returns, he can be used either as the halfback or as the returner and he can also cover kickoffs. Against the New York Giants in the first preseason game, Calhoun made a couple of nice reads in running down kickoffs.

Calhoun has been used as a frontline end -- not a returner -- on punt returns and has improved over last year. If he continues that progress over the final three preseason games, he could be tough to beat out.


Who do you want to see us keep? Assuming our 5th reciever ends up being our return man, I'd like to see us keep Bell and Calhoun. If Smith wasn't an unproven rookie I'd probably go with Cason and Calhoun but Bell's been in a similar system before and is great insurance platooning with the young guy.

Killer said it is possible we roll with 4 WR's and Cason as the return man (rather than the 5th WR). If that is the case we'll have WR's (like Ellis) on the practice squad and would only be short handed if an injury happened during the game and we needed a 4 WR set. In that case you could put Fitzsimmons or a RB in the slot.

It seems like Pinner and Cason have been around this stink for a decade now. They're losers that have played for losers. They're also a dime a dozen.

Move 'em out, need some fresh blood.

If Cason ends up as our return man, then Calhoun is pretty much out the door I'd assume. They're not getting rid of Bell unless he keeps having 7 rushes for 8 yards a game like the first preseason game, and even then he'd have to be outperformed by Smith with Smith playing against the first team defense for it to happen. I wouldn't mind seeing Bell gone, and Cason and Calhoun staying, but I just don't see it happening.

If it were up to me, I'd cut Bell. I think Pinner can replicate his numbers (and offers a different look as a change of pace). Calhoun can still develop into a 3rd down back I think. This is all assuming Smith ends up at #1 by the time we makes these cuts (or definitely looks like he will get it soon). Bell has had one good year in this league behind a great OL in Denver. That's it. he doesn't block, he doesn't catch and he doesn't play special teams.

If it were up to me, I'd cut Bell. I think Pinner can replicate his numbers (and offers a different look as a change of pace). Calhoun can still develop into a 3rd down back I think. This is all assuming Smith ends up at #1 by the time we makes these cuts (or definitely looks like he will get it soon). Bell has had one good year in this league behind a great OL in Denver. That's it. he doesn't block, he doesn't catch and he doesn't play special teams.


Ditto. Tatum Bell is useless. He'll only be taking carries away from Kevin Smith...If it we're up to me, Kevin would be starting Week 1, with Calhoun backing him up and Cason 3rd.

Aveion Cason actually did quite well in a couple games last year. I believe it was on Thanksgiving he caught a few balls out of the backfield and had a nice kick return. I'd rather have him make the roster since he can be used in several spots rather than waste one on Brandon Middleton. Not to mention, you know we're going to have an excess amount of defensive linemen on the roster, so any offensive player that is versatile should be a bonus.

Spot on with what you said about Bell. He also fumbles alot.

Cason can do punt and kick coverage, he does punt and kick returns, and he's a solid 3rd down back. Calhoun is also a solid 3rd down back with some potential to be more, and I haven't actually seen him do anything on special teams but they said he can cover on kickoffs and he can be the up-back on returns, which means we'd have both return spots filled with our 2 backup running backs. At this point, if Kevin Smith proves to be better than Bell, we might as well go with Smith and see if we can trade Bell to someone for a pick (if we're going to cut him, we may as well grab a 6th rounder for him).

I'd rather Smith be ineffective on his carries than Tatum be ineffective on his. Let Kevin go through his growing pains instead of having Tatum just waste payroll...

I'm guessing Bell is not going anywhere

Bell still blisters over his Martz experience.

"I am very happy that Mike Martz is gone," Bell said. "I went from being a starter to the scout team and he did not tell me a thing about why. I dealt with a lot with that guy. I wasn't coming back here. I had some interest from Dallas, Tampa Bay, Tennessee and Houston. But the coaches, especially Jim Colletto, called and told me to come back. That I belong here. And things were changing in the running game, our commitment to it and the way we do it. We use the zone blocking scheme now, and that's my game. This can be a big year for all of us in this new offense."

Cornbread (http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story;jsessionid=A3D5727DA671C53F2D003469542825B6? id=09000d5d809fda38&template=with-video&confirm=true)

Marinelli continues to mold Lions in his image

http://blog.mlive.com/saginaw_sports_extra/MLlionscoach1_sa.jpg

http://blog.farnboroughsucks.co.uk/img/dog-doo.jpg

Yeah, I can see that.

Well, Bell did have that blocking scheme in Denver so he has an advantage there.

Damn Rod, dental work is not that expensive when you consider how much an NFL coach makes.

Calvin Johnson shines in Lions' preseason win
by Tom Kowalski
Monday August 18, 2008, 1:00 AM
CINCINNATI -- If receiver Calvin Johnson stays healthy, the Detroit Lions might not have to worry about their running game.

In the first two drives of the game Sunday, Johnson caught three passes for 76 yards, including a 27-yard touchdown pass in Detroit's 27-10 preseason victory over the Cincinnati Bengals at Paul Brown Stadium. The Lions now are 2-0 in the preseason while the Bengals fell to 0-1.

Johnson used his size (6-foot-5 and 240 pounds) and speed (4.35 in the 40) to beat the Cincinnati defenders.

"He's a freak of nature,'' said Lions quarterback Jon Kitna, who hit Johnson will all three of his passing attempts in just two series of play.

For the second straight week, Kitna finished with a perfect passer efficiency rating of 158.3.

"We've got to play a whole game (in the regular season), unfortunately.''
Even third-string quarterback Drew Stanton got into the passing act. Stanton, one play after scrambling for 10 yards on 3rd-and-8, lofted a 50-yard bomb to Brandon Middleton to extend Detroit's lead to 20-10 with 6:10 left in the fourth quarter.

Stanton added a 10-yard touchdown run on a naked bootleg with 1:53 remaining to seal the win.

"The guy's an athlete and he threw some nice shots in there,'' Lions coach Rod Marinelli. "He's getting better throwing the ball and he's special athletically.''

For all the passing fireworks, Marinelli still wants the Lions to do a better job of running the ball. Rookie third-round pick Kevin Smith got the start and had 19 yards on four carries, including a 16-yarder. Overall, the Lions' backs rushed 29 times for 92 yards.

"Those are going to be there,'' Marinelli said of the long passing plays. "We've got to stay physical and keep running the ball. We've got to keep hammering it in there. If we can do that, it's going to open up those coverages and we'll get some single coverages. We've got a veteran quarterback and a great receiving corps, but if we don't run the ball and keep attempting it and being physical, it won't matter.''

On the first play of the game, Kitna launched a bomb up the left sideline to Johnson for a 40-yard gain. That drive eventually stalled when Roy Williams, on a first-down catch, was called for offensive pass interference for pushing off.

Cornerback Brian Kelly got the ball right back for the Lions, stealing it away from Bengals receiver Chad Johnson and returning the interception 11 yards to the Cincinnati 36-yard line. Johnson suffered a left shoulder injury on the play and didn't return.

Kitna's first pass of the drive was a slant to Johnson, who plucked the low throw just inches off the ground and fell forward for a 9-yard gain. On the next play, Johnson ran through man-to-man coverage was slapped in the head by cornerback Johnathan Joseph.

Continuing undaunted on his flag route, Johnson caught a 27-yard touchdown pass in the corner of the end zone. The illegal contact penalty on Joseph was declined.

"It was man coverage and Jon put it in the perfect spot to go get it,'' Johnson said. "We had a little contact, but hey.''

"They really had a great coverage for what we wanted to run and I was just getting ready to come off Calvin, but he ran a great route,'' Kitna said. "He used his size and got physical with the kid and just threw him out of the way and he was wide open. When I threw the ball, I thought it was a little wide but he made it look pretty easy.''

Kitna left the game after two series after getting kicked in the calf, but Marinelli said that had been the plan all along. Dan Orlovsky came in and played the second and third quarters, going 11-for-22 for 137 yards.

Stanton played most of the fourth quarter and completed both of his passes for 58 yards and, like Kitna, also had a perfect rating of 158.3. All three Detroit quarterbacks completed passes of at least 40 yards in the game.


:cornbread::miracle:

Kitna and Stanton with perfect QB ratings. We have two pro bowl QB's on this team! Quarterback controversy!

Damn Rod, dental work is not that expensive when you consider how much an NFL coach makes.
Tell that to Michael Strahan.


And Kitna didn't just have a perfect rating in that game, he's perfect through the entire preseason. He'll probably keep this going through the whole season, then we'll win the Super Bowl riding on the coattails of Jon Kitna
and God, because they're so tight and all

A writer from Foxsports.com, Mike Greenspire , picked the Lions to share the NFC North title with the Vikings. He said both teams would finish 10-6.

He needs his head examined. Only way we go 10-6 is if our OL takes some sort of dramatic step forward in this zone blocking scheme right away.

Tell that to Michael Strahan.


And Kitna didn't just have a perfect rating in that game, he's perfect through the entire preseason. He'll probably keep this going through the whole season, then we'll win the Super Bowl riding on the coattails of Jon Kitna
and God, because they're so tight and all

No, see, the gap is acceptable, even admirable in some circles. At his point, it's even trademark.

The mangled snaggletooth is just some horrible crap. Go back and take a look. It's a trainwreck. (insert trademark symbol)

GAPPER GAPPER GAPPER

Could Strahan shoot a lazuh through the gap?

Is it fully charged?

in made of glass news...

Stanton injures thumb, expects to play
by Tom Kowalski
Thursday August 21, 2008, 2:16 PM
Detroit Lions quarterback Drew Stanton hit his right thumb on a helmet during Thursday's practice and had his thumb wrapped in ice after the workout. Stanton said X-rays had already been taken and it wasn't believed to be broken. Stanton was to undergo more tests and the team is expected to update his condition in a few hours.

"I don't think it's anything major. I'm just trying to keep the swelling down,'' Stanton said. When asked if he's expecting to play in Saturday's preseason game against the Cleveland Browns, he said, "I'm planning on it.''

Working as the No. 3 quarterback, Stanton has looked sharp in his first two preseason appearances.




in just kick the ball news.....

Hanson close to returning
Posted by Philip Zaroo | MLive August 21, 2008 13:19PM
Categories: Local Media
It wasn't just a little tweak that sidelined Jason Hanson. According to The Oakland Press' Dave Birkett, the injury concerned the Detroit Lions kicker, but he's confident that he'll be back on the field soon.

Birk's Eye View, August 21: "It wasn't just an oh-that's-sore, it definitely pulled and I was like, 'Oh no,'" Hanson said. "But I've been getting good care and taking care of it so that's what'll happen. I kicked some field goals and that's a good step, but I need to make sure."

and in bitter and not gifted news.....

Bell: 'I am glad Martz is gone and you can tell him I said it, too'
Posted by Philip Zaroo | MLive August 21, 2008 05:50AM
Categories: Local Media, Top Sports
With a less-than-stellar preseason and the growing notion that he won't be the starting running back, many have wondered whether Tatum Bell will lose in the team as he did last year. Bell answers that with conviction. And it has to do with the absence of a certain someone who was the offensive coordinator last season.

The Detroit News, August 20: "I am glad (Mike) Martz is gone and you can tell him I said it, too," Bell said. "I think he played me. He was not honest with me as a man or as a coach and my position coach (Wilbert Montgomery) didn't have anything to say either. Nobody was telling me stuff."
...
"I was so happy to get out of here after the last game," Bell said. "Playing for Martz last year I hated it. You don't understand how hurt I was sitting on the sidelines and not getting that many carries. I mean, I started the season with like 15 carries and then I got like five carries (actually nine) against Minnesota. I know they are a good run-stop team, but that shows you we're scared of them. That ticked me off. How many starting running backs do you know get five carries in a game?"


More than anything else, Bell is happy to be a Detroit Lion because he feels like he's got a shot to be the starter, because of Martz's departure, but also because the Lions have reaffirmed their committment to the run.

"There will be an opportunity for us there," he said. "I know we are actually going to run the ball this year. We are going to have plenty of chances. We know it's hard to run the ball in the first quarter anyway. But by the second or third quarter when our guys start wearing them down, we can start popping some big ones."
With game opportunities, Bell thinks he'll eventually be the main contributor to the ground attack. Especially because of his knowledge of the running system which comes from his experience playing for the Denver Broncos.

The Oakland Press, August 20: "I just feel like I got to stay consistent in practice and I feel like practice will be the ultimate factor," Bell said as he sat in front of his locker Tuesday. "I know games, you got to play in the game, but grind it out, pop a big run and be consistent in practice and keep taking care of the ball and no (missed assignments) and I think I should be the starter. That's how I feel." ... "It fits me perfect," Bell said. "I'm happy to be back and like I told you before, going out competing like I've been doing my whole career." ... "I don't think nothing's predetermined," Bell said. "I think whoever the starter ends up being, he'll work for it and I'm going to give my props. Ain't going to be nobody throwing nobody under the bus over here on my side."

NFW - Stanton injured? I was thinking he was going to break Farve's record of consecutive games played!

They better have a WadeMobile handy for Stanton.

Stanton should get the 2nd and 3rd quarters this week, if healthy. Then again, I dont think Marinelli listens to me much.

I think Kitna's going to go at least the first half, wouldn't you think? I always thought the 3rd preseason game was when they play the starters the longest, and then pretty much let 'em sit out the 4th preseason game.

I just hope they give Kevin Smith more carries, say 15 or so, just so we can have at least a decent sample to see how productive or unproductive he's really going to be...

I heard Smith picked as rookie of the year by someone somewhere. <--- on TV, not in the bar.

I heard somebody pick Dizon for Defensive POY, and the reason was that if he started at MLB, he'd rake in tackles, kind of like how DeMeco Ryans won Def ROY a couple years ago...

I don't think Dizon's going to start though...

It didn't look like he would be starting anytime soon after that ass-chewin he got during last weeks 2nd half.

I heard the Lions still suck.

I heard the Lions still suck.248 posts on this POS team... how about WOW.

Some peeps just don't believe in NOW!