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Ginobili Wins 2007-08 Sixth Man of the Year Award Presented by Kia Motors

Posted Apr 21 2008 12:26PM

NEW YORK, April 21, 2008 – Manu Ginobili of the San Antonio Spurs is the winner of the NBA Sixth Man Award presented by Kia Motors as the league’s best player in a reserve role for the 2007-08 season, the NBA announced today.

Ginobili received 615 out of a possible 620 points, including 123 of a possible 124 first-place votes, from a panel of 124 sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Leandro Barbosa of the Phoenix Suns finished second with 283 points and Jason Terry of the Dallas Mavericks finished third with 44 points.

In order to be eligible for this award, players had to have come off the bench in more games than they started. Players were awarded five points for each first-place vote, three points for each second-place vote and one point for each third-place vote.

As part of its support of the Most Valuable Player Award, Kia Motors will donate a brand-new 2009 Kia Borrego seven-passenger SUV on behalf of Ginobili to Roy Maas’ Youth Alternatives of San Antonio which is committed to caring for children in crisis. Each winner of the four year-end awards presented by Kia Motors will receive a Borrego on behalf of the player’s charity of choice.

A sixth man in 51-of-74 games played this season, Ginobili led the Spurs in scoring with a career-high average of 19.5 points to go along with 4.8 rebounds, 4.5 assists and 1.47 steals. He increased his scoring nearly 6.0 points over his career average entering this season (13.7 ppg). He is also the only player in the NBA to average at least 17 points in under 32.0 minutes per game.

Ginobili is the only player in the NBA ranked in the top 31 for points per game (31st), steals (16th), assists (28th), three-point field goals made (156, 16th), three-point field goal percentage (.401, 28th), free throws made (380, 16th) and free throw percentage (.860, 16th).

The 2007-08 NBA Sixth Man Award presented by Kia Motors is part of a series of on-court performance awards called “The NBA Performance Awards Presented by Kia Motors.” The awards, which are part of a multi-year marketing partnership that makes Kia Motors America the official automotive partner of the NBA, also include the Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year, and Most Improved Player Award. The series also includes the Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month presented by Kia Motors. For more information on the “The NBA Performance Awards Presented by Kia Motors” visit www.NBA.com/performanceawards

2007-08 NBA SIXTH MAN AWARD PRESENTED BY KIA MOTORS VOTING

Player, Team 1st 2nd 3rd Pts
Manu Ginobili, San Antonio 123 -- -- 615
Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix 1 84 26 283
Jason Terry, Dallas -- 9 17 44
Kyle Korver, Utah -- 7 13 34
Ben Gordon, Chicago -- 6 9 27
J.R. Smith, Denver -- 4 10 22
Josh Childress, Atlanta -- 5 8 23
James Posey, Boston -- 3 10 19
Jason Maxiell, Detroit -- 1 8 11
Travis Outlaw, Portland -- -- 11 11
Linas Kleiza, Denver -- 1 2 5
Jordan Farmar, L.A. Lakers -- 1 2 5
Jerry Stackhouse, Dallas -- -- 4 4
Rashad McCants, Minnesota -- 1 -- 3
Louis Williams, Philadelphia -- 1 -- 3
Jarrett Jack, Portland -- 1 -- 3
David Lee, New York -- -- 3 3
Andres Nocioni, Chicago -- -- 1 1

There needs to be an adjustment to the rules on that award. If you play more than whoever is starting ahead of you, than you should not be eligible. You're hardly a reserve at that point. Or some sort of cap on minutes. I agree he deserves it based on the rules, but come on.

I wonder who gave Max the 1st place vote. 9th place, not so bad. Keep working hard and he could get top 5 next year.

I wonder who gave Max the 1st place vote. 9th place, not so bad. Keep working hard and he could get top 5 next year.

Sorry for the poor formatting, but I think that is a 2nd place vote and 8 thirds, totaling 11 points

Cleveland should start every game with LeBron on the bench. Then they can call a timeout as soon as Ben wins the tip. That way LeBron can come in and win MVP and 6th Man all in the same year. LeBron deserves all awards - he's only 23.

Interesting that one writer gave his 1st place vote to Barbosa.

A protest of the rules, I assume.

If you take away the people playing more than the starters you have basically these players to consider:

Korver
Smith
Posey
Max
Outlaw

Give it to JR Smith out of those 5.

7 points less than Ginobili and in 12 less minutes.

Anybody except Korver really, that dude reminds me of Zekyl.

Interesting that one writer gave his 1st place vote to Barbosa.

A protest of the rules, I assume.

If he did he's stupid. Barbosa plays about the same number of minutes. He should have voted for someone that doesn't play 30 MPG.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0419/nba_g_ginobili_barry_412.jpg


I would like to thank the writers, the fans, David Stern, my teammates and most especially Brent Barry. This just proves that, as in my country, flopping is an art form and should be rewarded. I love you all and will flop for you, much like a fish on the sandy beach would, all the way to another championship!

[/obsession with the Spurs]

Hope the formatting isn't all jacked up:



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Jason Maxiell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2775) 82 7 21.5 7.9 2.2 3.1 5.3 0.6 0.26 1.15 0.9 0.65
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GIVE THE AWARD BASED PURELY ON PERS

I think starting less than 10 games and playing less than 30 mpg should be the requirements.

Well, Flip started 17 games for Indy, so we can't give it to him...damn.

At least Flip Murray got some nachos at the Palace yesterday and HE DIDN'T LOSE

I think starting less than 10 games and playing less than 30 mpg should be the requirements.

I'm not sure you can do the start part. What if a guy gets injured or you simply rest the starters down the stretch because you wrapped up a seeding (ie Afflalo starting)? That could easily go over 10 games even though you are a bench player all year. Maybe a larger number would work I guess.

At least Flip Murray got some nachos at the Palace yesterday and HE DIDN'T LOSE

He got some nachos at the Palace yesterday and wasn't Kstat, so he actually does lose.

But I'm sure the posters who have been here for a while don't agree with me. :rolleyes:

But I'm sure the posters who have been here for a while don't agree with me. :rolleyes:

:emo kid:

LeBron deserves all awards - he's only 23.
Not when he wins these awards next year.

i thought they should have stopped giving this award after the year big nasty won it. it really is a stupid award. im w/ gundy, why not give it to the 2nd best player on the team, or the 10th?

Mike/Mike (ESPN Radio) were talking about flopping a lot this morning. They were suggesting that the refs call a technical foul on floppers.

Interesting idea, but it could be just another way for NBA refs to fuck up the outcome of a close game.

That type of rule has been somewhat effective in hockey. I don't know if I'd go with a tech though.

I love the term technical foul btw. It's like the ref is acknowledging that the player didn't really do anything wrong but technically that behavior is against the rules.

Do they do that in soccer?

I know those fools flop all over the place.

I'm sure everyone has seen those clips where the stretcher comes out and carries a guy away and 5 minutes later he's back out there running and flopping around again.

Once you are subbed for in soccer you are out for the game, I believe.

Hmm, perhaps I have misremembered.

No you can sub back in (I'm pretty sure). That's why they do it. If they weren't allowed to come back in, there would be a lot less flopping.

All the Euros/South Americans flop a lot because of their soccer upbringing, but people like Dwyane Wade don't have an excuse.

I found this (http://www.slate.com/id/2144625/) interesting.

RickRoll!

Nah it wasn't, but I expected it to be.

Gotta plant those seeds.

Law 3 - The Number of Players speaks of eleven players one of whom is the goalkeeper and from three to seven substitutes depending on competition rules. We know the size of a squad or team is more than the fourteen to eighteen mentioned so some team members are not going to be included in the match. Prior to a match that is played in accordance with the Laws of the Game, in other words with a limited number (http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Search/Law/Number%20of%20Players/) of substitutes, a list of the players in the match is given to the referee (http://asktheref.com/Soccer%20Rules/Search/Law/The%20Referee/) before the match. At the same time he is given a list of team members nominated as substitutes on that match. Those are the named substitutes for the match. If a player is replaced by a substitute the former player becomes a substituted player and is finished for the day but he is permitted to occupy the substitute's bench in the technical area.

In American youth soccer they use unlimited subs so you can go in and come out all you want, but that's not the case for the real stuff.

It appears you are correct, Fool, but from the limited soccer I have watched, I swear I've seen people come back and play after having a "near death experience."

Perhaps different soccer leagues have different rules?

The quote mentions differing rule (3 or 7 subs). The Fifa rules are the one's that matter.

NBA must end rash of flopping

April 22, 2008

SAN ANTONIO- If Jose Canseco is the godfather of steroids, then Vlade Divac is the godfather of flopping. Or maybe it was that dastardly Bill Laimbeer.

Whatever, this hideous tactic must be stopped.

Flopping - or exaggerating the effects of physical contact in hopes of drawing a foul on the opponent - is technically a form of cheating. It's more acting than basketball. It's creating an illusion to fool the referees.

It's garbage. It's spineless and wrong. It belongs in professional wrestling. Problem is, it's a central storyline in the Western Conference playoffs, where the Spurs beat the Suns in Game 1 and Shaquille O'Neal claimed, "the floppers prevailed."

"I don't react to players' comments or really anybody's comments," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said Monday. "It's like Hillary (Clinton) and Barack (Obama), you know? So and so said this about you. Let's talk about health care and that sort of thing instead of the bull (expletive)."

Fine, O'Neal says a lot of silly things. But he's right about flopping, and he should know, having been targeted by floppers more than any other player in history. (Because of O'Neal's freakish size and strength, opponents can do nothing but resort to cowardly gamesmanship.)

Stone cold serious about the issue, O'Neal wasn't about to back off comments he made after Saturday's game.

"They weren't defending me," O'Neal said. "All they got to do is flop. It's frustrating that the referees don't allow two guys to fight. It's supposed to be two guys fighting, and one guy is out there flopping. A lot of times, I don't do anything. But I guess all you got to do is walk next to me and fall."

Flopping has become such an issue in American basketball that NBA executive Stu Jackson, who oversees the officiating, claimed last season that he was going to research how other leagues handle the most notorious offenders.

Jackson did not return phone calls Monday, but when informed about the flopping charges here in San Antonio, the guy who answered the phone at NBA headquarters said with great sarcasm: "What a surprise."

Overseas, the problem is so insidious that FIBA referees can assess technical fouls on players for flopping, and with more and more foreign-born players inhabiting the NBA, it's easy to see how the product can suffer.

"They come from the soccer culture where they kind of get elbowed and then they get carried off on the stretcher," Suns General Manager Steve Kerr said. "And then they come back a minute later and they're running at full speed. First, you're worried they're going to die. And then you're worried they're going to score three more goals in the game."

Clearly, the Spurs' Manu Ginobili is the Jack Nicholson of flopping, and that's a shame. Ginobili is a marvelous talent with great courage and toughness. A total team player, he accepted less money and a lesser role (sixth man) just to help his team win. As Popovich noted on Monday, "He got over himself a long time ago."

Yet outside San Antonio, Ginobili has tarnished his reputation by being King Flopper, and he will never be appreciated for the great player he is. But it's not just European players who have mastered the art of flopping. It's not just the Spurs, either. And I hate to tell you this, but the Suns have plenty of floppers, too, including the two-time MVP.

"Raja Bell's a flopper, Kurt (Thomas) is a flopper, Ginobili is probably the king of floppers," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "There are levels of flopping. Divac might be the father of flopping. That's gamesmanship . . . you love 'em when you're with them and hate 'em when they're against you. That's normal."

No, normal would be two guys playing basketball, and the best man wins. Instead, flopping rewards inferior players, enrages the victims and makes the officials look stupid. It's why Laimbeer became the most hated athlete in sports, while Dennis Rodman literally learned how to propel himself backward in the air, as if shot out of a cannon. Even great players such as Reggie Miller and John Stockton cheapened their careers through theatrics.

Someone has to put a stop to this. Ever see how NFL referees sneer at punters who lie on the field after flopping? The NBA needs to take the cue, get a clue, and start fining all culprits.

Otherwise, O'Neal may take matters into his own hands, and pity the floppers if that ever happens.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/22043

That whole thing is a "let Shaq play" piece? Terrible ending.

I agree, just thought it was timely/relevant/funny.

Sorry, I liked it. Was surprised by the ending is all.

"Ginobili: The best 6th man ever?" is actually a topic on First Take's 1st and 10 right now.

It appears you are correct, Fool, but from the limited soccer I have watched, I swear I've seen people come back and play after having a "near death experience."
They take him off the field on a stretcher, but they don't actually sub anyone in for him. That way, when he's ready, he can come back into the game to play. They just play at a disadvantage for a few minutes.

Divac might be the father of flopping.
That would make Bill Laimbeer the grandfather. Of course, flopping back in the days when there were only two refs and more big men crowding inside was a bit different than the runts flopping for the camera these days.

Bill prefers to be called Godfather Flop.