Well, it's obvious that Kstat knows his stuff when it comes to basketball, which is why I think this will be a good thread. Hopefully stickied as well, if of course Kstat is willing to answer questions (and also enlighten).

Keep in mind that this is strictly basketball related. Stupid questions go in the "aks bukdow" thread.

this thread will be very useful for gambling purposes.

Kstat, greatest NBA team of all time?
95-96 Bulls?

And is it just me, or does Andre Miller's voice sound fucking hilarious?

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Kstat, greatest NBA team of all time?
95-96 Bulls?


I wrote a paper about 10 years ago about the best teams in NBA history, and I came to the conclusion that the 86 Celtics were the best team ever, slightly better than the 96 bulls.

Since then, I haven't seen anything to make me want to change my mind.

this thread will be very useful for gambling purposes.


I hate gambling on basketball. I don't know what anybody would ever make a habit of it.

I gambled over a 5 month span several years ago, and I made about 2 grand when I was finished.

Thing was, it was so strenuous and aggravating, the stress every game put me through wasn't worth $2,000. Not even close. I was a nervous wreck even when I won.

I'm decent at picking games, but as certain former teachers at my highschool will attest, I have my bad days and if you depend on my advice too much, you will eventually lose money.

Unless this is for alpalcas, ihn which case we're totally cool.

What do you think makes the 85-86 Celtics better than the 95-96 Bulls?

What do you think makes the 85-86 Celtics better than the 95-96 Bulls?

Better competition, home dominance, and depth.

Bird in 1986 was as good or better than Jordan in 1996, and he had more talent around him.

Favorite non-Piston (of all time)?

Favorite non-Piston (of all time)?

Dave Bing.

Zeke, Rip, Dumars and Sheed after Bing, in that order.

Most overrated player right now?

Most overrated player of all time?

Most overrated player right now?

Andre Igoudala


Most overrated player of all time?

John Stockton


(don't get me wrong on Stockton, I think he's a top 10 all time PG, but not top-3 as people love to rank him).

Who's your top 3 PGs of all time?

Who's your top 3 PGs of all time?

Magic, Zeke and the Big O.

K, why no love for the Pistons Championship teams?

We beat that Celtic team that had most of the same players they had in 86. And we beat the Bulls teams that you mentioned too. The Bulls finally got by us but it took a lil while.

Favorite non-Piston (of all time)?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 8 being the lowest, how do you rate Joe's drafting acumen?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 8 being the lowest, how do you rate Joe's drafting acumen?

It's tough because he relies so heavily on his scouts. He can't get all the blame for darko, white and Delfino, and he also cant get all the credit for memo, Tayshaun, Amir and Stuckey. The only pick that was entirely his doing was Cleaves, and that was a trial balloon.

Overall, I'd give him a 5 out of 10. He;s proven he can draft outside the lottery very well, but with a lottery pick he's taken a lemon every time, and you can't gloss over that.

With that said, any other GM that passed up Melo, Bosh and Wade for Darko would get an automatic 1 from me right now. It speaks to Joe's ability to turn his mistakes into something good that he gets a 5 from me.

lol

Sorry to keep the "overrated" questions going, but I find this shit fascinating.

Most overrated team within striking distance of the playoffs this year?

Most overrated Piston? (Take this as far back as you'd like to go.)

Most overrated team within striking distance of the playoffs this year?



Cleveland. I still think they are this year's version of last year's Heat. Sometimes people need to be reminded that even LeBron isn't a god, like they had to be reminded last year by Wade. Even superstars need to be backed up with good team basketball.


Most overrated Piston? (Take this as far back as you'd like to go.)

Mark Aguirre. Rode the bad boy train sitting in AD's seat.

Don't get me wrong, I thought the pistons were better long-term with the 3 guards dominating more of the offense, but there are a number of small forwards who would have allowed them to do that. Aguirre was a positive impact simply because he wasn't Adrian Dantley. It's not like he did anything here to win us games.

K, why no love for the Pistons Championship teams?

We beat that Celtic team that had most of the same players they had in 86. And we beat the Bulls teams that you mentioned too. The Bulls finally got by us but it took a lil while.

I'm being ignored.

K, why no love for the Pistons Championship teams?

I have a lot of love for the bad boys. They were the first professional basketball team I ever saw.



We beat that Celtic team that had most of the same players they had in 86.

Most, but not all.

Bill Walton, Scott Wedman and Jerry Sichting were three very good rotation players on the 86 team that were not there when we finally overcame them in 1988.

That's one of the best 6th men of all time, and two of the best outside shooters of their generation.

Not to mention, Bird was at his peak in 86, and by 88 he was hurting and aging.


And we beat the Bulls teams that you mentioned too. The Bulls finally got by us but it took a lil while.

We did not beat the bulls as they were in 1996. It was a vastly superior Bulls team to the one we beat.

the 1989 bad boys I would probably put in my all time top 10. I just wouldn't put them in my top 5, as much as I might want to.

That said, if I have to list the 10 best defensive teams of all time, the 89 pistons would be much higher.

Kstat, do you think there is any shot in hell Herrmann will consider coming back next year?? The way I see it, I think some team is going to throw alot of money at Jarvis, and he seems like the type that will go elsewhere for more minutes, so if thats the case, wouldn't Walter be the perfect person to take his minutes, like Jarvis he can shoot the 3 (which is about all Jarvis is really good for), and Walter is twice the defender he is. Seems like a perfect replacement if you ask me. What do you think?

Kstat, do you think there is any shot in hell Herrmann will consider coming back next year?? The way I see it, I think some team is going to throw alot of money at Jarvis, and he seems like the type that will go elsewhere for more minutes, so if thats the case, wouldn't Walter be the perfect person to take his minutes, like Jarvis he can shoot the 3 (which is about all Jarvis is really good for), and Walter is twice the defender he is. Seems like a perfect replacement if you ask me. What do you think?

Hermann being a restricted FA, he'll be back if they want him back.

I honestly don't believe either will be back, but I think hermann is a more likely to be a piston next year than jarvis.

Kstat, why should Atlanta even bother showing up in the playoffs?

Kstat,

Who'd be better on the Pistons bench -- Flip Murray or Juan Dixon?

As long as they remain on the bench, I don't think it matters.
lol

Kstat, why should Atlanta even bother showing up in the playoffs?
Watch the 1994 series between Denver and Seattle and get back to me.

Kstat,

Who'd be better on the Pistons bench -- Flip Murray or Juan Dixon?

Dixon.

Flip dominates the ball too much Juan might have a bad game, but he won't drag anyone else down with him.

No offense, but I don't care about a series from 14 years ago.

I'd just like to know why someone should think Atlanta has a shot in Hell.

No offense, but I don't care about a series from 14 years ago.

I'd just like to know why you think Atlanta has a shot in Hell. Assuming of course if you do...

The point is, nobody thought denver had a shot in hell 14 years ago. There was no real logical reason to believe they'd beat Seattle 3 straight times to eliminate them.

You didn't ask me why they can win, you asked me why they should even bother showing up. Anything can happen in the playoffs, and that's why they play the games.

Their lone matchup advantage is Bibby vs Rondo, but I'd never say that's enough to win a playoff series.....

The odds are overwhelmingly in favor of a 4 or 5 game series.

You didn't ask me why they can win, you asked me why they should even bother showing up.


Well, sorry...

What I meant was, why should they even bother showing up if they don't have a chance in Hell of winning?

But it has been answered. Next question.

Your Finals prediction is NO vs. Detroit, right?

Because there's a chance to win, simply because they are in the playoffs.

Might be a 1/100 shot, but it's still a chance, and it's been done before.

Your Finals prediction is NO vs. Detroit, right?

Yes, but take that with a grain of salt. I'd never pick against the Pistons in a playoff series, so I don't pretend to be right about it.

New Orleans is the team I picked to come out of the west a long time ago, and I'm sticking with that one.

I think they only get stronger in the playoffs, because they rely so heavily on their talented starting 5.

What do you think will be the most exciting 1st round series?

What do you think will be the most exciting 1st round series?


I'll have to get back to you after tonight. We don't have a single series in the west locked up yet, and chances are the best 4 1st round series will all come from that conference.

The best POSSIBLE matchup? I'd say Phoenix against San Antonio, followed by Utah/San Antonio.

Kstat,

Do you think the Spurs will make it to the WCF?

Good point.

Is Chris Paul your MVP?

Kstat,

Do you think the Spurs will make it to the WCF?

No, but to be sure I'd prefer to know who they would have to go through.

Is Chris Paul your MVP?

Kobe by a nose.

Paul's still young, he'll win his eventually.

Kstat,

How minutes will Rodney Stuckey average in the playoffs? Do you think he will score 20+ in any games?

K, what do you make of Barkley saying that the Wizards are the dumbest team in history for "riling up" LeBron?

Kstat,

How minutes will Rodney Stuckey average in the playoffs? Do you think he will score 20+ in any games?


I'm certain he'll get 20 in a game if they win 2 rounds. Odds are one of them will be a blowout, and Rodney loves the big stage.

K, what do you make of Barkley saying that the Wizards are the dumbest team in history for "riling up" LeBron?

Hyperbole.

What, LeBron wanted to win before, but he REALLY wants to win now, after Deshawn Stevenson called him overrated?

If the Cavs need motivational quotes to get them ready to kick ass, they're in trouble.

Even Jordan wasn't like that. he always wanted to beat you, it's just that when anybody talked shit, he'd beat them AND score 53 points on the guy that said something.

Didn't mean he wanted to win the game more, just meant he was going to embarrass you while doing it.

Why do rebounds count towards the DPOY award?

Why do rebounds count towards the DPOY award?

Defensive rebounds keep the other team from getting 2nd chance points. That's pretty important to a defense, if you ask me.

Now that all the matchups are set, I will ask again...

What do you think is the most exciting first round matchup?

Now that all the matchups are set, I will ask again...

What do you think is the most exciting first round matchup?


Suns and Spurs, by a mile.

Who do you got in each series and in how many games?

Who do you got in each series and in how many games?
I'm assuming we're doing another pick 'em league. You'll find out then.

Well, I don't do leagues so...

Houston in 7

New Orleans in 6

Phoenix in 6

LA in 6

Detroit in 5

Boston in 4

Washington in 6

Orlando in 7

Damn, you might be the only one who has McGrady actually advancing to the 2nd round.

Must be the inability of Utah to win on the road.

Damn, you might be the only one who has McGrady actually advancing to the 2nd round.

Must be the inability of Utah to win on the road.

I think this is the one time where there will be zero pressure on McGrady. That's why i think Houston has a chance, because nobody expects them to win.

K...Does Flip have the clout with this team to blow a gasket to motivate them?

Or doesn't this team need a good ass chewin? Just a pat on the back side.

K...Does Flip have the clout with this team to blow a gasket to motivate them?

Or doesn't this team need a good ass chewin? Just a pat on the back side.

I think if players need motivation from their coach to beat the sixers, they're in trouble.

I agree they could use a good ass chewing, but that would seem to fall on Billups moreso than Flip.

Getting humiliated in game 1 should be more than enough to get their minds right.

Well you can mark me down as disagreeing with an ass chewin coming from a player. CBill is part of the problem. The players could look at him and say 'what about you foo?

This needs to come from the coach or not at all.

Or Joe.

Not Flip.

Reminds me of what Bucher said last week, "This team has never listened to Flip Saunders and they never will".

Rome is Burning....Number 1 topic...Pistons.

I remember back when Isaih was leading us back to the promise land, they learned (and talked about) that winning those early round matchups early to save energy was HUGE. These guys haven't learned shit.

Kstat

Do you think Sheed joking with 76ers at the end of game is a big deal and did it piss you off?

^ I saw Reggie Evans' reaction to that, he didn't look too pleased. Not that we should take much stock in what Reggie Evans thinks (even though he killed us), it might make Philly think they're being disrespected even more.

And if I were Mo, I post all these "The Pistons can whoop em, as soon as they are ready to play" stories all over there locker room.

Kstat, Jarvis Hayes made a brief cameo in last nights game, yet did absolutely nothing productive to show for it. If you were Flipper, would you put Herrmann activer and deactivate Jarvis?? Also, how about swapping Dixon and Lindsey too?

Say what you want about Juan Dixon, the dude is probably are 2nd best press defender and has twice the offensive game as Lindsey Hunter...

Those 5 minute scoring droughts drive me nuts.

76ers are HUNGRY. Toss them dudes a soup bone.

Kstat

Do you think Sheed joking with 76ers at the end of game is a big deal and did it piss you off?

if Sheed hits the game winning shot, is that even mentioned?

Kstat, Jarvis Hayes made a brief cameo in last nights game, yet did absolutely nothing productive to show for it. If you were Flipper, would you put Herrmann activer and deactivate Jarvis?? Also, how about swapping Dixon and Lindsey too?

Say what you want about Juan Dixon, the dude is probably are 2nd best press defender and has twice the offensive game as Lindsey Hunter...

Those 5 minute scoring droughts drive me nuts.

Agreed on all counts.

Although the coaching staff has it set in stone that Hermann can't play SF, so that's an impossibility.

I do fully support Juan Dixon getting a shot over Lindsey Hunter. He has had big playoff performances before.

^ I saw Reggie Evans' reaction to that, he didn't look too pleased. Not that we should take much stock in what Reggie Evans thinks (even though he killed us), it might make Philly think they're being disrespected even more.

Again, count me out of the "disrespected" theories. Players are either ready to win or they're not. I have yet to see a single playoff game that was decided by a pregame quote.

Dear Kstat,

What the fuck happened?

Dear Kstat,

What the fuck happened?


I was there, and I still don't know.

Keep in mind that we looked worse than this 4 years ago, the last time we lost a home playoff game in the first round. Milwaukee came in and worked us. Sheed lost the game at the end by fumbling the ball out of bounds with 10 seconds left.

Might I add, we won the championship that season.

And Sheed fumbled the ball in the corner against the Lakers in game 2. :p

I think the key here is Sheed bobbling the ball in one of these games.

I need to save this post as I'll be repeating it but...

1 loss isn't the deal, not giving a shit is.

God, Juan Dixon needs to be active. You could make the case he will give you better production than Stuckey, but who cares, play both!!!!!

I need to save this post as I'll be repeating it but...

1 loss isn't the deal, not giving a shit is.


The thing is, the pistons ability to put a crushing defeat behind them has also been their biggest strength.

Think of all the tough losses that they've come right back from. Nobody questioned them after those.

But it shows a lack of discipline. And teams lacking discipline rarely win the title.

Jordan wouldn't have allowed this sort of crap, Zeke wouldn't have either.

This is a soft bunch mentally.

But it shows a lack of discipline. And teams lacking discipline rarely win the title.


It's the same "mental weakness" that allowed them to come back from a triple-overtime loss at home to NJ to win the series, that allowed them to overcome Kobe's game winner, that allowed them to win game 7 in miami.

Mentally weak teams do not win those games.

You are right that teams lacking discipline rarely win the title.

However, this one did in 2004.

The Spurs last 3 NBA title runs started out with losing game 1 at home to a bad team.

Mind you, the spurs have had their share of mental breakdowns as well. It happens.

These Pistons have yet to show they are mentally tough in playoff time though. It's 2008 now and the last example of real mental toughness in playoffs is... 2005.

These Pistons have yet to show they are mentally tough in playoff time though. It's 2008 now and the last example of real mental toughness in playoffs is... 2005.

They game back from losing game 5 at home to the cavs in 06 to win the series...

It's the same basic group of core guys. Billups, Rip, Sheed, Tayshaun...you can't just pretend they haven't had some of the guttiest wins in franchise history.

They've had some memorable mental lapses too, but everyone goes through that, even the spurs.

Again, if losing first first playoff game at home to a vastly inferior team means you're mentally weak, then the spurs were mentally weak in their last 3 championship seasons.

If blowing a 2-0 series lead and losing 4 straight games means you're mentally weak.... well the spurs have done that, too.

I realize this flies in the face of all the criticism that's been heaped on the Pistons since game 1, but I just don't buy that this team has a bad mental approach to the playoffs. It's benefited them more often than it has hurt them.

But it shows a lack of discipline. And teams lacking discipline rarely win the title.

Jordan wouldn't have allowed this sort of crap, Zeke wouldn't have either.

This is a soft bunch mentally.
There's no strong leaders. The problem isn't so much that they're "soft", but that they're a "bunch". Coaching leadership matters too. I could rewrite the above as "Phil Jackson wouldn't have allowed this sort of crap. Chuck Daly wouldn't have either." and the meaning would be the same. Pop's the leader of the Spurs moreso than Little Tony and his two friends.

:little tony:

When we think "whose team is it?" we should have a clear answer, and that answer should ideally be a coach's name. Who runs San Antonio? Pop. Who runs Golden State? Obviously it's Nellie. Who runs the Lakers? Well, that's Kobe, but at least we have an answer there.

Who runs the Pistons?

I don't think anyone can argue with the fact that whoever is running the Detroit Pistons, it's not Flip Saunders, so let's not have any illusions about that.

The ideal person to take control outside of the coach would be your starting point guard. Now, it's obvious that if you ask Chauncey who runs the Pistons, he might say a lot of things, but he really thinks it's him. And I'm not sure that all of the other players agree.

The next candidate might be the person who is arguably the most intelligent player on the team - Rasheed - but he's clearly uncomfortable in that role.

I think it's clear to anyone who's been paying attention that there is no one in charge of this team. So we all should be aware of this. As much fun as it is to watch this team win games, it's an experiment in anarchism.

Stuckey's in charge and you know it.

Phil Jackson wouldn't have allowed this sort of crap.

...except he did, especially in 2004.



Chuck Daly wouldn't have either.


...except Chuck was never the leader of the bad boys. Zeke was.

I think it's clear to anyone who's been paying attention that there is no one in charge of this team. So we all should be aware of this. As much fun as it is to watch this team win games, it's an experiment in anarchism.

Agree wholeheartedly.

The thing is, anarchism is how this team thrives. It's their biggest weakness and also their biggest strength.

Anybody who watches the NBA will tell you the Pistons are unique in that way. Teams that aren't built around superstars are not supposed to be perennial contenders.

If you want to change the identity of the team so they can be more like everyone else, you're going to have to change the players as well.

It doesn't matter who the coach of the Pistons is, the personality of this team was set in stone the second they traded for Rasheed.

My points were that there was more leadership than just team leader players, and that you don't need that team leading player to win. In their primes, Daly and Jackson were strong and guiding forces on their teams. Same goes for LB. By contrast, we have Flip Flintstone...

Kstat, if not for the likes of Daly, would Isiah have turned out to be another AI?

My points were that there was more leadership than just team leader players, and that you don't need that team leading player to win. In their primes, Daly and Jackson were strong and guiding forces on their teams. Same goes for LB. By contrast, we have Flip Flintstone...

Again, disagreed.

The Pistons had multiple mental meltdowns under LB. They simply recovered from them, so people gloss over the fact they lost several playoff games in 04 and 05 that they should have won.

Daly was exactly the same type of coach Flip is. Nobody wants to admit it because Daly is the Piston legend and Flip is a common fall guy, but their approaches to the game are very similar. They both trusted their players to make the winning decisions out on the floor. Joe hired Flip for that reason, because the team was at the point where it needed a manager, not a coach.



Kstat, if not for the likes of Daly, would Isiah have turned out to be another AI?

No, Zeke was a pass-first guy well before Daly took over. He was well schooled by Knight on the art of playing point guard.

Daly didn't make Zeke a better player any more than Byron Scott made Chris Paul.

Iverson has all the gifts of those two, but he simply never had the mentality, and I'm not sure if that can even be learned or not.

There's no strong leaders. The problem isn't so much that they're "soft", but that they're a "bunch". Coaching leadership matters too. I could rewrite the above as "Phil Jackson wouldn't have allowed this sort of crap. Chuck Daly wouldn't have either." and the meaning would be the same. Pop's the leader of the Spurs moreso than Little Tony and his two friends.

Quit taking my ideas and making them better.

Daly was exactly the same type of coach Flip is.
Bwahaha!


Nobody wants to admit it because Daly is the Piston legend and Flip is a common fall guy, but their approaches to the game are very similar. They both trusted their players to make the winning decisions out on the floor. Joe hired Flip for that reason, because the team was at the point where it needed a manager, not a coach.
"Jordan Rules" versus "hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone"? I don't think it's even close. Daly brought on Dick Harter. Who'd Flip bring on? JD damn near had to give Flip a fucking safety net of assistant coaches. I can't imagine Flip ever being called the Prince of Pessimism. Daly was pretty good at dealing a lot of big egos. Flip's people skills aren't in the same universe.


No, Zeke was a pass-first guy well before Daly took over. He was well schooled by Knight on the art of playing point guard.

Daly didn't make Zeke a better player any more than Byron Scott made Chris Paul.
Sure he was more pass-first, but Isiah was all about getting his 20 and 10 in the early days. We didn't start having serious 50-win seasons until Daly came in and set him straight. Isiah credits Daly with getting him to buy into being less about his numbers and more about winning.

It's the same "mental weakness" that allowed them to come back from a triple-overtime loss at home to NJ to win the series, that allowed them to overcome Kobe's game winner, that allowed them to win game 7 in miami.

Mentally weak teams do not win those games.

You are right that teams lacking discipline rarely win the title.

However, this one did in 2004.

The Spurs last 3 NBA title runs started out with losing game 1 at home to a bad team.

Mind you, the spurs have had their share of mental breakdowns as well. It happens.

Not for me. Thats there talent that won those things. They had their backs to the wall. Thats when they play hard.

This team lacks discipline.

can't we just get along?

Not for me. Thats there talent that won those things. They had their backs to the wall. Thats when they play hard.

This team lacks discipline.

They also lack fear, which is a trait any coach would kill for.

Again, it's a double-edged sword. The things that make them vulnerable also make them great.

can't we just get along?

Eh, I'm not going to debate in this thread. People can ask me what I think, and if they don't like my answer we can agree to disagree. But I will be completely thoughtful and honest with my answers. I don't answer anything flippantly.

Is it bad that I find myself agreeing with you (Kstat) more and more?

Dear Kstat Forum,

What is the legal contact when playing defense?
What is legal contact when establishing post position?

Dear Kstat Forum,

What is the legal contact when playing defense?


I direct you to the 8:41 mark of this video...

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What is legal contact when establishing post position?

anything that doesn't involve hooking your opponent or elbowing him in the face...unless you name is shaq.

I had that video!

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we still quote that video

K, can you size up Sheed for me? I know he's not perfect, but he's my fav Piston.

KSTAT-

WILL YOU CHANGE YOUR SIG SO IT SHOWS THE NEXT IN LINE FOR ALL TIME NBA PLAYOFF SCORING?

K, can you size up Sheed for me? I know he's not perfect, but he's my fav Piston.

There was a recent article on him that summed him up perfectly. He's a truly unique player in that he's a walking contradiction. He's got a loud demeanor, yet seeks no attention or accolades for himself.

He's got the all-around game that many hall of famers wish they had, yet his numbers are pedestrian for a perennial all-star.

He's completely unstable emotionally, and yet he's one of the most intelligent players ever to put on a uniform. He reads defenses and offenses with ease, and instructs his teammates accordingly.

He's got a textbook post game honed at UNC by the great Dean Smith, and yet he prefers to stand around the 3-point line, which is something most big men are taught not to do.

Sheed is perfectly imperfect. He's so talented that no matter how well he plays, he's never performing to his talent level. And yet, he's much better than his stats indicate.

KSTAT-

WILL YOU CHANGE YOUR SIG SO IT SHOWS THE NEXT IN LINE FOR ALL TIME NBA PLAYOFF SCORING?


There you go.

The real interesting thing will be when Rip passes Byron Scott at #26. Everybody in the top 25 is either in the hall of fame or a lock to eventually get there.

For the record, here's the current top-30

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Shaquille O'Neal
4. Karl Malone
5. Jerry West
6. Larry bird
7. John Havlicek
8. Hakeem Olajuwon
9. Magic Johnson
10. Scottie Pippen
11. Elgin Baylor
12. Wilt Chamberlain
13. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
15. Kevin McHale
16. Dennis Johnson
17. Julius Erving
18. James Worthy
19. Reggie Miller
20. Clyde Drexler
21. Sam Jones
22. Charles Barkley
23. Robert Parish
24. Patrick Ewing
25. Bill Russell
26. Byron Scott
27. John Stockton
28. Richard Hamilton
29. Isiah Thomas
30. Bob Pettit

Pretty much spot on, I would say.

Thats pretty good Kstat. I read somewhere that pointed out a couple of weakenesses of his that can't really be covered by teamates which is why we can look like shit sometimes.

I mean if a guy isn't that great of a scored (Ben) others know it going in and can compensate. We can't with Sheed.

Pretty much spot on, I would say.

Yep. I was writting while you posted, but 'spot on' it is.

How many playoff points did Scott have?

How many playoff points did Scott have?
Rip=2282
Byron=2451

Assuming Rip scores 20 a game, getting to the Finals likely gets him over the hump.

kstat, i have a simple question. what exactly constitutes an assist? Is there a set of standards or is it subjective. Also, who decides if it is an assist or not, the score keeper?

kstat, i have a simple question. what exactly constitutes an assist? Is there a set of standards or is it subjective. Also, who decides if it is an assist or not, the score keeper?

It's very subjective.

In the past, an assist was only a pass that immediately led to a basket. No dribbling, no faking, etc. Only a pass leading to an immediate shot counted.

The rule was changed to be much more inclusive in the 80's. Now it's basically up to the scorekeeper's interpretation.

The NBA defines an assist as, "a pass that leads directly to a basket." That said, there can be dribbling, faking, etc.

well now that the assist question is out of the way. What exactly is a team rebound? and are there any other subjective decisions that the score keeper makes?

well now that the assist question is out of the way. What exactly is a team rebound? and are there any other subjective decisions that the score keeper makes?

A scenario in which a rebound bounces out of bounds unsecured, or play is stopped before a rebound can be awarded, via foul, shot clock violation, etc.

Obviously, since no player can be awarded a rebound, but a rebound DID occur by definition, one is awarded to the entire team.

I'd say shot blocks are certainly more subjective than even assists. Sometimes a fingertip deflection will count, other times you can have your whole palm on the ball and not get one. Depends largely on the scorekeeper.

Favorite non-Piston (of all time)?

Can't believe I missed this one not once, but twice...

Clyde Drexler. First (and only) NBA player I ever put on my wall in a poster.

Also, quick question for anybody who can answer it. Since Greg Oden didn't play this year, will he technically be a rookie next year (as in eligible to win ROY)?? So in the frosh/sophomores game during the ASB, he will be on the rookie team??

Yes to both questions.

Kstat, do you want me to put your guarantee on the front page or the back page?

Kstat, how come you ignored my proof that Max was indeed not lit up at all by KG?

Kstat, how come you ignored my proof that Max was indeed not lit up at all by KG?

When he was again lit up tonight in the 4th quarter.

THe open field tackle he had on Pierce at midcourt with 6 minutes to go that sent him to the line was equally great.

How can you say AGAIN when he was not lit up in the last game?

Maxiell had nobody he could guard, he was incapable of a fundamental box out, and he committed several of the dumbest fouls I've ever seen in a clutch situation.

Other than that, yeah he didn't get lit up.

What are you talking about? Did you even read my game transcript? KG had NO points and ONE rebound the entire time Max was in the game that night. How can you possibly say KG lit him up?

Last night is a different story. But you continue to say that he was lit up in game 5 and that Ratliff was a better option. Not one person agrees with that because it's rediculous (as the numbers show).

Lets look at last night.

Max comes in for Sheed with 2:06 left in 1st. gets a steal and KG makes a 20 foot jumper. Brown misses a shot and Perkins gets rebound and scores (who was Max guarding?). KG comes back in for Perkins. KG misses shot and Max draws offensive foul on Brown. Dyess back in for Max until Dyess gets another foul. Perkins gets a rebound. Max draws foul and also blocks a shot by Powe. End of half.

Can we all agree he played decent in the first half?

So he sits until 8 minutes are left in the game. He comes in, KG makes a jumper, Max gets a steal, has that bad foul, makes a jumper and grabs a board. KG makes a jumper, Max commits another foul later.

So he had a couple costly fouls, so what? How about Sheed missing layups and throwing the ball away? How about our guards chucking contested 3 pointers? How about Tay stopping before midcourt and getting the ball stolen? Come on, you are pouncing on Max for a couple bad plays?

Since when has Flip ever allowed Max to be out there in the 4th and get used to those situations? Why not worry about the 4 vets we have out there that have been in these situations for years.

Max had one desperation block, which he's good at, and he scored the ball well.

Other than that's he was a huge negative.

And yes, Sheed sucked. So did Maxiell. I'm fine with tossing both of them out the door.

Maxiell is a fun player to watch, but he's a coach's nightmare. A fan favorite who does all his best work in the spotlight, and keeps all his major fuckups so low-key that the average fan will never truly realize how much he can hurt his team.

Maxiell eats babies, yes. He also gets out-rebounded by them.

I agree with Kstat. I'm not commenting on Maxey's effect on the series, but he has many fundamental ineffeciencies that fans probably do not notice... Sure, he makes highlight reel plays. I would like to keep having him come off the bench for those timely energy plays, but never starting unless he fixes his mistakes.

I agree with his assesment of Max's skill set overall as well. My contention was simply that he's been one of the better performers in this series.

That aside, I would definately package him with Sheed for a better center.

Saying he's one of the better performers in this series is like saying Galaragga is one of the better tigers starting pitchers.

It's nice and true, but in the end it's fairly unimpressive.

K, what we need to get in return for CBill?

what could we get for CBill?

Would you consider trading Cbill if you were JoeD?

K, what we need to get in return for CBill?

what could we get for CBill?

Would you consider trading Cbill if you were JoeD?

I'd prefer to keep him. Stuckey's not ready yet to take over the team.

But if felt I had to, I'd trade him for nothing less than Elton Brand or a big man of his caliber.

My first option is to keep Rip/Billups/Stuckey intact as a 3-guard unit and try to build around them.

kstat, how do we get a better bigman than Sheed? its not like there is another Gasol available, i'd doubt we can get E.Brand
CB, RIP, Tay, Stuckey, Amir are save right?

kstat, how do we get a better bigman than Sheed? its not like there is another Gasol available, i'd doubt we can get E.Brand
CB, RIP, Tay, Stuckey, Amir are save right?


I don't think anybody on the roster is "safe." It all depends on who we can pry away.

Brand I think can be had for the right price. They only question is, are we willing to pay it?

Jermaine O'Neal and Emeka Okafor are also big men that I believe can be had.

All are more productive big men than sheed.

JO is not an option IMO. It would take Sheed and one of RIP/Tay/Billups to match his contract. No way I'm doing that.

JO is not an option IMO. It would take Sheed and one of RIP/Tay/Billups to match his contract. No way I'm doing that.

That's what i thought too, until I actually crunched the numbers.

You could deal Sheed and McDyess in some sort of a 3-way deal, and the numbers would work.

If you think about it, O'Neal is the perfect candidate to be a Piston. He's unwanted and unhappy where he is now, and there's only a handful of NBA teams capable of resurrecting his once-dominant NBA career, and willing to take the risk of his mega contract.

LOL @ Sheed in Indiana

LOL @ Sheed in Indiana
We could give them a choice: eat Sheed's $13 million for next year, or eat O'Neal's $40 million for 2 years.

Worst case, we can work out a 3-way deal.

Talent wise I might be fine with that, but what about his injuries? Also, you better be sure that Amir is ready to contribute, especially if JO gets hurt again. I think I'd almost rather do Sheed/Billups for JO and their pick (or something along those lines). Then we could draft Augustine and still have our 3 guard rotation, and we'd have Dyess still in case JO goes down. Or you could take a scoring wing there and draft Lawson with our pick to backup Stuckey.

They won't be dealing their #1 pick under any circumstances. They already lost their previous one to Atlanta.

Indiana is trying to get younger and cheaper, not older and more expensive.

Do you want Melo?

We can't get out of the east unless we can compete with Pierce and LeBron.

Unless there's another stud SF out there, it's a deal that has to be made.

Other moves have to be added on to this one, but it's a solid starting point.

How many studs do you know who are as mentally weak as Melo?

How many studs do you know who are as mentally weak as Melo?

How many mentally weak players do you know that won the MVP of the final 4 as a freshman?

How many college games do you know that have ever counted in the NBA?

How many college games do you know that have ever counted in the NBA?


How many Denver Nuggets games have ever counted in the NBA?

We can't get out of the east unless we can compete with Pierce and LeBron.

Unless there's another stud SF out there, it's a deal that has to be made.

Other moves have to be added on to this one, but it's a solid starting point.

I think it's funny how people are putting pierce at the same level as lebron. I don't recall having issues the last few years getting by the celtics when it was just paul pierce. I also think it's silly to think we need to get melo in order to compete with either small forward. Scoring small forwards rarely win championships by themselves (they usually need a KG or Ray Allen to help).

With that being said carmelo would definitely help improve a pistons squad that struggles to score especially when the play that was called by our play-making-challenged point guard gets defended (of course, that was in the flip saunders system). Regardless, the pistons could really use that safety valve of a player that can create his own offense, a guy that mainly takes good shots and will give you 25 a night.

I also think Carmelo gets a bad rap around here. I think in the right culture you'd see carmelo be one of the best players in the league, one that is capable of winning a championship (similar to him leading his team to a NCAA championship). Just look at how Carmelo transforms when playing for team USA and Coach K. He magically morphs into the best player on the floor, a guy that plays team ball and leads his team to victories.

And with all of that being said Denver doesn't want our garbage for Carmelo. It's time to give up that dream and hope they instead will take chauncey billups off our hands (not sure for whom but I almost don't care)

How many Denver Nuggets games have ever counted in the NBA?

How many Detroit Piston games do you want to count in the NBA?

I think it's funny how people are putting pierce at the same level as lebron.

Tayshaun prince has a way of doing that....


I don't recall having issues the last few years getting by the celtics when it was just paul pierce.

...because we had the luxury of throwing 2 and 3 guys at him. it wasn't because Tayshaun was kicking his ass one on one.

There is some truth to the fact that with KG and Ray Allen around it does become more difficult to guard a paul pierce.....but to say he's equally as challenging to defend than lebron with all things similar is a bit overblown. Paul Pierce is a very good (and in some cases very under-rated) player, but he doesn't dominate multiple facets of the game like lebron. We're not getting a carmelo anthony in response to the celtics having paul pierce (and in some cases lebron james)

With all that being said I do agree with you that carmelo would be an exceptional pick up for the pistons for some of the reasons I believe you infer above (or my inference of your assessment of tayshaun as being a complimentary player...of which I agree with)

In fact, I believe this is an entire team of complimentary pieces that would benefit from having that one "star" player of which carmelo is capable of being.

There is some truth to the fact that with KG and Ray Allen around it does become more difficult to guard a paul pierce.....but to say he's equally as challenging to defend than lebron with all things similar is a bit overblown.

It doesn't really matter, because Tayshaun got obliterated by either of them, and that's the problem.

We can't beat those teams if Tayshaun is getting outscored 25-8.

If we can;'t find a way to shut them down, the next best option is to make them work on defense, which is something Tayshaun can't do.



In fact, I believe this is an entire team of complimentary pieces that would benefit from having that one "star" player of which carmelo is capable of being.

If there's another goto scorer out there, then so be it. But we need to upgrade Tayshaun no matter what happens.

It doesn't really matter, because Tayshaun got obliterated by either of them, and that's the problem.

We can't beat those teams if Tayshaun is getting outscored 25-8.

If we can;'t find a way to shut them down, the next best option is to make them work on defense, which is something Tayshaun can't do.

If there's another goto scorer out there, then so be it. But we need to upgrade Tayshaun no matter what happens.

Good points. Tay doesn't have the strength to battle those guys. Even if he did, the league wouldn't allow it anyway (he'd foul out pretty fast). I'm willing to move him for a better scorer, even with less defense. However, it must be a SF that can help on the boards at least (Melo can, but as far as other options at SF).

His defense wasn't even there.

Pierce had his best series against Tayshaun. So did LeBron last year.

Tayshaun Prince would be a much more efficient scorer if he were given the opportunity to be an important cog in the offense. With billups in the lineup he was relegated to 4th option, with him gone prince was a much more efficient and competent scorer. The problem with this offense bogging down is not tayshaun prince. You're picking on the wrong player here.

And don't blame prince completely for the offensive explosions of paul pierce or lebron james. If you refuse to double these guys and attempt to take the ball out of their hands they are always going to have the advantage if matched one-on-one with their defensive opponent.

And with the pistons lacking the ability to help-defend (and with antonio mcdyess being one of the worst help defenders in the league whom good teams consistently exploit) you're going to give up a lot of easy baskets to the elite scorers in this league which is what happened to this team the last 2 ECF.

That's bad coaching.

Tayshaun Prince is not the problem.

Yeah, the only good help defender we've had here lately is overpaid on Zekyl's team. Sheed plays good man defense, but doesn't help well. Max is a decent help defender but doesn't play enough and needs better recognition as well.

There isn't a player in the league that can stop a player with the size of a PF and the ball handling of a PG.

There isn't a player in the league that can stop a player with the size of a PF and the ball handling of a PG.


No but there is one GM who has for a few years now.

Kstat,

Favorite Pistons game?

Kstat,

Favorite Pistons game?


Game 4, 1989 NBA finals. No game will ever come close. Only time I ever cried over a sporting event.

Lemme guess...the 89/90 win in Portland where the microwave hit a hecka shot?

Lemme guess...the 89/90 win in Portland where the microwave hit a hecka shot?

Believe it or not, I never saw the game live, so I can't comment on it.

That was the game though, wasn't it?

it wasn't even the same year.

I said game 4 in 1989. The 0.07 play was game 5 of 1990.

LMAO...I can't get shit right these days.

Ok, I'll go away now.

Game 4, 1989 NBA finals. No game will ever come close. Only time I ever cried over a sporting event.

Man, I don't even remember what I was doing in '89.

My personal favorite was game 6 of the 04 ECF, which I have on my pc. I remember being on the edge of my seat, on the verge of flipping out, in the 4th.

That game was beautiful for a number of reasons. One was James Worthy going off for 40 and the Lakers hitting every kind of ridiculous shot, and the fact that team was just not going to be denied the championship that night.

Chuck Daly switched Mahorn on to Worthy at halftime, and Mahorn gave him the best 24 minutes he's played in his life. It was really something else.

K, do you think that if :we: win it all in June the excitement level would even be as close to what it was in 04?

I think so. We're every bit the underdog we were in 04, if not more.

To be honest, I wasn't nearly as excited in 04 as I was in 89.

Who do you think we'd have a better chance of beating in the playoffs, Cleveland or Boston?

Cleveland. They still can't stop quick guards. They built their defense to stop rip and chauncey, not stuckey and Iverson.

As much as LeBron beat us up in 2007, the main reason they beat us was because we couldn't score.

Who would your starters be? and your rotation?

Who would your starters be? and your rotation?

Sheed, Amir, Tayshaun, Iverson and Stuckey. Rip, Dice, Max and Afllalo my 4 subs.

A lot of people here get the feeling Rip would be bitchy if he was approached about coming off the bench. What do you make of that?

He needs to shut up and do what's best for the team.

Iverson has offered to come off the bench himself, but I don't think that's what's best for the team.

Better players than Rip have come off the bench before.

Could CBill and AI coexist? better than Rip and AI?

well, I don't really like either, but at least AI and Chauncey play different positions.

Denver, now that they have Chauncey: how far can they go?

when you're done with that question...could you rank our coaches since Carlisle?

Denver, now that they have Chauncey: how far can they go?
2nd round, if that.

They still aren't very good against teams that matter.

I know its not BBall but how bad do you think the Ravens will beat Miami tomorrow? eh, later today?

when you're done with that question...could you rank our coaches since Carlisle?
LB, Flip, Curry.

One more before I head on outta here... most overrated Piston (of all time)?

I know its not BBall but how bad do you think the Ravens will beat Miami tomorrow? eh, later today?

The Ravens are my favorite AFC team, so i'm biased.

That said, I don't see any way Miami beats Baltimore. Just horrible matchups in Baltimore's favor.

One more before I head on outta here... most overrated Piston (of all time)?


Aguirre...did you think I'd change my mind since the last time you asked me?

Damn, I didn't know I asked you that already.

Mark Aguirre? omg

nvm, it wasn't you, it was swami.

Hey Kstat, how many people travel with the pistons? coaches, players, trainers.... and i dont know if we can include the whole fsn crew but they do attend almost every game.

Game 4, 1989 NBA finals. No game will ever come close. Only time I ever cried over a sporting event.
That game was somewhat anticlimactic to me. Once we beat the Bulls (who were tough as hell), once Magic was out, I knew it was gonna be over. I was happy, but I was even happier when Magic hobbled out of Game 3.

Hey Kstat, how many people travel with the pistons? coaches, players, trainers.... and i dont know if we can include the whole fsn crew but they do attend almost every game.


No idea, aside from what you just mentioned. Never been on roundball one.

That game was somewhat anticlimactic to me. Once we beat the Bulls (who were tough as hell), once Magic was out, I knew it was gonna be over. I was happy, but I was even happier when Magic hobbled out of Game 3.


Well, you never really know until it's over. I mean, it never happened before.

Besides, I was 7. I wasn't really able to appreciate the situation. All I knew is that my team just won the championship.

Aguirre...did you think I'd change my mind since the last time you asked me?

Mark Aguirre wasn't even close to being the most overrated player. I couldn't disagree more.

well i got another one for you then kstat, we've all seen the arby's add, when the hell is the last time i a piston pulled down a triple double?

well i got another one for you then kstat, we've all seen the arby's add, when the hell is the last time i a piston pulled down a triple double?


Unless I miss my guess, Chauncey had one during our championship year.

well i got another one for you then kstat, we've all seen the arby's add, when the hell is the last time i a piston pulled down a triple double?


Unless I miss my guess, Chauncey had one during our championship year.

I know Ben had one in his prime, but that was when he first got here, when the NFZ was in effect.

Rip has come like 1 assist or 1 rebound away what seems like half a dozen times.

so in other words im never going to get my free arby's... damnit.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I saw it.

No way do they advertise that shit 10 years ago.

It's only 1 game, but do you feel vindicated after this great win?

not really. I expected this. It's hard to feel relief when they aren't doing anything I didn't expect to see.

I was so frustrated before because I could envision this kind of performance every game when curry trotted out those ridiculous lineups. This team is capable of so much more, and I was worried I'd never get to see its potential realized on the floor.

I remembered the bad boys and how dumars, zeke and vinnie just came at the other team in waves. It was like having two all-star guards that never got tired and never got into foul trouble. Rip, Stuckey and AI have that same kind of offensive potential.

No team in the league can come close to that kind of firepower in the backcourt.

It's only 1 game, but do you feel vindicated after this great win?
vindicated from who? Nobody here is on board with smallball over the past 10 games at least. Man everybody's a victim here like that?

K, who has the better bench? Boston, Cleveland or Detroit

vindicated from who? Nobody here is on board with smallball over the past 10 games at least. Man everybody's a victim here like that?

I could have sworn that K took just a lil shit on this issue. Oh well.

K, who has the better bench? Boston, Cleveland or Detroit

Detroit's has the potential to be better, but for now its Boston, and then Cleveland.

Rip, Maxiell and Dice have chemistry and are easily as good or better than any other team's 7-8-9 guys.

I could have sworn that K took just a lil shit on this issue. Oh well.


I took a ton for insisting that rip was the better fit off the bench, not to mention that Curry was killing this roster with small-ball.

WE'RE 3RD?

WE'RE 3RD?

Cool it, son.

WE'RE 3RD?


on paper, they're first. But they have to prove it against those guys.

I'd put our bench up against any of them.

so would I. but the results are not there yet.

hopefully tonight was a sneak peek at the next 40 games.

I took a ton for insisting that rip was the better fit off the bench, not to mention that Curry was killing this roster with small-ball.
1.) They still looked interchangeable to me.
2.)again refer to what was said about smallball over the last 10 games.
3.) Any flack you caught was for the million and 1 retarded "i hate curry, curry through guys under the bus, i miss flip boo hoo" threads you kept "venting" like a 13 year old. There is no vindication for your erratic "the sky is falling" behavior and your 180 spin into "everything's fine" Kstat. Maybe I should feel vindicated since your brilliant ass seemed to believe we were playing small ball forever and not making the playoffs. lol.. Either way try to be patient for once in your over emotional life and you won't feel persecuted by anyone who doesn't jump the gun as quick as you. You can get back to your Aks Kstat club now. :)

on paper, they're first. But they have to prove it against those guys.

lol, new schtick?

So, how does it feel to be published in the Detroit Free Press? Has your life changed? Does your mom want to cut out every mention of your name and put it in a scrapbook for all eternity?

Drew Sharp, Terry Foster, Chris McCosky, now you.
Do I have to be wrong to get quoted in a Detroit Newspaper?

So, how does it feel to be published in the Detroit Free Press? Has your life changed? Does your mom want to cut out every mention of your name and put it in a scrapbook for all eternity?


To be honest, it feels really, really weird.

The only time I was in the Detroit News was when I was born, but I've made it in the Detroit Free Press several times in the '90s.

I've been in there a few times myself, but as part of a story.

To be honest, it feels really, really weird.


Yeah, it's not like you can go to your real world friends and be like "hey, check it out, my internet persona made it big...."

Especially in Delaware.

Kstat, what was the best all-star game in your opinion?

Kstat, what was the best all-star game in your opinion?


One of my favorite topics of discussion, because I think there are certain all-star games that have actually lived up to the hype.

IMO, it comes down to three games: 1984, 1993, and 2001.

2001 was the most dramatic, because it was all about the east making this dramatic 21-point 4th quarter comeback, where mutombo had the game of his life repeatedly turning back Garnett, Webber, Kobe, Duncan, etc. at the rim, and Iverson and Marbury were getting 3-point plays every time they touched the ball.

1984 was probably the most well-played. You had Isiah and Magic in their primes directing things, and they were racking up assists like candy. In the end, it was zeke leading an east comeback and taking home the MVP with some ridiculous stat line (35/15?). I do know magic set the assists record in that game with 25 or something like that.


But my all time favorite game was 1993. It was the quintessential meeting of the generations game. You had Jordan pre-retirement, Zeke in his last game, Shaq in his first, Barkley, David Robinson, Larry Johnson (pre-injury), Joe Dumars, Karl Malone, Stockton, Tim Hardaway (pre-injury), Mark Price, Scottie Pippen, Olajuwon, Ewing, etc. There were no one-year wonders or charity cases in this game. It was old guard and new guard.

Why is it my favorite? It was the first (and only) all-star game where both teams actually PLAYED DEFENSE, courtesy of east coach pat riely. There was trapping, strategic fouling, blocked shots, it was actually impressive to see jumpers fall because they were against a set defense. Watching Mark price catch fire late with a 3-point barrage to send it into OT, and then watching Michael Jordan hit several ridiculous shots at terrible angles to keep it close late...it was one of those games that you were sad to see end. You could see the crowd didn't want it to end, either.

BTW, it was also the only time that anybody will ever see Isiah Thomas throw a lob pass to shaq. Pretty sweet play, too.

1993 in 9 parts. Malone and Stockton co-MVPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKyFJi4hEgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50PRTb8oSrc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMpf_xzeK2I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOH-V3pH584&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZPnm57A7no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWnh_wHkU0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6Vsj0Hslg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW0pgKJQzRs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WW_bl-TVa0&feature=related

How many, if any, big trades this year?

K, I don't really pay attention to draft talk or even the draft itself, but I'm going to ask you this anyway. Who do you want the Pistons to look at?

Obviously this all depends on where you think they'll be drafting.

K, what do you think about Laimbeer as coach?

I hope they take Blair...btw

K, what do you think about Laimbeer as coach?

I hope they take Blair...btw

Good question. The posters here (Gl'enn being the only exception, IIRC) seem to be behind that idea.

Laimbeer as an X's and O's guy is a fantastic tactician. I watch his teams and I love the system they play in, which is very similar to Daddy Rich's.

His ability to manage players is the only reason he does not have an NBA job. That question will never really be answered until someone gives him a shot.

I know this: they will never go into a game unprepared with Laimbeer.

[QUOTE=Kstat]
His ability to manage players is the only reason he does not have an NBA job. That question will never really be answered until someone gives him a shot.

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That and he's blackballed by a lot of folks. Plenty of people around the league have a genuine hatred for the man.

Yeah, I don't think he's going to be applying for any openings with MoTown's favorite team, or Indiana, or Boston, or the Bulls, or the Lakers (possibly).

Kstat, would you rather have us keep Curry through the season or fire him now and give big Bill his job?

i'd keep curry. installing any other coach at this point is simply setting him up to fail.

you mean it could get worse than this?

nope. Which is why you don't subject another head coach to a situation he can't change.

Kstat,

Do you have a birthday bash planned where only A-List celebrities are invited? Can fellow WTF members come, or are you above us now?

-Mo

Kstat,

Do you have a birthday bash planned where only A-List celebrities are invited? Can fellow WTF members come, or are you above us now?

-Mo

Nope.

Glad the Pistons remembered it, though. They actually came to play last night.

THanks for noticing, though.

should we sign luther head?

I'd take him next season as a 3rd guard, but I'm hoping we can draft Stephen Curry.

Do you mean Luther Head could be the 3rd guard off the bench (the 5th guard overall) or do you mean 3rd guard (1st guard off the bench)?

Do you mean Luther Head could be the 3rd guard off the bench (the 5th guard overall) or do you mean 3rd guard (1st guard off the bench)?

I think he could be a decent 3rd wheel in a 3-guard rotation, sure.

Not my first choice, but I'd take him over Flip Murray.

Now you've done it.

More baseless hate.

Murray is obviously the better player, but y'all just can't see it.

Kstat,

Why did your parents name you Kstat?
Or just generally, how did you arraive at that name?

nickname i was given way back in my HS days for my statistical knowledge, plus my first initial.

too bad you didn't crawl around on all fours.

You could have been Kdawg

You'd like to see Luther Head as our 3rd guard?

I hope that Kstat didn't let the Free Press thing go to his head.

Someone needs to remind him this is the age of Wizzle.

I hope that Kstat didn't let the Free Press thing go to his head.
Speaking of that, have you noticed more and more reports on "online comments." For example: Some Free Press writer reported about how inappropriate the online jokes about Corey Smith missing were. Who the fuck cares about what 14 year olds on message boards are saying?!?! These reporters need to go to YouTube to read the responses you see there.

Message to all you Freep writers who are trying to make it big (that means you, Chris Lau): You don't get to be the next Krista Janke by reporting bloggers' opinions and other shit you see on RealGM. Go do some damn homework and write an opinion piece about Curry's link to Al Queda.

Right. You become the next Krista Janke by marrying some random douchebag. (How inappropriate!)

^
:cogent:

Seriously...

Luther Head?

K...Will Rip average more points with CBill gone? Stuck doesn't take as many shots as CBill did. He should get more opportunities, No?

Seriously...

Luther Head?

better than will bynum...despite the bynum manlove on this board.

What's up with Miami taking all these 3pt shooting guards who cant really do anything but shoot the 3? Cook, quinn and head..

They have a guy named Dwayne Wade who actually holds the ball most of the game.

better than will bynum...despite the bynum manlove on this board.

What's up with Miami taking all these 3pt shooting guards who cant really do anything but shoot the 3? Cook, quinn and head..

When you have CHALMERS you can afford to draft specialists at other positions.

Also, Miami was doing a nice job rebuilding (thanks to Steve Kerr) until they put their eggs in the Jermaine O'Neal basket, IMO

Kstat/Cross/Everyone:

Unless I'm mistaken these are Luther Head's career numbers:

8.8ppg, 2.7 rebs, 2.3 asts, 1.3 tos, 42.2%FG, 39.2%3pt, 76.6%FT

What about him and his game makes you want to sign him and have him play as the 3rd guard?

Head to me is a solid depth guy but that is it. Not a guy you want in the the 8 of your rotation, but good as a 9th or 10th man perhaps.

I don't think he's any better than AA though.