Game 1 with the Pacers on Sunday:


8 minutes
2/3 FG
0/1 FT
1 asst
1 stl
4 pts
-2 +/-

Swat.

Bump.

Last night


19 minutes
4/12 FG
1/3 3FG
2/2 FT
3 reb
2 stl
1 TO
0 PF
11 pts
-6

Efficient.

11 pts in 19 minutes

That's what the man does, he's a hired gun.

People are bitching in Indianapolis that Flip Murray is stealing minutes from Andre Owens.

3/8 vs. Cle

21 minutes
6/13 FG
1/3 3FG
0/1 FT
3 reb
2 stl
4 ast
3 TO
1 PF
13 pts
+1

3/11 vs. Sea

14 minutes
4/7 FG
0/1 3FG
0/0 FT
1 reb
1 stl
1 ast
2 TO
1 PF
8 pts
-2

3/14 vs. Dallas

27 minutes
8/19 FG
2/4 3FG
4/4 FT
2 reb
1 stl
1 ast
2 TO
3 PF
22 pts
-8 (Pacers got blown out)

3/15 vs. Orl (got a start)

20 minutes
4/9 FG
0/0 3FG
3/4 FT
1 reb
3 stl
2 ast
3 TO
1 PF
11 pts
-1

Aw, hell yeah.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AgxGTQvPckyQSZ_jqxxxpu.8vLYF?gid=200 8031911

It's too bad they don't have a stat for "amount of time ball was in his hands."

My guess is somewhere around 24 mpg.

It's too bad they don't have a stat for "amount of time ball was in his hands."

My guess is somewhere around 24 mpg.


BUT WHO WON LAST NIGHT, THE PACERS OR THE PISTONS?

Pacers

Glenn is a paces fan? :kennythejet:

There's a great thread on pacers digest comparing flip murray to our acquisition of rasheed wallace 4 years ago....

Kstat, I hope to god you're kidding.

Kstat, I hope to god you're kidding.

Nope, when PD comes back online I'll link you to it.

http://www.pacersdigest.com/apache2-default/showthread.php?t=37846

here you go....

Most of his damage has come off his ability to create shots for himself! Moreover, he's starting to look for his teammates!
Ha, starting to look for his teammates. Little do they know.....

Finally, he is appreciated.

I'm happy for the man.

He's always appreciated in the beginning.

You know what we need? A Flip Murray emoticon. Not just a picture of him. We need a dude that dribbles all over the place, but gets nowhere.

Maybe Denny or -MOLA- can put a basketball in this guy's hand and we'll name it :Flip Murray:

[smilie=funnyguy.gi:

You know what we need? A Flip Murray emoticon. Not just a picture of him. We need a dude that dribbles all over the place, but gets nowhere.

Maybe Denny or -MOLA- can put a basketball in this guy's hand and we'll name it :Flip Murray:

[smilie=funnyguy.gi:

:carlos arroyo:

Don't hate.

:big swami:

You really are trying to become my nemisis. I feel trouble brewing.

No, not a nemesis, we just don't agree on EVERY issue.

Therefore... (http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?p=234293)

Mo, that is a beautiful idea.

I read something from a Pacer fan that said that he was upset that Joe Dumars sent Flip Murray to the Pacers to intentionally keep them from getting too high of a draft pick.

I laughed.

Oh yeah, that was the infamous, "We traded OJ Mayo for Flip murray" thread...

I read something from a Pacer fan that said that he was upset that Joe Dumars sent Flip Murray to the Pacers to intentionally keep them from getting too high of a draft pick.

I laughed.

So they think Flip is so good he'll screw them from a better draft pick? HAHAHAHAHAHA

A source said free-agent guard Flip Murray has been approached by Dynamo Moscow. The former Cavs guard had drawn some interest from Cleveland, but that was before the Cavs signed Tarence Kinsey. Dallas and Washington have also sent out feelers.

Murray has reportedly been offered a contract worth $2.5 million USD ($5 million gross) by Dynamo. Dynamo coach David Blatt also has his eye on former Hornets guard Jannero Pargo, who is being pursued by San Antonio and Denver. Those teams were offering a little more than $2 million. Pargo’s agent, Mark Bartelstein, is using the interest in Russia as leverage with the NBA clubs.

http://news-herald.townnews.com/articles/2008/08/10/sports/doc489e70ff6f55c301173198.txt

MORE DETAILS AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE

Is that one year or two?

Six months ago, Flip and his low-price expiring contract couldn't get us so much as a 2nd round draft pick.

Wow...

Now is he going to be their new starting PG or SG?[/snarky]

Signed with Atlanta today. One year deal.

If it was <$5 million, Flip = dumbass

Hawks need to move up those power rankings now.

Hawks sign veteran guard Murray


By SEKOU SMITH
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/13/08

The Hawks put the finishing touches on their roster Wednesday by signing veteran combo guard Ronald "Flip" Murray.

Murray, a 6-foot-3, 200-pound six-year veteran, finished the 2007-08 season as Indiana's starting point guard.

He played in 23 games with the Pacers, including starting the final 15 games of the season at point guard (the Pacers were 10-5 with him in the first five), averaging 11.0 points and 3.5 assists during that stretch.

"By signing Flip, it provides us with another experienced player who has the ability to play multiple positions for us," Hawks general manager Rick Sund said in a statement released by the team. "Because of his versatility, he will be a valuable asset for us as a reserve, and we look forward to the contributions he'll bring this season."

Murray is familiar with Sund's program, having spent parts of four seasons with Seattle while Sund was the general manager.

"Being with Rick in Seattle certainly gave me some familiarity with him and his program and how he likes to run things," Murray said Wednesday. "But I also looked at what was the best set for me. I looked at the situation with Atlanta and I also had a chance to sit down with [Hawks coach] Mike [Woodson] before anything was done officially and ask him what they were looking for. And he said a combo guard, somebody that can create their own shot. And I felt like that was the perfect fit for me."

Murray has played on five different teams in his six NBA seasons, including stints with the Pacers and Sonics as well as Milwaukee, Cleveland and Detroit, where he was for a season and a half before being released last season and then picked up by the Pacers.

He's averaged 9.3 points, 2.4 assists and 2.0 rebounds in his career and is also a seasoned playoff performer. Murray has played in 29 postseason games with totals of 5.1 points, 2.0 rebounds and 1.4 assists.

"Atlanta had a nice taste of it last year against Boston in a series I felt they could have won," Murray said. "But I'm sure those young guys realize now that it's not all fun and games when you get in the playoffs. They got to a certain point in that series but didn't have the experience to get over the hump.

"All that said, there is a lot of talent here. And there are a lot of young guys and lot of depth. But now it's all about [adding guys that have] experience."

Fri, Nov 7
Murray had 16 points and was 3-of-4 from 3-point range in the Hawks' 110-92 win over Toronto on Friday night.

Advice:
Murray has been a spark off the bench for the unbeaten Hawks, who signed the guard in the offseason. He's averaging 12.0 points and has made three 3-pointers in each of his last two games.

5-0

Flip Murray, watch

oC_Hb_bLzDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC_Hb_bLzDM

That, that, that was nasty george...

It's tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiime TOMAKESOMEDONUTS

That Kurt Hindlick and his Hindlick Maneuver... what a poster boy!

His Mom is still hot, tho.

Mrs. Hindlick.
Oh boy.

Wed, Jan 14
G Flip Murray played huge minutes off the bench for the Hawks in the loss to the Suns. None were bigger than the time he spent shredding the Suns' defense in the second quarter, when he scored 10 points to help engineer the Hawks' rally from an early 19-point deficit.

-Art

I remember Flip playing huge in many losses for us as well.

They failed to mention the 19 point defecit was caused because of Flip's 11 turnovers and 9% shooting.

So bitter.

http://www.lewisart.biz/pix/cleopatra.jpg

They failed to mention the 19 point defecit was caused because of Flip's 11 turnovers and 9% shooting.

And how his man probably scored twice that while he was out there. Also how his teammates never bothered to cross half court because they knew he wasn't going to pass until there were 2 seconds left on the shot clock.

http://www.lewisart.biz/pix/cleopatra.jpg

http://nrichie2345.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/bitterbeer.jpg

That's Cleopatra. Queen of denial.

And I assume the other pic is of Tahoe.

Art

That's Cleopatra. Queen of denial.
Quite fitting since you guys are all in denial that the man just came here and did what he was asked to do, all at a more than fair price.

Quite fitting since you guys are all in denial that the man just came here and did what he was asked to do, all at a more than fair price.

That's still a dumb argument even after the 300th time you've used it.

That's still a dumb argument even after the 300th time you've used it.

Denial, case in point.

^gutsy post

The Pistons are looking to sign Antoine Walker. He's going to shoot 20 three-pointers a game but it's okay because that's what he does.

At a reasonable price.

If that is what they were looking for and if he did it well, then so be it.

Joe wanted a slasher/scorer off the bench at a bargain price and that is what he got.

Towards the end, he was inactivated most nights and he never complained once, as far as I know, even though he was playing for his next contract.

You guys have so much venom for this guy playing for the vet's min, you'd think that he killed your dog or something.

I actually think most of us would have forgotten him by now if you didn't bring up threads every month or so to let us know that we were wrong about him.

The only reason he is trashed on this board is because you continue to bring back terrible memories.

Exactly, we don't care about Flip. We just like making fun of your love for him.

Sure.

Sure.

Okay so I'm going to go all Gutz on you here and provide a history of this thread:

- This thread was created on 3/4/08 by... GLENN.
- Conversation was had from 3/4 to 3/8 and then the thread died.

- 3/16/08: the thread is resurrected by GLENN.
Conversation until 3/21/08... thread dies.

- 8/11/08: Thread is resurrected by... you guessed it - Glenn.
Conversation until 8/13/08

- 11/10/08: Glenn attempts to resurrect the thread to no responses.

- 12/19/08: Thread resurrected by none other than Glenn. Conversation for a day until the thread dies.

- 1/14/09 (today): Glenn again brings the thread back to life and accusses us of being obsessed with our hatred of Flip Murray.

:dismissed:

Say nothing of all the other threads where many here have done nothing but trash the guy.

I came clean a few months ago about this, I don't really care one way or another about the guy, I just find it amusing how much he was/is hated here for no good reason. It's enjoyable to bring it back up when he has success. If that is wrong, then I'm guilty.

For you "coming clean" is the opposite of stating you "don't care one way or the other" about the guy.

I wonder if this is how Tahoe feels about GW Bush?

But RFM's done nothing wrong of any serious consequence, howeva.

Hey hey hey WTF does Tahoe and my boy GDub have to do with this?

For you "coming clean" is the opposite of stating you "don't care one way or the other" about the guy.

I was trying to explain that liking him as a player is all an act. I probably worded that poorly.

Hey hey hey WTF does Tahoe and my boy GDub have to do with this?

Everything is his fault, right?

I was trying to explain that liking him as a player is all an act. I probably worded that poorly.

Yeah, I was calling you a liar.

Good one!

#69 Doh!

If that is what they were looking for and if he did it well, then so be it.

Joe wanted a slasher/scorer off the bench at a bargain price and that is what he got.

Towards the end, he was inactivated most nights and he never complained once, as far as I know, even though he was playing for his next contract.

You guys have so much venom for this guy playing for the vet's min, you'd think that he killed your dog or something.
Actually, he wasn't what we were looking for (unless we wanted a %41 shooter as our first scorer off the bench). I'm pretty sure Joe was banking on the %45 shooting and %31 from 3's he was putting up in Cleveland the year before. Not the %40.4 and %29 from 3's we got. And not the %41 and %22 from 3's we got the following year.

Joe was trying to get Jon Barry's replacement and we got Hubert Davis' replacement instead (who shot sub %40 here).

Face it, he regressed here in Detroit. That is why we bag on the guy.

He's playing well in Atlanta.

I don't remember him that much but he would either be on fire or couldn't hit shit, iirc. Inconsistent. If he could have been a lil more consistent...

I don't remember him that much but he would either be on fire or couldn't hit shit, iirc. Inconsistent. If he could have been a lil more consistent...

I'm going to consider that an endorsement.

I'm going to consider that an endorsement.

Is that about as good as it gets over the months?

You have to start somewhere.

What was :our: record with him in the starting lineup? I can't remember if it was good or not.

25 points on 11-13 shooting...

DBTM rekonizes.

DBTM just ruined the streak...

23 pts on 9 for 12 last night and +22

Throw in five boards, three assists, three steals and a single turnover.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Akm5LNXyG6jRXho7BlUibKG.PKB4?gid=200 9013001

He's shooting over 51% from the floor over the past month, btw.

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/nba/players_l/20081111/3639.jpg?

Does anyone think he'll get a multiyear offer after this season?

Does anyone think he'll get a multiyear offer after this season?

No.

This really should have been swatted long ago. MoTown showed that it's really just Glenn talking to himself.

And DBTM, Mxy and others proved otherwise.

Plus, your assertion, if true, just proves my point that many here shun the guy, unnecessarily.

Sun, Feb 1 Murray scored 18 points (7-for-15 FG, 1-for-1 FT) with three assists, three treys and three boards in 27 minutes off the bench Saturday night.

Recommendation: Murray continues to be in a scoring zone, averaging 18.2 points in 27.6 minutes in his last five games.


(RotoWire.com)Sat, Jan 31 G Flip Murray did his usual in the first half against the Bucks. He came off the bench with guns blazing, scoring seven points on 3-for-8 shooting from the floor in just nine minutes.


(Yahoo! Sports)Thu, Jan 29 G Flip Murray continues to heat up every time he hits the floor. He had nine points in his first eight minutes against the Knicks, doing everything an instant-offense reserve is supposed to do when called upon.

Deny it all you want, the guy is having a very good year.

You know he's available in our league Glenn.

If I needed a SG, I wouldn't hesitate.

I had him in my sights this morning, actually, but I had another need to fill.

basketball-wise, not emotionally

Deny it all you want, the guy is having a very good year.
No one is denying anything. No one is saying anything about the guy except you.

And you can't have it both ways. You can't say people are either talking about him or no one is talking about him BECAUSE they are so concerned about him. This thread really is the worst one at WTF.

Talk about a self fulfilling conspiracy.

I'm seriously laughing at that post.

If it makes you feel better, we can swat this and you never have to open it up again.

Not that you need to open it where it is now.

Everyone laughs at this thread. You are a complete joke in it.

And you can play the "just don't open the thread" card on every single thread that has ever been swatted. That's not the criteria for a swat and you know it.

One of us is having fun.

It's even more fun when I think about all of the different incarnations of the "Memo Owns" thread.

Um, I link to that thread during Utah games. That thread is actually true as well, another distinction from this one.

I understand you are enjoying this and what's sad is that only you would read my last couple of posts as feeding into your incredibly distorted perception that people care about this dude.

Meanwhile, I'm waiting for you to come through on your "we can swat this at any time" statement. I can't swat it. But no one is stopping you and I believe I am not the only one who has stated its swat-worthiness.

You know he's available in our league Glenn.

D's Nuts claimed him.

LOL, passive aggressive to the end.

pushing buttons

If this was Deadspin, I'd vote DISAPPROVE.

:flipfor30andthewin:

The Hawks built a 26-point lead in the third period before Minnesota got it to 10 at 80-70 with 6:08 left on Bobby Brown’s 3.

That’s when Murray, who had 14 points in the second quarter, took over with four 3-pointers in a three-minute span to give the Hawks a 103-83 lead with 2:27 left. He was 12-of-18 overall and five-of-eight on 3-pointers and finished one point shy of his career high.

“He’s been big all year coming off the bench,” Johnson said of Murray. “He brings a lot of energy. He’s definitely a scorer in this league.”

Murray is averaging 11.6 points, while playing 23.5 minutes a game.

“I came out aggressive, which allowed me to open stuff up,” Murray said. “We swing the ball and make the extra pass to the open person. I think I got a lot of those shots tonight.”

Well, he's shooting %46 this year. He never shot over %41 here. He's a career %42 shooter even with his best year (this year) factored in.

So, there is a reason why he's not here. props to him for having a solid year. Too bad it took him 7 seasons and 6 teams to do it.

don't hate, appreciate

READ IT ALL


Made in North Philly
N. Phila. playground legend crosses over to NBA

By Mike Jensen
Inquirer Staff Writer
Posted on Tue, Mar. 24, 2009

All over the neighborhood, the word was out. Flip was back. Ronald "Flip" Murray had been academically ineligible for his senior season at Strawberry Mansion High. His exile ended just before the Public League playoffs.

"I saw some people I knew - they were like, 'Yeah, I got off work today, Flip is coming back.' They were comparing it to when Jordan came back to the United Center, after he had retired," said Littel Vaughn, who puts out Checkball magazine, about Philly hoops.

If memories haven't faded, Murray's first game back was a home game, against Olney High. At that time, Flip used to pack Strawberry Mansion's gym for intramural games. To get in for this one, for Flip's return, you had to know somebody at the door.

http://media.philly.com/images/20090324_inq_norflip24z-d.JPG
Ronald "Flip" Murray is lifted by Shaw fans after the North
Carolina school won the 2002 CIAA tourney. Murray, a product of Strawberry
Mansion, was the Division II national player of the year as a senior.

"He got three straight dunks," said Kevin "Buzz" Forney, the other star on that Strawberry Mansion team, who went on to play at Duquesne. "One of our fans stopped the whole game and came out and gave him a hug."

Flip sat down at the end of the bench, next to the security guard. Not because he'd be last to get in. He'd be first.

"I can see everything," Murray said of his favored perch. "How they're guarding our players, the stuff they're running."

The opponent that night wasn't Olney. It was the Boston Celtics, defending NBA champions. As soon as Murray got out there, first off the bench for the Atlanta Hawks, he belonged. During a time-out late in the game, the overhead scoreboard showed a highlight - a Flip highlight from a few minutes earlier, a simple shoulder fake and a shot. A Celtics defender sliding one way, Flip suddenly open, knocking down a jumper.

Typical Flip stuff. Olney, Gratz, the Celtics.

"Flip just balls - he doesn't care," said Steve Rosenberry, director of pro personnel and college scouting for the Hawks who compares Murray to former NBA star Vinny Johnson for the offensive firepower he brings off a bench.

Rosenberry told a story he'd heard from another team's pregame scouting session this season, how when Flip's name came up, "guys pay attention." Flip probably won't be the leading scorer in a game. He's capable of something worse, Rosenberry said, a trait that actually gets to the heart of players' fears: "He can embarrass you."

A basketball story
Flip's tale isn't a morality play, just a basketball story, a crossover move on the conventional wisdom. Flip took a different ladder to the NBA. He never played Division I college ball - "I wanted to play Division I so bad," he admits - but he was never eligible, even after two junior colleges. He'll be the first to say he spent his junior-college summers shuttling between 33d and Diamond and 16th and Susquehanna instead of at summer school. Needing players, a Division II coach took a flier, trusting a friend from Philly who'd been dunked on himself by Flip.

If that hadn't happened, Flip may have crossed over to another basketball archetype, the playground legend who never made it out.

"I thought it was about to be a done deal for me," Murray said.

Flip earned his reputation the old-fashioned way - on the playgrounds.

"He's probably the only guy I never wanted to guard," said Erik Hood, who played against Flip for Simon Gratz High, played with Flip on the AAU circuit, and now plays professionally in Germany.

"His moves just reminded me of playing PlayStation - he could cross you over and rise above you, man - like NBA Live moves, PlayStation moves," said Forney, who may have played with Flip more than anybody in Philly.

A crossover isn't exactly new to the playground.

"His crossover is different - his crossover is to punish you," said Dominique Stephens, now the head coach at Cheyney University, who faced Murray on the playground and has war stories. "You're just about touching, face to face. It's just too quick - once he gets you on that first one, his next two steps are going to the basket. You're looking to see if somebody is there to help out - it's too late."

Hood remembers the day Murray dunked on Stephens at 33d and Diamond, the ball landing on the head of the older man. But it was the first part of Flip's move that made the lasting impression. Flip did a crossover move that had another guy out of bounds chasing air.

"I played with Kobe at the same age - that was around the same era," Hood said, calling from Berlin because he had Flip stories to share. "I've never seen a play like that in my life, live. The guy ran out of bounds."

"Flip had a bigger playground game than he did a school game," said Vaughn, a veteran chronicler of North Philly hoops. "He had a pro game even though he didn't really play much high school ball yet. . . . People in the neighborhood, they already knew. And then there was another young guy, Buzzy. That was the talk. Wherever Flip and Buzzy played, everyone went. They made up rap songs about the two of them."

Buzz Forney remembers all that, too.

"There was this one kid," Forney said, remembering his name, Nathan Price. "The top songs on the charts at the time, he would reverse them and change them and put us up, put our name on them, and have the whole school, nearly the whole city, singing those songs."

Not a role model
Flip, who turns 30 in July, doesn't hold himself up as the poster child for how to get to the NBA. He should come with a warning label: Don't try this at home.

"I was still young - not going to class, that was a mistake," Murray said. "Playing around, cutting school, that was a mistake. Not thinking about my grades, just thinking about basketball all the time."

Murray also said something else: "I don't regret nothing I did. I don't believe in all that. What happened happened. I was able to bounce back. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, that's always been my belief."

If he'd gone to some basketball prep school and gotten his grades or score up to qualify for Division I?

"I'm quite sure if I had gone to the Catholic League and gotten my grades right, gotten to Division I, it would have made my trip here easier," Murray said. "The trip here was hard, but it makes you humble - sometimes, as quick as it comes, it can go."

Stephens, the current Cheyney coach, gave the initial heads-up to the Shaw University coaches about Flip. He was playing pickup games against Flip one winter at Central High. Stephens played college ball at North Carolina Central with both the head coach and assistant at Shaw, who had just taken the job and were looking for players.

They wanted another Philly guy, Jarrett Kearse. Stephens told them: Take Murray, too. Kearse had proven himself in Division I, playing at West Virginia. But Murray was better. Litell Vaughn was involved in those conversations, backing up Stephens.

"Flip was a different kind of North Philadelphia guy," Stephens said. "He was kind of quiet on the court, he was a guy who let his talent speak for itself. He respected the older generation. He kind of did his homework, as far as knowing who the streetball legends were and just being like, if I'm going to embarrass you, I'm going to embarrass you on the court, not running down the court talking. He just was a listener, then he let his talent show."

Murray ended up being Division II national player of the year as a senior. NBA scouts showed up regularly at Shaw, but Vaughn believes Murray didn't go in the first round because the risk was too great. A personnel director could get fired if a D-II player didn't pan out after being picked that high - safer to take him in the second round. Flip went 42d to Milwaukee.

"One workout, he was with Frank Williams from Illinois - they had Frank projected to go in the early teens, projected to be the third guard drafted," Vaughn said of Williams, who eventually went 25th in the draft. "I think Flip messed his money up. He embarrassed him so bad, Frank slipped."

This never changed: Flip always had the narrowest of paths to make it. His big break came late in his rookie year when he was traded from Milwaukee to Seattle as part of the Ray Allen-Gary Payton trade. Not that Seattle knew what it was getting.

"He made the money work," said Rosenberry, who was a scout for Seattle at the time, remembering that either Flip or another player Jamal Sampson, would have made the deal work financially. Milwaukee had its choice and decided to keep Sampson because he was taller. (Sampson's out of the NBA now. His last stop was in China.)

Early the next season, in 2003-04, Flip's second in the league, Allen got hurt. That was Flip's really big break. He had to play and scored 20 or more points in 10 of his first 12 starts. Even after Allen got back, Murray was in the rotation, and averaged 12.4 points, getting in all 82 games, after playing just 14 as a rookie.

The fact is, nobody can claim credit for Flip's success except Flip. He's never gotten the really big contract - there's always a reason to keep the chip on the shoulder - but for $1 million to 1.5 million a season, he's moved from Seattle to Cleveland to Detroit to Indiana to Atlanta. Teams know what they're getting. He's actually more valuable to a good team. He might look like just another gunner on a bad team. He'll take shots in a hurry, create energy, turn the ball over sometimes. But for the Hawks, he's proved to be an ideal complement to starting point guard Mike Bibby and shooting guard Joe Johnson. He spells both, averaging 23.4 minutes. On Saturday night, he played 22 minutes against Cleveland, scored 22 points.

Asked one night after a game at the Nets why Murray had played more than Bibby, Hawks coach Mike Woodson simply said, "Flip had it going."

Keeping it real?
The DVD is of an artist at work. A rookie LeBron James trying to guard Flip, tripping over his feet. Are they D-Wade and Kobe, victims of Flip crossovers? Kevin Garnett glaring at Flip after Flip beat him on a drive. Flip dunking, 50 Cent rapping in the background. Then a whole compilation of warp-speed crossovers.

"This is the last copy. Nobody has them anymore," said Kareem Williams, handing it over for a viewing.

The DVD cover looks professional. It has Flip in his Seattle uniform, holding a ball. UNDERGROUND LEGEND. FLIPSIDE, THE DVD.

The title fits his career perfectly. The tape was made by a North Philly guy named Coconut who did some work for And1, the apparel company. The Flip highlights on the tape weren't exactly licensed for distribution by the NBA, and 50 Cent presumably didn't get any royalties, but it seems like everybody in Strawberry Mansion has seen that tape, made in 2004. A couple of current Strawberry Mansion High stars said they'd seen it. Vaughn said he used to have copies but gave his last one to Ray Felton, the Charlotte Bobcats point guard. Vaughn made about a dozen phone calls trying to find a copy before reaching Kareem.

The tape shows Flip taking over the NBA rookie-sophomore game in 2004. In that kind of game, Flip knew he could bring out some 33d and Diamond moves. One time, he faked a crossover, with Kirk Hinrich facing him. Flip wrapped the ball around Hinrich and placed the ball on Hinrich's back for a second, like a Globetrotters move.

"Kirk got mad, actually," said Kareem Williams, who was at the game and has been friends with Flip since sixth grade.

Williams said he was down in Atlanta recently with Flip and he brought the DVD. They were laughing watching it.

"They moves he put on LeBron, he put on me in sixth grade," Williams said. "It's always been him. The last three or four years, it's been toned down."

Flip knows that the moves may be refined - he's a long way from the playground now - but they're still in his arsenal.

"I'm able to get to the basket at will," Murray said himself the morning after he'd taken on the Celtics. "That's what got me here."

Murray also said something else: "I don't regret nothing I did. I don't believe in all that. What happened happened. I was able to bounce back. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, that's always been my belief."

TRANSLATION

It Happened.

READ IT ALL

No.

Cheerleader.

Fun hater.

Flip gets himself some SMOY love...

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/04/24/terry.20090424/index.html

Bump. Flip killed it last night.

He had the running, step back going. Its the craziest looking shot, but it worked last night.

Get this shit out of the Stands. Flip destroyed them last night... AND got himself a postgame interview. That's huge!

If LBJ can create a crab dribble, Flip can have a running, step back.

And told it like it was about his teammate and that showboating. Flip isn't about showboating. He's about hard nose BBall.

Get this shit out of the Stands. Flip destroyed them last night... AND got himself a postgame interview. That's huge!
He's banned from all discussion in the NBA forum by popular request.

Plus we can't have you gloating over 2 threads...Spurs done and now this.

I think that's probably at the heart of the matter, Tahoe.

At least for some people.

He's banned from all discussion in the NBA forum by popular request.

I don't have a problem with discussing him. I just don't think it's fair to compare Stuckey to him.

Flip is what he is...a hired gunner and that's it. Problem is he shot too low a FG% here to be a consistent bench player.

He's banned from all discussion in the NBA forum by popular request.

That's fucked up. If he has a second huge game, by default he should be reintroduced into the WTFNBA fold.

If he sucks monkey balls in the next game, I'll never speak his name again.

Deal?

No, because somebody might compare Stuckey to him and upset Chris.

jk

I don't have a problem with discussing him. I just don't think it's fair to compare Stuckey to him.


Why not blame DraftExpress? They obviously have no idea what they are talking about.

I don't care about what they think. They make those comparisons before the player ever plays a minute in the NBA. I care about comparisons once they get some PT in the NBA.

No, because somebody might compare Stuckey to him and upset Chris.

jk

One man is NOT a mountain (unless you're name is Gl'enn)

One man is NOT a mountain (unless you're name is The Tahoe)

THE Tahoe???? Build ONE stinking house and suddenly he's Gl'enn.

A do build one house....at a time.

I BUILD, therefore I AM

BTW...

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6217/picture3bqu.png

vs.

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/9007/picture5tbf.png



Fuck you, Denny!

6 years vs 1 year experience. Nuff said.

6 years vs 1 year experience. Nuff said.

Wilfredo Ledezma, join date 10/8/2006

Bukdow, join date 6/12/2007

Wil has more experience, but they're equal in all else.

BTW

http://www.stuckeyandmurray.com/

漢字仮名交り 漢字 仮名交 じり文 Flip Murray 漢字仮 名交漢字仮 名!!

eGowWqPl8qE

Denny let me be the first to tell you that you are bringing your A game to this discussion.

A as in Alleviate my boredom between projects by typing worthless gobbeldigook within a worthless thread in a semi-entertaining forum?

Then, I must say, yes.

F*** M***** is dead to me.

Now you're falling in line!

If I refer to him as Clit Furry, is than within the rules?

I can't beleive you are the first to use Clit Furry in relation to Flip.

Surely someone else beat you to it?

I can't beleive you are the first to use Clit Furry in relation to Flip.

Surely someone else beat you to it?

And now it's copyrighted.

Clit Furry®

Uh oh... there's still a pulse....

did you see that drive he just made?

did you see that drive he just made?

Ummm... who?

Flip fuckin Murray douche bag. Isn't that the thread title for chrissakes

Clit Furry?

Clit Furry®?

Yes, I know THAT name.

HOTT

Atlanta's first order of business this offseason: Addressing its point-guard position, after Mike Bibby showed his age (31) and faltered badly vs. the Cavaliers. Atlanta's best moments, few as they were, came with Bibby on the bench and Flip Murray on the floor. Bibby is a free agent this summer, but the Hawks won't re-sign him if he's looking for big money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2009/05/16/2009-05-

It would be hilarious to watch Flip Murray try and start for a team. Hilarious.

But oh, so entertaining here each day.

LLTP gave Flippity a shout out today, too.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0518/nba_g_fmurrayts_203.jpg

Bret LaGree of Hoopinion (http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2009/05/2008-09-season-review-rick-sund.html): "Considering both the ownership situation and his brief tenure I'm going to give Rick Sund the benefit of the doubt for the time being. I don't believe that's simply a matter of being fair. By signing Flip Murray and Maurice Evans for a combined $4 million he earned the benefit of the doubt. The veteran pair combined to ably back up three positions while helping to accelerate the team's transformation, one which started following last season's trade for Mike Bibby, from an offense incapable of making three-point shots into a more diverse and dangerous team to guard."

Who the fuck is Bret LaGree and why does his opinion matter at all?

Ho opinion? Strong glen.

I got it from ESPN.com, I don't know or much care who the guy is.

That was our point.

Mar 20 2009, 05:58 PM

Hindsight = 20-20.

The biggest mistake, so far, IMHO, signing Flip to a ONE YEAR DEAL.

Yep. He's been great for the Atlanta Hawks this season. Not having him
locked up for more than one year MAY come back to bite us on the donkey.

Sure, apparently we didn't know what we were getting. Now we know.
Hope we can keep him and at a reasonable price. Seeing what he is doing
is sure to raise the price of a new contract. At least, it should.
lol
http://www.hawksquawk.net/community/lofiversion/index.php/t335863.html

You are highlighting that this has been a contract year performance? You sure that's the best plan?

"Plan", lol.

Flip Murray may return home to play 4 Sixers next year.

Why not? They lost Andre Miller, so they need a new POINT GUARD.

BOBCAT

Now watch Flip SHINE

Bobcats add Flip Murray . . .another nice move for Charlotte . . .playoff time!

Newest Bobcat is Iverson Lite, but he's OK with that
Murray's game is like all-star guard's, but with a cheaper price tag, less drama.

By Rick Bonnell
rbonnell@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Saturday, Oct. 03, 2009

Remember all that chatter over the summer about the Charlotte Bobcats needing Allen Iverson?

A talent scout from another NBA team describes Flip Murray as Iverson, only less so: Less drama, less expense, less tattoos.

"I can agree with that,'' Murray said Friday. "I know what my chances are to score. I'll be aggressive. But there are certain times in a game when you look for your shot and other times when you're driving and penetrating to open other people up.

"You have to know when it's time to drop it off to the big fella.''

That sums up why the Bobcats used their bi-annual salary-cap exception (worth $1.99million this season) to sign Murray just before the start of training camp. The Bobcats need his scoring (they were last in the NBA in points per game last season) and coach Larry Brown likes Murray's ability to play either guard position.

That Iverson Lite comparison speaks to a scorer's mentality with some point-guard skills. That's where the parallel ends, however: Iverson was a former No.1 overall pick. Murray played for Division II Shaw in Raleigh. He was a second-round pick by the Milwaukee Bucks in 2002, and has played for six NBA franchises.

Chaotic as all those team-changes might sound, there's a benefit to Murray: He's played for so many coaches, he adapts quickly to whatever his next employer runs.

"Most (offensive) sets are really the same, just with a little tweak to it,'' Murray described.

This latest move - from the Atlanta Hawks to the Bobcats - was particularly easy because Hawks coach Mike Woodson is a former assistant to Brown.

"Almost exactly alike,'' Murray said of the two systems. "So much of this stuff comes from when Woodie and Larry were coaching together.''

For Brown, the only surprise was Murray lasting so long on the free-agent market this summer, making him affordable for a team nearing the luxury-tax threshold.

"We got a great asset on a great contract,'' Brown said. "I feel bad for him (that he couldn't make more money) but we're very lucky to get him.''

Brown tends to pair Murray and small forward Stevie Graham (an ex-Indiana Pacers) as the ready-to-wear bargains on this roster.

"I consider Steve and Flip huge upgrades without giving up anything'' in trade, Brown said. "At this late date, to come up with two guys who are going to play for us is huge.''

Iverson lite = Flip only plays the slots at the casino.

This is a hell of a story.

60K is a huge fine.


Brown fined; Murray out for preseason

ESPN.com news services

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- The NBA has fined Charlotte Bobcats coach Larry Brown $60,000 for his actions surrounding his ejection from an exhibition game on Monday.

The NBA fined the Bobcats an additional $60,000 on Wednesday.

Brown was hit with two technical fouls by replacement referee Kevin Scott, then lingered on the court after being ejected in the third quarter. Scott called for security before Brown left for the locker room on his own accord.

The NBA fined Brown $35,000 for verbally abusing game officials and failing to leave the court in a timely manner. He was fined another $25,000 for publicly criticizing the referees.

The preseason incident is one of several involving replacement officials. The NBA has locked out the regular officials in a labor dispute.

The Bobcats also learned they will be without guard Ronald "Flip" Murray for the remainder of the preseason because of a left shin injury.

Murray was examined Wednesday and team doctor Glenn Perry determined Murray shows early signs of a stress reaction. The team has provided no timetable for his return.

Murray began experiencing pain in the last few days. He missed Monday's preseason loss to Atlanta and did not practice Tuesday.

The Bobcats signed the veteran just before the start of training camp and expect him to serve as a scoring shooting guard off the bench and a backup point guard.

Murray's injury comes as Bobcats starters Boris Diaw and Tyson Chandler are close to returning from ankle injuries.

I wonder if his wife is still hot.

We found out that she wasn't a few years ago, if I remember correctly.

Mrs. Brown?

No, Glan's wife.

yes, Mrs. Brown. seriouslydontbemadglan.

Shit. I don't remember that. I only remember seeing her at the Palace and her being how in those dress skirt suits she wore.

Forgot who it was and in what thread it was in, but someone posted pics.

Actually, go and check the "Remember when..." thread. I'm positive it's in there.

Thanks for keeping me in the know.

Fool, I found the thread.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11233&page=8

I'm pretty sure Mxy's post, the one that is blank, contained the pic in question.

Solid work TB.

While looking for a recent pic of Shelly Brown I found srt4b's girlfriend (http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/troy-oleary-wife-1.jpg).

The closure is magnificent.

I don't know who srt4b is, but I wish he was my second account.

G Flip Murray had a huge impact in the Bobcats' win over Atlanta Friday, He scored 15 points in 18 minutes, but just as important was the way he scored. Murray hit 3-of-5 from three-point range, long one of the Bobcats' weakest areas.
(Yahoo! Sports)

TIED A CAREER HIGH WITH 31 POINTS LAST NIGHT

on 86 shots?

^Straight H8

Solid work TB.

While looking for a recent pic of Shelly Brown I found srt4b's girlfriend (http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/troy-oleary-wife-1.jpg).

The closure is magnificent.

I can't believe Gla never responded to this.

I much prefer to stay on topic.

Flip was 13/21 last night, BTW.

G Flip Murray, a veteran combo guard, is outplaying both starting point guard Raymond Felton and backup D.J. Augustin severely and coach Larry Brown hinted, following a loss Friday in Milwaukee, that he might shake up the lineup. "He defends," Brown said of Murray. "And we're more efficient (offensively) with him right now, in my opinion."

If he played defense here, he would have stuck. All he did was shoot (and not well), so he was gone.

THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS!!!... AND HIS NAME IS FLIP MURRAY!!!

2 for 11... but what a dunkkkkkkkkk!!!!

Where's the LOVE???? Flip is on FIRE!!!

Flip Murray is on an exceptional hot streak of late. He followed up a game-changing three-pointer versus Cleveland Sunday with 25 points off 12 shots from the field versus Chicago.

(Yahoo! Sports)


Murray was 8-for-12 from the field, 3-for-5 from 3-point range and finished with 25 points Tuesday. He added two rebounds and an assist in almost 30 minutes off the bench.

Recommendation: Murray has been shooting the ball well lately and hitting big shots. His 25 points was his second highest scoring total of the season for him. He has been the first option off the bench at the guard and small forward position for coach Larry Brown.

Add the fucker...

I love that even LB loves him. 20 again last night off the bench.

LB has to love him - Flip is the only guy that can score the ball off his bench.

FG% means nothing - he's gotta launch it cause who else is gonna get the bench on the scoreboard? Nazr? Augustine?

That team is all kinds of fucked up. I'm waiting to see how long it takes before Stephen Jackson complains about something.

Jus' playing the right way!

The only thing fucked up about that team is that stupid Chandler\okafor deal. They're not a great team, there's only a few of those in the whole league, but this is the best team that they've had, especially defensively.

Flip flip flip flip!!!!

His "awesome" is the A in NBA

YOU HAVE ALL BEEN PUT ON NOTICE

Tyrus thomas to the bobcats for 1st rounder, acie law and FLIP MURRAY

per ESPN

Chicago = NBA Champs

Flip = The NEW Sausage King of Chicago

Murray with a S I C K dunk..go to Bulls. com after game for details...wow


One of the better slams I have EVER seen....right in the mug of McGee


Press room still buzzing about Murray's slam on McGee..sweet!

http://twitter.com/swirsk054

Got video?

it's on the game recap nba.com page for the wizards/bulls game tonight

It's a fine dunk. Hardly sick though. Magee is coming to help way late on the play. It's nothing like the dunk on Hinrich.

It's a fine dunk. Hardly sick though. Magee is coming to help way late on the play. It's nothing like the dunk on Hinrich.

IT'S FLIP!!! Anything other than a turnover is "sick"

How did that taste, PISTONS FANS?!?!

Like balls.

Lotto balls.

So Flip helps save the Pistons, yet again.

He only scored in loses when he was here, remember? 30 pts/game in the losses 2 pts/game in the wins.

Yes, he actually decided not to score when it looked like they were going to win.
He also could make it rain outside when it was sunny.

Yes, he actually decided not to score when it looked like they were going to win.
He also could make it rain outside when it was sunny.

Translation: I agree that when he did score on good squads it was while sacrificing the teams' game plan and pretty much fucking us over. He did get off plenty when the other team sent in their bench because they had already won though.

You lost me at the end there.

Doesn't really matter, you know the dude's a sniper and when he's given minutes, he snipes.

He doesn't keep getting hired every year because he kills your team. He plays the role that teams hire him for.

41% and 30%

Sniper.
http://www.thejump.net/humor/sniper.jpg

You used to think my Stuckey comparison was way off.

You used to think my Stuckey comparison was way off.

Is is. Flip has 3 point range.

You compared him to Stuckey?

Not me, but I guess Glenn does.

Flip is closer to BG than Stuckey.

FLIPILICIOUS

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1m6JIz/pippenainteasy.com/2010/03/31/flip-murrays-insane-half-court-hook-shot/

Rekonize.

Last night vs. Phoenix:

36 mins
23 Pts
9/12 FG
4/6 3FG
9 Rebs
4 Ast
1 TO
1 Stl

If you need it.

#215: dc,dh

#215: dc,dh

Flip's ready to date that chick in your av.

Marc Stein: After auditioning recently for Grizz, Flip Murray signs one-year deal w/Turkish power Efes Pilsen, which has reached final 16 of EuroLeague (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html) Twitter (http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html)

GRIZZLIE

http://www.basket-planet.com/ru/news/7435


YES!!

Jazz?


http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/09/qa-flip-murray/