Dodgers interested in Inge

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Dodgers interested in Inge

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I'll take a 6 pack of Dodger Dogs for Inge...just so we can keep Raburn in the bigs...

I'll take a solid RP for Inge just to buy time for Zumaya to stop getting hurt.

I'll take a 6 pack of Dodger Dogs for Inge...just so we can keep Raburn in the bigs...

If we can get a good deal I'd do it but it's not like Inge is just worthless. His versatility allows us so much more flexibility with how we set our roster. He's s luxury at his price which is the issue and if he's disgruntled it won't work but purely on value to the roster the Tigers would love to keep him if they could.

I'll take a solid RP for Inge just to buy time for Zumaya to stop getting hurt.


Nobodys going to give us anything decent for Inge. Not to mention, we will have to eat at least 40% of his salary if we do find a taker.

I want Inge to be traded, b/c it's obvious he's not happy, and we don't need any disgruntled ppl in the clubhouse (see Dmitri Young)...

cut out the cancer before it spreads, and either A) trade him for 25 cents on the dollar or B) designate him for assignment...

let a kid like Ryan Raburn, who's making 10% of Inge's salary, be the utility man...

I'd almost guarantee he'd hit a better avg. than Inge

There's a big difference between being able to play multiple positions and being able to play them well. If we can get a legit deal for him fine, but suggesting just cutting him and eating his salary is a little over the top for me.

Also, Ryan Braun's probably the only thing that kept Miggy from being the worst 3rd baseman in baseball last year. IF Inge is around, trust me, we'll be happy to have him to fill in and as a late inning replacement.

Either way, I'm guessing Raburn makes the team anyways. You have 12 pitchers, the starting 9, and Thames platooning with Jones, that's 22 for sure.

Three spots to go: It's down to a backup catcher (great if Inge can do it), a fifth outfielder (Freddy Guzman? Raburn? Inge?), and a backup infielder (Raburn/Inge).

The key is really wether Inge is catching or not. If not, Raburn's probably got to prove he can play occasionally in center, which is by no means a lock.

Santiago will be a backup IF, right? And unless Vance Wilson starts the season on the DL, I'm pretty sure he's still in their plans.

The Giants have been trying to work out a deal with the White Sox for Joe Crede for weeks now, if that falls through, SF might be another Inge possibility.

Santiago will be a backup IF, right? And unless Vance Wilson starts the season on the DL, I'm pretty sure he's still in their plans.
I was hoping they'd have Guillen back up at short and dump Santiago's weak ass. Maybe wishful thinking.

If Wilson can play great but last I heard he couldn't throw anybody out. If that's the case, I don't want him around until he's healthy.

I'll call DD this afternoon, we'll get this all squared away.

I was hoping they'd have Guillen back up at short and dump Santiago's weak ass. Maybe wishful thinking.

If Wilson can play great but last I heard he couldn't throw anybody out. If that's the case, I don't want him around until he's healthy.

I'll call DD this afternoon, we'll get this all squared away.

I think Carlos will backup SS. Thames will take 1B when that happens. I don't see Ramon getting any PT at SS.

The Giants have been trying to work out a deal with the White Sox for Joe Crede for weeks now, if that falls through, SF might be another Inge possibility.

Makes sense. They have one of the worst lineups ever right now.

The Giants are interesting, considering their team and the lack of Bonds, it would seem the smart move at this point would be to get rid of the senior citizens in their lineup and move some of their prospects up a little early - give fans a taste of the next generation of Giants.
What's particularly interesting about that is the fact that the top prospect in their organization is a 3B. However, he's only 17 years old and he's not projected to make it to the majors until 2011 (according to Baseball America). Hmmm, what player is available that could hold down third base and is under reasonable contract terms for at least 3 more years, isn't terribly old, is a good guy in the clubhouse, and has worked with young players before? I just don't know.
Downside is that the youth movement they would be wise to go with would thin out their farm system to the point of reliance on the guys we should be asking for in return.

Trade Inge straight up for Eliezer Alfonso? Please? Gives us a major-league ready catcher who is 3rd on their depth chart but would be capable of holding the backup position down here, since Wilson is a huge question mark and the next option likely isn't ready.

FWIW, if we had a deal with the Dodgers, the thing I would most like from them was Scott Procter. Durable middle reliever. A good reason to get rid of Jason Grilli (wishful thinking, I know).

Good points all.

There was an article in the freep about Dombrowski talking to Cubs GM Hendry (with whom he is good friends with) about swinging a deal to bring some relief pitching in here...

It doesn't mention who we'd be sending, or what we'd be getting, but I do know that the Cubbies do have a plethura of releivers (Wuertz, Cotts, Howry, Marmol, Guzman, Eyre, Ascanio, Gallagher, Marshall) and if they decide to keep their rule 5 guy on the roster, Lahey, then that will push at least one or two of those guys out of a roster spot...

If we deal Inge, we'll be getting back another bad player/contract, and likely an envelope in which to send that team additional cash. We aren't getting a prospect.

I don't care if we get a bad contract. I just want someone that fits a need without forcing out another player with good ability.

By the way, I think it is possible for us to get a prospect, depending on the team. Some teams simply to have anything at the major league level. Not that it will be a strong prospect, but a minor league player with some outside potential. Look at what we got for Craig Monroe, Omar Infante, Chris Shelton, Mike Maroth and Ugeth Urbina. If Dombrowski can get anything for those guys, I fully expect he can get something for Inge.

If we deal Inge, we'll be getting back another bad player/contract, and likely an envelope in which to send that team additional cash. We aren't getting a prospect.



We wouldn't get a bad contract, we would get a marginal "AAAA" player...

the type of pitcher we could get for a guy like Inge is somebody such as, say, Damaso Marte from Pittsburgh, or Steve Kline from San Francisco...somebody along those lines...

Inge started in CF yesterday, btw.

Dodgers 3B out for 2 months

VERO BEACH, Fla. -- Los Angeles Dodgers third baseman Andy LaRoche had no idea getting hit by a baseball could do so much damage.

LaRoche tore a ligament in his right thumb trying to catch a pickoff play at third base during Friday's 6-4 loss to St. Louis. He will have surgery Monday in Los Angeles and miss eight to 10 weeks, taking him out of a two-man competition at third and making Nomar Garciaparra the probable opening-day starter despite his own injury.

"I guess you can't say it's as bad as finding out someone died or something, but it's a shock," LaRoche said Saturday. "You don't believe it at first. I just got hit by a baseball, but it's just one of those things you've got to accept it."

LaRoche entered the game in the fourth inning as a pinch runner for Garciaparra, who was hit by a pitch on his right wrist.

A half inning later, the 24-year-old LaRoche was injured when catcher Danny Ardoin's pickoff throw to third deflected off runner D'Angelo Jimenez and jarred his thumb.

LaRoche batted .350 in nine spring games with a home run and two RBIs.

"I feel badly. I sat and talked to Andy this morning," Dodgers manager Joe Torre said Saturday in Jupiter. "... He seems to be fine, and we certainly will keep track of him on a regular basis."

Garciaparra suffered swelling and bruising from the hit and is day to day but X-rays found no serious problems.

"The thing with the hand is there are so many little bones in there you just don't know, so we just wanted to go make sure. Obviously, it was good to hear nothing was broken," said Garciaparra, who is batting .375 after hitting just .283 last season.

Garciaparra was scheduled to leave Wednesday for Beijing, where the team will play two exhibition games against the San Diego Padres.

LaRoche expected to return to Vero Beach by Wednesday or Thursday after his surgery so he can continue working out.

Though his thumb will be immobile at first, trainer Stan Conte told him his rehabilitation will begin with exercises such as playing video games, which is "not a bad way to rehab," LaRoche said.

After three to six weeks, he should be able to start hitting and throwing again.

"You just try to keep your spirits up and try not to miss a beat conditioning wise," LaRoche said. "You just hope and pray for a strong recovery."

Anyone think trades talks with Inge going to the Dodgers are about to heat up? Make it happen DD.

Per RotoWorld...


The Detroit Free Press reports that the Dodgers "have had internal discussions about trading for" Brandon Inge and speculates that the Tigers might ask for Scott Proctor in return.


I would really like this move. Proctor pitched a TON of innings in New York, and is very durable. He has an occasional blow up every know and then. But not as many as Jason Grilli. Having Proctor & Bazardo in our pen as long relievers would be a pretty above average long-relief tandem.

I would assume we would have to eat a hefty chunk of Inge's contract. But at this point, I think it's worth it.

Projected Bullpen (assuming Leyland keeps the traditional 7 relievers)

Bazardo- (out of options, pretty much a given to be on the squad)
Proctor
Seay
Byrdak
Miner
Rodney
Jones

Dare I say Jason Grilli gets DFA??? Or perhaps Miner would be odd man out since he still has options left. Personally, I wouldn't miss Byrdak much either. Bobby Seay makes him expendable.

Francisco Cruceta would defintely not make the squad either if this trade happens.


Not to mention, trading Inge would allow us to keep Raburn on the squad. And Raburn has alot more to play for than Inge since he's making about 10% of what Inge makes...plus he's just as versatile...

If the Inge/Proctor deal happens, post #14 in this thread would be deemed

Super:cogent:

Would that give me Hall of Fame status?

Or perhaps a subtitle under my name that says "Where SuperCogent happens"?

Closing in on a deal?
Posted by Lynn Henning on Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 6:33 PM

There are scouts paying close attention to the Tigers these days, no question. It is always that way when a player is being offered for trade.

Brandon Inge is that player. It is hard to fathom any scout sitting in the sun at Marchant Stadium Sunday not writing a dandy report on Inge.

He had a double and a vicious line-drive sacrifice fly to left. He had five assists at third base. He made two terrific plays, one on a neat back-hand and long throw behind the bag at third.

In other words, if you need a third baseman -- and the Los Angeles Dodgers do -- then Inge may well be your choice.

I have a gut feeling the Inge deal will get done this week. His market value will likely be no greater during the final week of spring camp than it is now. The Tigers are in a hurry to get this long, lingering issue behind them. It seems likely that something will happen in the next few days.

Inge, of course, wants to sign on with any team that will offer him a regular job at third base. My feeling, very firm, is that he will end up having a plus year for whatever club grabs him.

It's all because he has changed his approach at the plate (he should have made the same alterations last season, especially when coaches were on him to do just that) and is tattooing the ball the way Inge was always capable of doing.

He is a .241 career hitter who likely will never hit for a big average. But there is no reason he can't bat .260-.270 with 20-plus home runs.

When you play third base the way Inge can, that's satisfactory offense, especially for a guy who runs well and does the other things that can help a team win.

I'm as weary of writing about this situation as some people are of reading about it. But that ignores reality. This has been the single biggest unresolved personnel issue in the Tigers' spring camp.

A personal feeling is that the soap opera is about to end. If it doesn't happen this week, I'd be amazed.

I'll miss Inge. He was always one of my favorites.

I'll miss Inge. He was always one of my favorites.

Me too.

The dogers young 3B got injured (LaRoche?), do they are stuck with Nomar and NoOne at this point.

There was an article in the freep about Dombrowski talking to Cubs GM Hendry (with whom he is good friends with) about swinging a deal to bring some relief pitching in here...

It doesn't mention who we'd be sending, or what we'd be getting, but I do know that the Cubbies do have a plethura of releivers (Wuertz, Cotts, Howry, Marmol, Guzman, Eyre, Ascanio, Gallagher, Marshall) and if they decide to keep their rule 5 guy on the roster, Lahey, then that will push at least one or two of those guys out of a roster spot...

Pretty sure the Cubs aren't going to give up Wuertz, Howry, Marmol, Eyre, or Marshall.

That leaves the rest and no one has ever heard of them.

As of the 8th inning, 17 different position players has played today, but no Inge.

Routine day off, or is something getting close?

Pretty sure the Cubs aren't going to give up Wuertz, Howry, Marmol, Eyre, or Marshall.

That leaves the rest and no one has ever heard of them.

Why would the Cubs want Inge anyway? They have Ramirez at 3B and while I don't know their SS by name he has better numbers than Inge does.

Inge's wife

http://www.karmanos.org/uploaded_pics/Image/Tigers-Wives---Photo_DSC_01.jpg

I'm not sure why I was compelled to post that.

Magg's wife

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/det/images/community/y2007/daglyordonez_225.jpg

Okay, I'm gonna stop doing my Unc Mxy impersonation now.

http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_archives/9682/20080318/contract_talks_with_miguel_cabrera_continue/

still going into negotiations w/ Miggy...

again, I think it's imperative we get this thing done...

Well, if the LaRoche injury wasn't enough to motivate the Dodgers to go after Inge, this might be:

Dodgers' Garciaparra may miss Opening Day with broken right hand

Associated Press

PHOENIX -- Nomar Garciaparra has a broken bone in his right hand, and the Los Angeles Dodgers' third baseman might not be ready for Opening Day.

Garciaparra had an MRI on Wednesday in Los Angeles that revealed a microfracture. The Dodgers do not consider the injury to be as serious as a complete fracture of a bone, and expect to know more once the 34-year-old is examined Thursday by the team's medical staff in Arizona.

A two-time AL batting champion, Garciaparra was hit by a pitch March 7 and has had pain in his hand ever since, making it difficult to swing a bat. He's had two X-rays and two MRIs, neither of which showed any structural damage in the area where he was struck.

"We'll see where Nomar's at in another week or so, and in the meantime, we'll continue to see if we can figure out [a replacement] from within or outside," general manager Ned Colletti said Wednesday.

Garciaparra took batting practice Tuesday, and had been throwing without any problems.

Tony Abreu and Blake DeWitt are thought to be the leading candidates to start at third on Opening Day if Garciaparra is not ready, although the 22-year-old DeWitt has never played above Double-A.

"Blake DeWitt's got a hell of an opportunity to hang out with the big boys," Dodgers manager Joe Torre said Wednesday.

Asked whether DeWitt is ready to play in the majors, Torre replied: "Some people are saying yes, some people are saying maybe. Nobody says for sure that he's not ready."

It's also possible the Dodgers might trade for a third baseman.

Garciaparra and prospect Andy LaRoche were expected to compete for the third base job when spring training began, but LaRoche tore a ligament in his right thumb the same day Garciaparra was hit in the hand. LaRoche is expected to be sidelined at least until the middle of May.

Man, karma is just begging the Dodgers to make a deal for Brandon.

I sure hope it happens.

Scott Proctor would look mighty sexy in that Olde English D.

Our bullpen needs something, for Christ's sake!!! MAKE THE CALL DD

Giants are now looking at Inge


More likely, the Giants will trade for a third baseman such as Brandon Inge, Joe Crede or Wes Helms - Sabean said he has engaged in conversations about third basemen over the past two days - or go with some combination of Frandsen and Velez

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8632098?nclick_check=1


They don't have the same type of excess bullpen talent like the Dodgers have, but at this point, I'd take anything.

I doubt we could pry a guy like Jonathan Sanchez from them, but one guy I think we could get is Steve Kline, he's not as good as he was when he was a Cardinal, but I'd say he's a better option than Tim Byrdak or Denny Bautista...

and off the top of my head, I believe Kline is a lefty...but I'm not sure...

something to keep an eye on...

With Fernando Rodney and Joel Zumaya out for undetermined lengths of time, the Tigers have continued trade talks with clubs that have surplus relief pitching. Chicago Cubs right-hander Michael Wuertz has emerged as one of the Tigers' targets. Wuertz, 29, appeared in 73 games last year, with a 2-3 record and 3.48 ERA. The Cubs have considered adding another right-handed hitter, and they are believed to have some interest in Brandon Inge and Marcus Thames. The San Francisco Giants have also asked about Inge.
So we could trade Thames for Wuertz then Inge to San Fran or the Dodgers and help shore up our bullpen, potentially?

I don't think they'll move Thames. With Maybin gone and Maggs on the older side they can't afford to give up too much OF talent. I think they hope Thames will get better at improving his average over time and maybe be an everyday player when Maggs is done here.

I don't think they'll move Thames. With Maybin gone and Maggs on the older side they can't afford to give up too much OF talent. I think they hope Thames will get better at improving his average over time and maybe be an everyday player when Maggs is done here.


I would move Thames, he's not really an ideal everyday player. I think Hessman could fill his role if needed. Both have similar power, and Hessman has the position flexibility (1B, 3B, LF, RF, DH).

If it came down to Thames being the difference of adding a guy like Wuertz or staying pat, I think we could manage letting him leave...

I like Thames alot, but it's not like we're lacking power hitters though ya know??

Farewell to the Chief?

WASHINGTON (Map, News) - If baseball experts are right, the Nationals won’t have to worry about the N.L. East race. They won’t be in it.

But the race that might interest them the most is in the A.L. Central. Or, at least, that’s the one that Chad Cordero might need to monitor.

The word is, Detroit is tracking the Nats reliever in case their bullpen falters them in the first half of the season. If that happens, then the Tigers would start serious trade talks for Cordero (provided he’s healthy and pitching well), the Nats closer since coming to Washington in 2005.

A source close to the Tigers said the team already talked to Nats General Manager Jim Bowden during spring training about Cordero. Look for those talks to heat up if the Nats are out of the race and the Tigers’ bullpen is struggling.

I'm looking for a Jason Grilli rumor.

Anybody?

Please?

Rumor: Jason Grilli has pictures of Jim Leyland and Tony Larussa naked and rubbing oils on each other. ONLY explanation possible. Todd Jones and Neifi Perez are the only other people with copies of this photo.

I think it would take alot to get Chad Cordero, he'd be an A+ addition to the team however, but with it being clear we need a piece for our pen, I find it hard to believe Jim Bowden is just going to hand him to us...

I would suspect it would take a Jeff Larish or a Scott Sizemore along with a PTBN to get a guy like him.

Now if I were DD, I would make that move, we have the draft coming up in a couple months, and we can afford to let a guy like Larish go, since he is already 25 yrs old and Guillen is signed long-term.

If Inge can keep up his solid play, perhaps he can be moved...though I doubt now that the Tigs would want to give him up, given our lack of depth

Our pen hasn't been that bad thus far, except for Jason Grilli, which shouldn't surprise anybody.

Bautista has been great, I love his stuff.

Lopez, Seay, Miner, Jonesy, Bazardo have all done fine.

Cordero just went on the DL with shoulder problems.

Sounds like a true Tiger to me.

Kyle Snyder was just DFA today by the Red Sox to make room for Josh Beckett who comes of the DL tomorrow. Snyder was with the squad the entire year last season and is a solid long reliever, also Steve Kline was released today by the Giants after not being claimed on waivers.

If we don't at least consider both of these guys, it's downright negligent.

Francis Beltran?? Aquilino Lopez?? I don't give a fuck how many scoreless innings they give you when we're already losing, time to get some legit, proven veterans in here, not AAA journeymen...

Say we're able to get Snyder, Kline, and call up Aaron Fultz from AAA in about a week...

They would take the spots of Beltran, Lopez, and perhaps Grilli (I hope).

All of a sudden your looking at a bullpen of

Yorman Bazardo (R)
Zach Miner (R)
Denny Bautista (R)
Aaron Fultz (L)
Steve Kline (L)
Kyle Snyder (R)
Bobby Seay (L)
Todd Jones (R)

...now if we do decide to keep 13 pitchers, I would say that a bullpen like that is definitely an upgrade compared to what we got going on right now...

Per RotoWorld...


The Boston Herald reports that the Red Sox are "looking to trade" Kyle Snyder and the Tigers, Rays and Phillies have expressed interest.

Now I'm not going to go out and say Kyle Snyder is the answer to all our problems, but he's a far better option, and more proven, than Zach Miner, Francis Beltran, Yorman Bazardo, and Jason Grilli...

Snyder was on the WS team last year, and the only reason he was DFA, was b/c the Sox have TOO MUCH pitching and Snyder was out of options...

Hopefully we can acquire him, it shouldn't cost us too much...probably a PTBNL

also, Steve Kline signed with the Phillies, so that's no longer an option, I can only hope Dave took a look at him, especially since Leyland is craving for another lefty...

Kline's probably better suited for the NL anyway...

Kline's probably better suited for retirement anyway...

Kline > Grilli, nuff said...

even you can't deny that Glenn, it's not about getting a standout, it's about getting something thats better than what we have...and Kline, despite his decline the last few years, is easily the better option than Grilli, IMO

But if they signed him, would they cut Grilli or someone else?

But if they signed him, would they cut Grilli or someone else?


It doesn't matter, he already signed w/ Philly


But Kyle Snyder is a guy we're looking at, my guess is if we got him, than either Grilli or Beltran would go...

2 guys are going to go anyway, b/c we cant keep carrying 13 pitchers for too much longer...

and Grilli, Bazardo, Lopez, and Beltran are all out of options

Miner might be as well, I'm not sure, but I don't think we would DFA him anyway

Screw it, drop Grilli. Not sure which of the others I'd get rid of.

Screw it, drop Grilli. Not sure which of the others I'd get rid of.


If we DFA'ed Grilli, he would almost certainly be claimed on waivers, he has tremendous stuff for a reliever (fastball is 96, 97 MPH), he just doesn't know how to hit his spots, not to mention he's not making much money, I'd have to think a handful of National League teams would take a chance

We'd probably get nothing in return (think Roman Colon to KC trade), but I just really think his days are numbered, My guess is he will get a chance this upcoming series to try again, and if he bombs that one, bam....pink slip

Potential Bullpen Trade Targets

* Luis Ayala- Nationals

* Jon Rauch- Nationals- probably out of our league, his stock has risen considerably the last couple years

* Chad Cordero- Nationals- wouldn't take as much as you'd might think, he's a quality reliever, but since his velocity has come down since '06, on top of the fact he's a free agent after '09, it's definitely possible

* Michael Wuertz- Cubs- lefty, durable, but not always reliable

* Scott Eyre- Cubs

* Neal Cotts- Cubs- has digressed since being traded by the White Sox, once had a promising career as a realiable lefty, now he's looking like a AAA fixture, Cubs almost gave him to us as the PTBNL for C-Mo, but gave us Rapada instead...

* Damaso Marte- Pirates- I've always liked Marte since he was w/ the White Sox, he's a hard thrower, but can also get into trouble sometimes

* Julian Tavarez- Red Sox- they've been trying to unload Tavarez forever now, he's overpaid given his role, but he's a veteran pitcher who has ties to Leyland

* John Grabow- Pirates- solid reliever, wouldn't cost us all that much, and he's a quality arm

* Scott Proctor- Dodgers- innings eater, very durable, but can have pitching meltdowns every now and then

* Tyler Walker- Giants

* Tyler Yates- Pirates

* Matt Wise- Mets

* Scott Schoeneweis- Mets- way overpaid

* Greg Aquino- Orioles

* Joel Peralta- Royals

* Huston Street- Athletics- would take alot, probably don't have the right pieces to get Huston

* Mike MacDougal- White Sox

THE WORLD > Grilli

THE WORLD > Grilli


Was Grillis dad any good as a Tiger??

I'm not old enough to recall.

You know when the Marlins got rid of Grilli in the middle of '04, they won the WS, then when the White Sox got rid of him in the middle of '05, they won the WS

perhaps the trend needs to continue...

Kline > Grilli, nuff said...

even you can't deny that Glenn, it's not about getting a standout, it's about getting something thats better than what we have...and Kline, despite his decline the last few years, is easily the better option than Grilli, IMO

It's like asking if you want to keep the pile of shit with corn in it or the pile of shit without corn.

Which pile is better?

Which pile is better?

It doesn't matter, that's the point.

Enjoy your Cheerios with that visual, btw

or Corn Pops

I'm coming to really dislike sugary cereals.

Per ESPN:


"Here's another pitching name to file away for your pre-deadline rumor mill: Nate Robertson. The Tigers have told clubs they might have a left-hander available in a few weeks. And it certainly wouldn't be Kenny Rogers or Dontrelle Willis. So that leaves Robertson, who won 13 games in 2006 but is only 11-18, with a 5.04 ERA, in the two seasons since.


"I'm not sure what to make of him," said one scout. "Last time I saw him, he cruised through four innings with shutout stuff and command of three pitches. Then he gave up a home run in the fifth, and it looked like the Titanic just sunk. He became totally different. I could still recommend him, but it wouldn't be a strong, this-guy-can-save-our-staff kind of recommendation.
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Nate is your typical "average" starting pitcher, he'd probably be better suited in the National League, IMO, and he'd might be able to bring in some decent value (definitely more than what Maroth brought in), the only tough thing is that we gave him a 3 year extension to buy out his arbitration years this past offseason, so he'll be making decent coin for a 5th starter...

you have to trade somebody, and at this point nobody's going to want Dontrelle...i'm all for it

I think we're starting to get to the point, where we're never going to recover from our slow start, even though nobody has exactly "run away" with the division, it's still not looking like we're going to take advantage of that...

If I was Dave here's what I would do, the trade deadline comes in about 7 weeks, and we have three valuable, expiring trade pieces on hand (Pudge, Rogers, Todd Jones), everybody needs pitching and Jones has yet to blow a save and Kenny's actually pitched well this year, and there's always going to be a market for Pudge, even though his game isn't what it was, he's better than most starting catchers, especially in the NL...

I say we try to move those guys, you could probably snag a decent prospect or two for each of them, and start building up to contend next year...bring up Porcello in August, try out Ryan Perry in September, we still have a tremendous core for next season...

we're like the '07 White Sox this year, they couldn't do shit right last year despite having a ton of talent, but got back on track...

I think this season is officially a lost cause, make some deals...build for '09

Between Kenny (8), Pudge (13), and Jones (7), that's close to 30 million dollars in expiring money, we can use that money, get a big time pitcher or two, and not even raise our payroll, Zoom will be our closer, and Inge our catcher in '09

I agree Wil... this year is a lost cause, let's deal our older yet still valuable pieces and get some prospects.

Yeah, except for the Porcello part. That's just crazy. Asking for trouble. Even if it works it's a mistake.

I agree with Vinny. If you're going to bring anyone up, bring up Bonine. He's won more games the past two years at Erie and Toledo than anyone and he's 27 years old. If he's going to get his shot it needs to be pretty soon. Porcello needs to continue his development. Calling him up this season might be the difference between a career as an above average #2 or #3 starter and All-Star.

Yeah I agree.... I don't want to see Porcello until the end of next year, preferably. Possibly later depending on how we get along without him.

Well, with Bondo down that ends the Nate trade rumors.

Yeah... :(

hopefully his new look can do something for him, lol.

Lynn Henning wrote an article about the possibility of the Tigs having a 'Fire Sale' in August and mentioning that guys who could be traded include Magglio, Polanco, Renteria, etc.

Way I look at it, we don't exactly have the young talent in the minors to sell our team off so soon, we trade Maggs and replace him with Joyce??? Trade Renteria and replace him with Mike Hollimon??? C'mon now

Look at the White Sox last year, they were the worst pitching team in the bigs, couldn't hit a lick, and never won more than 2 games in a row, but the two years prior they won 90+ and even won a WS, and even this year they are back on top of the division...

I think thats the type of situation our franchise needs to view itself as being in, 2 solid seasons, one stinker, and rise back near the top in '09. things aren't going well this year, but next year when expecations are lowered and we still have a talented roster, we can find ourselves in contention again...

I would still try and trade Kenny, Jonesy, and Pudge since they are in contract years, they'll be easy to move and if you even want, you could resign all 3 in the offseason (though I doubt that will be the case)

hopefully Dave doesn't have this seasons outcome dictate the direction we go in next season, the talents still there, and everybody around the league and who covers the game knows it...

Plus, Dave traded all of our top prospects, so he made his bed, time to sleep in it...WS or bust in the next 3-5 years

I don't see a fire sale. I could see some FA's (like the 3 you mentioned) being delt though if you're not planning on bringing them back anyway. Why not? At least get something for them.

Hopefully a sweep of the Chi-Sox gets us back in the mix a little more.

not really a "trade" rumor but......

Tigers looking at Freddy Garcia
Posted by Scott Warheit June 18, 2008 06:17AM
Looking for a fifth starter in their rotation, the Detroit Tigers may look outside their organization to fill that void. According to the Detroit Free Press, veteran Freddy Garcia, currently recovering from off-season surgery, has been contacted by the Tigers.

June 18, Detroit Free Press: Garcia's agent, Peter Greenberg, said in an e-mail to the Free Press this morning that a Detroit official contacted him on Monday to express the team's interest.

Garcia, 32, has not pitched since last season and is currently rehabilitating from shoulder surgery. Greenberg said in the e-mail that Garcia is now throwing at 75% intensity and should be ready to pitch in a showcase for scouts next month.

Leyland has previously said that he prefers midseason additions to have experience in pennant races and the playoffs; Garcia epitomizes that. He is 6-2 with a 3.11 ERA in nine postseason starts and was the winning pitcher in the deciding game of the 2005 World Series.

Based on alot of things I've been reading, don't be surprised if Edgar is traded at the deadline, he's got an 11 million team option for next year with a 3 million buyout, and the way he's been playing is reminiscent of the year he had with Boston...

He's only been productive in the NL, and his value is pretty decent to a team desperate for a SS (maybe the Dodgers?). Obviously, we aren't going to get back anywhere near what we gave up (Jurrjens & Gorkys), but maybe we could get a guy like Derek Lowe who's an expiring contract from the Dodgers to bolster our rotation...

From there you can either...

* start Hollimon, he's not going to light the world on fire, but it wouldnt' be a bad idea to start grooming him for the position

* start Guillen at short and move Inge to 3rd (back to square one), that move would also allow Sardina to stay on board for the rest of this season, and we could go get a SS like Jack Wilson in the offseason, move Inge to full time cather and Guillen back to 3rd

* or even start Santiago, which is unlikely, but possible since Leyland loves Ramon


or just suck it up, exercise Edgar's option and ride through the storm

Just throwing some stuff out there, not endorsing anything necessarily:

If LA has interest in Renteria, they supposedly are willing to part with Matt Kemp. He doesn't exactly fit a need but he's a good piece, young and a good hitter. He can play all 3 OF spots too. They also have a top SS prospect in Chin-Lung Hu that is considered the best defensive shortstop in the minors and has shown flashes that his inconsistent offense could come around. They also have top 3rd base prospect Andy LaRoche.

I don't know that we could get any of those players for Renteria, but they've made some pretty dumb moves as of late, what's one more?


If we're looking at catchers, Chris Ianetta in COL and Jeff Clement in SEA have recently taken over as more or less starters, Leaving former starters Kenji Johjima and Yorvit Torrealba available. Either could fill in for a year or two until we find something better.

Yeah I'm tired of Diarrhenteria. Not the greatest defensively and his offense has been abysmal.

No way in hell LA gives us Kemp for Renteria...wishful thinking...

I think Derek Lowe would be perfect. He's from Dearborn, he's had success in the AL, he's durable and he'd be our 2nd best starter...

But I've also been reading that LA is looking at Jack Wilson right now instead of Edgar...

I'd agree, except that there was no way in hell they should have given those huge contracts for Andruw Jones or Juan Pierre either, but they did. They have tons of young talent and have no idea what they're doing with it.

Who takes over short for us if we trade Renteria?

Guillen, Inge to third unless we get a 3B or something....

Hopefully that Cale Iorg kid we drafted will be on the fast track, he's probably our 2nd best prospect in the minors behind Porcello...

If we trade Edgar, might as well play Guillen at short and give Inge his full-time jig back for the rest of the year...or split the at bats with Raburn at 3rd

Then who becomes the guy rotating with pudge behind the plate?

Then who becomes the guy rotating with pudge behind the plate?


The Great Dane become's Pudge's backup for the rest of the season. Then next year, when Pudge's contract is up (although I wouldn't be shocked to see him get a 2 year extension at like 7 or 8 annually, especially if he keeps up his current pace, he's hitting like .290 right now). But if that doesn't happen, next year you put Inge at full time catcher, Sardina can back him up or sign a cheap backup like Jason LaRue or something, then move Guillen back to 3rd and try and take a shot at signing Rafael Furcal who's a free agent or swing a deal for Jack Wilson...

A Miami Herald writer started the rumor by reporting the Florida Marlins' interest in Pudge Rodriguez, but adding the Tigers told them to go fish: "He's not available. That could change if the Tigers fall out of contention." Remember, it's just a rumor that the Tigers are still in contention.

The Tigers being in contention is just a rumor.

The Tigers being in contention is just a rumor.

Much funnier the second time, Ledezma.

You didn't bold it.

So I repeated.

Trade path for Tigers unclear as deadline nears
BY JON PAUL MOROSI • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • July 22, 2008

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- During the previous two seasons, the Tigers' approach to the trade market was apparent long before the July 31 deadline.

In 2006, they wanted to add a left-handed hitter and acquired Sean Casey from the Pittsburgh Pirates.

In 2007, they pursued a number of relief pitchers, including Octavio Dotel and Akinori Otsuka, but did not complete a deal for any of them.

This year, the plan is less evident.

The Tigers entered Monday as the American League Central's third-place team, with several needs that might or might not be addressed by the end of the month. Manager Jim Leyland said he has "no idea" whether the team will make a trade.

On one hand, the Tigers began the season with a $138-million payroll and a win-now mentality. It would not be a surprise if they struck a deal aimed at improving their roster immediately.

Yet, a disappointing first half has left some doubt about their ability to overtake the Chicago White Sox and Minnesota Twins. They might not want to part with quality prospects under those circumstances.

President/general manager Dave Dombrowski hasn't said publicly which path he plans to take. The deadline will arrive one week from Thursday, and Dombrowski could wait until the final days to determine his course.

In that sense, it's fitting that all of the games between now and the deadline will be against division opponents: at Kansas City, home against Chicago, and at Cleveland.

The three series will offer the Tigers their latest opportunity to improve their poor record (15-24) within the division. They are 1-6 against the Royals after Monday's victory.

"They took it to us," Leyland said of the first two series against Kansas City. "They're much improved."

The Tigers likely will pursue young shortstops on the trade market -- regardless of where they are in the standings -- since they have no clear starter at the position for next season.

Michael Hollimon has been the shortstop for Triple-A Toledo in three of the first four games after the All-Star break, but it's believed that second base is his long-term position. Hollimon, who has played 11 games with the Tigers this season, made a throwing error at shortstop Monday night.

I haven't heard this anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumblings about the Yankees being interested in Pudge.

Posada might be facing season-ending shoulder surgery.

I haven't heard this anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumblings about the Yankees being interested in Pudge.

Posada might be facing season-ending shoulder surgery.

Let the Dane era begin! I'll give them Pudge for free if they take O-for-Ria too.

I haven't heard this anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumblings about the Yankees being interested in Pudge.

Posada might be facing season-ending shoulder surgery.

What would they give us do you think?

There are never many options in the FA pool either:

Rod Barajas (33)
Michael Barrett (32)
Johnny Estrada (33)
Jason Kendall (35) - club option for '09; vests with 110 games played in '08
Paul Lo Duca (37)
Miguel Olivo (30) - $2.7MM club option for '09 with a $0.1MM buyout
Ivan Rodriguez (37)
David Ross (32)
Jason Varitek (37)
Gregg Zaun (38)

There's competition in the trade market at catcher too though. Kenji Johjima in Seattle and Yorvit Torrealba in Colorado should be available. Clearly neither's a Pudge, even in his diminished state, but they are legitimate options.

Possible Tigers trade might hinge on Freddy Dolsi's shoulder
BY JON PAUL MOROSI • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • July 25, 2008

The Tigers will find out today whether right-hander Freddy Dolsi's shoulder fatigue has subsided enough for him to pitch this weekend against the White Sox.

Either way, the news could have far-reaching implications.

If Dolsi is healthy, the Tigers will have a full complement of relievers for a crucial three-game series against first-place Chicago.

If the discomfort lingers, the Tigers will intensify their efforts to trade for a reliever before Thursday's non-waiver trade deadline.

Team officials have made pitching their priority while canvassing ballparks this month. The Tigers were among the 10 or more clubs that scouted Wednesday night's game between the Blue Jays and Orioles, teams that already have made pitchers available on the market.

Toronto right-hander A.J. Burnett started that game, but it's not believed the Tigers are actively pursuing him. Burnett is making $12 million this year, and the Tigers are reluctant to add to what was a $138-million payroll Opening Day.

Baltimore closer George Sherrill would be intriguing to the Tigers if Dolsi is unavailable for any length of time, but the price tag on Sherrill, a left-hander, is expected to be high.

The iron Sheff: The Tigers continue to poke around for another starting pitcher, a left-handed bullpen arm and a young shortstop who could replace Edgar Renteria next year. One eye-popping name they've offered around: Gary Sheffield. Given Sheffield's physical issues, they'd have to eat a hefty chunk of the $14 million Sheffield has coming next year to make that enticing.

Wait, we have Sheff lined up for next year as well? Damn.

I haven't heard this anywhere yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing rumblings about the Yankees being interested in Pudge.

Posada might be facing season-ending shoulder surgery.

lil' bump

Can we pawn Jones off on anybody?

Anybody?

He's got ZERO role on this team now.

8th/9th innings with 6 run leads or deficits.

It's kind of interesting to have a noon game on the trading deadline.

I'm going to go find the starting lineup. Whomever isn't starting should be considered possible trade bait, I would think.

C. Granderson cf
R. Santiago 2b
C. Guillen 3b
M. Cabrera 1b
M. Joyce rf
M. Thames dh
E. Renteria ss
R. Raburn lf
D. Sardinha c

No Maggs, no Sheff, no Polanco, no Inge.

No Maggs, no Sheff, no Polanco, no Inge.
No win.

No Sheff is good. No Inge is understandable and not exactly terrible either.

Maggs and Polanco would have been helpful.

If "we" can stay in the race, I wonder if Dombrowski will make another run at Jack Wilson?

If we sent them Renteria and some cash along with a serviceable young player (PTBNL), that might be enough.

I'm guessing that Wilson and Renteria would clear waivers, maybe not.

I don't think Wilson would clear. I know a couple other teams in races needed help there (was it the Dodgers?).

Can we just not play Renteria and play Santiago instead? Better fielding, as good or better hitting...

Can we just not play Renteria and play Santiago instead? Better fielding, as good or better hitting...


If Santiago got consistent at bats, his average would drop .200 points by September 1.

Obviously Edgar won't be back next year, so I think we should make a deal for Jack Wilson.

He's batting .344 right now fort he season. A drop of .200, no, but .100 probably. Still, if he's batting .244, he's right there with Renteria's .253. Plus he's at .503 slugging right now which is significantly higher than Renteria's .330, and his on-base percentage is at .467, also significantly higher than Renteria's .302. Yes, both of this will come down with more at bats, but they'll still be even with or better than Renteria and he brings MUCH better defense to the table. Might as well play the guy and see if his numbers really drop as much as we think they will, or if they'll stay up around .275ish, which would be great for him.

Yeah, but Santiago will hit .244 with no power. He's perfect where he's at. We'd be better off seeing what we got in Hollimon than we will be using Santiago.

Renteria hasn't shown much power, FWIW. I wouldn't mind Hollimon either, but is he more of a 2B? How are his arm and range?

Renteria hasn't shown much power, FWIW. I wouldn't mind Hollimon either, but is he more of a 2B? How are his arm and range?
That was my thoughts on him. Otherwise, he'd probably be getting a bit more consideration as a fill in. Although, maybe that's one of the guys Leyland is referring to with his "We'll bring in the young guys if you want to play like pussies" speech. It could be in the works if Renteria doesn't pull his head out of his ass and start bringing his numbers up.

It's possible that we've seen the last of Kenny in a Tiger uniform.

He's on waivers and they are reportedly actively trying to move him.

I'd trade anyone that won't be back next year (Kenny, Edgar, Sheff if possible). We're done anyway, might as well get something for them.

If the Mets have to shut down John Maine, I wonder if they'll come after Kenny?

Sunday is the deadline for playoff roster eligibility, fwiw

I hope they can deal him. I wouldn't mind seeing Kenny pitch in the postseason again.

He deserves it. He's always been a classy guy for us.