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WTFchris
02-29-2008, 11:50 AM
Everyone expected a quick start to free agency, but the limited market of players made things even crazier than normal Friday morning.
Less than a hour after the 12:01 a.m. start to free agency, the Dolphins reached a five-year, $25 million deal with 49ers guard Justin Smiley that included a $9 million guarantee. The Raiders quickly made contact with 49ers tackle Kwame Harris and may try to do something at a similar price although talks are in the early stages.
The 49ers wasted no time hitting their free agency shopping list. They agreed with Vikings linebacker Dontarrious Thomas on a two-year deal and allowed Lions quarterback J.T. O'Sullivan to be re-united with new 49ers offensive coordinator Mike Martz by agreeing to a one-year, $645,000 contract. The 49ers also locked up a two-year, $1.8 million deal with former Panthers halfback DeShaun Foster and a one-year, $870,000 deal with kick-returner/cornerback Allen Rossum, a former Steeler.
The post-midnight contact for Steelers guard Alan Faneca set the stage for a possible $8 million-a-year deal before Monday. The 49ers, Rams and Jets contacted Faneca's agent, Rick Smith, after midnight to set up visits. Faneca plans to spend Friday mapping out plans and visit a team Sunday. The Cardinals expressed interest in Faneca but indicated to him they couldn't do an $8 million-a-year deal now because of Larry Fitzgerald's contract. Fitzgerald has a $16.48 million cap number this year and the team hasn't been able to restructure his contract.
The phone was busy for Patriots cornerback Asante Samuel, with the Eagles making the early calls and winning the first visit. Samuel is hoping to get a five-year, $50 million or six-year, $62 million contract.
Things were tight-lipped around Randy Moss, the Patriots' receiver who wasn't franchised and is technically a free agent. Many believe he will re-sign in New England, but there was no deal in place at the start of free agency.
The Falcons contacted Seahawks kicker Josh Brown and also tried to convince Chargers running back Michael Turner to make a visit on Friday. The Panthers convinced Raiders defensive end Tyler Brayton to make Carolina his first visit. The Vikings and 49ers battled it out to convince Bengals defensive end Justin Smith, but Smith informed the 49ers he will make San Francisco his first stop.
Late deals to keep players prevented some suitors from getting visits. Defensive tackle Brian Young is considering an offer to re-sign with the Saints and declined a visit. Chris Redman is considering re-signing with the Falcons.
Plenty of trades are expected to be announced Friday. The Packers traded franchise defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Browns for a second-round choice. Williams is expected to sign a six-year, $38 million contract. The Saints are close to finishing a trade for Jets linebacker Jonathan Vilma. Panthers defensive tackle Kris Jenkins is heading to the Jets for a third- and fifth-round pick. Vikings wide receiver Troy Williamson will go to the Jaguars for a sixth-round pick. Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and Jaguars defensive tackle Marcus Stroud are also on the trading block and deals could move quickly involving them.

Timone
03-01-2008, 02:23 AM
49ers sign Isaac Bruce, Jaguars sign Jerry Porter.

Timone
03-01-2008, 06:26 AM
Eagles sign Asante Samuel. 6 year deal.

Glenn
03-01-2008, 06:28 AM
"My" Steelers lost Alan Faneca to the Jets.

Not a big surprise since he stated before last season that he wanted out of Pittsburgh because they wouldn't give him the $ he wanted in an extension.

He would have been a (more than) nice signing for the Lions.

Jethro34
03-01-2008, 09:04 AM
49ers and Jets going nuts.

Niners also inked Justin Smith, former Bengal DE.

Jethro34
03-01-2008, 08:04 PM
Stallworth signs with the Browns for 7 years, $35 million. That seems pretty reasonable.
I also think the Browns, with the re-signing of Anderson and addition of Stallworth to the Braylon and Winslow can be pretty potent. Stallworth is certainly an upgrade over Jurevicious.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-01-2008, 10:25 PM
Bernard Berrian signs with Minnesota, the Vikings also signed Madieu Williams a couple days ago. Those are two quality additions to an already talented team.


Now all they need is a QB, and this team could be great.


QB- Jackson
FB- Richardson
RB- AP, Taylor
WR- Berrian
WR- Rice
OL- Birk, Hutch, McKinnie, Hicks, Cook
Solid Dline- pat & Kevin williams, udeze, erasmus james (when he's healthy)
Solid LB's: Leber, Greenway, Henderson
Solid DB's: Madieu Williams, Sharper, Winfield, McCauley


on paper, i love the vikings man...

Timone
03-02-2008, 05:38 AM
Jason Taylor is leaving the Dolphins.

Timone
03-02-2008, 05:41 AM
Stallworth, Edwards, Winslow, and Jamal...damn. Looks like The Ravens are going to lose two to the Browns (again) next season.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-02-2008, 08:17 AM
Stallworth, Edwards, Winslow, and Jamal...damn. Looks like The Ravens are going to lose two to the Browns (again) next season.


You forgot Joe Jurevicius...


our your ravens going to have Troy Smith start?

Timone
03-02-2008, 08:19 AM
I have no clue. McNair intends to come back (ugh), so I assume he'll be the starter.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-02-2008, 09:23 AM
I have no clue. McNair intends to come back (ugh), so I assume he'll be the starter.


Does Kyle Boller still have that Darius Miles upside to him??? Or is he nothing but a failed experiment now???


Should've signed Todd Collins, or Joseph Harrington...

Ravens need some WR's too...Derrick Mason is a has been

Timone
03-02-2008, 09:24 AM
Should've kept Derek Anderson apparently.

Timone
03-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Taylor WILL return to the Dolphins.

Saints sign Randall Gay.

Falcons sign Michael Turner.

Darth Thanatos
03-02-2008, 10:21 PM
The Vikings have looked good on paper for 50 years, yet they have nothing to show for it. They're the Atlanta Hawks(pre-2000) of the NFL.


And I'm absolutely baffled how the Bears were able to retain Lance Briggs. I wouldn't have even signed him after all the drama he started last year.

Timone
03-03-2008, 10:05 AM
Moss talked to Culpepper about going with him somewhere as a package deal.

WTFchris
03-03-2008, 04:27 PM
Jets signed Woody:


Having already solidified the left side of their offensive line with the addition of former Steelers standout guard Alan Faneca (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4288), the New York Jets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=nyj) have now bolstered their right side, agreeing to terms with former Patriots and Lions lineman Damien Woody (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=4665) to play right tackle, according to sources.

The Jets have spared no expense in improving their offensive line in the first week of free agency. Faneca signed a five-year, $40 million deal that included more than $21 million in guarantees, making him the league's highest paid offensive lineman. Now the Jets have given Woody $25.5 million over 5 years with $11 million guaranteed.

Faneca and Woody, along with left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7753) and center Nick Mangold (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7778), give the Jets four former first round picks along their offensive line.

Woody spent the first five years of his career as a center/guard with the Patriots, so joining the Jets means a reunion with head coach Eric Mangini.
In 2004, Woody signed a six-year, $31 million deal with the Lions, then the largest ever for an interior lineman. Toward the end of a disappointing four-year stint in Detroit, Woody moved out to right tackle and was impressive enough in five starts to earn an even more lucrative contract from the Jets.

Timone
03-03-2008, 06:40 PM
Wow, the Jets are certainly active...

jturbo
03-04-2008, 08:49 AM
I love the Jets, always have. Good to see one of my two teams improving(hopefully).

Timone
03-04-2008, 06:42 PM
Seahawks sign TJ Duckett.

Jethro34
03-05-2008, 08:08 AM
I said even before this offseason that the Jets would be one of the next stud teams. The dedication to their line they showed when drafting Ferguson and Mangold is one of those steps that will pay off for years to come. Adding Faneca and Woody just shows the continued focus on the line. It's too bad they let Vilma go, but their offense will have plenty of time to work things out and a great line can make a mediocre offense very functional.

In other news, the Lions are still horrible.

Glenn
03-05-2008, 09:03 AM
In other news, the Lions are still horrible.

If you didn't already have a great sig, I would suggest this as an option.

Timone
03-05-2008, 04:51 PM
Falcons released Joey!

Timone
03-05-2008, 05:15 PM
Raiders signed Javon Walker to a 6 year, $55 million dollar deal ($16 mil guaranteed). This is the same team that made TOMMY KELLY the highest paid DT in NFL history btw.

lol @ the Raiders.

Tahoe
03-05-2008, 08:24 PM
Falcons released Joey!

Yea, just like the Steelers release Bradshaw. Jeesh, that comparison still is one the most head shaking things I've seen in a long time.

Jethro34
03-05-2008, 08:56 PM
Apparently a lot of the Jets players are ticked that the team is spending money aggressively.
Classic.
"I'm all for winning 25% of our games as long as I get paid."
Ever wonder why they're not clamoring to give you and your 4 wins a raise? Maybe because there are guys out there that might, heaven forbid, help you get 5+ wins and a little pride.

Timone
03-05-2008, 08:57 PM
Makes you appreciate Favre a little more.

jturbo
03-05-2008, 09:59 PM
Apparently a lot of the Jets players are ticked that the team is spending money aggressively.
Classic.
"I'm all for winning 25% of our games as long as I get paid."
Ever wonder why they're not clamoring to give you and your 4 wins a raise? Maybe because there are guys out there that might, heaven forbid, help you get 5+ wins and a little pride.


Thats bullshit! What players said that? Al Toon is rolling in his grave. Kevin Arnold and I are gonna bust their shit up.

Jethro34
03-05-2008, 10:20 PM
It was on ESPN.com and the player said it based on anonimity

jturbo
03-05-2008, 10:41 PM
Oh, so they can make a bogus report of Miles going to UofM, but I can't get a fucking source from the NY JETS!!!! Thats sucks! I want whoever it is outed. Is this some don't ask, don't tell military bullshit!

Glenn
03-06-2008, 05:41 AM
I suppose I can imagine that any Jet player that has been trying to get an extension/raise, but has been rebuffed, could be a bit peeved if they've been told that they are strapped by the cap or something, but that is one of those things that you keep to yourself.

Jethro34
03-06-2008, 06:47 AM
From the NY Daily News

Anonymous Jet veterans upset about team's spending spree

By RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Wednesday, March 5th 2008, 4:00 AM
Laveranues Coles is one of Gang Green's veterans who wants a raise. Antonelli/News


The free-spending Jets are one of the biggest topics of discussion in the NFL, but there are two sides to every story. While they have generated excitement by acquiring four big-money players, some of the team's returning veterans are looking at the bundles of cash and wondering, "When do I get mine?"

"You pay guys you don't even know, and the guys in the locker room - the guys that have your back - you don't give a damn about them," one player said Tuesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "It shows where the loyalty is."

Free agency is a double-edged sword, and front offices always run the risk of alienating their own players. The Jets have doled out an incredible sum - $138 million in contracts, including $63 million in guarantees - causing some veterans to wonder if there will be enough salary-cap room for them to score new deals.

Wide receiver Laveranues Coles and tight end Chris Baker, both with two years remaining on their current contracts, publicly expressed their desire for raises at the end of the season. Coles' situation recently turned ugly when he accused the organization of lying to him.

Perhaps the most underpaid player is safety Kerry Rhodes, who is due to make only $927,000 in the final year of his contract. He can be a restricted free agent after the season. Wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery was in the same situation a year ago, and he was rewarded with a five-year, $19 million contract.

The Jets are trying to negotiate a long-term extension with Rhodes, one of their top young players, but they remain far apart, sources said. The Jets' hesitancy could be costly, as the free-agent market for safeties is exploding. Former Giant Gibril Wilson signed a six-year, $39 million deal with the Raiders that includes $16 million in guarantees.

Baker, coming off his best season, has $3.6 million remaining on his contract. Coles has $11 million left, and although the Jets offered to guarantee the total amount, he apparently is seeking a long-term deal with more guaranteed money. Coles has said he won't attend Eric Mangini's offseason program, which begins March 17.

It may look like GM Mike Tannenbaum has abandoned his draft-and-develop approach in favor of the quick fix, but he claimed nothing has changed. He mentioned backup nose tackle Sione Pouha, who last week signed a modest, three-year extension, as an example of the organization's desire to keep its own players.

"That's still our core belief and philosophy," he said.

But it was overshadowed by the additions of guard Alan Faneca, tackle Damien Woody, nose tackle Kris Jenkins and linebacker Calvin Pace ($22 million guaranteed), who became one of the highest-paid defenders in the league. One Jets player said he never heard of Pace until yesterday. Another player said he was envious of linebacker Jonathan Vilma, who realized his wish to be traded.

"They're getting rid of the young guys and bringing in old guys," the player said. "I don't know what they're doing."

CHAD MATH: If he returns, Chad Pennington will receive a bump in his '08 salary, from $4.8 million to $6 million. It's based on a clause in his contract that was renegotiated two years ago, when he took a pay cut. He's back to his original '08 salary, but his cap number balloons to $9.0 million, ridiculously high for a potential backup....With Woody projected to start at right tackle, the Jets released Anthony Clement, a two-year starter at the position....Jets signed former Titans CB Andre Woolfolk, a first-round pick in 2003 who was out of football last season....Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, giving his side of the ill-fated Dewayne Robertson trade, said in Cincinnati that it "had nothing to do with money," fueling speculation that the bone-on-bone condition in Robertson's left knee may have been a factor. That contradicted Robertson's agent, Hadley Engelhard, who said the trade was aborted because he couldn't agree to a new contract with the Bengals.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-06-2008, 10:15 AM
Jets signed Tony Richardson today...

Jethro34
03-06-2008, 06:11 PM
Eagles cut Takeo Spikes. He would be the perfect MLB in Detroit.

Timone
03-06-2008, 06:13 PM
He fits in Detroit?

Won't be coming here then.

WTFchris
03-07-2008, 10:24 AM
Broncos signed Boss Bailey to team up with his brother.

WTFchris
03-08-2008, 12:34 PM
Seattle just signed Julius Jones to a long term deal. They signed Duckett to a long term deal a few days ago. I guess that means Alexander gets traded soon. Would they trade him for Roy?

Jethro34
03-08-2008, 12:57 PM
Seattle is strange. Sign two guys that are essentially a 2nd string guy and a 3rd string guy so you can get rid of your 1st string guy. Is Maurice Morris - our whatever their previous backup's name is - gone?

WTFchris
03-08-2008, 01:07 PM
I understand the Duckett move. You could take some wear and tear off Alexander. Why Jones though, unless you move Shaun?

Zekyl
03-08-2008, 02:51 PM
Would they trade him (Alexander) for Roy?
Please no. I don't want him.

Jethro34
03-08-2008, 04:44 PM
So apparently Kelly is official. No financial terms yet, but it's a 3 year deal.

At least now Marinelli won't be able to complain about character as much. He's gradually changing the ratio of players he's hand picked on this team. And these are all players who know what to expect from Marinelli and Barry.

Zekyl
03-08-2008, 05:23 PM
If we get a few more guys like this on the defensive side of the ball, maybe we'll actually be able to see what Barry wanted to do with the defense instead of that crap that was on the field last year.

Vinny
03-09-2008, 02:09 PM
I'm just waiting for the week 6 schpeel about how "it takes guys a while to get adjusted to a new system" and "the guys are really starting to pick things up"; and then the week 12 schpeel about how "Fill In Choice Of Signee Here" has been dealing with an ankle issues pretty much since training camp and thus it's not fair to judge him yet; and then the week 16 schpeel about how "now that these guys have a full year together, 2009's really going to be where it takes off."

Glenn
03-09-2008, 02:21 PM
right, they need to "gel"

Zekyl
03-09-2008, 04:17 PM
I'm calling bullshit on that one right now. All the FA's they're bringing in on D have been in the system before and already know it. Everyone else went through it last year so they'll have a season of it under their belts already. I'm not buying into the "give them a season" bullshit at all this year.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-09-2008, 10:48 PM
What the hell. We need a fucking defensive end. Seriously, Corey Smith isn't coming back, and I assume Kalimba will be cut---right??

If the season started tomorrow, we'd be looking at Ikaika Alama-Francis starting...

God...

Glenn
03-10-2008, 09:10 AM
What the hell. We need a fucking defensive end. Seriously, Corey Smith isn't coming back, and I assume Kalimba will be cut---right??

If the season started tomorrow, we'd be looking at Ikaika Alama-Francis starting...

God...

I'm sure Tampa Bay has one or two we could get from them.

Zekyl
03-10-2008, 09:43 AM
We already took White. Where is Rice these days? Maybe we could lure Sapp out of retirement.

WTFchris
03-10-2008, 01:34 PM
I like the Kelly signing. I still don't get why we offered their safety a deal.

This allows us to ignore CB in the first round and get a playmaker on the DL or a LB. RT is possible, but I hope we don't take one unless one of the top 3 slip to us.

Glenn
03-10-2008, 02:02 PM
Running back Bell signs one-year deal with Lions, will compete for starting job
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
Updated: March 10, 2008, 1:49 PM ET

After losing a bidding war for halfback Julius Jones, the Detroit Lions went back to their own roster and re-signed Tatum Bell.

Bell, 26, agreed to a one-year, $1.6 million deal to stay with the Lions. He came to the Lions last season from the Broncos in a trade that included tackle George Foster. Foster agreed to a one-year, $1.1 million deal over the weekend.

With Kevin Jones coming off a torn ACL, Bell will be given the chance to start this season. He started four games for the Lions in 2007 and had 182 yards on 44 carries last year.

In his final season with the Broncos in 2006, Bell had 1,025 yards and a 4.4-yard average. On any given play, Bell has the ability to break a long run because he has great speed and elusiveness.

If Bell has a great season, he is hoping to hit a big payday in 2009.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-10-2008, 10:05 PM
1.6 million for Tatum Bell. Wow. I guess this means we're not going to draft Stewart/Mendenhall...

MoTown
03-10-2008, 10:11 PM
WTF?

Zekyl
03-10-2008, 10:25 PM
Don't be so sure. They may still try to trade KJ, or they could draft a young guy and let the three of them duke it out for the 2 rb spots with an insurance policy in case of injury.

Jethro34
03-11-2008, 06:52 AM
1.6 million for Tatum Bell. Wow. I guess this means we're not going to draft Stewart/Mendenhall...

FWIW, Tom Kowalski (throw credibility out the window) thinks that Bell and Jones being the backs virtually guarantees the Lions WILL take a RB in the first 3 rounds, since both these guys will be UFA's at the end of the season. They want a guy that can be here for a year to learn and gradually work their way in rather than an unproven rookie thrown into the fire next year.

Zekyl
03-11-2008, 07:58 AM
So that basically guarantees we won't, right?

DrRay11
03-11-2008, 10:52 AM
So Matt Millen being our GM basically guarantees we will suck next year, right?

detroitsportscity
03-11-2008, 11:55 AM
So Matt Millen being our GM basically guarantees we will suck next year, right?

Yes.

WTFchris
03-11-2008, 12:24 PM
If we draft a back we better move KJ. I hope we don't take a back until the 3rd round. I read an interesting study on RB's drafted. Sometimes you get a stud at the top (like Peterson), but for the most part there isn't a big difference between most 1st round backs and 3rd round backs. Think about all the high draft pick RB's since 2000:

1st rounders:
AP
Lynch
Bush
Maroney
D. Williams
Addai
Brown
Benson
Cadillac
Jackson
KJ
Perry
McGahee
LJ
Green
Duckett
LT
Duece
Bennett
J. Lewis
T. Jones
Dayne
Alexander
T. Canidate

Later picks:
Jones-Drew
Gore
Barber III
T.Bell
J. Jones
M. Moore
Turner
C. Brown
Fargus
D. Davis
Suggs
Foster
Portis
Morris
Westbrook
Davenport
Peterson (bears)
Taylor
A Train
Jordan
Henry
Barlow
Droughns
R. Johnson
Buckhalter
Blaylock

Some of the 1st rounders are certainly studs. but, probably only 9 of the 24 taken can be considered feature RB's. There are 6-7 feature backs in the later picks, and a lot of them are 3rd and 4th rounders actually. Most of those other later picks are solid depth guys too. Sometimes you get a total bust in the first.

I'd rather take a chance on finding a Priest Holmes, Rudi Johnson, Wesbrook type of guy in the middle rounds than spend a high pick there when we have more pressing needs.

Glenn
03-11-2008, 12:27 PM
^wow, it looks like you did a lot of typing there, Chris.

Thanks for thinking that we're worth it.

Zekyl
03-11-2008, 12:49 PM
In a way I still want to give KJ one more chance. He did mist half the season due to a foot injury. Who's to say that if we don't put a halfway decent line in front of him and give him the ball some, when he's had a full offseason of conditioning and training camp, that he won't be a decent back for us.

Wasn't Calhoun a 3rd round pick?

WTFchris
03-11-2008, 01:28 PM
In a way I still want to give KJ one more chance. He did mist half the season due to a foot injury. Who's to say that if we don't put a halfway decent line in front of him and give him the ball some, when he's had a full offseason of conditioning and training camp, that he won't be a decent back for us.

Wasn't Calhoun a 3rd round pick?

I think KJ needs another chance too. He's never been used correctly in Detroit besides the second half of his rookie year (when he lead the league in rushing the second half behind a bad OL). Mooch kept rotating in Bryson and anyone else he could think of. Martz barely ran him either. Plus the injuries cut seasons short of course. KJ needs to be the workhorse back, with someone else spelling him now and then for carries (Bell for now, hopefully Calhoun next year).

I would take a 3rd round back (we have an extra one now) just as injury insurance though.

Jethro34
03-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Still, there's little point in drafting any RB if you don't fix the line. That's why I say screw the cost, draft a LT to compete with Backus and have the loser play the right side. Who is scheduled to play on the interior? OG's aren't usually picked too highly, with only the top 3 going the first day - if that. So the 2nd day they could grab Eric Young and Drew Radovich or Donald Thomas. By grabbing two or three of them you would likely find one starter and another guy to provide depth, with a third guy being cut. Depending on how the draft goes, we could maybe even get Rachal or Schuening with a later pick. Brandon Albert seems like the only one that's a lock to go the 1st day. The last mock I saw had him going around 23. If somehow he slips into the 2nd round, we should pull the trigger on him. Chris Williams from Vandy and Albert as our 1st two picks would go a long way to transforming our line. In a year or two you could put almost any RB behind them and he would have success.

WTFchris
03-11-2008, 02:01 PM
We still need a OG as well. I wouldn't spend a first rounder on a OT unless a premium one slips to you. I'm not reaching for one that should be a late first when we might have other options (like Rivers). I'd be fine with a 2nd round OT though (you are still getting a top 5-7 OT).

We re-signed Foster for a year, but he'll just be a backup.

Zekyl
03-11-2008, 05:21 PM
That's really they key, when you look at everything now. We need a MLB and O-Line. We just signed got two new corners and resigned 2 of our top 3 from last year, so we should be somewhat ok there for now (at least improved from last year I hope). If you build an O-Line, everything else will fall into place. Just look at Denver. They stick Joe Schmoe back there behind their line and manage to get 1000 yard seasons every year, because they build a good line.

Vinny
03-11-2008, 07:11 PM
I definitely want a OT or a DE. I bet Millen takes Mendenhall though.

Also, I think Kevin Jones is done, just too many injuries. No way does someone give us more than a 5th-6th rounder for him (unless MM somehow fingures out a way to trade with himself).

Tahoe
03-11-2008, 07:28 PM
Aren't there 2 O Lineman that are expected to go high? Gone before our pick? If one of them fell, take him.

Jethro34
03-11-2008, 09:20 PM
Aren't there 2 O Lineman that are expected to go high? Gone before our pick? If one of them fell, take him.
Yeah, Jake Long and Ryan Clady are expected to go top 5.

As for DE's, there are 3 expected to go top 10.

So that means our biggest needs will have early runs.

Tahoe
03-11-2008, 09:28 PM
Trade down?...if no O-Lineman there?

I need to get off the O-Line thing, but WE NEED OLINEMAN! Sorry for screaming.

Jethro34
03-11-2008, 09:33 PM
I'm not sure who has the multiple pick appeal we would be interested in or who has any interest in our pick, but if we could move down around 22-25 range and gain an extra 2nd and 4th for doing so, I'd be game. With Millen in control, I almost always like the idea of trading down and adding picks. The more picks he makes, the greater the possibility of getting one right.

Tahoe
03-11-2008, 09:35 PM
^ lol

Zekyl
03-11-2008, 10:17 PM
With Millen in control, I almost always get terrified by the idea of trading down and adding picks. The more picks he makes, the more careers he ruins.
Fixed

WTFchris
03-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Yeah, Jake Long and Ryan Clady are expected to go top 5.

As for DE's, there are 3 expected to go top 10.

So that means our biggest needs will have early runs.

I think Chris Williams from Vandy made some buzz at the combine too. He's leapfrogged Otah on a lot of boards.

Also note that the Panthers and Bears have not been happy with their RB situations and may grab one.

What do you think it would cost to trade for Alexander BTW?

WTFchris
03-12-2008, 12:00 PM
I looked into it and it appears they will end up cutting him anyway to save about 10 million bucks off their cap this year. The problem is that it might not happen until June 1. I'd much rather have him than spend a pick on a RB. Even if you only get 3-4 good years from Alexander that's fine. It allows you to build your OL and LB corps up.

Zekyl
03-12-2008, 01:15 PM
Which Alexander are we talking here?

Glenn
03-12-2008, 01:16 PM
The formerly effective, but now slow and injury prone RB from Seattle.

Actually, it might be a good signing for the Lions, but not at superstar dollars, that's for sure.

Zekyl
03-12-2008, 01:18 PM
I'd take him for cheap and use him as the workhorse, then bring in Bell or Calhoun as the third down back. I think I'd rather give Jones another chance to see if he's fully recovered though. Alexander is good but there are too many things he doesn't do.

WTFchris
03-12-2008, 02:16 PM
Bell is not much of a receiver (neither is Shaun), but Calhoun I always thought could be a solid 3rd down back.

Zekyl
03-12-2008, 02:17 PM
Joey resigned with the Falcons a week after they cut him....

So they're going with the same 3 QBs from last year? I'm sure that will work out just great for them.

Vinny
03-12-2008, 02:43 PM
Alexander looked real washed up and real slow last year.

Zekyl
03-12-2008, 02:46 PM
Which is why I want nothing to do with him. I'd rather have KJ, see if he can bounce back from injuries. At least he's still young and has some speed. I'll always remember him running over all those Ravens players a few years back. One of them (one of the big-name, big-hitting linebackers, can't remember which), tried to stand him up around the goal line and he just threw the LB down. It was awesome.

WTFchris
03-12-2008, 03:39 PM
I agree I'd rather stick with KJ. However, if Millen has made up his mind that KJ/Bell/Calhoun is not enough...than I sure hope we don't waste a first rounder on a RB and trot Paris and Foster out there when we could replace either of them at that spot.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-12-2008, 09:12 PM
I agree I'd rather stick with KJ. However, if Millen has made up his mind that KJ/Bell/Calhoun is not enough...than I sure hope we don't waste a first rounder on a RB and trot Paris and Foster out there when we could replace either of them at that spot.


I agree. Since we've already committed to Tatum for another year, and still have Aveion Cason, KJ, and Calhoun. I will go ape shit if we draft a RB in Rd. 1

Zekyl
03-13-2008, 08:58 AM
Cason is a decent 3rd down back, but I really hope Calhoun steps up in training camp and takes his spot.

BACK ON TOPIC (save this chatter for a Lions notes thread)

Any FA's left out there that you'd like us to go after? Most guys have been snatched up already but there may be a few cheap sleepers left.

WTFchris
03-13-2008, 09:49 AM
Mike Anderson is out there. He would be a decent insurance policy for injuries.

Derrick Ward, Pittman and Chris Brown would be similar options.

Wayne Gandy - an option at RT?

Ian Gold?

Junior Seau - could buy us a year if we can't get two LB's in the draft.

Vinny
03-13-2008, 09:02 PM
Seau will retire before he comes here.

I wouldn't mind Gandy or Derrick Ward. Chris Brown just re-signed with Tennessee I think.

Zekyl
03-14-2008, 01:27 PM
Isn't Ian Gold a Michigan guy?

Glenn
03-14-2008, 01:28 PM
Yes.

I always thought that would be a good name for a beer.

Pour yourself an ice cold glass of Ian Gold...

WTFchris
03-14-2008, 01:57 PM
Seau will retire before he comes here.

I wouldn't mind Gandy or Derrick Ward. Chris Brown just re-signed with Tennessee I think.

I doubt Ward is an option now since we are lacking a feature back. I saw him as more of insurance in case KJ is hurt. I think for sure we are drafting a back now.

I wonder why Gold is still not in Denver since they have been short on LB's (besides DJ Williams) for a couple years now. Did he underform or just not fit their scheme?

Glenn
03-15-2008, 10:44 AM
I doubt Ward is an option now since we are lacking a feature back.

Ward re-signed with the Giants yesterday.

Glenn
03-17-2008, 02:05 PM
The Jets signed Bubba Franks and the Panthers signed DJ Hackett.

Zekyl
03-17-2008, 02:32 PM
Was Hackett a QB in college or am I thinking of someone else?

Unibomber
03-18-2008, 05:26 AM
Was Hackett a QB in college or am I thinking of someone else?

Kordell Stewart? Both of them went to Colorado, but I don't think Hackett ever played QB.

Damn good signing for CAR, though.

Zekyl
03-18-2008, 08:35 AM
I was thinking more the last couple years. Maybe I'm thinking of that QB from Georgia that was a mobile QB (no, not Hines Ward). I'm lost now.

Timone
03-18-2008, 08:48 AM
You thinking about Seneca Wallace? Former QB, Seattle used him at WR sometimes.

Zekyl
03-18-2008, 08:49 AM
D.J. Shockley!

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 12:51 PM
D.J. Shockley!


Isn't he on the Falcons?

Glenn
03-18-2008, 12:53 PM
DJ Shockley, Woody Danzler, Eric Crouch, Quincy Carter, etc.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 12:55 PM
DJ Shockley, Woody Danzler, Eric Crouch, Quincy Carter, etc.

How about Rasheed Marshall from WVU...

Also Bryan Randall from Va Tech, Adrian McPherson, Tee Martin, Brad Smith from Mizzou, Asad Abdul-Khaliq from Minny

was Major Applewhite a runner?

Zekyl
03-18-2008, 05:46 PM
Whatever happened to McPherson? I remember wanting us to draft him instead of Orlovsky.

MoTown
03-18-2008, 05:56 PM
Back in the CFL. He actually plays for Grand Rapids.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 06:14 PM
I remember Adrian McPherson had a jig w/ the Saints for a little while...didn't he shave points in games he played in at FSU?

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 06:16 PM
Here's a few NCAA throwbacks...

Chris Rix- Fla St
Brock Berlin- Fla, Miami
Damon Dowdell- MSU
Zak Kustok- NW
Kurt Kittner- Ill
Matt DelVecchio- ND, Indy
Cody Pickett- Wash
Jason Fife- Oregon


shit I can't think of anymore...

Timone
03-18-2008, 06:17 PM
I wish I could find that one pic of McPherson lined up in the wrong spot.

I think that was him anyway.

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 06:23 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/08/12/2002439277.jpg

Wilfredo Ledezma
03-18-2008, 06:23 PM
LOL!

Timone
03-18-2008, 06:23 PM
hahahahahaha

:ledezmaowns:

Zekyl
03-18-2008, 07:16 PM
Kustok was with the Dolphins for a year or two. Brock Berlin was with the Bears I think.

Zekyl
03-18-2008, 07:17 PM
Kittner was with someone for a bit too. Maybe he was the one with the Bears.

Timone
03-21-2008, 05:56 PM
Fernando Bryant is a Patriot now BTW.

Zekyl
03-21-2008, 05:58 PM
Of course he is. Character guy that does whatever he can to help the team. Right up the Patriots alley.

Naz
04-11-2008, 10:47 PM
Hey at least we signed Wilson. consider the secondary saved!

Zekyl
04-11-2008, 11:08 PM
I don't know how I feel about that. Sick or sad.