Roll call for the Cleveland debate tonight bitches!

Even though I've seen all the other debates, I'm not watching this one specifically because it's in Cleveland. Take that.

I'm already watching.

If Hillary keeps using this sarcasm against Obama that isn't issue-focused, I think she puts the nail in her own coffin.

She hasn't said anything really more sarcastic like that, seems like she's been squeezing in some personal attacks. It does seem like Hill is winning the debate, though, because of her aggression.

Goddamm. I can't believe Hillary just said Obama secretly likes white women!

wait, what? lol

She didn't? Oh, I'm not watching it. Nevermind.

But she did just call him a "weak sack faggot". Man, WILL SHE STOP AT NOTHING?!

She just told Obama he looks like DrTre. Ouch.

Russert is asking some good-ass questions.

hilary's response to the tax filings was pricelss. cant we get her a goddamn accountant for christ's sake?

No kidding... Russert is asking tough questions on both sides, but they do seem like reaches...

I like how much more honest Obama is (or at least seems) compared to Hillary. He admits when he has made a mistake rather than sidestepping.

In closing, at first glance, I don't think anyone got anywhere or won anything here tonight. Pretty lame crowd too.

well, hilary is in desperation mode and probably lost points, so i think obama won big tonight.

imo, both have gotten alot better at debbating, but the difference is becoming especially apparent in barrak.

his responses are confident, thoughtful, and decisive. earlier, they were thoughtful (for sure) but he seemed to stumble and deliver them in a manner that lacked certainty.

chris mathews just said barrak lacks the "stirring" factor in debates that he has in speaches. probably true, but hes getting better.

the msnbc guys also made a good point about barak being unflappable / cool. dead right, especially the kenya garb. he said he would take hil at her word and wanted to move on. THAT is how you handle an issue like that. he is so levelheaded, so many times i'd have said "fuck you" to her, and he is in unite party mode.

right on on the last point, diddy.

Tim Russert was the star of this debate.

i liked when he was asking the hypothetical about iraq telling us to leave.

i missed the start of the question, so i only heard the part where he was, essentially acting out the iraqis passionately telling the US to get out.

i thought russert had lost it and was screaming at obama to get us out of iraq.

lol... i guess you had to be there and be easly amused.

She hasn't said anything really more sarcastic like that, seems like she's been squeezing in some personal attacks. It does seem like Hill is winning the debate, though, because of her aggression.
This isn't the NBA. Most regular joes want an even, steady hand at the helm. Obama showed that tonight. Hillary did not.

BTW, Hillary lied when she said she REJECTED the Independence Party:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805EED61439F933A05757C0A9669C8B 63&scp=4&sq=clinton++%22independence+party%22&st=nyt


The two candidates for United States Senate sought the endorsement of the fractious Independence Party here today, but Hillary Rodham Clinton used her speech to attack the group for what she said was the ''anti-Semitism, extremism, prejudice and intolerance of a few shrill voices on both the right and the left.''

Mrs. Clinton added that she welcomed the endorsement of the party,

from what i saw, barak didnt do a great job with the pledge to work towards public financing with righty.

obvously, barak would be leaving alot on the table and surrendering a huge advantage if he went down that road. saying he will tells the dems he would disarm vs the reds... hes not secure enough in the nomination to do that.

he could welch

http://myspace-357.vo.llnwd.net/00732/75/33/732063357_m.jpg

and just assume it wont hurt him too much, could even say an agreement could not be reached.

or he could actually go through with it. if he could some how iron out a deal so that neocons dont cheat or find a lupehole (i wouldnt risk this), he should easilly defeat mccain on a level playing field.

i think this is a small issue that will be brought up but more or less a blank. obama will keep his money.

He never actually pledged that he'd do anything other than what he said in the debate. Here's the basis of the so-called "pledge":

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/us/politics/02fec.html?_r=4&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203176439-PGPBFpD+FQK5b66q005gaA&oref=slogin


A spokesman for Mr. Obama, Bill Burton, said, “We hope that each of the Republican candidates pledges to do the same.”

Mr. Burton added that if nominated Mr. Obama would “aggressively pursue an agreement” with whoever was his opponent.

His campaign wishes that all Republicans would cut off their balls with public financing, but nowhere in this does he actually indicate that he'd pledge to do anything but talk. Note that specific wording was used in the debate, and has been used at other time. Obama gave himself wiggle room. It's a moot point, though. Given McCain's flop when it comes to public financing, Obama can make a good faith effort and argue that McCain just isn't believable on the matter.

He could also point out that in real life, McCain is barely over four feet tall and is really creepy.

This isn't the NBA. Most regular joes want an even, steady hand at the helm. Obama showed that tonight. Hillary did not.

That was a quote from the beginning of the night. And I suppose I had the wrong word with aggression; what I meant was passion. Towards the end of the night, however, she just started repeating herself. Dumb.

Hillary was terrible. That whole mess about getting the first question was rediculous. They did the math after and she's had 6 out of the last 10 first questions. WOW. And all the experts said you generally want the question first because you can set the tone of the entire topic (much like recieving the football on the coin flip). She just seemed like a crybaby there.

I don't think either side really scored many points on the issues. I just saw this as a further unravaling of Hillary's capaign (also when she had no excuse as to why her tax return was not already out there), and the further enhancement of Obama as a presidential looking guy. She looked desparate and he looked confident.

I don't think either side really scored many points on the issues. I just saw this as a further unravaling of Hillary's capaign (also when she had no excuse as to why her tax return was not already out there), and the further enhancement of Obama as a presidential looking guy. She looked desparate and he looked confident.

More or less nailed it there. As the night went on, nobody really won anything on the issues. Hilla looked hella desperate and whiny though.

This impression that you guys are getting of Obama seeming calmer and cooler is the thing that I think is going to carry him over Hillary at the convention. One of the things people always used to say about Bill was "he's great, but he's got a nasty temper" and that reputation is now bleeding over to his wife.

And it's that exact impression that's going to win Obama against McCain in the end. McCain has tons of recorded instances of him losing his shit at people for no good reason, and they're going to be used against him in the general election season.

Even if it makes him seem a little bland, it's what people are going to want for the next president. I don't think people want a Decider anymore. I think the general impression is that people are looking for an Eisenhower, a caretaker administration who's going to keep things quiet after a period of international upheaval. When people vote this year they're going to be looking for the kind of person they'd want babysitting their kids. I think Obama is the one who makes that impression the best out of all of them. Unless you're Zip, in which case it's Gary Busey. The next president is not going to be nearly as powerful as Bush was, IMO.

Here's another lie by Hillary in the debate:


Perino said the Bush administration has previously moved fast to release roughly 550,000 pages of documents from the Clinton administration. She said in this case the White House is waiting for a representative for former President Clinton, Bruce Lindsey, to approve the release of the new documents and then formally ask the Bush administration to do so.
"And if the Clinton representative approves the release of the records, we act as quickly as practical to get them out," Perino said, when a reporter asked about the controversy at the White House daily briefing. "And as I said, we don't have anything pending at the moment."
During a debate with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, on Tuesday night, a journalist pressed Clinton on whether she will make sure the documents are released during the primary season to give voters a clearer view of her experience as first lady. "I have urged that our end of it move as expeditiously as we can," said Clinton. "Now, also, President Bush claims the right to look at anything that is released, and I would urge the Bush White House to move as quickly as possible."

Hillary was terrible. That whole mess about getting the first question was rediculous. They did the math after and she's had 6 out of the last 10 first questions. WOW. And all the experts said you generally want the question first because you can set the tone of the entire topic (much like recieving the football on the coin flip). She just seemed like a crybaby there.
In the Texas debate, there WAS a coin flip. Obama won the toss, and he picked Hillary to take the first question.

Being first has its pros and cons. She's fallen into a lot of traps being first. For example, there was that weird question about the new Russian president which was ambiguously directed, but Hillary was all gung-ho. Hillary managed to look silly by not acknowledging up front that she didn't know the guy's name (even as she gave a fairly reasonable response otherwise).

Honestly, I thought that question was going to Hillary, because I expected it to reference how Hillary said "Putin had no soul" awhile back (and I suspect Obama had the same thought, having referenced Putin's soul in his response). I was surprised when I saw the replay that Russert wasn't clearly addressing either of them.

Yeah, he talked about that afterwards. He said he gave them a toss up on purpose to see how she'd respond to a question not directed at her...and of course she wanted the first responce.

Isn't it ironic that she claims to be one who 'ready to the Prez on day one' but can't handle the first question in a debate.

Why were they holding a Democratic debate in Cleveland when Cleveland is full of communists?

Why were they holding a Democratic debate in Cleveland when Cleveland is full of communists?

And racists

Isn't it pathetic that she claims to be one who 'ready to the Prez on day one' but can't handle the first question in a debate.
Spayed.