Mike Bibby traded to Hawks for Shelden Williams, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, and Lorenzen Wright.

Mike Bibby traded to Hawks for Shelden Williams, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, and Lorenzen Wright.

Not so much a rumor as it is a fact.

Yeah, it's a fact. I wasn't going to post a topic for it though.

atlanta is going to be an interesting team here on out. ton of good pieces, not sure too many guys on the team really get the game though.

guys let's not get ahead of ourselves. it's quite possible that either devean george or jerry stackhouse could still derail this trade.

but seriously, it's not REALLY official until all players report AND pass their physicals.

Correction: I did in fact make a thread for this.

Bibby, Johnson, Smith, Horford, M. Williams....that's some nice pieces right there. Pretty solid what the Hawks have done for themselves. Childress off the bench is better than a poke in the eye.
Their bench lost SOME depth, but I don't think they're in a terrible position.

the hawks could be a pain in the ass come playoffs.

i think more next year than this year, but after so much ineptitude they atleast have something going. is woodson still coach there?

Yeah, that's a pretty damn good lineup now that they got their PG situation finally addressed. A "legit" center is still needed though. Then they'll be on their way.

Most peeps out here aren't crying about Bibby being gone...ONE BIT!

If anyone still doubts the value of expiring contracts, the Hawks got Bibby for Shelden Williams and 3 expirings.

(Of course, they also acquired the right to pay him nearly $15m next year.)

Mike Bibby will be the second coming of Jason Terry.

unlike terry he is a true PG. i think it's a great trade for them. i really like sheldon williams potential but he hasn't developed as expected yet.

either way it's a great move for atlanta. somewhere lebron james is fuming- he wanted kidd or bibby and the cavs have been unable to land either guy. LOL

Great move for Atlanta, they have a killer starting 5 and even if the Bibby experiment doesn't work out they get his huge expiring contract soon.

Well, this wraps up their 7 or 8 seed. See you in April, Atlanta.

This is an especially good move if Bibby can be an effective mentor for Acie Law.

Bibby isn't a true PG

^ Agreed.

I was pretty surprised he was traded to Atlanta. Cleveland were the favorites to get him for a while.

Wonder how this affects Marvin Williams. He's got alot more touches, but with Bibby, he'll most likely get less shots.

who is a 'true' PG nowadays? what does that even mean?

he IS an unselfish guy and knows how to direct a team and do what is needed to win. whether that is scoring or setting up teammates- he's very capable of both IMO.

who is a 'true' PG nowadays?


Kidd, Nash, and Paul. Guys who can lead their team and dominate a game without having to score.

Jose Calderon is doing a decent job.

True PG, in some books, is a guy with two or three potential assists for every shot they take themselves. Considering a solid PG gets the ball into someone's hands in a position where it should be at least a 50% chance of making the shot, you could put this formula together. Three potential assists is about 1.5 actual assists. So a PG with 1.5 assists per shot they attempt would be a "true" or "pass-first" PG.
Unfortunately, in today's game you need a defensive specialist and a rebounder (sometimes the same person) so PG's are expected to shoot more so that there are more than 2 or 3 scorers on the floor.
Steve Nash averages 11.7 assists per game, an outstanding number, but has to shoot 12.3 times per game.
Chris Paul = 16.4 shots, 10.9 assists
Jason Kidd = 10.8 shots, 10.4 assists
Deron Williams = 13.8 shots, 9.7 assists
Jose Calderon = 9.3 shots, 8.9 assists
Jamaal Tinsley = 11.9 shots, 8.4 assists

That's the top 6 leaders in assists. Yes, there's more to being a floor general than assists. Many times it's setting up the pass before the pass that gets the assist. Other times it's a matter of making the best read against the defense and calling out the play - being a coach on the floor.

Either way it's clear to see that even the most "pass-first" guys have to shoot more often than they can get an assist.

i get your point. but i had to laugh at the 50% remark. i think every player has at least a 50% chance of making a shot when they take a shot. no matter where they take it from- you're either gonna miss or make, so technically you've got a 50/50 shot right off the bat.

but i get your point- a good PG gets them the ball in a position where they have a good look at the basket and can take a shot they are comfortable and capable of making.

i get your point. but i had to laugh at the 50% remark. i think every player has at least a 50% chance of making a shot when they take a shot. no matter where they take it from- you're either gonna miss or make, so technically you've got a 50/50 shot right off the bat.

Thats just like saying when you anchor yourself to concrete and fall into the ocean you have a 50% chance of living... You will either live, or die. You know, technically...

Call me crazy, but I still don't see the Hawks making the playoffs. As a team, they're as dysfunctional as the Hilton family. Mike Woodson will not be able to coach them to a win, and so far Joe Johnson has not proven he can lead them to a win. Josh Smith is a nice young player who moonlights as a first-class moron.

Too many things working against them that I don't see them overcoming.

Thats just like saying when you anchor yourself to concrete and fall into the ocean you have a 50% chance of living... You will either live, or die. You know, technically...


no it's more like saying when you fall in the ocean you have a 50% chance of living. you inserted an outside variable whereas i didn't.

besides, i've never heard of anybody who survived a situation like you described (outside of hollywood movies) whereas there are countless examples of people making shots from all over the court.

but i guess techinically there is a 50% chance they survive if you want to look at it that way. maybe superman rescues them or something. LOL

no it's more like saying when you fall in the ocean you have a 50% chance of living. you inserted an outside variable whereas i didn't.

besides, i've never heard of anybody who survived a situation like you described (outside of hollywood movies) whereas there are countless examples of people making shots from all over the court.

but i guess techinically there is a 50% chance they survive if you want to look at it that way. maybe superman rescues them or something. LOL

Don't try and be a hero.

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OK!

You must have missed that whole joke.

What I'm saying is a good PG gets the ball to guys in areas where their FG% is .50 or higher. It's not like a true PG just kicks the ball to a PF to take an 18 ft jumper that's 8 feet beyond his range.

i got your point, i was just giving you a hard time.