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Timone
02-08-2008, 12:04 AM
PHOENIX (Feb. 7) - A restaurateur angry at being denied a liquor license threatened to shoot people at the Super Bowl and drove to within sight of the stadium with a rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition before changing his mind, federal authorities said.

Kurt William Havelock said in a manifesto mailed Sunday to media outlets that he would "shed the blood of the innocent," according to court documents.

The documents say he was armed with an AR-15 assault-style rifle when he reached a parking lot near University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, where pre-game activities were happening.

"He waited about a minute and decided he couldn't do this," FBI agent Philip Thorlin testified at a detention hearing for Havelock on Tuesday.

Havelock's father testified that his son then called his fiancee and met his parents at his Tempe condominium.

"He was very upset, he was sobbing hysterically," Frank Havelock said. "He said, 'I've done something terribly, terribly wrong.'"

Kurt Havelock, 35, turned himself in and was charged Monday with mailing threatening communications. He is being held without bail. It was unclear whether he had a lawyer, and additional hearings have yet to be scheduled.

Federal authorities say Havelock was upset because his establishment was recently denied a liquor license by the city of Tempe, like Glendale a Phoenix suburb.

In the eight-page manifesto, Havelock said that the original site of the planned massacre was Phoenix's Desert Ridge Marketplace near Scottsdale, but that "scum and villainy" are in Scottsdale and that instead he would "shed the blood of the innocent."

"How many dollars will you lose? And all because you took my right to own a business from me," the manifesto said.

Glenn
02-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Wow.

Damn.

Glenn
02-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Also, "villainy" doesn't get used enough.

Tahoe
02-08-2008, 09:21 AM
Definately goes into the 'really bad ideas' category.

WTFchris
02-08-2008, 10:02 AM
I don't understand people like this. If you've got a beef with the city, why shoot innocent people? That proves nothing. Go to the city and crash into their building or something. I'm not condoning violence, but if your problem lies with them, then take the fight there. Protest outside or something. Change the name of your store to "The City of Tempe sucks my balls." But how does that send a message to kill innocent people?

Timone
02-08-2008, 10:03 AM
I honestly don't go to sporting events because of shit like that. Yes, it can happen anywhere, but I just feel extra paranoid going to a game or any other place where there will be large crowds of people.

WTFchris
02-08-2008, 10:05 AM
And it's not just this guy either. People don't attack their problems head on, they simply take it out on someone else.

Timone
02-08-2008, 10:05 AM
Yeah, and it's not just one person either. They usually want to take out a number of people.

Tahoe
02-08-2008, 10:07 AM
This guy did.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329767,00.html

Timone
02-08-2008, 10:10 AM
Honestly, if there are people out there who want to kill a bunch of people because they were denied a fucking liquor license I'm just going to be a recluse for the rest of my life.

WTFchris
02-08-2008, 10:23 AM
This guy did.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329767,00.html

well, at least he had the right target, but the wrong method. Storm in there and punch the mayor in the face or take a shit on his desk. Whatever. He could send his message and spend a few days in jail, rather than take lives like that.

Timone
02-08-2008, 10:25 AM
My friends in HS were sort've nerdy and I always suspected my one friend, Matt, would bring a gun to school and shoot everyone one day.

Zekyl
02-08-2008, 10:40 AM
Karl, I feel left out not being on your "yet to agree to a fight" list. I may just have to blow up a grocery store to show you my frustration and change your mind.

Timone
02-08-2008, 10:42 AM
Get me mad enough Zekyl.

MoTown
02-08-2008, 11:50 AM
He's a Clevelander... what else do you need?

b-diddy
02-08-2008, 02:05 PM
i cant believe he was denied a liquor license. i mean, on what grounds?

i wonder why he does not have a lawyer? is this the patriot act in motion?

Glenn
02-08-2008, 02:56 PM
Lots of cities are maxed out on their liquor licenses.

In some cases, you have to buy an existing one from another business.

Vinny would probably know more about that.

Tahoe
02-08-2008, 03:01 PM
Sounds like they might have made a pretty good decision. Would you want this guy running a bar in your town?

I don't think you can have many minor convictions either, no big ones.

Vinny
02-08-2008, 11:48 PM
Most cities it's pretty tough to get a liquor license.

In Chicago, all they give out anymore are "Incidental" licenses, which means liquor is only sold "Incidentally" to selling/providing some other form of service. Ie, you're primarily a restaurant serving food, but you also serve liquor to your dining guests or you're primarily a bowling alley but you also serve booze. Alot of bars opened under this loophole but even now they're cracking down on that, making it tougher to get any kind of license.

To get any kind of license, you first have to be approved by the city, pass a background check, sign a number of affidavits about how you're going to conduct your business, get approved by the local alderman, and then get approved by the neighborhood committee where you are operating.

I'm sure it doesn't sound easy but it's still even harder than it sounds. Alot of "naive" people have spent fortunes getting places set up assuming they'd get their license but then get denied or have to sit unopen for months/up to 2 years before they get approved.

b-diddy
02-09-2008, 01:11 AM
i worked with a guy who also owned a bar. he sold it because he said it wasnt worth the hastle. i got the sense it wasnt one of those teeny bopper bars where kids stand on each other's toes to pay 5 dollars for a bud light and drink 10 in one night... those things haveto be cash cows.

anyway, i believe his advice was the only way to get a license is to buy someone else's, which i believe he said is tied to the property.

ps: that was a joke about not understanding why the dude got denied. loading up a truck full of guns and planning on taking out civilians at a football game just because you got denied a license is definitly 'suggestive'. i concur, good job by the licensing committee. the system works!