time to grab him, Grizz gone insane, Gasol for Kwame + trash, just crazy

Flip, Primoz, Hayes, Herrmann plus our first round pick this year for Miller, Primoz and Walter can be traded Feb,14th

lets do it Joe!

to fill the end of the bench, we can bring back Dale and Dupree! :D

time to grab him, Grizz gone insane, Gasol for Kwame + trash, just crazy

Flip, Primoz, Hayes, Herrmann plus our first round pick this year for Miller, Primoz and Walter can be traded Feb,14th

lets do it Joe!

to fill the end of the bench, we can bring back Dale and Dupree! :D
ALL expirings. The Grizz get a first round pick and a bunch of cap space. I'd be willing to add the rights to that Minny 2nd as well. Why not, we're just giving them crap anyway. I guess Herrmann and Hayes could be ok. Flip could be the backup for Gay. Brezec takes up space on the floor (i was actually excited about his hustle at first, but its become a hindrance).

Also, to correct you, Gasol for Trash + trash :)

I'd take Mike Miller, he can have Jarvis' minutes...

He can have those minutes and a few extra. Give tay a few more minutes of rest every game, have him nice and fresh heading into the playoffs, with a proven scoring threat off the bench to sub for him. Unfortunately, this will never happen.

I would think Memphis could get a better youth return value elsewhere, no way we could swing a trade for MM with out getting rid of either Afflalo or Stuckey...

Would that be worth it to you? You might be able to convince me on giving up Afflalo for MM, but definitely not Stuckey...


Hell at least they got Crittenton in return for Pau, so we would have to trade them at least ONE player they can keep long-term...

I'd do Afflalo + expirings/picks for Miller. As it is, we don't look like winning it all this season, but a trade like this definately helps us now.

Getting mike miller would be crazy perfect for this team. What miller brings as a basketball player is exactly what this team has needed for the past 4 years.

Yeah, I like Mike's game. Sucks this won't happen. [smilie=banghead.gi:

Getting mike miller would be crazy perfect for this team. What miller brings as a basketball player is exactly what this team has needed for the past 4 years.

A woman's headband to keep the hair out of his eyes?

Sorry, that was way out of line, but I can't even stand to look at that dude.

WAY out of line.

I even thought about capitalizing "way", too.

If Mike knocked down his shots, I'd look past the fact he looks like a chick.

We had Delfino, who was a bigger fag than Mike Miller ever could be, after all.

I hate Mike Miller. That said, as you can see from the "It Happened... again" thread, I would love to have him on this team.

Yeah. The team is full of people I hate.

Flip Murray?

Don't kill me, Danzig.

Who?

Glenn.

Check the WTF FAQ.

I mean who is Flip Murray?

Even better. We do a three team deal with Memphis and Seattle. We give up expiring contracts and McDyess, we get get Miller and Chris Wilcox. Part of the remaining exchange sends Lowry from Memphis to Seattle. Picks involved as well. I haven't worked out all the details, but it would put us over the top.

Dealing Dyess would suck, but we need the stronger presence from Wilcox. Including Dyess was the only way I could see numbers ever matching up.

Seattle would do it because they could get even more salary flexibility and add Lowry and picks to give them what they need to add this offseason to last offseason and become the best young team in the league.

It would be good for Memphis because they too would have incredible flexibility - especially trading Miller's deal for Dyess. It continues whatever the heck they're currently doing.

The only real loser in the deal is Dyess. If there was any way to do the deal without including him I would do it. Do we have exceptions we can deal to even out some numbers? As it is, Miller and Wilcox combined this season only make $14.75 million.

miller has to have been on our radar for a while.

unfortunately, i dont think penny pincher would agree to adding a 6th big contract.

I actually liked the trade to get Wilcox and Mike Miller. Might as well try and throw Jarvis Hayes in the deal as well seeing as he only has a 1 yr contract. No way we would want Hayes if Miller was here.

He's an awesome 3pt shooter and just think of our 2nd unit. Stuckey, Amir, Max, Miller and Afflalo. Nice.

I'd love it. That would be killer! And he's not nearly as inconsistent as Jarvis.

honestly, mike miller is worth starting. I don't know who you'd start him over. His defense isnt invisible like JArvis, and he's not just a shooter. He can penetrate...mm...and finish. Not nearly as good as Stuckey but he can finish. HIs midrange, and 3's are really consistent. He can shoot off the dribble and has incredible range. I think we should bring Tay off the bench and let him dominate the offensive end in the 2nd unit. His ego isn't as big as rip's so hopefully he shouldnt have a problem.

BUT the grizzlies could get a much better package then a shitload of expirings

I'd rather have Tay's great D in the starting lineup and have Miller coming off the bench backing up Rip and Tay. Miller would be able to be THE man on the second unit and Tay wouldn't have to worry about trying to do too much, which seems to cause problems when he does. Miller has proven himself as an amazing 6th man before, so let him take over that role here (if we were to somehow ever get him). He'd own the floor.

I don't know who I'd have starting. Stuckey driving and kicking out to MIke MIller would be fucknig sick. but when the game's on the line tay's in at the 3.

We'd need Miller on the bench anyway. The more defense in the starting lineup the better, since playoff time they'll all be playing 48 minutes. :D

They'll play 44, and someone will have to clean up the extra time at SF and SG, and that will be where Miller gets his 8 minutes in the playoffs.

I heard that Cleveland may be taking a look at Miller, a package of Gooden and Gibson should get it done...

Problem is, Boobie is just as good of a 3 pt shooter as MM, and losing Gooden would hurt the Cavs, b/c he does give them SOME offensive help (at least more than Varejao), so if Ferry pulls this trigger...

Than more power to us. IMO. What has Mike Miller ever accomplished in this league??? When your on a team of nobodys your numbers are going to be a bit inflated (see Rashard Lewis who has made a career out of that logic)

What has Mike Miller ever accomplished in this league?
6th man of the year?

Than more power to us. IMO. What has Mike Miller ever accomplished in this league??? When your on a team of nobodys your numbers are going to be a bit inflated (see Rashard Lewis who has made a career out of that logic)

What has anybody on the Pistons' bench currently accomplished in the NBA?

I heard that Cleveland may be taking a look at Miller, a package of Gooden and Gibson should get it done...

Problem is, Boobie is just as good of a 3 pt shooter as MM, and losing Gooden would hurt the Cavs, b/c he does give them SOME offensive help (at least more than Varejao), so if Ferry pulls this trigger...

Than more power to us. IMO. What has Mike Miller ever accomplished in this league??? When your on a team of nobodys your numbers are going to be a bit inflated (see Rashard Lewis who has made a career out of that logic)

MM seems to be underrated on this board. He's got 6th man of the year, put up great numbers on TEAM USA this summer and has been solid for the past years in Memphis, who has never been past the first round of the playoffs.

8 seasons, scored 11+ ppg every single year. 35%+ 3 pt every year. Started 400 of 540 games in his career and the one year he didn't start the league honors him as the best guy not to.

That couldn't help our bench?

He's as ugly as they come, but I can learn to deal with that. Very much capable of backing up the 2 and the 3, could even cover 4 in a small ball set, though no reason to.

He could backup both spots while allowing us to still develop Stuckey in the regular season but take pressure off him for the playoffs.

Playoff rotation 1-3 would strictly be Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Miller and Hunter. Afflalo and Stuckey would only see the court in the 4th quarter of blowouts. I'm fine with that in the playoffs.

I agree. I'll probably have to avert me attention when he's in the game because I couldn't look at him, but I'd trade AA, expirings and a pick for him in a second. He'd be perfect off the bench as our first option.

he also make 8+ million.

we're not adding him.

i would love it, but its not gonna happen.

he also make 8+ million.

we're not adding him.

i would love it, but its not gonna happen.

We also lose 10 mil in salaries next year between Brezec, Murray, Hunter, Hayes and Herrmann.

Our rotation in 2009 would be (assuming AA and our first are sent)
Normal starers plus:
G Stuckey
G/F Miller
PF Max
F/C Amir
C Samb
Minny 2nd rounder (which is almost a first) that I would use on a PG.

that's a solid top 11, and you can fill in the remaining spots with whatever. Without the MLE we wouldn't be in tax level, which means we would not use it.

Ok, its possible, but it will not happen under any circumstances. I said that when this thread was started and I'm agreeing with Diddy now. As much as this makes sense to us, it won't happen.

I don't think it will happen either. I'm just saying that if Joe wants to do it from a talent side, he'll be fine from a financial side as well.

Miller is far better than anything we're going to sign in the offseason. I don't think its a matter of financial worry or anything of that sort on our side. I just don't think Memphis would give him to us for the package we could put together.

chris, are you considering salary escalation? we're probably adding 5 million in salaries just due to raises.

I say screw it, pay the tax if it brings us a title. But hey, that's just me, a poor college student who will never own a professional franchise.

Don't limit yourself Z.

chris, are you considering salary escalation? we're probably adding 5 million in salaries just due to raises.

I looked at next year's salary (which is when he makes 9 mil BTW, not this year).

We'd be at 67,821,639 plus the minny pick which would put us a couple million under the tax level (it has gone up 3-4 mil a year recently). That would be just enough to fill out the roster with vet min players.

It would be tight, but we'd also have the best starting 5 (do now IMO), a 6th man of the year canidate (in the top 3 with Barbosa and Manu) and still have all our young talented bench with another year of experience.

Keith isn't sure Miller is better than Hayes.

:cornbread text:??

By the way, I saw Joe in Saginaw Saturday. This is a true story. His son was in town as Country Day played Arthur Hill. His son is totally a cross between pops and Wayne Brady. Anyhow, as I passed Joe I told him Memphis was having a fire sale and we needed to get a piece of it. He said "If they are I'll be on the phone with them first thing Monday morning!" He laughed, I laughed. I know I sounded like a dork, but Joe's cool enough to let it slide and roll with it instead of being a prick, like a certain Laimbeer would have been.

Here's a picture of his kid.
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/50/502918m.jpg

I say screw it, pay the tax if it brings us a title. But hey, that's just me, a poor college student who will never own a professional franchise.

Only partially random since you mentioned it, but in what field are you majoring?

By the way, I saw Joe in Saginaw Saturday. This is a true story. His son was in town as Country Day played Arthur Hill. His son is totally a cross between pops and Wayne Brady. Anyhow, as I passed Joe I told him Memphis was having a fire sale and we needed to get a piece of it. He said "If they are I'll be on the phone with them first thing Monday morning!"

He knows he wants Darko back.

Only partially random since you mentioned it, but in what field are you majoring?
I can't seem to decide. I'm taking HR classes and E-Commerce classes, one's going to by my major and one my minor.

Cavs in pursuit of MIke Miller again...I pray they don't go a Gooden and Lowry for Gooden and Donyell and Snow swap...please

Wouldn't be the first time Miller was traded for Gooden.

i love when people keep getting traded for each other.

outside chance it happens with kidd / marbury again?

depends on how long Marbury has left. I could see Marbury in a package with a piece that NJ would want, but only if his contract is up fairly soon.

expires same time. dont know how zeke would swing that deal.

Would you rather take Magette or Mike Miller?

I think I'd rather have Miller. He's instant scoring off the bench. He's (unfortunately) a better fit in Flip's jump shooting, 3pt oriented offense as well.

Plus Maggette and Rip would just fight each other all day long.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/nba/profiles/players/65x90/3404.jpg

Very flattering.

Would you rather take Magette or Mike Miller?

I'd rather have Miller because Maggs will be a FA after this year and want to be a starter somewhere anyway. Miller would be a good 6th man for a couple years and take pressure off Stuckey to score.

You'd have Stuckey driving and dishing to a guy that's a killer shooter. It'd be perfect.

Maybe we should go get Kapono (lol)

I saw somewhere where someone suggested we trade Chauncey for Mike Miller and Mike Conley.

How much did Conley even play this year?