nevada caucusi are gathering now for the reps, and the dems will gather later today.

south carolina's republican primary is also today.

i suspect today will not clear the waters too much, especially on the red side.

GO BO! And GO ANYONE cept Huckabee!

the fuck? romney already won the nevada caucus projected at 1% reporting. huh? paul would come in second with 17% of the vote. im confused.

dem caucus results coming in, SC results later today for pubs!

lol, classic.

quick recap for those who do not know. culinary union endorsed BO, which pissed off clintons. clinton supporters filed a lawsuit pettitioning caususes from being held in casinos (note, this wasnt an issue before they endorsed BO, but now it is. you decide), that lawsuit went in BO's favor.

now the clintons are claiming that the union endorsed BO without consulting its constituents, and that a large portion want hilary.

now, bill claims a caucus goer went up to him and told him he was voting hilary, and then some dude went up to that caucus goer and told her that he would fix it so she couldnt vote then. the lintons are saying this is coming from BO's camp and that HE is actually the one that wants to suppress votes.

primary season is without a doubt the best drama on tv.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4326/mittmitfudge75d92d9gs1.jpg

bill clinton giving fox news the cold shoulder hard. thats great. fuck fox news.

I think its certainly his right but what a pussy. Can't handle some real questions bill? You big puss

Hold it. He talked to them.

speculation that hilary will protest the nevada results if she loses due to voter supression.

high comedy coming from the person who just tried to defacto disenfranchise 200,000 workers on the strip.

50% to 45% hilary. speculation they might be able to declare a winner soon.

hilary thinks she won by 4 - 5%

hilary wins. im devistated.

Obama won more delegates than Hillary did -- 13 to 12.

It turns out they have a quasi-electoral college thing going at the Nevada state level, so while Obama got slightly less of the popular vote, he did better overall in the state (everywhere but Clark Countny) and wins overall:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD8U99ECO1


Nevada was the first western state in competition in the presidential nominating contests. Clinton won the popular vote, but Barack Obama edged her out for national convention delegates at stake, taking 13 to her 12.

It should be noted that Obama got the same # of electable delegates as Clinton in NH, despite her narrow win, and got the same in Iowa. He hasn't lost in the elected delegate math in any state thus far. Innnnnteresting...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660914/

damnit, and i was aware of this nonsense too. god am i a moron. however, i only knew this in regard to the general election, maybe didnt realize it applied to the primaries.

BO needs to be shouting this from the rooftops. it would really help with perceptions, going into super tuesday.

I think a SC win will give him more momentum going into Super Tuesday. What isn't clear to me is the impact of Florida on any of them. Theoretically, it has no impact since no delegates are at stake, but all the candidates are on the ballot.

Well............. I guess I'm in McCains camp. I couldn't vote for Huck, ever..cept vs Hillary.

So a middle of the road Republican it is.

McCain vs BO would make an interesting race..fighting for the indis. I think McCain would beat Hillary.

quick q. from what i watched of the primaries today, i would say bill got about 10 to 20 x more coverage than hilary. did anyone else notice this.

the question: is this hilary's campaign or bill's campaign? im down with obama, but two more terms of bill would be much more palatable than two terms of hilary.

i realize i might be about 12 months behind the pack here, but today was kind of a wake up call. i mean, if its gonna be president hilary in the kitchen making sandwiches while the boys talk politics, im cool with that.

wow.

The guys I listen to have been saying that Bill has been hurting Hillary, UNTIL TONIGHT. They said Bill helped Hill out a huge amount in Nevada. They said he was there all week, pounding the pavement, etc. Props to Bill. I just wish he wouldn't be trying to get my worst fear elected Prez.

ps: if i were obama's strategist, i would paint this as obama vs bill, and suggest that hilary is just a puppet. well, put better than that, anyway. this is kind of counterintuitive, because clinton is obviously wildly popular and if he were running this wouldnt be much of a race.

but there would be something ingenuous (not sure thats the word im looking for) electing the first woman president when we really are just electing a former president again.

but if obama posed the question: "am i running against hilary or bill?" i think it could really work out well for him.

something to concider from a guy who's working on bottle #2 of 3 buck chuck.

The guys I listen to have been saying that Bill has been hurting Hillary, UNTIL TONIGHT. They said Bill helped Hill out a huge amount in Nevada. They said he was there all week, pounding the pavement, etc. Props to Bill. I just wish he wouldn't be trying to get my worst fear elected Prez.

i dont know. i heard that he was sent to obama strongholds in NH and completely tore them up. but no doubt he was the man in nevada.

I remember you saying that....re:NH.

GO MCCAIN! He seems to be my only hope to pull some indis or maybe even some conservative Dems and others who hate Hill.

i liked him alot in 2000. however, he seems to have sold his soul to GWHB's croneys since then. not only does that offend me, i think that makes him unelectable.

too bad. at one point i thought he would have been the perfect president. however, months back i rolled out a poll how ~30 % of the country would not vote for a nominee >70 years old, i dont think that applies to mcain. his mom is still alive. if your mom is still alive, all qs about your age are resolved, i beleive.

ive taken political identification tests where i identify 100% with hilary (grrrrre!!!) but i think i would still rather mcain than hil. but only by a hair.

i think a dem will hold office in 09, though.

McCain reported for his neocon evangelist brainwashing after 2000. Every now and then, he fights it, but then returns to the Bush script.

I think McCain more than any other politician is going to tell you the truth. BO is right there with him...I think anyway...I don't know that much about BO.

Another thing I like about McCain is that he isn't religious. Not his thing. I think that is why so many indis will vote for him.

He was going to sink or swim with the surge. He's stayed pretty much steadfast in his feelings about the war. Agree with them or disagree with them, peeps felt like they knew where he stood. When the surge started working and things got better in Iraq, he got some momentum going again.

I'd say that was true in 2000, but I'm not so sure now. I sense restraint and Prozac in many of his recent interviews, like he could've blown a gasket over something, if not for something getting in the way. He went from blasting the 'agent of intolerance' Jerry Falwell to speaking at his university, now supports teaching of intelligent design in schools, had a recent "conversion" from being Episcopalian to Baptist, went from blasting the Confederate flag to supporting it as a sign of heritage, then back again, etc. He's pandering. Of course, all politicians pander to some degree, even the Ron Paul/Russ Feingold types, but pandering to the religious folks scares the crap out of me.

Oh, there's one exception -- this politician does not pander:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc233/Jacques415/Cthulhu-elections.gif

Same boat, loved McCain in 2000, now I hate him more than hill. The steroid thing offended the hell outa me.

Oh, there's one exception -- this politician does not pander:
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc233/Jacques415/Cthulhu-elections.gif

Shh! Don't wake him!

Same boat, loved McCain in 2000, now I hate him more than hill. The steroid thing offended the hell outa me.
What steroid thing?

I thought he's been consistently anti-steroids in baseball, but honestly I haven't paid too much attention. The federal involvement in America's pastime is part of the pandering all politicians do. I'm against the antitrust exception that baseball has because it encourages such political antics, and distracts from the serious business of running the country.

Holy shit, now we need to know what the candidates stance on steroids are? <---joking

mxy...McCain won't give 2 squirts of piss about promoting the religious rights agenda if he's elected.

mxy...McCain won't give 2 squirts of piss about promoting the religious rights agenda if he's elected.
I had similar thoughts when I voted for Bush Sr. I figured the 1970s moderate pro-choice guy who coined "voodoo economics" would reassert himself once President in 1988. That never quite happened, though I think that history will be kinder to Bush Sr.'s term when (inevitably) compared to Bush Jr. I suspect McCain will be content to let bad things happen on many fronts. He talks the talk, but at the end of the day, he's not a maverick on many fronts.

i agree, sr seemed to have the nations interest at heart, i dont think that is true of jr, and i think it will show that way in the books.

UMxy...McCain has done more to vote no on any bill filled with pork than any other. He's more of a maverick than any others

And yet, spending and the deficit ballooned under McCain's watch with many periods of Republican majorities, going back to the Reagan daze. He talks a Merrie Melodie, but consistently campaigns for the Porky Pigs in the end -- a classic enabler. Contrast with William Proxmire (one of my all-time favorites), who single-handedly killed many acts of stupid spending as a senator fighting against peers and other politicians for decades, sacrificing any Presidential ambitions as a consequence.

Because the deficit went up while he was a Senator doesn't mean he didn't fight it.

He can't 'change' DC all by himself as a Senator. He'll have more of a chance as the Prez.

I just can't point at any pork he's actually led the charge at stopping. He never voted against the bridge to nowhere, didn't even coin the term. He missed the vote against the $1 millon for the Woodstock museum. He voted for the $3 million for grizzly bear mating habits he likes to bemoan. Am I missing something here?

McCain led the senate committee on steroids. I would sooner a politician led the committee on giving children AIDS. It was nothing but a opportunity to be a loudmouth on a subject the public is consistently behind, no job for the goverment. I watched most days intently, and the man I once percieved as an openminded leader just became just another grandstander.

Straight-talk my ass.

So you guys are saying you aren't going to support him (money) and vote for him? :)

I already voted for McCain in a primary once, and it didn't work out. :)