The Knicks are 9-26. They beat the Bulls in Chicago last week.

lol are yyou trying to make a case for the knicks? fuck beating the bulls itsmore like the knicks have jamal crawford.

Pistons win by 30 but jamal drops 30 too.

I was trying to find something, anything that might make peeps think this will not be a blowout Piston win.

We're not exactly tearing it up right now.

I was trying to find something, anything that might make peeps think this will not be a blowout Piston win.

We're not exactly tearing it up right now.
4 games in 5 nights in 4 towns.

Yep, if we lose, it'll prolly be more on us.

IBTMBASL

Pistons visiting the circus tonight...

A Tahoe poll?

Brilliant.

Something about a scheduling loss, right?

In before The Mailman blames a scheduling loss?

^ I like yours better...

this might be

random funny stat: Eddy Curry is leading the Knicks with 0.56 blocks per game! :D

What channel is this on?

I didn't even know there was a game on tonight. I have a meeting to go to at 7 so I'll be trying to catch the second half.

What channel is this on?

FSN Detroit

This is our first game back there since the triple-OT loss where Rip scored 51, right?

Whomever did the poll???? Please make voting public next time. thx

I'm getting the Knick announcers on NBA TV

send a memo to the pistons, please. For the love of god, stop letting Prince go 1-on-1. When he can't post up, he's a terrible offensive player.

SCHEDULING LOSS

Wow 32 maybe 33 pt first half by the Pistons. Tell me they aren't in a funk right now.


What a shitty call by the ref on Rip btw

WDFN reports that after the Pistons lost to the Knicks that CBill said, "We beat ourselves"

Yep, "It wasn't them, it was us".

I like that scheduling loss thing better than CBill's talk.

Time for an ol' school comeback.

send a memo to the pistons, please. For the love of god, stop letting Prince go 1-on-1. When he can't post up, he's a terrible offensive player.

tayshaun's problem is that he:

a). doesn't have the strength to back people down and
b). doesn't have the quickness to get by them

he needs to catch the ball on the low block, NOT start from the three point line and back his way down. it's painful to watch him isolated that far away from the rim.

If Tay gets the ball as the defender is charging him and he can give his lil upfake, he's ok out there.

Ok, we're down 14 on the road, lets take a bunch of 3's.

If Tay gets the ball as the defender is charging him and he can give his lil upfake, he's ok out there.

sometimes...but i rarely seen Tayshaun make a quick fake and just take it to the hole. he almost always shows a fake, but doesn't move, waiting for his man to catch up. anyone else notice this?

we look lethargic as hell. put in Maxiell and Herrmann for some energy.

re: post #2...Does Cross have edit rights? :)

I know its not over yet, but just sayin

PUT THE ENTIRE 2ND UNIT IN

omfg this is fucking pathetic.

Mercy rule?

lol at CBIll spinner to the wrong team

woooooo.....nice move by Jamal Crawford!

where's Cross!?!

Cross' post might be Sig material

I'm officially ok if Tayshaun is dealt for a slasher at the deadline. He just can't score against anybody that isn't half his size. His defense isn't a help at all if he hurts this team by going 0-10 from the floor.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR BALL!

Doo wop, diddy diddy, doo wop

38 points in 34 minutes. hilarious.

Damn.

Our chances for 73-9 don't look so good now.

i wonder how bad it would have to get for Joe D to get ansy and trade some of those expiring contracts and a starter....

38 points in 34 minutes. hilarious.


Oh yeah? We scored 36 in 40.

we're the only team in the NBA that can't win a game in NY.

30-0 fourth quarter and we run away with a W

I don't think JoeD gets antsy. He weathers these storms. Never gets too high or too low.

At the rate we're going, we're gonna score 6 points in Q4.

I don't think JoeD gets antsy. He weathers these storms. Never gets too high or too low.

true.

but i think he's smart enough (and ballsy enough) to pull the trigger if he thinks there's an opportunity to get better via trade.

Absolutely Matt, its just that we went through that last stretch where we couldn't lose a game if we had too.

This is what you Pisstains fans get for talking shit about my Celtics.

i blame Flip Saunders.

http://www.metrotimes.com/20/29/Images/artsNotFade2.jpg

Absolutely Matt, its just that we went through that last stretch where we couldn't lose a game if we had too.

i'm not saying Joe D needs to push the panic button.....i'm just curious with the trade deadline approaching, what'll push him to start looking...

Just checked in.

What the fuck?!

Afflalo = superman.

The Pistons haven't won a championship since they got rid of Darvin Ham.

Just a thought.

damn nice pass by Stuckey

Brezec likes to dunk.

If they can somehow find a way to lose this game by 15, I don't want to say they'll have momentum heading into the Toronto game but...

Upcoming games...

Toronto at our place on Tuesday, Sac at our place on Friday and at Chicago on Saturday.

Brezec likes to dunk.

I think he likes the high % shots. :)

If they can somehow find a way to lose this game by 15, I don't want to say they'll have momentum heading into the Toronto game but...

I've been watching a lot of the primaries lately and that sounds like lots of spin too me. Very familiar.

I think he likes the high % shots. :)

he's trying to pad our points in the paint stat.....

6 pts to avoid a frachise record loss....

Cross jynxed us. Its all his fault. Not flips

heh, at least we're winning the rebounding battle tonight....42-39 Pistons.

4 games in 5 nights in 4 towns.

Good call Herm.

3 more points!!

Aint gonna happen

Knick announcers giving Brezec some props actually. Saying, you're up, you don't need to be ally-ooping it.

Amir dunk!!

and 1!!

AJ makes the FT and we avoid it Matt

*vomit*

LOL, i feel like the Nets when they broke out 70 points against record......

Can't wait for CBills comments on this one. I won't get most of them, but I'll be reading.

'Sheed: does he not shower again tonight?

so you wait until the dead tired starters,plus Max,Hayes are down 20+ before you put in guys like Brezec and Amir, great job Flip!

Agree Joe A.

Rip with 3pts? Holy shit batman

Brezec and Amir on their best nights weren't going to mount a comeback. At least the the starters have the ability, if not the heart.

garbage time started in the 4th. It is what it is.

Brezec and Amir on their best nights weren't going to mount a comeback. At least the the starters have the ability, if not the heart.

garbage time started in the 4th. It is what it is.

after 40+ min the starters played yesterday, even a blind coach could have seen this coming, why in hell put in the starter again to finish the 2nd Q? after 40+ last night? why not use your depth, Amir,Brezec and Herrmann should have gotten a chance in the 2nd Q...who knows if they could make a comeback or not, but this was just embarrassing, we didnt give ourself a chance today...and thats not just the starters not showing up, its Flips incompetence!

In case you missed the game, I'll explain it to you: This team HAD NO "depth" TONIGHT.

Stuckey, Maxiell, Hermann, Hayes and Afflalo were incapable tonight. Flip can't go to his 11th and 12th men in the 2nd quarter.

But yes, it was flip's fault he didn't go to his 6-11 guys in his rotation earlier. Oh wait, they shot a combined 6-27. The 12th man owned though.

Find me the last time a coach emptied the end of his bench in the 2nd quarter, and I might actually believe you have a clue.

All that matters is what gusman thinks.

Gus...?

from what i remember, the bench was in much of the 2nd, and the Knicks started to increase their lead. Stuckey, Maxiell, and Hayes were in for a long stretch in the 2nd quarter.

from what i remember, the bench was in much of the 2nd, and the Knicks started to increase their lead. Stuckey, Maxiell, and Hayes were in for a long stretch in the 2nd quarter.

Obvious, Flip was incompetent for not going straight to Brezec straight after the ball was tipped. What an incompetent coach.

Phil Jackson would have put Cobe Karl in by then, I bet.

i still believe the Pistons got the most talented 1-12 crew, even fucking Hollinger agrees...Brecez= starting Center in Charlotte, Herrmann was starting for them last season too, and Amir you know he can bring some hustle...seriously even when the other bench guys sucked, it was obvious the starters were just too tired to turn this thing around, and thats why i still believe you could have given the other guys a chance earlier, if you don't use your depth in a game like this, you will never use it, if you wanna have some nice scrubs playing garbage time you can get that cheaper than what you pay the 9-12 guys...

cheaper? the 7th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14, and 15th players are all on expiring deals...

Yep, Flip's fault for not going to his 11th and 12th men in the 2nd quarter...

Hilarious. Flip plays his bench, and you say it's his fault for not playing the guys BELOW the guys on his bench...

Can't wait for CBills comments on this one. I won't get most of them, but I'll be reading.
If it doesn't involve spreading ass cheeks and Isiah wielding a sex toy named Zach Bubba, it's not going to be very insightful about tonight's so-called game.

NOTHING TOPS APPALACHIAN STATE THOUGH.

whats the point of a 12 man roster again? yes Stuckey,AA, Max and Hayes sucked big time today too, just like the starters...but who knows if the other 3 guys could have made a difference earlier ? it could have been possible, i am not saying they could have turned it around or anything like that, but they are legitimate nba players, perhaps it wouldnt turned out to be as ugly as this, tying historic low?!

LOL @ Chauncey giving Amir props after he heard they narrowly avoided a franchise worst point total.

whats the point of a 12 man roster again? yes Stuckey,AA, Max and Hayes sucked big time today too, just like the starters...but who knows if the other 3 guys could have made a difference earlier ? it could have been possible, i am not saying they could have turned it around or anything like that, but they are legitimate nba players, perhaps it wouldnt turned out to be as ugly as this, tying historic low?!

The starters had far better odds chance of putting it together than Amir and Brezec did of bringing the team back from a 15-point deficit.

the point of 11th and 12th men are injury/foul insurance. They are not out there to play rotation minutes and saying Flip is incompetent for doing what every coach in the hall of fame would have done is absurd to the point of hilarity.

The funniest part is you're going after saunders while completely excusing Tayshaun Prince tanking so badly he went 0-10 and actually screwed up an inbounds play so routine most 7th graders would have pulled it off correctly.

I have nothing really negative to say here... this is clearly such an abnormal "Pistons are bored and not even trying" occurance that it doesn't matter to me. I care about regular season games as it pertains to the playoffs. Certain losses stick in my craw because of how we manage things that we will need to win in the playoffs. this one? not so much. It's the Knicks. If we go on a 5 game losing streak now or something then maybe i revisit this loss, but i could care less right now.

Just add a swingman that can create his own shot. Just one, please Joe. I'm officially tied of watching Prince go 1-on-1 and not score.

Just add a swingman that can create his own shot. Just one, please Joe. I'm officially tied of watching Prince go 1-on-1 and not score.

That would require trading a starter (A swingman can't really create his own shot from the pine). That is not True Blue Collar.

Fine with me. Give Prince a bus ticket out of here. He's tanked far too many games this season.

Maggette would be ideal at this point.

uh, leave prince alone. until he starts dogging it in the playoffs consistently he's probably the most secure piston. atleast in my book.

seriously, why do people give a fuck if we win these games? we've already made the playoffs. right now, we should be focusing on winning playoff series, not meaningless januarary games.

Lookie that.. I voted for the Knicks. I can see into the future.
Or the poll was still open after the final buzzer

Having read the entire thread all I have to say is I agree with Kstat... and I feel dirty.

Just add a swingman that can create his own shot. Just one, please Joe. I'm officially tied of watching Prince go 1-on-1 and not score.
He's inconsistent, but its a stretch to say he can't create his own shot as if all the successful pull ups and drives to the basket all magically vanished from memory. I haven't read this whole thread, but my hope is that you're not scapegoating actually Prince in these past few losses and tough games. we probably lose that Bobcat game w/o him and i'm surprised to hear you of all people jumping ship into "fun with trades" zone, i'll have to document this along with the time you criticized flip.

Prince is nothing more than a spot-up shooter against people that he can't post up.

Any physical small forward renders prince useless offensively. I'm sick of watching him disappear.

He's great against a smaller player, but put him against LeBron, Pierce or any physical forward, and he's useless offensively. Enough.

Wow, Rip with 3 points

Prince is nothing more than a spot-up shooter against people that he can't post up.

Any physical small forward renders prince useless offensively. I'm sick of watching him disappear.

He's great against a smaller player, but put him against LeBron, Pierce or any physical forward, and he's useless offensively. Enough.

the fuck? who are you going to bring in to shut down lebron??? the fact that LJ lit us up last year was on the coaching staff, not one dude. prince is an all-defense type sf who cant dominate everyone, but dominates most. the fact that he's pretty much taking the regular season off is great news for rational fans. he will be our best player in the playoffs yet again this year.

its fucking january. we might as well have traded guys for not bringing it in the preseason.

uh, leave prince alone. until he starts dogging it in the playoffs consistently he's probably the most secure piston. atleast in my book.

seriously, why do people give a fuck if we win these games? we've already made the playoffs. right now, we should be focusing on winning playoff series, not meaningless januarary games.

yup

and im sorry guys shouldve said jamal only drops 20 and we only lose by 20:( fucking bullshit

We lost by 24.

the fuck? who are you going to bring in to shut down lebron??? the fact that LJ lit us up last year was on the coaching staff, not one dude. prince is an all-defense type sf who cant dominate everyone, but dominates most. the fact that he's pretty much taking the regular season off is great news for rational fans. he will be our best player in the playoffs yet again this year.

its fucking january. we might as well have traded guys for not bringing it in the preseason.


Nobody's asking Prince to shut down lebron. But it wouldn't be too much to ask for a wing that can SCORE against LeBron, or Pierce, or any of the dozen other small forwards that Tayshaun goes Michael Curry against and vanishes, because when he can't get position down low, he turns into a brick machine.

I am of the opinion that we would actually be much deadlier if our system were re-arranged so Prince was a primary option on offense - he's a walking mismatch 80 percent of the time. Of course this could be forced if Tay would grow some balls.

That's the key point. Tay has the ability, he is just WAY too passive about things. He has great mismatches but he fails to execute them constantly.

Rip has a lot of mismatches too, especially when the other team puts that big guard on Chauncey. Rip rarely delivers in that context.

Is there anyone on the team that is playing good right now?

hopefully tay is just riding the tide, keeping out of the way and saving it for the playoffs. if he plays like this in the playoffs i would concider these concerns legit, right now i think theyre ridiculous.

Nobody was complaining about anybody a week and a half ago. We were off the charts or something.

I just noticed tay's an awful 27/71 from 3point land..but then again Prince was never an above 40% shooter from there anyways.

Tayshaun just has these stretches of shooting poorly and then bouncing back after a few games.

To reply to Taeho's post, it's the knicks and when you shoot0-10, you know you dont't have the hothand, but its not like anyone did today.During our winning streak a week ago, tay shot 50/141...but that was overshadowed by rip's great shooting % during that span so yeah. Tayshaun shooting 2-7 is much more noticable than rip shooting 8-14

Prince is nothing more than a spot-up shooter against people that he can't post up.

Any physical small forward renders prince useless offensively. I'm sick of watching him disappear.

He's great against a smaller player, but put him against LeBron, Pierce or any physical forward, and he's useless offensively. Enough.
Again this is said as if he isnt one of our most important playoff performers and as if all the plays he's made in iso vanished from your memory. If you want to target his passive mentality, no argument there. But calling nothing more than a spot up shooter is the worst assessment i've heard of any Piston by anybody here.

I just noticed tay's an awful 27/71 from 3point land..but then again Prince was never an above 40% shooter from there anyways.
38% isn't awful at all. Note that such a percentage, if spread out over a career, would put him at 63rd amongst all-time 3P shooters.

yea, the general rule is anything over 33% is pretty good, since shooting 33% from 3's is equivalent to shooting 50%. 27/ 71 is actually excellent.

Flip loves to cite that.

I can't say that I'm thrilled with how Prince has played but I think that the team is simply flawed to the point that we will live and die as a jump shooting team until somebody steps up. I was hoping that it would be Prince but it doesn't ever seem to happen. Here's the deal:

This team really lacks a slasher/penetrator - we live and die by the jumpshot.

We have a PF that doen't like to rebound or play inside that much yet he is our only post game.

This team hates to rebound on the offensive end and often retreats after a shot.

The starters look bored and lazy.

This team is deep and can easily go 10-11 players in.

We typically slowly walk the ball up the court and don't even start the offense until there is 15 or 16 left on the shot clock. That is a personal pet peeve.

Our coach sucks but he's what we have right now.

This team CAN win a Championship but there needs to be a change of attitude and style before the playoffs.

I am of the opinion that we would actually be much deadlier if our system were re-arranged so Prince was a primary option on offense - he's a walking mismatch 80 percent of the time. Of course this could be forced if Tay would grow some balls.

...did you watch last night? Prince WAS the primary offensive option! It was god-awful watching him attempt to back down Q, realize he couldn't do it, and fire up the same fugly contested jumper that he never fucking makes.

Again this is said as if he isnt one of our most important playoff performers and as if all the plays he's made in iso vanished from your memory. If you want to target his passive mentality, no argument there. But calling nothing more than a spot up shooter is the worst assessment i've heard of any Piston by anybody here.

Be my guest and find me the lack time he showed up in a playoff series against anybody that wasn't half his size.

Yes, against finesse forwards or smaller forwards, he's fine. But put him against Jefferson, Pierce, Lebron, etc, and he vanishes.

Prince can't slash and he can't his a damn jumper off the dribble. Other than standing in a corner and hitting spot-up shots, he can't help offensively when he can't post up.

ok, prince plays best against mismatches. welcome to the nba. the fact that he is a horrendous mismatch vs 3/4 of the nba is pricisely why we want to keep him. yes, he gets bullied by physical smallforwards. but you tolerate that because he brings so much to the table otherwise. he is probably responsible for more playoff wins than anyone on our roster. we would be fools to get rid of him.

Remember, after 2004 and until this year, Tayshaun's played without much of a net and has played the most games of anyone in the NBA.

In our last playoff series against the Cavs, LeBron only broke 40% shooting 3 times out of 6, and Tay was not a foul machine putting him to the line oodles of times. That's pretty good on Tay's part. Where LeBron was successful was simply wearing Tay down to the point where he was useless offensively.

i think we often put Tayshaun in a situation where he's uncomfortable. that's when he's isolated near the three point line. he's a great low post scorer with the baby hook, but when he's too high, it seems like he forces things way too often. he's a terrible shooter off the dribble, can't really get past his man off the dribble, and often doesn't have the strength to back his man down to a comfortable distance.

why not run him off some curls, like rip, and get the ball to him deep? i'd like to see more of that, rather than giving him the ball at the three point line and everyone clearing out.

Why not.....
Flip Saunders

why not run him off some curls, like rip, and get the ball to him deep? i'd like to see more of that, rather than giving him the ball at the three point line and everyone clearing out.

Because, like last night, when he's up against a stronger SF, he can't get any post position.

Be my guest and find me the lack time he showed up in a playoff series against anybody that wasn't half his size.
In other words you're making an exaggerated asterisk the norm? You said he was nothing more than a spot up shooter. that was a lie. Again point out his strength mismatch against the elite big body SF's if you want, nothing really to argue there. He's not going to get as many post chances and they are going to go at him physically much as bigger SG's go at Rip.


Yes, against finesse forwards or smaller forwards, he's fine. But put him against Jefferson, Pierce, Lebron, etc, and he vanishes.
I'd get into why this becomes an issue, but MXy covered it.

In our last playoff series against the Cavs, LeBron only broke 40% shooting 3 times out of 6, and Tay was not a foul machine putting him to the line oodles of times. That's pretty good on Tay's part. Where LeBron was successful was simply wearing Tay down to the point where he was useless offensively.
Same could be said for what he was going through dealing with Gerald Wallace bull driving at him 70 percent of the time in Charlotte.


Prince can't slash and he can't his a damn jumper off the dribble. Other than standing in a corner and hitting spot-up shots, he can't help offensively when he can't post up.
Am I talking to Flip Saunders? I'll live with him busting his ass on defense, on the boards, and hustling even if it wears out his offense from time to time. But maybe we should trade him, Affalo, and Hunter for a scorer who wont wear himself out on defense and let the other guy score to keep from from getting worn out. A Michael Redd type at SF, maybe a Radmonivic. [smilie=heatsmiley2:

Dont get me wrong Kstat, I probably hate his inconsistency more than you. But i know he does more than just shoot 3 pointers, so i doubt trading him makes us better when the games we do win are the result of our defense more than our offense.

...did you watch last night? Prince WAS the primary offensive option! It was god-awful watching him attempt to back down Q, realize he couldn't do it, and fire up the same fugly contested jumper that he never fucking makes.

I wouldn't use last night as an example of anything. I mean, the whole team would ahve to be traded if one did.

I wouldn't use last night as an example of anything. I mean, the whole team would ahve to be traded if one did.
And we would trade them for the NYK players...

Going to try this again...


Zach Randolph a Piston!!!!