I just finished watching ESPN's Around the Horn and a question was asked as the whether the Pistons or Celtics could beat the Western Conf. winner for the NBA title. All four thought that the Celtics had a good chance and ALL FOUR sports reporters dismissed the Pistons as inferior to the Celtics and didn't even discuss the Piston's chances. I know that the Celtics have the big three and all but WOW! I was a bit surprised to say the least. Maybe we should change our name to the Detroit Dangerfields. No Respect!!

Figures. That's what I expect from a show with Jay fucking Mariotti (Chicago faggot), Woody Paige (not that bad, but still an idiot), and those other two clowns.

Not a chance? I mean, I'm not asking them to consider us shoe-ins, but no chance? We BEAT the Celtics!

Well, looks like the Pistons are back to having to prove themselves on the court. I welcome it.

Well, looks like the Pistons are back to having to prove themselves on the court. I welcome it.

I agree. Chips on shoulders are better than big heads.

Of course, it's not that I think the Pistons have that chip because some losers from Around The Horn dismiss them. They haven't been talked about at all this year (unless they play Boston).

Last year I recall everyone saying with Webber they were "hungrier", "playing as good since '04" and shit like that.

we'll beat the C's. around the horn has kind of marginalized itself, imo. its more baffonery than anything.

Following, on PTI, Dan LeRetard said there was 0% chance the Pistons were better than the Celtics. LeRetard said, "put the rosters next to each other, I'm taking the best three players." I wanted Kornheiser to retort that there were five players on the court, but he's too much of a dumbass.

Yeah, I watched that. Kornheiser said 78% the Pistons are better than the Celtics.

Following, on PTI, Dan LeRetard said there was 0% chance the Pistons were better than the Celtics. LeRetard said, "put the rosters next to each other, I'm taking the best three players." I wanted Kornheiser to retort that there were five players on the court, but he's too much of a dumbass.

i almost had the exact same post, except i was gonna call him dan the retard.

Dan Le Retard.

What a joke. I can't wait until the ECF.

I hope the NBA has to "settle" for another "boring" and "dreadful" Spurs/Pistons NBA Finals again...

Following, on PTI, Dan LeRetard said there was 0% chance the Pistons were better than the Celtics. LeRetard said, "put the rosters next to each other, I'm taking the best three players." I wanted Kornheiser to retort that there were five players on the court, but he's too much of a dumbass.
Tony said the Pistons had the best 5, though. Dan kept trying to say "what 3 guys would you take" but Tony just shrugged it off with "Pistons have the better starting 5". He should have thrown in how they have the vastly better bench as well.

tony allen
Glen Davis
Eddie House
Scot Pollard
James Posey(whose 7 points a game is vastly underrated if you ask yargs)
Leon Powe
Gabe Pruitt
Brian Scalabrine
vs
Rodney Stuckey
Arron Affalo
Jason Maxiell
Walter Hermann
Primoz Brezec
Jarvis hayes
Amir Johnson
Lindsey Hunter
Flip Murray

IMO its not even close and Posey decent SF, but imho Hayes is better overall and I'd take Hermann even over him.

I'd say Posey and Hayes is a draw. Nothing really makes either one of them better than the other, as they're essentially the same to me. Correct me if I'm wrong.

That being said, the Pistons' bench vs Boston's is a no contest.

Brian Scalabrinie?
Scot Pollard?

I'd take Tony Delk over most of Boston's bench.

:yingyang:

I'd take Elden Campbell over any of their bigs. The boston bench is pretty mcuh shit. Tony Allen was good shit before he got injured but now he's just as bad as Eddie House. Posey provides some perimeter D but doesn't every team need one of those guys off the bench?

Poseys D >> Hayes D but Jarvis's offense >> Poseys. We have Valter though so we win.

I also heard that KG's really high on Rondo and said he could be the best player in the league in 2 years.........I bet you half the gms in this league would take Stuckey over Rondo.

I don't know why I'm against Boston. The team is legit, look at their wins. Maybe it's because they havent played San an, dallas or phoenix yet. Mayb e it's because Detroits almost like the cinderella team to win the east. I can't wait for the playoffs. Blow by every team in the east and take Boston's pussy ass to 6 and beat em.

We 17-2 against the east with those 2 losses coming from the baby bitches.

I also heard that KG's really high on Rondo and said he could be the best player in the league in 2 years


LOL!!!!

I think I love KG a little TOO much for a reason.

I also heard that KG's really high on Rondo and said he could be the best player in the league in 2 years.........I bet you half the gms in this league would take Stuckey over Rondo.

Nice!

that was inevitable lol

Hunter's jumpers > rondos jumpers

fuck

Did Rondo even take a single jumper in that Pistons-Celtics game?

The only player from the Celtics bench I would consider putting on this team is Glen Davis. The rest of those guys are terrible.

The way I see it is the Celtics are the sexy team this year. Every year there is a new team that everyone is high on. They want to talk about how good that team is and how they can dethrone the Pistons. Last year it was the Bulls, the two years before was the Heat (yes they did win one season), and before that was the Pacers... Talking about the Pistons is boring to them, because they have been elite for so long. Plus the Pistons have always played as a team, and not a flashy bunch of individuals.

But guess which team is there year in and year out. And that pisses off the media to no end... so much so that they make an effort to talk trash about them.

The way I see it is the Celtics are the sexy team this year. Every year there is a new team that ESPN is high on. They want to talk about how good that team is and how they can dethrone the Pistons. Last year it was the Bulls, the two years before was the Heat (yes they did win one season), and before that was the Pacers... Talking about the Pistons is boring to them, because they have been elite for so long. Plus the Pistons have always played as a team, and not a flashy bunch of individuals.



Fiksed...for my liking anyways :)

I'm surprised they haven't dug up more ring campers to fill Boston's bench.

Give it some time. Gary Payton is still lobbying.

Charles Barkley and Karl Malone just bought an apartment together in Boston.

it's cliche, but the only team that can beat the pistons in a 7 game series is the pistons.

seriously. we have everything we need to win it all. we don't need to 'tweak' anymore we can just let this team grow together.

while i'm not in agreement with all his subs, i must give flip some credit because he's using our bench better than i ever thought i'd see him do. if we can get our kids some real playing experience now, the whole team will be better for the playoffs and future years to come.

also, it makes the starters play with more of a sense of urgency (best aspect of it all actually) because they know their minutes will be cut even more if they're not playing with high intensity.

finally, by cutting each starter's minutes by just 3 minutes a game, that works out to about 8 less games played over the course of the season. that is significant believe it or not, as late in the playoffs we'll be a lot fresher.

anyway boston can take us to 6 games. maybe 7 if we get sloppy. they are not as good as they're hyped to be or as good as their record, but they are better than some want to give them credit for. PLUS with the 'superstar' factor, and the fact they have 3 stars, you just know they're going to get a TON of calls throughout the playoffs. that's a huge factor.

it's one thing going against wade or lebron. but the big 3 will get more whistles than any team we've had to go against IMO. so that could be an x-factor. but beyond that, we have a far superior bench to them. we literally go 12 deep or more and we can be very productive. they have nobody off the bench that scares me at all.

i just hope we don't draw a pesky team like the bulls in round 1 because that would wear us out a bit. OK i'm blabbing way off topic.... :o)

Extremely solid analysis that, in my opinion, is right on the money. Unless the perfect deal comes around just let the roster sit and mold themselves together. Don't screw with it and see what we can do. We've got what it takes, its just a matter of focus and continuing what we've been doing.

Come on guys, we all know.... Big 3 > Boring 12

tony allen
Glen Davis
Eddie House
Scot Pollard
James Posey(whose 7 points a game is vastly underrated if you ask yargs)
Leon Powe
Gabe Pruitt
Brian Scalabrine
vs
Rodney Stuckey
Arron Affalo
Jason Maxiell
Walter Hermann
Primoz Brezec
Jarvis hayes
Amir Johnson
Lindsey Hunter
Flip Murray

IMO its not even close and Posey decent SF, but imho Hayes is better overall and I'd take Hermann even over him.

Hayes and Hermann are nice players but neither of them is as complete of a player as Posey. He's a vastly better defender and rebounder and has the size, athletic ability and skill to guard the opposing team's best wing player and does so to close out games. It's just what the celitcs needed as this ability to defend permits guys like allen and pierce the opportunity to expend energy on the offensive end of the floor since both are asked to play big minutes.

His value is not about his 7ppg (although you still have to defend james posey because he can knock down the 3 point shot- % right around 40)

Anyone that knows anything about basketball understands how valuable james posey is to the boston celtics. He was a very good pick-up for them.

Now is he a better fit than hayes or hermann on the pistons? That point could be debated but I would say no because we already have a defensive "specialist" in tayshaun prince and rather need scoring/instant offense more than defense from our back-up 3 and, in my opinion, both hayes and hermann are more skilled/efficient on the offensive end of the floor.

With all that being said I hate James Posey with a burning passion. With all the positives about his game he's also one of the dumbest humans on the planet.

Well, to be fair to the dumbasses... the Flip Saunders era Pistons have only proven that they can go to the ECF and go down like bitches, so maybe they are just following history?

Personally I think we fare better against Boston because they don't have the one almighty unstoppable perimeter superstar (Wade/Lebron) that will run all over us. Pierce is great but he is not that guy, we actually do better against "teams" like us because we can match up at every position.

If we win tomorrow, every single one will say we are a contender, and none will say Boston is. They just want to get people to post about their show on message boards so people will tune in to see what they say next.

I think that people rate Posey a little too highly. He has never been a great scorer and he is getting older. I don't exactly recall teams beating down his door when he was a FA. I would rather have Jarvis Hayes for the spark he brings off of the bench and his ability to score in bunches.

Celtics bench consists of a bunch of players who together split a MLE because nobody else wanted to give them a multi-year, or even a one year deal...

Pistons Bench >>>>>>>>>>> Celtics Bench..not even close

Posey scored 0 pts Vs. us in the December game. He has a ring, but he wasn't one of the main contributors to that Heat team. He's a decent little player, who when left ungarded, can knock down a 3 from the corner, he's a lousy defender, and I wouldn't want him on my team.

Posey is not a "lousy" defender.

He knocked the shit out of Hinrich. Mad propz.

Posey is not a "lousy" defender.


"slightly below average"

He's not what he was when he helped the Grizzlies win 50 games.

His better days (for however long those lasted), are far behind him.

Posey is still a solid defender, but him and Jarvis Hayes are basically a wash. Jarvis gives more offense, Posey more defense. Until Boston gets a backup PG, they will go nowhere in the playoffs.

Posey is not a "lousy" defender.
He's not as great as advertised either. When Eddie Jones came back he looked better on defense.

darkobetterthanmelo disagrees with me that Kendrick Perkins is NOT a top 10 center in the East...

Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Rasheed Wallace
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Andrew Bogut
Eddy Curry (ehh...)
Shaquille O'Neal (ehh...)
Brendan Haywood
Emeka Okafor
Jermaine O'Neal
Antonio McDyess
Samuel Dalembert
Al Horford

thats more than ten right there I'd rather have than Perkins, and if Krstic ever were to become the player he was before he tore his ACL, he's another one...

also throw Andray Blatche up there

Kendrick Perkins = garbage

Al Horford is not a C, he's a PF/SF tweener. McDyess is barely a C, Sheed is playing C for us, when we have McDyess and Max out there, we're essentially playing to PFs. Jermaine O'Neal is a PF, that's why you see Jeff Foster and Scott Pollard (is he still with them) on the floor with him. Bosh is a PF, Bargnani is playing C for them.

Although, I would rather have all of those players over Perkins (except Shaq, at this point I'd take Perkins of Shaq because he's become useless).

Pollard plays for our pals in Boston (barely).