Absent significant injury, this team is going to win 60 games and lose in the playoffs because of Flip Saunders.

Ready for the dream season ?

Agree

Agree2.

I would stab myself in the face to have Larry back.

Hell, I'd do it for you.

That would be the right way.

Is this because of all the mean things I say about Flip Murray? :emo kid:

No, I just want LB back, and if that is what it takes, then you, my friend, are collateral damage.

^ Glenn, tell your boy Stephen A to tell his boy Larry Brown that "we" forgive him and there will be a head coaching job available after the season.

It might be good to mention that winning another Championship might just get him the Cavs GM spot this time.

If I had to deal with Larry Brown again, I'd stab you in the face too...

Kstat is always there when you need to hear the company line from the Palace, lol

Hey K, why did you quit the WTF fantasy hoops league?

That sucks.

I'd stab Paul Pierce in the face for Larry Brown.

I'd stab Flip Saunders in the face to create the vacancy for LB.

Kstat is always there when you need to hear the company line from the Palace, lol


Not my fault if you can't deal with reality.

Larry didn't want to be here, and he proved it by getting completely outcoached in the finals. Let it go.

If it helps you sleep at night to believe I'm a Pistons employee, so be it. Denial is better than facing the facts, I suppose.

WHAT HE WANTS DOESN'T MATTER!!

I love how Larry was the reason we won, and Flip was the reason we lost. Never does Flip get credit for the Pistons winning, while Brown gets way too much credit. Its stupid.

I love it too.

I love how Larry was the reason we won, and Flip was the reason we lost. Never does Flip get credit for the Pistons winning. Its stupid.

No matter how many games the pistons win under Flip, the bottom line will always be playoff flame-outs against teams they should have beaten.

No matter how many games the pistons win under Flip, the bottom line will always be playoff flame-outs against teams they should have beaten.
As your attorney, I cannot advise this.

they should have beaten the cavs. Of Course, the Pistons should have beaten the Spurs too, and then Larry decided it would be fun to watch Tayshaun guard Tim Duncan in the 4th quarter of a game 7 of the nba finals.

Flip Saunders could very easily win the championship this year. No doubt there will be some sort of excuse set up then, too.

A lot of people think Flip can't do anything right.

I SAY HOGWASH!!

LOOK AT HIS DAUGHTERS

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/Mindance4/IMG_0192.jpg

One on the left.

Some nice ol' Ukrainian bytchez.

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I usually don't go for chicks with that look, but I'd do that singer. Fo times, seventeen times.

I'm a fan of lip rings.

You're awesome, Fool. Don't ever change.

I kinda like the song too.

Woah, off topic...

To be fair, here's LB's daughter.

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/brown0721.jpg

You see Larry's wife? Dude's what, 64? He's pulling hot 30 year old ass.

Well, she LOOKS like she's 30.

Fucking Glenn. Always showing me up.
Well played.

I forgot how much I missed Mrs. Brown

I love how Larry was the reason we won, and Flip was the reason we lost. Never does Flip get credit for the Pistons winning, while Brown gets way too much credit. Its stupid.

This has sig potential.

Hopefully yargs sees this post.

Can't find any pics of Shelly (LB's wife).

http://www.aceonsports.com/uploaded_images/larry_brown-739587.jpg

He's thinking about Shelly changing his piss bag in that pic, methinks.

Remember when Larry used to get mad at the refs and smile?

^MANCRUSH?

SO....BACK ON TOPIC

This is a very good (jumpshooting) team.

Any 67 year old (or however old he is) that gets tail like that is a hero of mine.

LB is so brilliant that he single-handedly removed all pics of his wife from the internets.

Only thing I hate Larry for was when he had to keep missing games because of his hip and Gar Heard was the coach.

I don't have sound since I'm on my parents computer. Anyone want to clue me in as to who the band/girl singing was?

Bif Naked "Twitch"

they should have beaten the cavs. Of Course, the Pistons should have beaten the Spurs too, and then Larry decided it would be fun to watch Tayshaun guard Tim Duncan in the 4th quarter of a game 7 of the nba finals.


There's a difference between getting beaten in 7 by a team that is as good or better than you and sputtering out with four straight losses to a team that had no business winning that series and didn't even belong in the same gym as the spurs.



Flip Saunders could very easily win the championship this year. No doubt there will be some sort of excuse set up then, too.

Then he'll be forgiven. We won't forget, though.

There is no doubt that LB is 100000000x the playoff coach Flip is but 2005 was the start of the Pistons taking off games in the playoffs and that was under LB. The Heat outplayed the Pistons in the ECF and Joe D might as well have suited me and 11 other useless scrubs up for the first two games of the Finals they way they played.

This has sig potential.

Hopefully yargs sees this post.

Excuse the length but I can't resist. I hate Flip Saunders too much. I honestly believe he's Carlos Delino-retarded.

Larry Brown was a major reason why this team won in 2004 but also the biggest reason this team lost in 2005. He had given up on the team and was a new york knickerbocker (mentally) by the time the second round of the playoffs began. It was to the point where the team was having strategy planning sessions with dumars rather than their head coach. Even then the team was still almost good enough to win.

Larry Brown needed to go. He won his championship and thought coaching in the big apple was what he really wanted....when what he really wants out of life is control, something he wasn't going to get in Detroit or New York which is why he's currently not in either of these places. He was a spoiled, egotistical pre-madonna. Normally I'll tell someone like that to fuck off but he did win a championship for us.

With all that being said, Larry Brown is, without debate, a much better coach than Flip Saunders. Brown understands that defense, rebounding and getting easy/high percentage shot opportunities wins basketball games (which was why he was anti-3 pointer). He also holds players accountable for their performance on the floor but takes responsibility when the games over.

Flip Saunders, on the other hand, is all about offensive efficiency and nothing much else. And quite frankly, he's pretty darned good at it. Unfortunately it takes more than that to win basketball important basketball games.

When you consistently lose in the playoffs to teams that aren't as good as you talent-wise leadership must be held accountable. Flip Saunders is a major reason why this team loses the further it goes in the playoffs because his offensive efficiency focus doesn't work well the further you go in the playoffs (but works really well against the atlantas, milwaukees, memphises, new jerseys and golden states of the world) not to mention his rotations are inconsistent and sometimes unexplainable, the bigger the game the worse and more confusing his decisions appear to get.

Whether it's forgetting about Ben Wallace in the 2006 playoffs, not just the ECF or benching jason maxiell after he single-handedly wins game 2 in the 2007 ECF or playing Nazr Mohammed in an elimination game in the playoffs when he hasn't played in 3 weeks or by starting the 4th quarter in an elimination game in the WCF in 2004 by having cassell, sprewell and garnett all riding the pine in a game they were trailing at the time (the lakers immediately went on a 10-0 run putting the game practically out of reach)...well....that was the beginning of his madness that has continued to his decision making abilities today (such as against sacramento, chicago and the lakers)

Until this team stops losing to lesser teams in the playoffs I will always hold leadership (flip and also Joe dumars) accountable. That's life.

I'll say it again, I don't care if they go 15-2 in December. The only 15 victories that matter occur when the second season begins. Hell, he was outcoached twice by a guy that was just fired.

And yes, I will gladly eat crow if proven incorrect (which isn't going to happen).

Tell me I didn't see someone try to compare the Game 7 loss to SA to the ECF flameouts of the last two years? Particularly last two years. Gimme a fucking break. Those are the San Antonio fucking Spurs - only the team of the decade. CLeveland was fucking beneath us.

Flip is ok, but when it takes you 2 or 3 full games in the playoffs to come up with an adjustment because the other guys are aggressively trapping your point guard, something's wrong. Then, after Lebron lit us up, he reacts by essentially calling a blitz on every damn play.

What it really comes down to is Flip's "defense comes from good offense" philosophy. He believes that good defense comes from playing good offense. It's a correlation in his mind, he's not ignoring the D but he's focusing on offense to raise our defensive energy? So what happens when your offense sucks then? We don't have a high impact scorer - we ARE going to get into scoring slumps, it happened many times during the Finals runs and in following years - 4 straight years our offense sputtered in the playoffs. If offense-->defense, and our offense sucks, then what's going to happen? Wade and Lebron running all over us is what's going to happen.

Brown understand that with a team like this, defense has to come first, always.

The only way the Pistons win the championship is if they can beat the other team while playing SHIT offense. If our defense depends on how good our offense is at that moment, we are screwed because our offense always gets ends up sucking at a certain point (around the ECF, remember that Pacers series, or the Miami or Cleveland ones). Can we shoot 39% and still defend the Boston Celtics into submission? If yes, then we can win the title.

There's a difference between getting beaten in 7 by a team that is as good or better than you and sputtering out with four straight losses to a team that had no business winning that series and didn't even belong in the same gym as the spurs.
QFT.......

LB is so brilliant that he single-handedly removed all pics of his wife from the internets.
http://www.hamptons.com/gallery/articles/1040j.jpg
Last one left suuposedly. :emo kid:

What the fuck? If that really is her, she REALLY fell off.

What the fuck? If that really is her, she REALLY fell off.


WTFDetroit: Where dreams getting shattered happens

Erections dying happen here too.

dug a lil deeper.
http://fdimg.sv.publicus.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=FD&Date=20071211&Category=GJSPORTS_01&ArtNo=712110104&Ref=AR&MaxW=250
She's unfortunately the chick next to jason veritek. apparently not even larry wants to be next to her now.

I think she's the one next to LB.

I think she's the one next to LB.
nope the pic stated she's next to veritak

the other chick is onetta bobbett next to larry
http://www.northeastpageants.com/images/Oneta.jpg
http://www.mrsinternational.com/contestantspics/2_63_pic.JPG

The lady with the black scarf is not Shelly Brown.

I think you are getting some bad info.

The lady with the black scarf is not Shelly Brown.

I think you are getting some bad info.
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071211/GJSPORTS_01/712110104/-1/FOSSPORTS02

face the truth. she fell off like a ton of bricks and grew her hair. alsso its consistent with that first pic i showed of her..

Yeah, I hope you are...

FUCK! GUess not.

Clearly she misses Detroit.

I'm suggesting that the caption is wrong.

I'm suggesting that the caption is wrong.
and the first pic of the chick that looks like the chick in the scarf? I guess dreams are getting shattered with denial to boot. [smilie=blaha.gif]

lol @ Glenn taking it worse than me.

I don't really care, other than thinking that whomever wrote the caption made a mistake.

lol, this thread is hilarious. Very NCAA-esque.

I like the random Bubbles the Lion sniper post.

I'd stab Paul Pierce in the face for Larry Brown.

still the best post of the entire thread

This is the real Shelly Brown (http://images.askmen.com/galleries/celeb-profiles-model/jessica-alba/pictures/jessica-alba-picture-1.jpg).

Here's another pic of the real Shelly Brown:

http://acjs.net/weblog/2005/04/19/happy_birthday_jardoopa/Guerra

Damn, I thought gee was coming through to prove that I am right.

I can't be the only one that can see that the broad on the right in post #47 (the real Shelly) isn't the same person on the right in #51, but I do believe that I am about to be made out to look that way.

I got it: Larry has hired someone to play his wife.

I feel bad for Bubbles. I think we have violated the spirit and intent of his thread.

Maybe we should all just try really hard to stay on topic?

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOLOLOOL

BWaaaa haaa haaa

The problem with Flip Saunders offense in the playoffs, is he stops running it.
I realize that the defense steps it up in the playoffs, but that is no excuse to go into iso plays and stop moving the ball. LB moved the ball, ate clock, and ran the same plays over and over until they stopped working. Flip (or his players both accountable to him) will stop doing what works, not because the defense dictates that, but just because. I have no explanation for it. Hell, last year Webber was a force in the post, and we completely ignored him. Tay was always an option for basket cuts, but after a few in a row, we just stop....why?
When the high percentage plays are working, for some reason the team suddenly starts running around, over dribbling, and taking 20 foot jumpers. And that isn't an indictment on Billups, the ball is usually out of his hands by the time that garbage happens.

Oh, and that Cleveland series, are you F-ing kidding me? Mike Brown traps Billups the whole series and we have no adjustment for that? I don't know jack shit about coaching the game, but I could have drawn up something to slaughter that garbage.

As for Game 7 against SAS, Prince was on Duncan because everyone else of value was in foul trouble. IF it wasn't Prince, Wallace, Wallace, Dice would have fouled out, or we would have had garbage on Duncan for him to Abuse anyway.

I feel bad for Bubbles. I think we have violated the spirit and intent of his thread.

Maybe we should all just try really hard to stay on topic?

LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOLOLOOL

BWaaaa haaa haaa

GET OFF MY PLANE!!

There is no doubt in my mind this is the best team in the league. I wouldn't take any other roster in the NBA over what we have this year. Even the Troika in Boston and SAS. This is the first time I've ever thought we are superior to the Spurs. And this is what makes me so damn angry, the only thing in the world that can screw this up is a shitty coach in the playoffs. Which we have.
Or injuries, which we never seem to have.

On the bright side, Flip has made some strides this season in how much the bench is utilized. But I do not like what I saw in the Chicago games. Those games had playoff D and Flip once again had no idea what to do.

shit, busted

I got it: Larry has hired someone to play his wife.
LOL...Glenn has the most subtle denial you'll ever see. He is masterful in making his passive aggressive point.

As for Game 7 against SAS, Prince was on Duncan because everyone else of value was in foul trouble. IF it wasn't Prince, Wallace, Wallace, Dice would have fouled out, or we would have had garbage on Duncan for him to Abuse anyway.
You forget that Elden came in and did pretty well. And even if all Elden did was foul Duncan hard a few times and get him to the line, that wouldn't have been a bad move given TD's lack of confidence at that moment. GRrrr...

http://img36.exs.cx/img36/8982/lbw.jpg

Ah will the real Shelly Brown please stand up? :mccosky:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09302006/photos/knicks044.jpg

Her looks have followed the same trajectory as LB's coaching career since 04.

you guys are such losers. LB is sitting at home with his wife laughing his ass off at you guys drooling over his woman....


http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5605/threescompany5ee8.jpg

You guys remember how we'd play coming out of halftime under LB? His adjustments were ridiculous.

You guys remember how we'd play coming out of halftime under LB? His adjustments were ridiculous.

aren't we dominating 3rd quarters this season, too? to play devil's advocate, how come Flip doesn't get credit for his halftime adjustments?

aren't we dominating 3rd quarters this season, too? to play devil's advocate, how come Flip doesn't get credit for his halftime adjustments?

Same reason the team never gets any credit for its defense since Ben Wallace left. People refuse to let go.

aren't we dominating 3rd quarters this season, too? to play devil's advocate, how come Flip doesn't get credit for his halftime adjustments?
Actually his whole staff should. Much as LB's should. I thought outside of Gar heard he had one of the better staffs in this league. Flip's previous staff was nut scrubbing ball licking talking heads(fuck sidney lowe)...Coaching is not a one man thing these days and credit to Dumars for forcing Flip to hire quality assistants. To me they are the true x factor to any improvements you see coaching wise. Same to mike woodson and LB's crew. With that said flip vs lb one on one coaching isnt even close and i'd take LB.

aren't we dominating 3rd quarters this season, too? to play devil's advocate, how come Flip doesn't get credit for his halftime adjustments?

How about a big fat who cares? Can Flip make adjustments in the playoffs? Can he make his offense work in the playoffs without changing it completely?
Flip should get credit for things this season. The team is playing defense. The Bench is more involved. The players have a swagger about them to totally demoralize and destroy the other team. That killer instinct has been missing since 05. But can it translate into the post season?

That is the question that needs to be answered. I'm not saying LB was infallible, but that brand of basketball still wins, it seemlessly moves into the post season. Remember the mantra under LB? The Pistons are built for the playoffs not for the regular season. That focus only shifted because of game 7 against the Spurs, when home court advantage became the "thing"

Clock control , high percentage and defense always works, consistently. It may not win 60 games a year, but it will get a good team to back to back finals. LB's approach worked not because it's brilliant, but because it never changed.

Flips offense can win, I think it can. We have the talent to run it. Even in the post season and tight games. I think that Boston game is an example of what FLIP SHOULD DO in the playoffs. And those Bulls games are examples of what doesn't work.
If Saunders does not learn to stick to his plan going into the post season, this team is doomed to failure again as soon as they face a team that can shut down their isolation play garbage. The only change the Pistons should make is intensity focus. Schematically, the plays should be run as they are during the regular season.
Teams have no answer for this team when we just run the damn offense. If Jerry Sloan were the coach, I honestly question if we would ever lose a game.

The problem with Flip Saunders offense in the playoffs, is he stops running it.
I realize that the defense steps it up in the playoffs, but that is no excuse to go into iso plays and stop moving the ball. LB moved the ball, ate clock, and ran the same plays over and over until they stopped working. Flip (or his players both accountable to him) will stop doing what works, not because the defense dictates that, but just because. I have no explanation for it. Hell, last year Webber was a force in the post, and we completely ignored him. Tay was always an option for basket cuts, but after a few in a row, we just stop....why?
When the high percentage plays are working, for some reason the team suddenly starts running around, over dribbling, and taking 20 foot jumpers. And that isn't an indictment on Billups, the ball is usually out of his hands by the time that garbage happens.

Oh, and that Cleveland series, are you F-ing kidding me? Mike Brown traps Billups the whole series and we have no adjustment for that? I don't know jack shit about coaching the game, but I could have drawn up something to slaughter that garbage.

As for Game 7 against SAS, Prince was on Duncan because everyone else of value was in foul trouble. IF it wasn't Prince, Wallace, Wallace, Dice would have fouled out, or we would have had garbage on Duncan for him to Abuse anyway.

Good post

I'm hopeful The Flipper has learned something though (prays). We have the talent, and the bench, to get it done this year. the last piece is Flip learning to make an f'ing adjustment in the playoffs. The defense is good this year so I'm hoping Flipper has lessened on his moronic "the defense is driven by our offense" central stance.

aren't we dominating 3rd quarters this season, too? to play devil's advocate, how come Flip doesn't get credit for his halftime adjustments?

Because it's meaningless regular season games? When it doesn't take him 3 fucking games to adjust to MIKE FUCKING BROWN trapping Billups, a guy who isn't a good coach.

I mean i'm not all doom and gloom, I *AM* impressed that our opponent's scoring average is under 90 points... but I was also impressed at various points during the 05-06 regular season, and the 06-07 regular season. It seems to take Flip 2 playoff games longer than everyone else to recognize what the problems are.

We used to have a coach just like that ... (http://asapblogs.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/25/rick.jpg)

DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?

I'M RICK FUCKING CARLISLE

He is who we thought he was!!

And we let him off the hook!