http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3163962


Looks like Primoz Brezec's tenure in Detroit is probably going to end before it began...

Fourteen-year veteran Chris Webber is close to returning to the NBA, with the Pistons his likely destination, a source close to Webber told ESPN.com.

"Look for him to be back the first week of January," the source said.

Looks like Primoz Brezec's tenure in Detroit is probably going to end before it began...

There is a conspiracy against him.

After Flip didn't put him in vs the Celts, I thought it was prolly just Flip, but then JoeD didn't fire Flip for not playing him so I'm thinkin this conspiracy reaches the top levels of the organization.

Then it dawned on me, the Bobcats are in on it, the Pistons (Davidson included) are in on it, but if both teams are in on it, this thing goes to the top. STERN! You bastard! LET HIM PLAY!

UGH.

I'd rather keep Brezec too, but I don't think we could get a 2nd round pick for Flip Murray...maybe one for '09 or '10...

otherwise, I think Brezec will be waived

Dumars already made it clear, that C-Webb will not take minutes away from the starters or Jason Maxiell, he is only here to be a "ring-catcher" and use up his 6 fouls on guys who are punishing us down low (KG, LeBron, Dwight Howard) come playoff time...

and as an added bonus, he can score...if needed, so we won't have to be playing 4 on 5 basketball like we did when Elden Campbell or Dale Davis were in the playoff games

He's going to take minutes from Kander is where he is going to take minutes from.

mike abdenour

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3163962

i love c-webb. and he could make some contribution to this team. but not in anything more than 5-8 minutes here and there, not even every night. seriously he should not play many minutes at all.

he should be between #12-15 on the roster IF we want him back.

and i think it would be flip murray who is the odd man out. i think with stuckey coming back and hunter playing well, it makes more sense to move murray.

true, murray could step in if someone is injured but somebody has to go. i think brezec and hermann could contribute some point down the line so i wouldn't want to see either of them cut.

overall i'm just not that interested in c-webb coming back because i like what we have and i don't know that an aging big man with little or no lift left in his legs is what is missing. yes he's a great passer and decent rebounder. but his rapidly diminishing athleticism and mobility really hinders us against certain opponents.

i prefer the little youth movement we have going and would prefer to see that develop for the rest of the year. JMO

we dont need an aging power forward. the only big man we should be thinking about getting is an honest Center.

and this idea of CWebb coming back but being low on the depth chart is a pure fantasy that people are coming up with to justify getting him. If he comes, he's either starting or he's the sixth man. In either case those minutes are coming from MAXIELL and Amir/Brezec. You can fool yourself for so long but in the end you know that's what Flip Saunders is gonna do. If you're ok with that, cool, but I think Maxiell has earned his minutes. He's playing well. And frankly we need make our rotation as idiotproof as possible for Saunders.

i liked brezec too, but it was obvious he wasnt going to have a role on this team. we no longer abide by the grind em out, slow it down type game we were known for. if your not scoring, your not playing on this team. hence, webber will probably be taking maxiell's time before you know it.

I don't know bdid, that was a pretty low score vs Boston.

you're right and that's my biggest fear. i can just see webber's minutes increasing until he's playing 20+ a night (if not starting) and our young guys suffer.

that would suck for a variety of reasons. not only have the kids earned their minutes, but they give us the ENERGY and ATHLETICISM that we so badly need. that was the whole reason for not re-signing webber in the offseason; we needed them to have time to develop.

to abandon that plan now would be stupid especially when webber is not 'the missing ingredient' to a true championship run. in fact, playing him regular minutes or elevating him on the depth chart would eventually HINDER our chances to make that run IMO.

Honestly, given the choice between the two, I'd rather have C-Webb than Brezec...

assuming they will both have the same role (limited to no minutes)

http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?CFID=5715029&CFTOKEN=12920856


per McCoskey, the rumor by JA Adande is untrue...Dumars likes the roster as is

I like Mayce Christopher Webber, the dignified intellectual and collector of important historical documents from African-American history. C-Webb the basketball player, not so much.

I'll wait to see what Keith L. thinks about this before I decide how I feel.

Can't speak for the real Keith, but E.K. has made his opinion known on this matter.

I pretty much don't make any decisions until I run them by Keith, first.

We could easily trade Brezec to Miami for a second rounder (he's expiring and they need a center), and their second would be pretty good unless they have a massive turn around.

We could easily trade Brezec to Miami for a second rounder (he's expiring and they need a center), and their second would be pretty good unless they have a massive turn around.

What is in the water around here lately? (not just you, Chris, but in this instance, you)

Send a legit NBA center with an expiring deal to another Eastern team for a measley 2nd round pick? A hated rival at that?

I like trades as much as the next guy, but do you guys just like making them for the sake of making them?

I'm just saying rather than cut him IF they want Webber back. I don't even want Webber back and want to stand pat (which I said yesterday).

Yeah, all the weird trade talk is more fantasy nonsense going out of control. And apparently :mccosky: says Webber is not (http://info.detnews.com/redesign/blogs/pistonsblog/index.cfm?blogid=1114) coming back.

Just because the party is full doesn't mean you don't let some hot chicks in. You just boot a couple of the butterfaces out the slider in back.

CWebb in Miami doesn't make a lot of sense.

If he plays, it won't be for the money, he'll want to win.

Going to Dallas to ball with Juwan makes a lot of sense.

Maybe they'll sign Jalen, too?

ASB also said C-Webb is probably not in the plans, and that Joe likes the roster as it is...

Just because the party is full doesn't mean you don't let some hot chicks in. You just boot a couple of the butterfaces out the slider in back.
Yeah but you can't just be letting a bunch of old bitches into the party. They need to go home and take care of they kids.

Of course, if they really wanted to bring in CWebb to be the 4th/5th big man, they could get a pretty nice player in exchange for Brezec/Murray's expiring deals ($4.6m combined, which would allow them to bring back an MLE-type player making as much as $5.75m) and then sign Webber for the vet's minimum.

I doubt that a penny of payroll is going to be added, though.

i dont think you can trade brezec as part of a combo for a bit still.

Which would you rather have though??

Brezec & Murray or C-Webb at the vets minimum, neither will have an affect on next year's payroll, but I'd think that C-Webb gives you more production, whereas the other 2 just give you depth

Which would you rather have though??

Brezec & Murray or C-Webb at the vets minimum, neither will have an affect on next year's payroll, but I'd think that C-Webb gives you more production, whereas the other 2 just give you depth

The example that I mentioned was Brezec/Murray traded for a MLE caliber player AND Webber is then signed.

i dont think you can trade brezec as part of a combo for a bit still.

2 months

The example that I mentioned was Brezec/Murray traded for a MLE caliber player AND Webber is then signed.


I'd do it. Hell, even throw Herrmann in that deal to boost the return value.

But the Pistons would most likely need to be willing to take on the future years/salary of the MLE player in question's contract, since it is doubtful that another team would be willing to trade us someone with an expiring MLE-level deal that we would want in return.

Which is another good reason, of many, why this probably wouldn't happen.

If the MLE player is an expiring, then yes. But it won't be. Anyone dumping a decent MLE player is going to have multiple years left, or they'd simply keep him. Since I don't want a MLE player that will take away from Stuckey, AA, Amir and Max down the road, what possible MLE player would we want long term? A center? Good MLE centers don't exist or they'd keep him.

I'd rather just roll with what he have right now. I highly doubt Flip would only play Webber for 10 minutes a night anyway.

Dumars already made it clear, that C-Webb will not take minutes away from the starters or Jason Maxiell, he is only here to be a "ring-catcher" and use up his 6 fouls on guys who are punishing us down low (KG, LeBron, Dwight Howard) come playoff time...

and as an added bonus, he can score...if needed, so we won't have to be playing 4 on 5 basketball like we did when Elden Campbell or Dale Davis were in the playoff games
The problem with this is that Webber doesn't play good defense. That's why I hate this idea so much.

Don't worry, it was just a rumor started by J.A. Adande who's agent told him it was fact so it could boost his interest...


Dumars has already refuted the rumor...

Thank god. See, I drop out of the loop for a day and a half to go visit with some family and crazy shit starts happening. Stockton just can't spend any time on the bench, I guess.

Thank god. See, I drop out of the loop for a day and a half to go visit with some family and crazy shit starts happening. Stockton just can't spend any time on the bench, I guess.

Um, this is your TRUE family, John/Zekyl.

I'll never abandon you guys again!

:mccosky:


Webber will 'definitely play,' but there's no room with Pistons

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

Agent Aaron Goodwin continues to stump for his out-of-work client, Chris Webber. He reached out to the Sacramento Bee this week, saying, "He's not retiring this year. He's definitely playing. It's just going to be a matter of where. He'll definitely play, and he'll definitely make a decision within the next few weeks."

It might not be his decision. Thus far, there haven't been too many teams knocking down his door -- though Houston sure needs some front-court help.

"Any team that's got an opportunity to be in the playoffs, he'd have interest in," Goodwin said. "But Detroit by far would be the front-runner. It's home, and it's where he played a year ago. He knows the system."

Right now there is no room at the Pistons' Inn for C-Webb.

Ok, so can this thread get swatted now?

...Maybe deleted?

Please?

I don't want Webber back, but I do sorta feel bad for the guy, he so clearly wants to play for Detroit, that he and his agent and his "sources" keep bringing it up and leaking to the media and all that jazz.

I like Webber. I just don't like him on this team.

I'll have no problem with him as a waterboy in Flip Murray's spot. He wants a bandwagon ring fuck it, hop aboard.

I like Webber, but his game is gone.

Yeah, he told me the same thing.

I'd take webber over Brezec after seeing more of Brezec.

why not bring back webber???????? We are just going to lose to boston or cleveland anyways. just like the kenny chesney song we are going back to cleveland and losing, the best we can hope for is cleveland playing boston in the second round that way we can play boston in the ECF and say that we made it there again. can someone please explain to me how we are going to make to the nba finals, boston is 3x the media draw of the pistons, the pistons are the losing wrestler in the wwf we are the randy macho man savage of the world, i wish it were not this way but i cant see any differently atleast not lately, so in conclusion the only way that I see us beating boston is if we had made the trade for kobe earlier in the year and that way we would carry that celebrity status that david stern and the nba crave. I told the palace president last year that we were going to lose to LEBRon in the RCF and they kicked me out of the palace and made me write apology letters. screw it if we lose again this year and i think it is based on the nba fixing it to get the more popluar team in the finals i will never watch another piston game again. I love that we are winning these days but part of me missed the loser days of the 90's. I miss t mill and the teal jerseys, and grant hill otis throrpe joe d. when we were losers it was fun to go to games, jon barry would just get the crowd pumped, I cant remember the last time i went to a game were i thought th e crowd was really into it, the prices are redicoulouysy high and I will not stand for it any longer, this is my last year dealing with these sons a bitches and there over priced supply and demand prices, i want some god damn answeres and i want them now.

laffo

I wish I were drunk enough to make sense of that.

One of the funniest posts I've seen on this board.

You miss the teal jerseys? WTF??

i want some god damn answeres and i want them now.

phenomenal

Seriously, the teal jerseys? WTF??

I myself loved the thunder bolts though.

RCF

I'm debating starting a new thread for that.

What a great way to start off the day!

Seriously, the teal jerseys? WTF??

I myself loved the thunder bolts though.


When I was in 8th grade, I bought a Mateen Cleaves teal jersey. I thought I was the baddest mofo at Trinity Lutheran Jr. High School.

Retard Conference Finals
Retro Conference Finals
Remodeling Conference Finals
Remedial Conference Finals

I'm going with the last one.

I miss Bison Dele.

Maybe gusman needs his own blog here.

I miss Bison Dele.

too soon

too soon

Hakuna Matata

lol

I suppose that with Bynum's injury that CWebb could slide right into that Laker starting lineup.

It'd be a decent pick up. Webber could probably provide them numbers similar to Bynum as far as points and rebounds go, but everything else (the defensive presence, the commanding double teams) would still be lacking.

But he'd be a better passer in that triangle offense.

But what happens when Bynum comes back in 2 months? Would they keep Webber and bring him off the bench? Would he take a role off the bench? Would they waive him?

I say they'd probably keep him on the bench. While his best days are far behind him, I'd rather have him than a Kwame Brown or a Chris Mihm.

I think Webber knows he's not winning a championship with the Lakers, so I don't think it'll be a problem. He'd be a great fit there, but it'll never happen. Who's there starting PF right now?

Odom.

I believe their lineup is/was Fisher-Kobe-Walton-Odom-Bynum.

Don't be so sure it won't happen.

I think it makes a ton of sense for both parties.

I'm sure it will happen.

Just don't think it'd make much of a difference.

:mccosky:
(2 days old)


Why Webber?

I won't lie, I don't understand why the Pistons are still holding the door open for Chris Webber. The lasting images of him from last year include Game 5 of the conference finals when he was screaming at the coaches to "Let me play my game!" The Pistons had spent the previous couple of months trying to figure out what, if any, game he had left. Then, there was the scene in the locker room after Game 6 when he went off on Flip Saunders, a rant that had no particular point and didn't sit well with the rest of the team.

Look, I like a lot of things about C-Webb. Shoot, I've been covering him since he was a sophomore at Country Day. He's an intelligent and engaging guy. But for anybody to think he's going to gladly accept being the fourth big man on this team -- playing essentially the Elden Campbell, Dale Davis role -- they are kidding themselves. He wasn't happy last year when he was starting because he didn't think he was featured enough. Now he's going to be content to play maybe 10 minutes a night? Don't think so.

It just seems like a lot of risk for such a limited reward. It's not like you roll the dice on him because you think he can take your team to another level. That was the thinking last year and it didn't work. Could the Pistons use some frontcourt help? Yeah, sure. What team couldn't? But Webber doesn't provide, at this stage of his career, the kind of help the Pistons need. He's not going to help their interior defense or rebounding all that much. So, what's the point?

Again, to reiterate, the only way the Pistons consider bringing Webber back is if they clear a roster spot. I assume that means unloading Flip Murray and-or Primoz Brezec. Joe Dumars has been trying for weeks to find a taker for Murray. So far, nothing.

On a personal note, sorry that the blogging has been sporadic lately. Got myself a little run down and just haven't had the energy (sort of like the Ps in New York, right?). I am going to try to be more consistent, at least post once a day on top of all the other stuff for the paper and web site. So, check back.

Then, there was the scene in the locker room after Game 6 when he went off on Flip Saunders, a rant that had no particular point and didn't sit well with the rest of the team.


?? what's this about? more details plz.

Was news to me, too.

Of course, McCosky doesn't have the balls to elaborate.

Possibly not true? I don't know how McCosky is with his facts, I've never caught him making stuff up before.

if webber is playing well, a lineup of

fischer
bryant
odom
webber
bynum

is pretty damn good. especially with the pieces they have on the bench.

dare i call the lakers legit this year?

NBA.com has the Lakers at #1 in their Power Rankings.

http://www.nba.com/powerrankings/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lastshot011808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Free-agent forward Chris Webber has narrowed his choices to the Los Angeles Lakers, Orlando Magic and Detroit Pistons, a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations said Thursday night.

Webber, 34, is considering Dallas, too, but Mavericks officials are privately telling people they don't believe they're in the running. On the basis of pure need, the Lakers, who just lost starting center Andrew Bynum for at least eight weeks, makes the most sense. Webber passed on Los Angles a year ago in his Clemens-esque midseason return, but going back to his hometown Pistons is a difficult proposition.

The Pistons would need to make a roster move to clear room for Webber, and GM Joe Dumars still needs to convince himself that bringing the veteran back is worth costing some of his young forwards precious minutes.

LOL @ this Webber and the Pistons thing never ending.

Let him go to LA. They'll fall to the 8 seed by the time Bynum comes back, unfortunately.

What will happen first:

1. C-Webb is a Piston again
2. Les Miles coaches at Michigan

3. Pistons lose in game 6 of the ECF again.
lol here comes the homers...it was a joke, dicklicks

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lastshot011808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I recommend reading this whole article, it's very catty/snarky.

I say 4...Michigan State beats Michigan.

in basketball

He'd better go to the Lakers. I don't want him here or anywhere in the east, just to be safe.

I choose Mailman's #3. Its much more likely than 1 and 2, although we all know 4 is the best choice.

RCF

:stein:


Back in October, you'll recall that Chris Webber told ESPN.com that he could only see himself playing in Detroit this season "unless something crazy happens."

Even though something crazy did happen, with the Lakers far exceeding expectations, Webber's stance doesn't appear to have changed.

In the offseason, when the Lakers approached Webber, he wouldn't consider L.A. as a destination -- not even after years of being linked with the Lakers -- because he gave them no chance to compete for a championship. And now, although Andrew Bynum's knee injury has seemingly created an attractive playing-time opportunity with a team on the rise, word is that Webber has reservations about joining the Lakers in their weakened state.

The Pistons still have an interest in bringing Webber back as a fourth big man -- behind Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess and Jason Maxiell -- but Detroit would still need to clear a roster spot for him and convince itself that the former Michigan man would accept that role.

Boston, frankly, could still use some frontcourt depth as well, but landing a veteran point guard (a la Sam Cassell, Gary Payton or Damon Stoudamire) would appear to be the Celtics' bigger priority.

Part of me dearly wants to see the Fab Five never win an NBA championship, which tends to skew my perspective on Webber.

If anyone doubted that the Pistons are actually interested...

:mccosky:

Webber update
Nothing has changed on the Chris Webber front, relative to him returning to the Pistons.

"I have had an exchange (verbal) with Chris within the last 24 hours and I've been in constant communication with his agent (Aaron Goodwin)," Pistons president Joe Dumars said. "But the one thing that hasn't changed is that we still have a 15-man roster, and that poses a problem as far as bringing him here."

Dumars said it was not his intention to buy out the contracts of either Flip Murray or Primoz Brezec. So, unless a trade can be made, Webber is going to remain on the outside.

Webber has apparently not responded to overtures made by the Lakers. He has included Orlando as a possible destination, as well.

Earlier this season, Webber turned down a deal from a team in Greece that would have paid him between $6 million and $7 million.

Webber is a tool.

So, they want Webber back (despite this recent revelation about his lockerroom tirade about Flip Saunders) but they don't want him back bad enough to buy out Flip Murray.

Interesting.

I wonder if the reason why Webber hasn't signed with another team is that he is waiting for Flip Saunders to get canned?

What lockerroom tirade about Flip?

Someone needs to share these things with me..

Post #73 in this thread

Well that explains a lot.

I do think they didn't get him the ball enough.

He was pretty effective in the post, when he went to the hook shot.

He was at least neutralizing his "defense" with good offensive play.

i can't imagine Webber being content as the 4th bigman on this team.

LET HIM PLAY HIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/16/80/22198016.jpg

If C-Webb will really be content being that fourth man, and only getting big minutes if the matchups warrant it (like guarding the nearly immobile Big Z against Cleveland, for example), sign him. Otherwise, I have my doubts.

Somebody is going to take Flip Murray before the deadline. I'm pretty positive about that. Someone may also want Primo, but do we trade someone who is so gansta?

I suppose that another possible scenario is that Joe is stringing Webber along because he intends to trade Sheed, Dice or Amir.

I don't think it would be because of an Amir trade. Amir rarely plays as it is. The other two I could understand though.

Maybe we package Amir, Flip, and Primo, a la Dumbrowski, and get some proven commodity in return. That would open up room for Webber. Bad analogy, I know, and not likely, but it could happen.

http://www.detnews.com/graphics/columnistmugs/RobParker.jpg


Webber can help Pistons

It appears Chris Webber will be rejoining the Pistons sooner than later.

Webber, a free-agent center, is looking to re-start his basketball career after taking the first half of the season off.

Apparently, Webber has talked with a few teams, including the Miami Heat. But there's just one place for the former Country Day and Michigan star. It's right here in Detroit, Webber's home.

If the Pistons can get a deal done -- and that would take clearing a roster spot -- Webber will be a welcome addition to the team, just as he was around this time a year ago.

Granted, things didn't work out fully because the Pistons failed to advance to the NBA Finals, losing instead to the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference finals.

But in no way was it solely Webber's fault. Things just came apart at the end and the Pistons didn't get the guard play they needed. That shouldn't make anyone worry for a minute that Webber can't help this team.

Setting is right
Just like last season, the scenario is perfect for Webber and the Pistons. They aren't looking for Webber to be a savior -- which is great because he isn't one any longer. Still, Webber has something to offer, especially off the bench.

Webber, who will be 35 in March, is a perfect post player to run your offense through. He's an excellent passer. Normally, when he delivers the ball, Webber provides an easier look at the basket for a teammate.

You can see Webber playing 12-15 minutes a night. Best of all, coach Flip Saunders can see quickly if he's able to help or not. Last season as a starter, Webber was either very good or very bad.

If it's one of those bad nights, you go to someone else. If Webber is playing well, then you get all those minutes out of him.

Go back to last season. The Pistons had one of their best stretches once Webber became a starter, going 16-4. They also started the playoffs on fire, winning their first seven games and 10 of their first 12.

This time around, Webber will come in rested and not be coming off an injury that limited him to just 18 games with the 76ers last season.

In 43 games for Detroit, Webber averaged 11.3 points, 6.7 rebounds and three assists.

And some nights, there even were flashes of brilliance.

One more goal
Webber, selected after his sophomore season by the Orlando Magic with the first overall pick and then traded to the Golden State Warriors, has done just about everything you can do in the league except win a championship.

He was rookie of the year in 1994 and has made it to the All-Star Game five times, been to the postseason a bunch of times and made a ton of cash.

Last year, Webber was two victories away from making The Finals.

Here, he would have one more shot to finally win it all.

WELL, IF ONLY THE COACHES WOULD LET HIM PLAY HIS GAME!!!

THE LEPRECHAUN LASHES OUT!!



Three years later, O'Brien criticizes Webber
Former Sixers coach, now with Pacers, says forward had plenty of shortcomings

By MARTIN FRANK, The News Journal
Posted Tuesday, January 22, 2008

PHILADELPHIA -- Chris Webber made his dislike for former 76ers coach Jim O'Brien and his system known often during the brief time the two were together.

O'Brien, who now coaches the Indiana Pacers, lasted just the 2004-05 season as coach of the Sixers. Webber was acquired in a trade that February.

On Monday, O'Brien fired back for the first time.

"In one of the first conversations I had with Chris Webber, I said, 'This is one of the ways we're going to use you offensively [down low with Kyle Korver on the outside],' " O'Brien said. "And he said, 'Coach, I don't do the low-post thing anymore.'

"We just made a major trade to bring in this 6-[foot]-11 guy and he said, 'No,' and I said, 'Yes, you do.' "

The trade -- in which Webber, Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley came from Sacramento in exchange for Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner -- helped catapult the Sixers into the playoffs as they finished with an 8-2 record.

The Sixers haven't made the playoffs since.

Webber was coming off microfracture knee surgery the summer before, and he clearly wasn't the same player.

"We wanted to [trap] the side pick and roll, and he very apparently just could not do that," O'Brien said. "I just think it would have been a very difficult group to coach the following year, frankly. I'm glad Maurice Cheeks had that opportunity instead of me."

O'Brien then was asked if he regretted that former Sixers president and general manager Billy King made the trade.

"We needed a trade," O'Brien said. "We were very small. We were playing with two power forwards who were 6-6 in Kenny Thomas and 6-4 in Corliss Williamson. That was not a workable situation. What we didn't know, or what I didn't know at the time, was that the previous two years, Sacramento's record with Webber in and Webber out [of the lineup] was shockingly different."

The Kings were 38-31 when Webber played during that span. They were 51-16 when he didn't.

O'Brien said he soon found out why.

"Webber didn't practice at all that year prior to coming to us," he said. "I think he was just at the point where he didn't necessarily feel he was in need of practice, or could practice. It became apparent that he was not going to give the Philadelphia 76ers everything that we had hoped for."

Cheeks took over the next season, and Webber averaged 20.2 points and 9.9 rebounds per game. But the Sixers went 38-44 and missed the playoffs. Webber's production went way down last season, and he was waived with the Sixers still owing him $19 million for this season.

Webber is not playing now, although he said he hopes to catch on with an NBA team.

O'Brien was asked if he ever wanted to say, "I told you so" to the Sixers after he was fired.

"I found out a long time ago that bitterness is for losers," said O'Brien, who made $8 million the past two seasons before being hired by the Pacers. "I got on with life very quickly, and enjoyed the best two years of my life. I was hoping I'd get another opportunity, and I did."

If that doesn't get CWebb signing with someone, nothing will.

I don't want him on MY Lakers.

I'm thinking he'll be in a Pistons uni again before the deadline, or maybe the day after. Not sure if I feel good about that, but it's gonna happen, folks. No more denial.

:mccosky:


Dumars told Webber again on Monday that he wasn't going to buy out anybody's contract to make room for him. He also told Webber that if he could pull off a trade to clear a spot, he still wouldn't sign him back until he and Webber could sit down and have a face-to-face meeting. Dumars wants Webber to be completely clear about what his role would be. He would not be starting. He would not take Jason Maxiell's role in the rotation. He would be, essentially, the fourth big man. He would be Dale Davis. He will play 10 minutes a night, maybe. Some nights, against teams like Phoenix and Golden State, he would probably not play at all. Dumars wants to be sure Webber understands that and would be willing to accept that.

Now, given all that, does it sound to you like Webber's return is imminent? Not at all. Could it happen? Yes. But does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? It's not like bringing Webber back is going to take the Pistons to another level.

"In one of the first conversations I had with Chris Webber, I said, 'This is one of the ways we're going to use you offensively [down low with Kyle Korver on the outside],' " O'Brien said. "And he said, 'Coach, I don't do the low-post thing anymore.'

That tells me everything i need to know about Webber. F him, we dont need him. The only big man I want is someone who can rebound and score off of something besides jumpers. easy baskets make your percentage go up.

"Webber didn't practice at all that year prior to coming to us,"


"Practice?! We talkin' 'bout practice!?!"

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nba/_photos2/2002-05-07-iverson2.jpg

Practice? THAT'S NOT HIS GAME!!!

C-Webb has "happy" set for his mood on his myspace page. Oh no.

DON'T COUNT ON IT: Chris Webber may want to return, but that doesn't mean it will happen

January 23, 2008
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

Look, I get it. We all get it. Chris Webber wants to be a Piston. He loves his hometown. He wants to win a championship here. He has wanted to do this since he first learned to dunk at the age of 3.

That's nice. Really. Good for Chris.

Unfortunately, this is what's not good for Chris: All of these Webber-back-to-the-Pistons stories come from Webber's side.

He wants them.

But do they want him?

I doubt it.

On the surface, adding Webber seems like a no-brainer. All the Pistons need to do is clear a roster spot, and then they can sign him. He is better than their worst player; therefore, the thinking goes, he would upgrade the team.

But ask yourself this: If it's such an obvious move, why haven't the Pistons done it already? Webber has been a free agent since July, and the Pistons have made no move to acquire him.

This is not just about a roster spot. It's about playing time. Webber played almost 30 minutes per game last year. This season, those 30 minutes have been redistributed to Antonio McDyess (up from 21 minutes to 31), Jason Maxiell (up from 14 to 23) and a few bench players.

If the Pistons were to bring in Webber, he would get a limited role: 10 to 12 minutes a night, at the most. Some nights, depending on the matchup, he might not play at all.

Would Webber be OK with that? Probably not. Going from superstar to benchwarmer is tough, especially in your hometown. And for all his talk about just wanting to win a championship, Webber still sees himself as a starter in the NBA.

In the playoffs last year, Webber grew increasingly frustrated when he didn't get the ball. How would he feel if he didn't get to play?

Why do the Pistons need to deal with that potential headache? For what? Ten minutes a night? It isn't worth it.

Webber is clearly trying to goad the Pistons into signing him. Every week or so, it seems, somebody writes a story about Webber being close to returning to the Pistons. That's his version of what's happening.

It is a fantasy version.

The Pistons don't say much about Webber, and they certainly have nothing against him. But again: The man has been available since July. The Pistons have not tried to get him. His return is not impossible, but, if anything, the Pistons are less likely to bring him in now than they were in, say, September.

McDyess has shown he can handle a starting role. Maxiell continues to improve. The Pistons' title hopes are brighter now, without Webber, than they were before the season.

This is not like last January, when the Pistons were reeling from the failed Nazr Mohammed signing and bringing in Webber fell into their laps. Back then, I supported bringing in Webber.

And for a while it worked. Webber's passing helped revitalize the offense. But he had a shelf life of about three months. Then his defensive deficiencies and diminished athleticism caught up with him.

At times last season, I thought Webber was going to get the dream ending he always wanted: a championship and love in his hometown.

Webber still seems to think it will happen. A week and a half ago, Webber went on a Sacramento radio station and declared he would be back in the NBA in two weeks. He said he was talking to three teams.

Webber didn't name the teams, but there is no doubt that the Pistons are No. 1 on his list. If Webber really wants to play in the NBA again, I advise him to look at No. 2 and No. 3.

Contact MICHAEL ROSENBERG at 313-222-6052 or mrosenberg@freepress.com.

I get the impression that when Joe Dumars says
"We don't have a roster spot open for him." it's just his other way of saying
"Chris we're not going to cut one of our two Euros just so we can bring your lazy fucking antique ass back here to win a title. So shut the fuck up, and go bust a load in Tyra's face for me."

Warriors and Webber getting closer and closer to reality

By Tim Kawakami
Friday, January 25th, 2008 at 10:55 pm in NBA, Warriors.


Why not cap off another insane Friday–this was supposed to be a SLOW DAY–with the CCT twins reporting tonight that the Warriors are seriously interested in Chris Webber and that this might get done?

Really, it might actually get done–that’s the strong implication for Sirs Thompson II and Lepper.

Hey, if it’s crazy and probably is just about the stupidest thing the Warriors could do, why the hell not?

I’ve also heard separately about Webber’s increasing chances with the Warriors over the past two days, but I spent today trying to shake it out of my head because IT’S INSANITY.

Plus, today was a day for Al Davis and Lane Kiffin, for a few other weird things that I was working on for the near future…

And now Webber. The Warriors. Possibly coming together to an asylum near you.

I’m tired. I’ve done way too much typing already today. I was working a lot today because I was trying to do some advance planing and get ahead on my work schedule.

Oops. Warriors + Webber = INSANITY.

Here’s just a quick look at the massive questions a sane person might have if the Warriors finalize a Webber deal:


* Webber has proven he can’t run any more and doesn’t want to play on the low post…

So what exactly is he going to do for the Warriors that Al Harrington and Andris Biedrins aren’t already doing–and doing better than Webber has done in oh, about three years?

Webber can pass, sure. Possibly rebound for the four minutes a game Webber has energy.

Beyond that: He’s a shell of a fake of a famous power forward.

* The Warriors play warp-speed fast. Two trips up the floor, great for Webber. After Trip No. 3… he turns into Troy Murphy, without the long-range jumper. Just terrific!

C-Webb as the Warriors new three-point shooter? Of course.

* Whose minutes is Webber going to get? He’s not strictly a power forward because the Nellie PF needs to run–so Harrington still has to get major minutes there.

No, I think Webber, if he signs, will mostly take minutes away from Biedrins. So he’ll have to guard Big Centers–yeah, Chris will just love that. Thrive vs. Amare Stoudamire! Yes! Born to do that!

* What happens the first time Webber rolls his eyes and glances over to Baron when Nellie is screaming during a timeout? Only great things, of course. Webber and Nellie would never blow up a team, right?

* Is Don going crazy? I think this is his move. He’s antsy for a move, either because he sincerely believes his team needs somebody like Webber or because Don needs an excuse for possible failure or a cause to show his utmost cleverness.

Nellie bashed Murphy and Dunleavy last year and did it purposely to make sure he forced Mullin to trade two of his favorites–but that was totally wise on Nelson’s part. It was smart. It changed the team forever.

But there are no Murphys and Dunleavys on this team, unless you count Mickael Pietrus and no, not really.

* Why is Chris Mullin letting this happen? I don’t know. I just don’t know. Possible that Mullin stops this right at the precipice. We’ll see.

Maybe he thinks Webber might have some gas left in the tank, maybe he wants to appease Nelson, maybe he wants to see if Nelson is willing to blow himself up.

Nelson won’t play Brandan Wright. Gets angry with Harrington all the time, which means he goes ultra-small to finish every other game, even when ultra-small isn’t the wisest course.

So he wants another chance with his Prodigal Power Forward of years ago? MaybeMullin’s just saying: Fine.

Crazy. It might work for two glorious games. ESPN will go nuts. CNN will cut from election coverage to greet Webber’s first 10-rebound game.

Then it will collapse. It will implode. This is lunacy. This is how you wreck things.

Remember, Joe Dumars had Webber for a decent run with Detroit last season–the situation could not have been better for Webber. Perfect situation. Slow-down team. Great veterans who could play defense when Webber did not.

And by the end, Dumars did not necessarily want Webber around any longer and Webber was sending out signals that he felt ignored in the Pistons offense.

That will go great with Stephen Jackson and Monta Ellis and Baron. Just great.

This is insanity. Have I made my opinion clear enough? Just insanity. Maybe it won’t happen.

But because it’s sports insanity and this is the Bay Area, it almost surely will.

http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/01/25/more-insanity-warriors-and-webber-getting-closer-and-closer-to-reality/

LOL, that makes a lot of sense...

Webber in a up-tempo, run and shoot offense would be hilarious...

C-Webb should ask Austin Croshere what it's like to be a GS Warrior...

I can picture it now.

Webber jogging down the court, Nelson yells at him to run.

"LET ME PLAY MY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I didn't expect Grant Hill to work with Phoenix-style play, so it's -possible-.

Chris is Golden State bound, per Marc Stein:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3217920

Apparently during the off-season, C-Webb was able to work on his "turning back the clock 15 years" so this deal actually makes sense.

Expect to see the Fab-5 Webber.

Updated this morning.

:stein:


Warriors' Nelson would welcome Webber back 14 years after feud

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

Updated: January 28, 2008, 7:37 AM ET

Chris Webber's unlikely but fast-moving return to the Golden State Warriors is on course to be completed by Tuesday, according to sources close to the negotiations.

Barring an unexpected change of heart, sources said, Webber will accept the invitation from former coach Don Nelson and former teammate Chris Mullin to come back to the team with whom he won NBA Rookie of the Year honors in 1994, only for Webber to force a trade to Washington some six months later when his prickly relationship with Nelson collapsed.

"I hope that it happens to be quite honest with you," Nelson told Bay Area reporters Sunday before the Warriors hosted the New York Knicks. "I think our team needs it."

Nelson made his own surprising and triumphant return to Oakland last season, guiding the Warriors to their first playoff berth since they went 50-32 in Webber's rookie season in 1993-94. Sources say Nelson and Mullin, now the Warriors' vice president of basketball operations, are confident that the 67-year-old coach and Webber are ready for this seemingly hard-to-fathom reunion after multiple conversations in recent days.

For his part, Nelson has maintained that he and Webber reconciled years ago, when he chose Webber to replace the injured Shaquille O'Neal -- over Dirk Nowitzki from Nelson's Dallas Mavericks -- as the West's starting center for the 2002 All-Star Game in Philadelphia.

Webber could not be immediately reached for comment Sunday, but sources insist that he would be Golden State-bound now even if the Detroit Pistons made an 11th-hour bid to re-sign him. The Warriors have offered to sign him for the rest of the season for a pro-rated share of the league's $1.2 million veteran minimum.

After a second-half stint with his hometown Pistons last season that ended in defeat in the Eastern Conference finals, Webber told ESPN.com in October that he would only play "as a Piston" this season . . . "unless something crazy happens." But he has relaxed that stance in recent weeks.

Webber last week rejected the opportunity to sign with the Los Angeles Lakers after they lost Andrew Bynum to a knee injury in part, sources said, because L.A. wanted Webber to play out two 10-day contracts before it made a decision on keeping him. Conversations with the Warriors developed from Golden State's discussions with fellow veteran Gary Payton, as Payton and Webber are both represented by agent Aaron Goodwin.

Although the Pistons have retained an interest in bringing Webber back all season, they would still need to clear a roster spot to make room for the 34-year-old and have either been unable or unwilling to do so. Pistons president Joe Dumars indicated last week that the club was unlikely to buy out the contract of either Primoz Brezec or Flip Murray just to add Webber.

On the surface, Webber appears to be a questionable fit for the up-and-down Warriors, given the mobility issues that have plagued him since a major knee injury in the 2003 playoffs and subsequent microfracture knee surgery. Golden State, however, lacks veteran know-how and frontcourt depth. The Warriors believe Webber's passing and mid-range shooting can address some of their half-court struggles and give them a new offensive outlet when the game slows down or their 3-pointers aren't falling.

"I would love to have Chris Webber," Stephen Jackson told reporters, according to The Associated Press. "I'm not sure if it will happen or not but if he comes here we'll definitely welcome him with open arms. He's a great player and I'd love to have him. We'll see what happens."

At the very least, Webber's arrival would double the number of true big men Nelson is willing to play. Andris Biedrins is the only current Golden State power player entrusted with meaningful minutes; Al Harrington and Matt Barnes are natural small forwards who operate as power forwards for the smallish Warriors.

Nelson asserted over the weekend that he has little doubt that there's a place for Webber's voice in a locker room that already houses the outspoken duo of Baron Davis and Jackson.

"Our leadership is so strong here I wouldn't worry about that," Nelson said. "I'd say, if anything, we'd be stronger. More veteran leadership is a good thing. I've got enough rookies."

It remains to be seen how Webber will respond if Nelson plays him limited minutes or even sits him some nights, but Golden State figures it's a low-risk, inexpensive gamble that will pay off if Webber can match the production he managed last season in Philadelphia and Detroit, averaging 11.2 points, 7.2 rebounds and 3.1 assists.

Those numbers dropped to 9.9 points and 6.3 rebounds in 25.3 minutes per game in the playoffs, but Nelson is undaunted.

"I'm afraid if we don't get him here [that] our team is not strong enough to be a playoff team," Nelson said. "That's my biggest fear. I think if he comes it can benefit our team, it can benefit his and my relationship, it can benefit players on this team. I think he has a chance to make some of our players better and make our team better. Really that's all that's important. I'll get along with anybody who can help our team."

Nelson orchestrated a draft-day trade in Orlando in 1993 to land Webber, who at the time was only the second college sophomore in history to go No. 1 overall. But they barely lasted one season together, with Webber dealt to Washington for Tom Gugliotta and three first-round picks and Nelson losing his dual role of coach-GM shortly thereafter.

"I've learned over the years," Nelson said Sunday night. "I've softened a bit through some of the experiences I've had. I look back at the time when Chris and I were here early in our careers. We were both pretty stubborn and I was maybe too tough and he was too young to see the positives I was trying to bring to the table. I've learned and I think he has, too. Hey, I'm an old man and he's an old player."

Apparently during the off-season, C-Webb was able to work on his "turning back the clock 15 years" so this deal actually makes sense.

Expect to see the Fab-5 Webber.

Right. Insanity abounds.

This is going to be fucking hilarious.

I want to see him chuck some 3's!

Say what you want about Biedrins, but he providesthe little defense GS has.

Say what you want about Biedrins, but he providesthe little defense GS has.

And rebounding. He's on my fantasy team and although he only puts in 10 points a game, he rebounds, blocks shots and has a high FG%. Hopefully Webber doesn't take his minutes.

Yeah, he had 26 boards in the game last night.

Would be a nice player to have.

:mccosky:


Warrior Webber
Looks like C-Webb will be a Golden State Warrior again, maybe by tomorrow. He was rookie of the year for the Warriors 14 years ago, then left abruptly after feuding with coach Don Nelson who is back for his second tour of duty. The two patched up their differences, apparently.

I know it seems like a bad fit, but Nelson is thinking in terms of playoff match-ups. Sooner or later, he figures he has to play San Antonio or Houston or even the Lakers and will need some kind of post presence. Right now, he's got none on the offensive end. As he said, the addition of Webber can't make his team any worse in that area.

The Pistons, by the way, aren't heartbroken by this development. As I reported all along, they kept the door open for him but the odds of him coming back here were long against. When Joe Dumars told Webber that he wasn't going to buy out any contracts to make room for him, that was the tipoff that they weren't overly anxious to bring him back. They did not and will not make any last-ditch effort to get him.

The dude has SUCH an inferiority complex.

I'm crushed by this news. We really needed him to win it all. Now we will be lucky to even make the playoffs. Damn you Chris Webber!!! Damn you to hell!!!!!

Oh wait, the corpse of Minute Bol is available?? Nevermind. That will work just as well!

Anybody else think that if C-Webb signs with GS this week, it's possible he could be a free agent again by the end of March???

I can't see him running w/ that offense...he will be running on E if he gets more than 12 minutes per game...

and it's not exactly as if the Warriors are a "Title Contender" either, questionable pick up by Mullin/Nelson

Pretty low risk for the vet's minimum, especially if they were going to go to the scrap heap anyways to sign someone else.

Word is that Troy Hudson (who is injured for the season) will be released to make room for CWebb.

Webber will be the old guy in pickup leagues that stands at the other end of the court while his team fast breaks "in case of a turnover"

I can picture it now.

Webber jogging down the court, Nelson yells at him to run.

"LET ME PLAY MY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


I lol'ed.

Webber will help their halfcourt offense, which really doesn't exist, but he doesn't help their defense. He will battle with Shaq with "least trips over halfcourt."

Chris Webber Q & A With Matt Steinmetz

After officially signing with the Warriors, Chris Webber caught up with FSN Bay Area's Matt Steinmetz for a brief Q & A on Tuesday morning, just before Webber departed on his way to the Bay Area.

Steinmetz: How did all this come about?

Webber: At the beginning of the season I knew I was going to take a break to be with my family. I wanted to wait until later to think about where I wanted to go. Early on in the season I got a call from the Warriors, but I didn’t take it too serious. A month or so ago, they pursued me and let me know how much they wanted me, that it would be a good marriage and a good fit. Nellie and Mully won me over with their persistence.

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Steinmetz: Don Nelson answered “Yes,” when asked if he thought he could coach you again. I assume you would say “Yes,” when asked if you could play for him again. Why?


Webber: Because it has never been a question of him being a good coach or not. His skills as a coach are obvious. To me, personally, we’re both older, more mature. It won’t be a problem. He’s a guy who has been very innovative in terms of how he coaches. We were the league leaders in scoring my rookie year and they’re doing the same things now. Nellie is a good coach.

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Steinmetz: Seemed like you had more than one option, why the Warriors?

Webber: I thought it would be a great fit. I BELIEVE in the team. I love the fans and the area and am familiar with the situation. Nellie and Mully also made it clear to me that they still believe in me and my abilities.

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Steinmetz: What can you bring to the table?

Webber: Definitely, I think I can help make everybody better. I’ve always prided myself on that. That’s who I am. I’m a veteran that can help with leadership, distributing the ball, scoring, rebounding. Whatever is needed to help this team continue to succeed, and all of which are things that I have done throughout my entire career.

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Steinmetz: The court of public opinion is offering plenty of pros and cons to this move, one of the cons involving chemistry and how you might affect it? How would you address that?

Webber: I think that my career speaks for itself and shows the type of player I am. I have never had a teammate who didn’t enjoy playing with me. There are always going to be skeptics, but chemistry will definitely not be an issue.

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Steinmetz: Another concern would be whether or not you can keep up with the Warriors’ running style. Can you?

Webber: Now, that’s a fair criticism. I’m older, I’ve had problems with my knee. I’ll have to prove that with time. You can always be in shape, though. After a couple of games, we’ll be able to tell.

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Steinmetz: How can you help the Warriors in the halfcourt?

Webber: I can help by calming the pace down, working in the post, being a facilitator to get guys easy shots and not have to work extra hard for everything.

Webber will help their halfcourt offense, which really doesn't exist


"Halfcourt Offense" isn't in the Don Nelson coaching Bible. And neither are the words "Transition Defense" or "NBA Title"

I've been watching too much ER on DVD. I saw GSW and immediately thought of gun shot wound. "We've got a GSW to the head about four minutes out."

"Halfcourt Offense" isn't in the Don Nelson coaching Bible. And neither are the words "Transition Defense" or "NBA Title"
Ouch hahaha.

True though.

O'Brien told reporters two weeks ago that Webber refused to play the role the Sixers were trying to fill when they traded for him in February of 2005, saying that Webber told him, "Coach, I don't do the low-post thing anymore." O'Brien, who was fired after that season, also said Webber essentially wasn't interested in practicing or running the coach's system, adding, "It became very apparent he wasn't going to give the 76ers everything we had hoped for."

On Friday, Webber, who had undergone microfracture surgery on his left knee after injuring it in the 2003 playoffs with Sacramento, considered those words as he sat in an empty room just off the Warriors' locker area. Finally, he shook his head.

"You know, he hasn't been in the league as long as I have, and a lot of players called, and we talked about what the truth was," Webber said. "That language is not even mine. I don't even speak like, 'That's not my thing.' Nobody says that.

"That next year [after O'Brien was fired], Allen Iverson and I were the No. 1 scoring duo in the league -- and that was coming off of surgery. So when he talks about practice, maybe it was because my knee was the size of a ball, you know what I mean? He can say whatever he wants. People can think whatever they want. But that is a 100 percent lie."

How much will C-Webb miss Arnie Kander???

I don't even speak like, 'That's not my thing.' Nobody says that.

That part made me lol.

"That next year [after O'Brien was fired], Allen Iverson and I were the No. 1 scoring duo in the league -- and that was coming off of surgery. So when he talks about practice, maybe it was because my knee was the size of a ball, you know what I mean? He can say whatever he wants. People can think whatever they want. But that is a 100 percent lie."
because CWebb had lots of credibility and would never lie....

looking at how Amir has been producing with Flip giving him PT...i'm damn glad CWebb isn't here.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080202/SPORTS03/302020002/&imw=Y


It was the same thing I told him and told everybody else. Listen, we’re not going to sit here and just eat $2-3 million and sign Chris back at a minimum contract. And I told that to Chris and I told that to (agent) Aaron Goodwin. I said that to the media. I consistently said that. If we could find a home for one of these guys towards the end of the bench and create a roster spot, then we would have a spot. And even then, we’re talking about the fourth or the fifth big man. So that was going to be an issue Chris would have to come to grips with as well. He said he would. I talked to Chris last Saturday morning, he called me and we had a long talk. He said that he was kind of tired of waiting and was ready to get back. He knew we didn’t have a spot open and he said that he was probably going to look at one or two other teams and maybe go in that direction. I told him I understood, I couldn’t ask him to wait until something happened here, and if he did decide to do that, I would understand. The next day he called me and said, ‘Listen, I’m going to go ahead and do Golden State.’ I said, ‘Look, I totally understand and I can’t ask you to wait until I get something done, especially when you’re ready to sign.

i win.

because CWebb had lots of credibility and would never lie....


[smilie=rofl2.gif]

Get the fuck out of here........:





Golden State Warriors' Coach Don Nelson is sold enough on Chris Webber's playmaking and productivity in minicamp that he has declared the newcomer a permanent member of his tip-off crew. "Absolutely, I think he should start," Nelson said after practice Monday. "I'm planning on starting him every game."
Webber, 34, has come off the bench only three times in more than 900 career games, and Nelson sees no reason to add a fourth when Webber debuts against the Chicago Bulls on Thursday.

Biedrins: Welcome to Detroit!

Biedrins: Welcome to Detroit!

Sounds good to me.

It'll be just like having Ben back. Great rebounding (defense won't be as great, but he's still good and it will be better than it is now) and shitty FT shooting.

I don't feel like doing the Trade Machine, so let me have my moment here.

Except that he's 7 feet tall and younger. He can't shoot that bad, can he?

63% on the season from the field.

hey, 61% on FTs too!

He's good, his main problems are foul trouble (could improve as he gets a rep) and he's not a greatman defender (plays better when he's free to roam, can get abused by a good post scorer).

lol @ putting him on the bench for Webber though. That is going to be classic.

can I see his first game as a Warrior on TNT or something? Please?

Anyone remember his first game as a Piston? When he came in and they played that fucking Bon Jovi song? lmao

would you trade Dyess for Biedrins (and filler)?

That's a tough one, because I think I'm one of the few here who likes Dice.

I think people like Dyess, but he's not one of the young guys so that's the first guy they look at shipping out when talking about trading big men. Its unfortunate but true.

How much better is Beidrins than Amir? Yes, I know Amir is raw, but he shoots a decent percentage and he's a better defender when he's allowed to roam, and he's got foul trouble. I haven't seen much of Beidrins, but that's basically what was just described in the last 4-5 posts, so I don't really know what to think of him. Anyone got any more details on the guy?

From HoopsHype


A high-energy player... Very good athlete... Good shot blocker... Good rebounder... Runs the floor well... Not much offensive game... Terrible from the charity stripe.

I'm not sure if that's a good enough (Hubie Brown like) analysis for you, but that's his game.

would you trade Dyess for Biedrins (and filler)?

Without even thinking twice. The guy is 21 and he's a rebounding/energy machine with legit size. Exactly what we need.

I like Dice too BTW, but this is a no-brainer. I'd throw in a 1st rounder as well.

He just sounds like a more seasoned AJ to me. I'd rather keep Dyess and just give AJ more burn, unless I actually see this guy play and he's got some skills.

Why would GSW want Dice?

How is it a no-brainer? We have a 20 year old high energy guy that blocks shots and grabs a ton of rebounds sitting on our bench. What's his contract look like? That may be a deciding factor.

Why would GSW want Dice?

Yeah, that's why it won't happen unfortunately.

Webber AND Dice?

BTW as I said earlier: Biedrins is "shooting" 63% from the field (10 PPG).

his offensive game consists mostly of put backs/tip ins though I think.

Why would GSW want Dice?
Don't know. Perhaps they are sick of playing Harrington at PF and going small all the time (they have zero decent true PF's on that team). Webber is too slow to play PF at this stage and Biedrins is a center as well. Biedrins is also not a great scorer, so perhaps they'd rather have a 6th man like Dice to score off the bench. Who knows?

They knew that Phoenix was going to slow down by nabbing Shaq and did a pre-emptive strike by getting Chris "Shaq Stopper" Webber.

Riiiiggghhhttt...

Webber's return/debut on TNT after Cavs-Rockets!!

Something like 4pts in 13 mins.

All I saw was him make a jumper (if you can call it that), so I think he actually only scored 2.

Working out great. 3 PPG, 3 RPG.

It's becoming more and more apparent that the Chris Webber experiment is over, whether because of ineffectiveness or injury. The official line from Nelson on a Webber return? "It'd be pretty hard at this point," the coach said.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/25/SPOEVPLDM.DTL

"It'd be pretty hard at this point"

That's what she said.

Webber runs around on a high-speed team and his knee hurts.
In other news, today is Tuesday...