I have no idea how to start this thread of if its worth of the bytes it takes up, but...

I was surprised to hear that France is now selling some of its power to Britain. France might be the leader in nuclear power. China is up there too. When the oil crunch happened in the 70s, they started their nuclear power endeavor and it worked out fine for them.

The good ol US did not pursue it, imo, cuz it listened to the protests. 3 mile island happened in the 70s and it was a big no no for a while.

So now we need to get that going again. I read where the application fee is 25 million in the US. Nice. Also that the Nuclear regulatory dept or something staff has increased. Well there hasn't been an application for a new Plant since the early 70s. So I'm sure the peeps that do the applications have made a nice living over the last 30 years. Hope they weren't too busy.

Thats enough for now.

Because all of our plants are either torn down or out of date, nuclear energy isn't really going to be that cheap for a while. It takes a lot of money to put up those plants. The good news is that there is demand for it, but you know how the energy companies work - they only provide just slightly less than what's needed, so they can artificially inflate the demand.

We need to get started on it nonetheless. I didn't want this to turn in the Iraq thread, but if what peeps say that we are there for the oil, NEnergy could help us out, right?

Apparently the Gov't has agreed to back the loans to build plants. But the Gov't should friggin streamline itself so it can be done immediately. If we can send our kids to war, then we can wave the fucking 25million dollar application fee for chrissakes.

Wouldn't/shouldn't this be considered in the National Interest of our country or whatever that saying is?

Few states want the plants and even fewer want the toxic waste. Chernobyl didn't help matters much.

I had family members stuck in Hershey, PA owing to Three Mile Island, and I ate the radioactive chocolate to prove it. :)

I don't know much about how electricity is produced but the thing I read said there are bad things with every source of energy.

Coal? Air pollution, etc.

We can't stop cuz of 3mi Island. We didn't stop exploring space when the first astronaut died.

See? That's what I'm talking about. America. We don't puss out and produce weeks worth of television mourning tributes just because a few (very brave) people sacrifice their lives for progress. We keep rolling. That's what makes America great. We get up in the morning and go to work.

The libbies are so funny, they hate that we are dependent on oil, but they snuffed out the nuclear power thing years ago. Yes, you're right, there hasn't been a new application for a nuke plant since 3 mile island, and really, that incident was no big deal. There was a containment issue, released a few fission products into the air, but it wasn't a public health issue until the libbies made it seem like one.

The anti-nuke stuff started well before Three Mile Island. Three Mile Island just validated their concerns, and came on the heels of The China Syndrome movie. It was the nuclear power industry's perfect storm.

Cleanup of the power plant itself afterwards was a public health issue. It could've easily been wider-scale, though. There were a ton of wrong turns that could've easily been taken. The fear that "we don't really know what we're doing" was justified.

Few are totally opposed to nuclear power, as long as it's in someone else's back yard. That's the biggest issue.

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I'm gonna go ahead and disagree that few are opposed...

Maybe now...and thats what I'm saying originally. The lefties were out in force protesting this stuff. Now they've come around.

First, you hear one kind of food is bad for you. Don't eat that.

Then, you hear that another type of food is bad for you. Don't eat that, either.

Eventually, you come to realize that everything is bad for you, and you say "fuck it" and do what you want.

I think that's where energy consumption is going today. You burn oil, and you get global warming and smog. You do nuclear, and you get waste products with scary half-lifes. Grow enough corn for ethanol, and deplete the soil. Solar, wind, and water are unpredictable and inefficient. It's all bad for you,

Yes, I remember reading an article about how everyone was complaining about the pollution that horses created in the cities(horseshit), way back when. Then when the car came along, everyone said..Hooray, no more pollution. cough cough

3 mile island was a half hour away from total meltdown. they could have prevented the situation several times while it was going on but did not, due to inadequate monitoring infrastructure and basic human error.

i suggest watching this : http://www.veoh.com/videos/v456237j7Z89N8T

you have to download veoh player, and its like an hour long, but well worth it. does an excellent job of really explaining what happened. to say the least, i dont think nuclear power is the way to go, especially when we're on the precipice of breaking through the green barrier.

3 mile island was a half hour away from total meltdown. they could have prevented the situation several times while it was going on but did not, due to inadequate monitoring infrastructure and basic human error.

i suggest watching this : http://www.veoh.com/videos/v456237j7Z89N8T

you have to download veoh player, and its like an hour long, but well worth it. does an excellent job of really explaining what happened. to say the least, i dont think nuclear power is the way to go, especially when we're on the precipice of breaking through the green barrier.


I've studied what really happened. 50 years of naval nuclear power, not one nuclear accident. The plants now are pretty tough to break.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/coldwar/reactorside1.htm

http://oc.itgo.com/kitsap/nuclear/clymer.htm

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Sorry, I should've stated US naval nuclear power.

And regarding the second one, we do primary valve discharges over the side on a routine basis. It should also be noted that most of the time a nuclear vessel is in the shipyard, the shipyard, usually Northrup Grummond, but sometimes Puget Sound has their own tag out system, their own work controls, their own policies that supersede the navy's.

I'm reading more of that article. SL-1 was an army project. We have "incidents" on a near daily basis. But nuclear "accident" has a specific definition, and I can look it up at work if you guys want me to, I think it's got something to do with the release of fission products into the atmosphere, although I'm not sure. They have fact finding missions and seminars on every single one of these incidents and then report it to NAVSEA 08 (Naval Reactors). Most the time, it's something like someone fucking up a valve line up, someone tripping off a wrong breaker resulting in a automatic transfer of electrical power to the emergency source, etc, etc. If you know anything about propulsion plant operation, its really not a big deal. I'm sure that reporter has a ton of experience operating power plants though.

Getting back to the French situation, if the French can do it, why can't we?

They are selling power to the Brits.

There is no reason we can't do it. We've got a pipeline of qualified nuclear operators from the navy that get jobs in other fields because there aren't enough nuclear jobs.

Nice idea (http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/10/13/floating.nuke.plant/index.html), but I'm not sure that I have great confidence in the russians to execute it safely.


The Russian plan is to mount two reactors on a football-field-size barge, float it to a port, connect power lines to the mainland, and turn on the reactors, providing communities with affordable electricity.

The plant will store waste and spent fuel in an onboard facility that workers will empty every 10 to 12 years during regular maintenance overhauls. After 40 years, the normal life span for a nuclear plant, the decommissioned plant would be towed away and replaced with a new one.

The reactor and spent fuel would go to a storage facility, but the barge could be recycled.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=15146

I like that: "the barge could be recycled"
Knowing the Russkies, I think they'll just tow the nuclear barge out to the middle of the ocean and sink it.

Along with potential leaks of radioactive material and waste disposal, now we've got lack of coffee (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010304442.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR) as a problem at nuclear power plants.

Looks like they got Sector 7G's finest...

Along with potential leaks of radioactive material and waste disposal, now we've got lack of coffee (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/03/AR2008010304442.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&sub=AR) as a problem at nuclear power plants.

Just like that scene from "Airplane!"

Just like that scene from "Airplane!"

I feel so dumb. I must've seen that move fiftyleven times and I don't remember the scene.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/business/energy-environment/10nukes.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1259283643-5p6L3468OAcFK7yNNlPEUw


MOSCOW — What’s powering your home appliances?

For about 10 percent of electricity in the United States, it’s fuel from dismantled nuclear bombs, including Russian ones.

“It’s a great, easy source” of fuel, said Marina V. Alekseyenkova, an analyst at Renaissance Capital and an expert in the Russian nuclear industry that has profited from the arrangement since the end of the cold war.

But if more diluted weapons-grade uranium isn’t secured soon, the pipeline could run dry, with ramifications for consumers, as well as some American utilities and their Russian suppliers.

Already nervous about a supply gap, utilities operating America’s 104 nuclear reactors are paying as much attention to President Obama’s efforts to conclude a new arms treaty as the Nobel Peace Prize committee did.

In the last two decades, nuclear disarmament has become an integral part of the electricity industry, little known to most Americans.

Salvaged bomb material now generates about 10 percent of electricity in the United States — by comparison, hydropower generates about 6 percent and solar, biomass, wind and geothermal together account for 3 percent.

We're running out of accessible helium... fast.

http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/going_going_gone/

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/utilities/article7070403.ece


A new type of nuclear reactor that could permanently “destroy” atomic waste is being developed by French scientists, according to the chief executive of Areva, the world’s largest nuclear energy company.

We could have been developing that techno, but tree huggers have shut down any nuclear construction in this country.

WHERE IS CRUSCOTT35 NOW?!

WHERE IS CRUSCOTT35 NOW?!

http://werollhard.com/forum/index.php?topic=56864.0

Radiation talk in the 2nd half, fuck france talk in the first.

Herm's gonna sell us boner pills next.

Why sell a pill when you can sell the whole boner?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110314091959.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily% 3A+Latest+Science+News%29

Not clicking on that unless it's about boners.

http://werollhard.com/forum/index.php?topic=56864.0

Radiation talk in the 2nd half, fuck france talk in the first.

Gotta sign up to read Herm...dude rolls hard.

Odumba is not so dumb on this one. The admin says it will continue to develop nuclear power plants. Now that doens't mean we'll have anything by tomorrow or anything like that, but at least he didn't let the tree huggers get to him and stop all nuclear power development.

As for oil, he is fuckin the country by basically stopping oil permits.

Good news on batteries:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110320164225.htm

So Barry wants to cut oil imports by 33%. Another lofty goal by another Prez without really laying out a plan on how to do it.

He is a liberal and does live in an idealistic world where he thinks we can run this countries manufacturing, cars, light our houses, etc on wind and solar. what a pipe dream. It sounds great but ain't gonna happen.

The truth is that we don't live in a perfect world and nuclear accidents are going to happen again. Oil spills are going to happen again. Its not a perfect world folks.

BTW the federal gov't used more fuel last year than any other year. So Barry needs to practice what he preach.

I want a pony.

Innnnteresting... wind farms and global warming...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2137170/Wind-farms-link-rising-temperatures-detrimental-impact-wildlife-weather-say-scientists.html?ito=feeds-newsxml