it occurs to me that our bench, potentially, could be the best its been since 04. and actually, depending on the kids and how good of a job flip does developing it, it could actually be better. we probably wont have anything as effective as the pitbulls, but its worth noting that LB hated memo and corliss wasnt that effective in the playoffs. we have so many different pieces its almost a problem. i look forward to seeing how the flipster handles this situation.

Best since '04 isn't saying much.

i look forward to seeing how the flipster handles this situation.
I fear it.

Phear The Phlip!

I like our bench alot too, Maxiell should be the clear-cut favorite for Most Improved Player of The Year Award....

04 Bench

Corliss- when he was on the decline
Okur- often misused, not a snowballs chance in hell LB would let him shoot the 3
James- solid defender, could score as well if needed
Hunter- defense is still the same right now, as it was then
Elden- had 6 fouls to give, was expected to use them all


07 Bench

Maxiell- alot better than Scoreless was in '04, rebounds better, scores more, and brings WAY more energy

Hayes- can fill it up if needed, not very consistent, but when he's on (which doesn't happen often enough), he can make his shots

Hunter- defense...

Afflalo- defense, he's got some nifty moves when he drives to the basket as well, not sure if many ppl have noticed

Stuckey- not sure what we'll get, my guess is a scorer who can attack the basket

Herrmann, Murray, Brezec...


07 Bench is much better IMO...offensively & defensively


but I also thought our '05 bench was better than the '04 bench since we had Dyess...but that didn't translate into a Ring

04 bench
No Flip Murray

interpret the implications as you wish

04 bench
No Flip Murray

interpret the implications as you wish


Harsh, the guy isn't that much of a cancer.

As long as he's just getting dumped into blowouts, all he's doing is playing selfish ball that doesn't get the team involved, but its not affecting wins. Its when we use him with all the starters and he's playing selfish ball, but usually the big dogs of the team sort that out on the court.

I think Stuckey and Maxey could probably start for some teams, and that means we have a very good bench already. Hayes and Afflalo, if they can keep their rhythm, are icing on the cake.

Depends on whether Stuckey can be a solid backup PG and whether Brezec can play solid in limeted backup C minutes. If so, then this bench is better. If not (and we rely on Flip), it's not.

Do you think it's fair to think that Stuckey can score 10-12 points per game?

Based on what I've read, it seems like he's a mini-Dwyane Wade, a natural scorer, and isn't afraid to drive to the basket, plus he's got some size and bulk for a combo guard

Maxiell is playing really, really well.

I think its possible, but only after he gets acclimated to the game again. He hasn't played in quite a while plus the fact that he's a rookie, so he'll take some time.

What is Captain Obvious the captain of? Does he have a ship of some sort? I need to know.

The '04 bench was nothing short of amazing because of the Pitbulls and
what they brought to the game with their caffeinated on the ball defense.
Sheed and Ben had Memo relieving them in a 3 way rotation up front.
Corliss came off for Tayshaun in most cases, but also played a bit of the 4.
Elden and Ham were the other two that got to play here and there.


Our current bench is much better on paper. If they can form some
sort of continuity and if Flip can develop a nice rhythm in playing time
for a rotation by that time, it can be the best we've ever had here.
Who knows what Stuckey will provide…it might be a great run this season.

Do you think it's fair to think that Stuckey can score 10-12 points per game?

Based on what I've read, it seems like he's a mini-Dwyane Wade, a natural scorer, and isn't afraid to drive to the basket, plus he's got some size and bulk for a combo guard

depends on shot attempts. If he's in there with Afflalo and Hayes (or brought in for RIP first), yes. If Flip brings him in for Billups (with RIP and Tay in there still) and then brings Billups back in for RIP, maybe not. he'd be more of a facilitator then, and I'd be more concered about decent assist to turnover numbers, points in the paint (from driving and dump offs, or finishing), etc.

do you know what his preseason numbers were, ppg, assists, turnovers, rebounds, minuets???

I know they're not worth putting much stock into...but it could give an idea

do you know what his preseason numbers were, ppg, assists, turnovers, rebounds, minuets???

I know they're not worth putting much stock into...but it could give an idea
Scored 10, 14, and 15 in his last 3 preseason games per nba.com.

Hard to tell though on the other numbers. They fluctuated a bit.

Scored 10, 14, and 15 in his last 3 preseason games per nba.com.

Hard to tell though on the other numbers. They fluctuated a bit.


Any update on stuckey? I haven't been able to find any more info on him besides that he'll be back beginning of 2008.

They just keep saying 2 more weeks. He's got to go back to the docs soon to get re-evaluated though.

What is Captain Obvious the captain of? Does he have a ship of some sort? I need to know.
It is the S.S. Sherlock Holmes and it is a bovine fertilizer tanker.

Any update on stuckey? I haven't been able to find any more info on him besides that he'll be back beginning of 2008.
The last I heard (radio) was that two of his fingers have healed sufficiently .. but is pinky is only 25% recalcified (whatever that means)... they are not expecting him to resume play until after the new year.

Isn't that ship owned by Bukdow?

Brezec will be IN the rotation.

i dont know about IN the rotation, but he'll get some pt here and there atleast. hes not bad, but im not sure he exactly fits in with what we're trying to be.

What are we trying to be and how does he not fit in? He's proven that he's willing to be a hard worker that does all the little things in Charlotte. In the past he proved he can be leaned on a bit if needed, not that we'll need to. I think he'll fit in just fine.

I doubt Brezec sees minutes on a regular basis, he might get minutes like Mohammed did, if either Rasheed or Dyess is in foul trouble towards the end of a half, or late in a game when the outcome is already decided...

other than that, I doubt he'll play much...


what about Herrmann?

I'd like to see him play a bit to see what we have there. Then we'll know if we should move his contract at the deadline for something we're lacking, or if we should look to bring him back next year instead of someone like Hayes in a money-saving move. Assuming he'd be cheaper of course.

Brezec is in the top 3 of hard workers on our team. Flip should recognize and play him to show them what he expects.

These early season successes mean very little to me.

I definitely like that idea. It shows the younger guys that working harder is rewarded.

Who are your other top 3?

Brezec is in the top 3 of hard workers on our team. Flip should recognize and play him to show them what he expects.

These early season successes mean very little to me.
Huh?... based on the last game... or the minutes on the Bobcats pine?

He just sluffed off to force a trade. His words. I hope Tahoe is playing heel here.

I'm guessing based on his rep. I've heard that from a few sources as well.

He didn't say he sluffed off to force a trade. He said he forced a trade, but he didn't say it was by not working hard (that I saw). I took it as more of going to management and saying "trade me, I want out".

I'd say Maxiel is on the list, he doesn't take plays off. Rip hustles and doesn't quit. Brezec is right there.

Merc...Much like RR is a great evaluator of talent, I, me, am a great evaluator of hustle. Watch him!

Anyone remember Mark Madsen?

He just sluffed off to force a trade. His words. I hope Tahoe is playing heel here.

If so:

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesA/austinmcmahon.jpg

DAMN YOU TAHOE!!

Anyone remember Mark Madsen?
yea he's garbage. hustles his ass off, but is garbage.

Phil Whatthefucksname said when he was coaching the Lakers that he signaled down the bench for the guy next to Madsen to come down and check in. Phil said Madsen ran down the bench full speed, taking off his sweats. Phil said he hustled so much he couldn't NOT put him in the game.

Theres my story. Thats Brezec. We need defensive presence under the boards boys...he's the man!

That's the kind of guys I'd want making up the end of my bench. They may not be the best players, but they aren't getting a ton of time anyway, and they always ALWAYS give a full effort.

Agree on the bench thing...You did both. You started and worked hard every play. Thats why you're the man!

It's how Stockton roles.

I'd say Maxiel is on the list, he doesn't take plays off. Rip hustles and doesn't quit. Brezec is right there.

Merc...Much like RR is a great evaluator of talent, I, me, am a great evaluator of hustle. Watch him!

Alright man, I'll take your word for it... not sure why the Bobcat posters think he's extremely slow... not that Nazr or Cwebb were gonna make the all "D" team.

Phil Whatthefucksname said when he was coaching the Lakers that he signaled down the bench for the guy next to Madsen to come down and check in. Phil said Madsen ran down the bench full speed, taking off his sweats. Phil said he hustled so much he couldn't NOT put him in the game.

Theres my story. Thats Brezec. We need defensive presence under the boards boys...he's the man!
Comparing Madsen to Brezec is horrible. I've lost all faith in where you were going with this. Brezec plays euro Center. Not Dirk Euro, But Big Z euro. And Big Z is about the best thing to compare him to in the league. Both are pretty flat footed, with Big Z being slower and less athletic. While Brezec is a better passer in the post but not as good defensively or rebounding. He needs to be a better weak side enforcer. Does decently contesting shots one on one. But doesnt get enough weak side activity imo. With that said a couple years ago he was pretty damn decent. Can new surrounding resurge that? we'll see.

I think with the Madsen and Brezec thing, he was talking about hustle, not anything to do with how they play, just that they both put in as much effort as possible.

I think with the Madsen and Brezec thing, he was talking about hustle, not anything to do with how they play, just that they both put in as much effort as possible.

Thank you, not talkin bout they skilz, talkin bout they hustle

If you want to talk about hustle, I can bring up Flip Murray. That guy hustles his ass off. Unfortunately, the Pistons need a lot more from Flip Murray than just hustle.

Thank you, not talkin bout they skilz, talkin bout they hustle
i still say its off. not even close. dont know where you got that from. Madsen is far ahead of brezec in hustle. Not in talent, but definitely in hustle. again brezec hustles and plays like big z. jmho. cant see the madsen angle at all.

i still say its off. not even close. dont know where you got that from. Madsen is far ahead of brezec in hustle. Not in talent, but definitely in hustle. again brezec hustles and plays like big z. jmho. cant see the madsen angle at all.

But you aren't a great evaluator of hustle, like I am. You forgot that didn't ya?

If you want to talk about hustle, I can bring up Flip Murray. That guy hustles his ass off. Unfortunately, the Pistons need a lot more from Flip Murray than just hustle.
Selfishness negates hussle.

Indeed. Dribbling all over the place isn't hustle, its stupid.

bitches!

I love Flip.

Can I have some?

If Lindsey's going to insist on shooting I'd prefer if he did it more off the dribble rather than from 3.

So I guess Webber will be back sometime in January.

Why do you say that?

JA Adande put it out there on ESPN last night.

Ugh. No thank you. I'm not ready for the C-Webb era again. I'd rather give Brezec a chance to prove what he can do.

Ugh. No thank you. I'm not ready for the C-Webb era again. I'd rather give Brezec a chance to prove what he can do.

YES!

Ugh. No thank you. I'm not ready for the C-Webb era again. I'd rather give Brezec a chance to prove what he can do.
i couldnt care less. we dont have to pay big money to any of them. and we just need solid guys to reprieve our starters. Webber in limited time could be farely useful. Wont get worn out by the playoffs for once.

Does CWebb start again with Dice coming off the bench? I don't want to mess with the starting rotation, but Dice is comfortable off the bench. CWebb won't be able to keep up with the youngsters coming off the bench.

Does CWebb start again with Dice coming off the bench? I don't want to mess with the starting rotation, but Dice is comfortable off the bench. CWebb won't be able to keep up with the youngsters coming off the bench.
Nazr didnt slow us down and if you havent noticed brezec isnt much quicker than webber. But Webber isnt starting anywhere, especially detroit.

No one is saying give him a starting role. That would just be assanine! Then again, our coach is Flip........

The only reason I asked is he DID start last year.

yea, i dont know how you could just assume his role. i recall him being a pretty good soldier last year, though. correct me if im wrong. i know he came in demanding a role, but i think things have changed from 12 mnths ago. i'd welcome him back, why not?

Does CWebb start again with Dice coming off the bench? I don't want to mess with the starting rotation, but Dice is comfortable off the bench. CWebb won't be able to keep up with the youngsters coming off the bench.

Dice has historically said he prefers coming off of our bench, but i recall a recent interview where he said he's very comfortable starting now. i think there's less pressure for him to produce when he's starting.

I honestly believe Amir could make more of an impact for us with his shot blocking, energy, and athleticism than C-Webb right now. Let's not bring him back.

Especially with Stuckey out for an indeterminate amount of time, the idea of a solid passing C had some appeal. I'd rather run an offense through CWebb than either Lindsey or Flipperoni.

With Stuckey back you'd think Amir would provide more of what we need than Webber. Stuckey can get to the hole and create for Max and Amir at the rim. Hunter does not, which is when Webber is more valuable.

I'd rather roll without Webber myself. If we really need him come trade deadline we can bring him in then.

i think the idea of amir being an impact player this year is more of a pipe dream. ath this point i'd bet anything saunders would play webber ahead of him.

i think the idea of amir being an impact player this year is more of a pipe dream. ath this point i'd bet anything saunders would play webber ahead of him.

he would play webber ahead of him. My point is do we even use our 4th big man? Not very often. Sheed, Dyess and Max can play most of the minutes. You really only need your 4th big man for 5-10 minutes a night. Why not let Amir/Brezec play those minutes.

I'm not expecting Amir to be an impact player this year. Just use him like we used Hunter last night. Throw him in for a few minutes and see if his energy will rub off.

Does anyone remember that game last year where Amir put up 20-12, 4 blocks, 3 steals? And it wasn't even a blowout. Someone posted a clip of it in another thread.

if we'd only give him a chance...

wrong thread