60-80 names will be made public tomorrow

I wonder how many current/former Tigers?

Who on the current tigers would be named? Sheff? Maybe Pudge? Other than that I can't think of anyone.

Certainly not :howdidwegetminer:

Hell no, he's far too classy for that. Who'd we get him for again?

Pudge will probably be listed. I doubt Sheffield will be, because steroids are only something you put in your butt. Period.

Nice.

Chris Shelton?

Who?

The future of the Tigers!

Didn't he get cut or something? I swear I heard that recently.

He was traded for some nobody.

Big surprise. We should have traded him while he was hot.

Pudge and Sheff will most likely be on this report.........and then everybody will say "okay, so...now what?"

And the answer will be "NOTHING"

Today, Miggy Tejada gets traded, tomorrow he gets outed.

Mitchell to deliver probe 2 p.m. Thursday
lol

Hearing some good stuff about this.

1. Those that are expecting BIG NAMES "will not be disappointed"

2. There is at least 1 former Cy Young winner in the report

The first name that I thought of, of course, is Clemens, but it's probably somebody like Eric Gagne.

News just broke on ESPN that Clemens will be named.

So who is going to file the first lawsuit against baseball?

Is Mitchell going to just hold a press conference where he just names everybody? If so, that would be awesome. And tight.

CLEMENS IS BEING SINGLED OUT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE.

Is Mitchell going to just hold a press conference where he just names everybody? If so, that would be awesome. And tight.

Yes.

There will also be a powerpoint presentation showing behind him with mug shot photos of all the implcated players.

Okay, no, but that would rule.

I'm guessing that the presser will be more about the overall report and the processes involved and he'll probably refuse to get into individual names and instead refer people to the report and let it speak for itself.

CLEMENS IS BEING SINGLED OUT BECAUSE HE IS WHITE.

Agreed.

This is all clearly a racial issue.

[/ESPN]

There will also be a powerpoint presentation showing behind him with mug shot photos of all the implcated players.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/dontrellewillismug1.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o104/babesthatlovebaseball/Under%20Belly/TonyLaRussaMugShot.jpg

It's baseball. Every one of these guys already has a drunk-driving mugshot you could use.

Andy Pettitte named.

If Griffey Jr. is named, I think every baseball fan in America will die inside a little bit.

Andy Pettitte named.

Mr. Religion?

What does the Bible say about steroid use?

I think it only says that steroid use as a homosexual will damn you to Hell.

bukdow named.

FUCK! I've just been told I've been outed!

https://www.fresno.edu/images/userimages/FPU_Rustin%20Pickett/6508/coach_beauregard.jpg

bukdow named.
...as the primary injector. He just loves getting a look at the dudes' asses.

Brady Anderson

Manny Alexander

Rick Ankiel

Jeff Bagwell

Barry Bonds

Aaron Boone

Rafaeil Bettancourt

Bret Boone

Milton Bradley

David Bell

Dante Bichette

Albert Belle

Paul Byrd

Wil Cordero

Ken Caminiti

Mike Cameron

Ramon Castro

Jose Canseco

Ozzie Canseco

Roger Clemens

Paxton Crawford

Wilson Delgado

Lenny Dykstra

Johnny Damon

Carl Everett

Kyle Farnsoworth

Ryan Franklin

Troy Glaus

Rich Garces

Jason Grimsley

Juan Gonzalez

Eric Gagne

Nomar Garciaparra

Jason Giambi

Jeremy Giambi

Jose Guillen

Jay Gibbons

Juan Gonzalez

Clay Hensley

Jerry Hairston

Felix Heredia Jr.

Darren Holmes

Wally Joyner

Darryl Kile

Matt Lawton

Raul Mondesi

Mark McGwire

Guillermo Mota

Robert Machado

Damian Moss

Abraham Nunez

Trot Nixon

Jose Offerman

Andy Pettitte

Mark Prior

Neifi Perez

Rafael Palmiero

Albert Pujols

Brian Roberts

Juan Rincon

John Rocker

Pudge Rodriguez

Sammy Sosa

Scott Schoenweis

David Segui

Alex Sanchez

Gary Sheffield

Miguel Tejada

Julian Tavarez

Fernando Tatis

Maurice Vaughn

Jason Varitek

Ismael Valdez

Matt Williams

Kerry Wood

Albert Pujols


oops.

Pudge, Gary, and Neifi.... Not surprised.

And Pujols=for shame.

Are these speculations, Hermy, or do you already know the list?

YEAH HERMY WTF MAN

Miner in the clear, as expected

And no not "The Clear"

Also, how many dead guys on that list?

I saw at least two for sure.

Some of these dudes haven't played in nearly 10 years.

Damn. Pujols? IS NOTHING RIGHT IN THIS WORLD??!?!

Pudge was one of the more obvious ones.

Pudge was one of the more obvious ones.

No shit.

I got it off a link of a link, so take it for what the internet is worth.

I am a better source than Art, that much is sure.

Juan Gone was on there twice...

There's gotta be more than one Juan Gonzalez in baseball.

There's not a person on that list that surprises me.

The one thing that did surprise me was that Pujols wasn't being investigated earlier. Look at him. That's not how a human body is supposed to look. I've been saying that for years. He's bigger than a damn WWF wrestler.

I wonder how my Barry Bonds' loving "friend" is going to react now.

"GET ME PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF BONDS INJECTING SOMETHING INTO HIS ASS!"

There's not a person on that list that surprises me.

The one thing that did surprise me was that Pujols wasn't being investigated earlier. Look at him. That's not how a human body is supposed to look. I've been saying that for years. He's bigger than a damn WWF wrestler.

I gave Pujols the benefit of the doubt. Then again I didn't start watching baseball until like '04. From what I understood now his body changed significantly from the time he arrived to the present...

There's gotta be more than one Juan Gonzalez in baseball.


The Tigers have had more than one.

And that list broke about 15 minutes before MSNBC had Albert listed, so I have to take it to be worth something.

I'm just glad Milt Cuyler wasn't on the list.

I hope some of these guys are still going to be in MLB 2K8!

I think this should be stickied.

Disappointed Jeter isn't listed. I guess that asshole really is perfect. Chalk another one up for U of M, goddamnit.

Evidnetly Fox News is reading names off this list, but a couple other people in the know are saying not everything here is kosher.

Grain of salt.

Evidnetly Fox News is reading names off this list, but a couple other people in the know are saying not everything here is kosher.

Grain of salt.

Good to know.

I was going to send out a mass email to the whole membership and claim to have the leaked list (courtesy of Hermy, of course).

Okay, I wasn't really going to do that, but I'm glad I didn't.

Btw, if this list is indeed legit, THIS is the name that I was really hoping to see:


Mark McGwire

Ever since that "I'm not here to talk about the past" debacle in front of Congress (still one of the most uncomfortable things I have ever seen) I've wanted at least something on the record about that guy's misdeeds with PED (besides andro).

Getting my chips and salsa ready. Not because I'm genuinely excited, but because I have nothing else to do/watch.

Anybody else think they should make a movie to follow up on this? "The Mitchell Report" has a nice ring to it.

A movie about hor tough it was for him to do this, about all the scandals and blah blah blah, it would fit with all the crap they're putting out these days.

******** on IMDB, at worst.

It could star Harrison Ford as Mitchell and Matt Damon as the wiley up and coming assistant.

I wonder if Neifi Perez will be in this report...or Lindsey Hunter...

It could star Harrison Ford as Mitchell and Matt Damon as the wiley up and coming assistant.


they should have Paula Abdul play Barry Bonds

Nah, Jennifer Hudson.

It could star Harrison Ford as Mitchell and Matt Damon as the wiley up and coming assistant.
Damon's getting a little too old to play the up-and-coming assistant guy. You've got to get someone in their late-20's for that.

Josh Hartnett?

Where is ARod on that list anyway?

George Mitchell: the next great action movie star.

If Chris Farley were still alive, he could play Jon Kruk in the ESPN studio...

John Goodman is a possible candidate.

Don't diss John Goodman like that. He fucking owned in The Big Lebowski.

Josh Hartnett?
That would probably work.

Don't diss John Goodman like that. He fucking owned in The Big Lebowski.


Yeah but he was terrible in Evan Almighty...

No one will remember that movie years from now. The Big Lebowski is a classic.

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My list was off on quite a few.

Chris Benoit on this list?

I'm impressed. I thought Mitchell would get up there and candy-coat things.

There were a lot of things he said that were hard hitting, npi. He said something like....the owners didn't want testing either. They were more interested in the financial aspect of the game. Right fucking on, Georgie.

http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

I have a fear speaking in front of a bunch of people. I respect this man just for going on TV and saying all of this to everybody.

^anybody download that thing yet? I'd like to see the list posted, but I can't really download it at work because it hits against our server (which is monitored).

It gives the names and a couple of paragraphs about the evidence. Cashed checks, hand written notes, etc. I just scanned it quickly cuz I should be going to work here shortly.

Best CNN Breaking News Email ever:


-- MLB steroid report: Use widespread, includes biggest stars

They had to wait until 2:30 pm to send that out?

ESPN says all 30 teams have players named in the report. I'm sure Sheff is named in some aspect.

LOL WTF IS THAT?

I think Mitchell just got pranked.

Current, Former Tigers in "Mitchell Report"
Posted by Scott Warheit December 13, 2007 14:00PM
Both current and former members of the Detroit are among the many names that are included in former Senator George Mitchell's steroid investigation report which was distributed both to the media and to Major League Baseball this afternoon (And can be fully accessed, 408-pages and all, at Major League Baseball's official website.

I have briefly skimmed through the report, and former Detroit Tigers Mark Carreon, Hal Morris, Phil Hiatt, Fernando Vina, and Nook Logan are listed in the report as is Juan Gonzalez. Gary Sheffield is the only current Detroit Tiger mentioned in the report (through his association with BALCO), and the name Ivan Rodriguez does not appear anywhere in the 408-page report. Other major names included are Roger Clemons, Andy Pettitte, and Miguel Tejada.

An interesting part of the report did find that in 2004, anabolic steroids were found in the Detroit Tigers locker-room.

At the end of the 2004 season, a clubhouse employee was cleaning out the Detroit Tigers locker room when he found a black toiletry kit that was locked. He and another Tigers employee opened the bag and found unused syringes and vials that they determined were anabolic steroids. They did not report the incident. The employee said that he could not remember who the bag belonged to.

There is no word yet on any potential discipline from Major League Baseball as a result of being named in the report, nor has there been any reaction, yet, from the named players. A great review of "what's next" for players after being named in the report can be found on SI.com, where Michael McCann reviews in-depth the consequences of being named in the report.

Whaaaaaaaaaat?

No Pudge. Sheffield is mentioned, basically with the stuff involving "the clear" and "the cream." I downloaded the report and searched for Tigers players who had been under suspision. It talks about what Gary said in his book about not knowing that it was steroids if it was, and that he rubbed the cream on his knees. It did not make him stronger.

But yeah, Pudge not being on there is a bit of a surprise.

Page 109 is where the awesome shit starts. "Unreported incidents." MLB has got to be the biggest cover-up squad in the history of organized crime, or the dumbest bunch of dumbfucks who ever fucked a dummy.

Nook Logan???

That's awesome.

The fuck are they bringing Rob Parker on for?

Page 111:




Given Canseco’s more recent and highly publicized admissions of his own steroid use, the connection between Canseco and the steroids Valdez was carrying while traveling with him now appears obvious. At the time, however, a report in the San Francisco Chronicle described the connection as “tenuous” (although soon thereafter a Chronicle sports columnist expressed some skepticism and also stated that baseball did “not even have a rule against steroid use” and “[t]heoretically, a baseball player could keep a bottle of steroids in his locker in the clubhouse and eat them during interviews”).

Vinny, I'm impressed.

And what happened to Nook Logan. At one time he was considered one of the fastest guys in the league, right? Then he dropped off the map.

Wasn't he having a "good" (an "ok" season to most) season with Washington a couple years ago?

Chris Benoit on this list?

Ha.

No one's surprised to see Todd Jones isn't in this report. :/

Wasn't he having a "good" (an "ok" season to most) season with Washington a couple years ago?
I remember hearing his name with another team after we cut him, but I couldn't remember who. Who was it he was competing with? Someone that we eventually got rid of and got caught for steroids. The guy that was really inconsistent. Its right there and I can't think of it.

Alex Sanchez?

No one's surprised to see Todd Jones isn't in this report. :/
Wouldn't steroids make him good?

Yes, Alex Sanchez, thank you.

Wouldn't steroids make him good?

Yeah, that was the joke.

Read it wrong, read it as a question, not a statement. Can we get him on steriods? DD, work your magic! See if those employees kept that little black bag.

If it had been long enough ago, I'd have said the bag was Higgy's or Juan Gone's

So Pujols isn't in the report?

Kruk pulling a Glenn, whining about the names being made public.

Why shouldn't they? If you work for a major corporation and you're caught cheating, ex. fixing the books for profit, its made public. They broke the rules in a sport that is highly publicized. There's no reason this shouldn't go public.

They had to name names or the report would have been looked at like a half assed job and/or a cover-up. Everyone would have been digging and it would have been non-stop questions to everyone involved. Its a good thing they got over that hurdle.

Clemens claiming he's innocent, of course.

The players association kind of took off the gloves on Selig, imoa. Those fucking babies cry about anything. The report ripped the owners too.

This isn't the owners giving those babies spankings, they got them too.

Nothing will become of this but its all out there now.

Is doing steriods like traveling or getting away with an offensive foul?

Its like Dwyane Wade getting all the calls. You know its there, you know he's flopping like a madman, yet nothing will ever come of it. No matter how much he's outted for it or how much the league says it will look into that type of behavior, it will continue unabated.

I expect that the testing will get a lot tougher and the league will negotiate as tough of penalties as they can get, but I don't think they'll go back and do anything to those players.

WTF?! Wade doesn't flop.

Is doing steriods like traveling or getting away with an offensive foul?
No, that's pine tar.

Steroids is like having Tim Donaghy reffing your game.

Motown is Capo now? Congrats.

Thanks! I've been wanting this job for a very long time now.




alsoi'vebeenacapofor3months

(http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10245)
ps you congratulated me in the thread

http://readingwritingliving.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/nice-airport-airplane_12202.jpg

Over my head?

One name that I was really glad to not see is Cal Ripken Jr.

That would have really been depressing.

The Mark Carreon revelation was crushing enough.

One name that I was really glad to not see is Cal Ripken Jr.

That would have really been depressing.

The Mark Carreon revelation was crushing enough.
Cal is a saint and can do no wrong except maybe put up mediocre stats.

I was going to print the Mitchell Report and read at school between my finals, but it turns out there isn't enough paper, or ink in my house to print all 4,000 pages...


damn, looks like I'll have to play solytare on my phone instead :(

Per espn.com today Pettite admitted using HGH in 2002.

Now Clemens is in a tough spot, now if he wants to say he did it for "2 days" like Pettitte did, everybody will accuse him of lying since he's already denied it...

sucks to be Roger right now

Are HGH and Steroids treated the same under the law? My buddy just bought a bunch of HGH over the net. He has ordered steroids too. Actually prohormones, I guess. Splitting hairs.

I know, I know, I should ask my buddy. Everytime I do, he says, its all legal. Yea right!

Is this your same "buddy" that's a Christian?

*wink*

Who saw Fernando Vina giving his story to Bob Ley...tell me with all the fidgeting he did he's not guilty as reported...

Agreed on the Vina thing.

It looked like he was just thinking, "Please don't fire me, ESPN".

I think they probably will, eventually.

Ditto, although they'll report he was fired for some other reason, like they did with Harold Reynolds...

it's a shame, Vina was a Tigers advocate on Baseball Tonight this past year...


What a corporation!! Mike Tirico can stalk employees, and get charged with sexual harrasment, yet he's got his own radio show and hosts MNF, then Harold Reynolds supposively hugs a girl the wrong way, and gets canned...

Gotta love corporate America.

Disney = Evil Empire

Agreed on the Vina thing.

It looked like he was just thinking, "Please don't fire me, ESPN".

I think they probably will, eventually.

"I took it, but you know Bob, I was hurt...I wanted to play every inning of every game."
Bob asks about the checks.
"Yeah, I think they were all for the HGH...but Bob, I love to play the game of baseball, I was hurt. I didn't want to get bigger or stronger."

Is this your same "buddy" that's a Christian?

*wink*

No, I have more than one bud.

:emo kid:

They are all hiding under the I was hurt bullshit. Today, Wilbon said I wish someone would say...I had to keep up with Bonds for chrissakes.

I feel sorry for Vina. I don't know why.

I feel sorry for Vina. I don't know why.


Probably because it's more embarassing to defend yourself on video, rather than over the phone like David Justice did...

You could actually tell Vina was lying, whereas with Justice, you'd never know

In case you guys missed it the other day, Pete Rose was quoted as saying that the steroid controversy is "making a mockery of baseball".

lol

Much like that haircut does, Pete.

i liked rose's point. if these guys are being concidered for the hall, he should too.

more to the point, this whole "give back the awards" "destroy the awards" etc arguments really piss me off. whether they should have or not, these achievements happened.

you cannot go backwards and say these dont count because you PROBABLY cheated to achieve this.

it would set a horrible, and unfair precedent. sports writers should punish them by not voting them in the hall.

i liked rose's point. if these guys are being concidered for the hall, he should too.

more to the point, this whole "give back the awards" "destroy the awards" etc arguments really piss me off. whether they should have or not, these achievements happened.

you cannot go backwards and say these dont count because you PROBABLY cheated to achieve this.

it would set a horrible, and unfair precedent. sports writers should punish them by not voting them in the hall.

So if someone cheats on a test in HS or College and gets caught, the achievements happened so they should be accepted?

if someone tested positive for ritalin, or was said to have taken ritalin during HS, despite not having ADD, they shouldnt have their diploma taken away, thats for sure. especially if the school did everything but encourage the taking of ritalin, many people had been taking ritalin, and people had been cheating for generations without recourse.

I'm not familiar with ritalin. Is that an analogy to steroids in sports?

is cheating on a test?

Crazy shit:

WTFSteroids.com (http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-2.html)

One name that I was really glad to not see is Cal Ripken Jr.

That would have really been depressing.
So you guys are bound by the MItchell Report? Cal could have very well tried the stuff. Steroids have been in sports as long as they've been around. I'm sure as soon as HGH became available guys used it. My possibly favorite player of all time is Nolan Ryan, and its not out the realm of possibility for him either. With that said, if he ever became accused of any of that shit. I'd still say he's one of the greatest pitchers of all time. Either way i'm glad about one thing. Names are being thrown out besides BOnds. I'm tired of him taking all of the heat for something maybe more than half the league did. And players would watch him burn at the stake before they stepped up on how dirty they've been.

I can agree with that.

I was simply stating that I was pleased that Cal's name was still clean, doesn't mean that he never touched the stuff, but he hasn't been implicated.

When the Mitchell report came out, I'll admit that it changed the way that I think about Bonds in some ways. He's still an arrogant ass and a liar, but maybe taking so much of the heat for this shit by himself, when he knew damn well that tons of others were getting a free pass from the public, contributed to his bitterness?

I can agree with that.

I was simply stating that I was pleased that Cal's name was still clean, doesn't mean that he never touched the stuff, but he hasn't been implicated.

When the Mitchell report came out, I'll admit that it changed the way that I think about Bonds in some ways. He's still an arrogant ass and a liar, but maybe taking so much of the heat for this shit by himself, when he knew damn well that tons of others were getting a free pass from the public, contributed to his bitterness?
Hey he was always a bitter prick. Unfortunately thats a crime in the court of public opinion. So he was a perfect candidate to make the lone target. No one liked him personally and he was breaking records that some couldnt touch even with steroids. Mainly because he was an exceptional ball player in the first place.

With that said, I think Bonds was bitter more with the people who didn't think to look at spreading the blame more so than the fellow players letting him take all the heat. Canseco is mad at them. But i dont think Bonds is.

Speaking of Canseco, I might actually read the sequel to Juiced (it's in the works).

Speaking of Canseco, I might actually read the sequel to Juiced (it's in the works).

He's going to claim that ARod has roided.

Oh, what? I just wanted to see if he was going to shed some light on what his castmates from "The Surreal Life" did.

Oh, what? I just wanted to see if he was going to shed some light on what his castmates from "The Surreal Life" did.
Well the bitches tried to hump him. that was pretty apparent not counting the very lesbian looking brat. Though Da Brat will still claim to be a 33 year old tom boy.

Canseco pretty much told the truth, as far as I can tell.

Yeah, he did, but everyone hates him for it because he just did it to make money.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1231sunsnb1231.html


A news release was delivered Sunday to Suns forward Grant Hill, who paused briefly on his first read of the headline.

It said, "Hill becomes the first NBA player named in Mitchell Report."

Holy crap, really? I mean, I suppose it doesn't really surprise me, he had some really shitty injuries, but wow.

I buy it (Hill being named, not steroids/HGH).

it wasnt in the mitchell report, it was in the kerr report. im pretty sure he did it just to shamelessly draw attention to his bid for the presedency, too.

LOL Congress wants Clemens to testify. OMG, I would take off work to watch that douche testify.

ROGER CLEMENS IS TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!

[/annoying Yankees' bitch voice]

^that's funny

I can't watch though, after that McGwire thing, which is just too uncomfortable for me to think about.

QUIT BEING A GLEN HANGER ONNER!

^that's funny

I can't watch though, after that McGwire thing, which is just too uncomfortable for me to think about.

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Just had to bring it up.

ROGER CLEMENS HAS HIS OWN LITTLE THING ON THE ESPN SCROLLER. GOODNESS GRACIOUS!

I would never have sex with a woman with that voice. Under any circumstances.