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MoTown
11-10-2007, 08:08 PM
Wisconsin unveils Michigan's true identity
By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

Updated: November 10, 2007



Badgers Keep Rolling at Home With Win Over Michigan
MADISON, Wis. -- To paraphrase Dennis Green, the Michigan Wolverines are who we thought they were.

They're the same team that gave up 1,011 yards and 73 points while starting 0-2. They're nothing special -- an Outback Bowl kind of team dressed up for a time as a pseudo-contender. Wisconsin, a disappointment in its own right, proved that Big Blue was an empty set of shoulder pads by slapping it 37-21 in Camp Randall Stadium on Saturday.

We were tricked into believing Michigan had rehabbed itself during its eight-game winning streak. What actually transpired was this: The schedule got soft.

Notre Dame couldn't win the Mid-American Conference this year and neither could Eastern Michigan -- those were the Wolves' two nonconference victories. And the fact that Michigan could roll up six straight league wins reinforces the reality that it's a bad year for the Big Ten.

The 8-3 Wolverines have no business playing for a Big Ten title against Ohio State, but they will anyway. Presumably, the injured Chad Henne (shoulder) and Mike Hart (ankle) will play against the Buckeyes after Henne went two series and Hart none at all against Wisconsin. Coach Lloyd Carr wasn't going to risk losing them before the all-the-marbles game next Saturday.

But unless they can play defense, too, the Wolverines don't have a chance.

Not that you have to take my word for it. Ask the Badgers, who lost by 21 to Ohio State last week and now have sliced up Michigan.

"I thought Ohio State was a lot tougher," said offensive tackle Gabe Carimi. "[The Buckeyes] were definitely a beatable team. We should have beaten them. But they're a good defense. The only way to beat them is to be physical with them."

Said wide receiver Paul Hubbard: "They're both kind of disciplined, but Ohio State has got a really tough defense. They're more disciplined. Michigan's got a couple young guys out there that they're trying to develop. Ohio State, they're tremendous."

The Wolverines were gashed for 477 yards by a Badgers team that was largely without its own star running back, P.J. Hill. The Wisconsin Winnebago made a third-quarter cameo, rushing five times for 14 yards. He wasn't missed -- not with freshman Zach Brown running for 108 yards and two touchdowns, Lance Smith-Williams chipping in 52 first-half yards before injuring a shoulder and quarterback Tyler Donovan skittering around for a season-high 49 and a score.

Stop me if you've heard this before, but Michigan has a history of issues with running quarterbacks. Saturday, it also had issues with passing quarterbacks (Donovan threw for 245 yards) and quality receivers (Hubbard had 134 receiving yards and Travis Beckum 106).

Put it all together and you see why Wisconsin monopolized the ball for 38 minutes and 15 seconds, compared to Michigan's 21:45.

"We weren't able to do anything ourselves offensively until very late in the third quarter, and that's what happens when you can't run the football," Carr said. "It's a problem. And when you can't stop it, it's a problem. But I will say this, our team fought until the very end and made a couple of great plays there to get us back within two with seven minutes to go and we came up short."

The fact that Michigan was down two with seven minutes to play was partly Carr's fault. Trailing 23-7 early in the fourth, he elected not to try two-point conversions after the next two touchdowns that could have tied the game. Combine that and holding Hart and Henne out, and it almost looked like Carr was throwing the game.

But the Wolverines still had a chance to pull out a miraculous comeback win in the final half of the fourth quarter. That's when freshman Ryan Mallett, subbing for Henne, threw an interception to set up one Wisconsin short-field touchdown. Michigan turned the ball over on downs its next possession to facilitate a second short-field score, and it was celebration time for Bucky.

Now it's circle-the-wagons time for Michigan once again. The Carr-bashing had simmered down during the eight-game winning streak, but closing the regular season with a bookend two-game losing streak would bring it back to a full boil.

Beating Ohio State would certainly return some sheen to a season with plenty of tarnish. Certainly Henne and Hart are desperate to avoid an oh-for-Ohio State college career, and Carr needs to get the Jim Tressel anvil off his head as well.

But the game took a double-barrelled hit Saturday, first with Michigan's convincing loss here and then with Ohio State's shocking comeuppance at home against Illinois. The symbolism for this nonsensical season of college football would have been too perfect: Wolverines start the year by losing to I-AA Appalachian State and end it by taking down the undefeated, top-ranked Buckeyes.

The chance for a symbolic moment is lost now, and some of the sizzle, too. So is Michigan's illusion of dramatic improvement from the beginning of the season.

The Wolverines are the same flawed team we thought they were in September.

Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ESPN4D@aol.com.

I know Michigan isn't the best team in the country, but what's up his ass? I don't think anyone was claiming that Michigan was the best team in the country.

And I like how he compared how OSU beat Wisconsin, and how Michigan lost to Wisconsin. That's an argument that a 4 year old makes. Michigan beat Illinois at Champaign, so Michigan is going to whoop OSU's ass!

Timone
11-10-2007, 08:09 PM
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/070920_crocker.jpg?size=ds

LEAVE BUKDOW ALONE!!!!

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-10-2007, 08:12 PM
Wow! Was Forde expecting them to make a run at the BCS Title???

bukdow
11-10-2007, 08:31 PM
I know Michigan isn't the best team in the country, but what's up his ass? I don't think anyone was claiming that Michigan was the best team in the country.

And I like how he compared how OSU beat Wisconsin, and how Michigan lost to Wisconsin. That's an argument that a 4 year old makes. Michigan beat Illinois at Champaign, so Michigan is going to whoop OSU's ass!
Here is a newsflash for you, people do not like UM! Why? Well, Mouth Hart is one reason, Lloyd`s constant excuse making is another, UM`s bloated, pretentious alumni is a popular reason, and UM`s army of redneck, dumbass non-alumni fans is another. Why do you think everyone in the college football world cheered when Appalachian State beat UM? Because nobody can stand the institution or its fans.

Timone
11-10-2007, 08:33 PM
Gotta say I agree, bukdow. Michigan fans go to family reunions to pick up chicks. Fucking hicks.

bukdow
11-10-2007, 08:38 PM
Wow! Was Forde expecting them to make a run at the BCS Title???
Dumbass, UM was pre-season #5 with not one, not two, but three Heisman candidates. You are damn right UM was expected to make a run at the BCS title. Isn`t that one of the reasons Jake Long came back?

Seriously, kid, shut the fuck up.

Timone
11-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Wil, stop, you're embarassing yourself.

Zip Goshboots
11-10-2007, 08:45 PM
I just have never felt the hatred for UM that the Sparties think exists in the world outside of Lansing.

People respect the hell out of Michigan. Students come from all over the world to go there, and they have legions of bootlicks throughout the country.

I think it simply boils down to jealousy, insecurity, and obsessing about how cool Michigan is, especially when your school mascot is the representative of a culture of homosexual warriors who consistently got their asses kicked by better prepared armies.

Timone
11-10-2007, 08:46 PM
Dude, Zip, bullshit.


Spartans were considered to be the finest Greek hoplites in the Hellenistic world at one time.

bukdow
11-10-2007, 08:46 PM
I just have never felt the hatred for UM that the Sparties think exists in the world outside of Lansing.

People respect the hell out of Michigan. Students come from all over the world to go there, and they have legions of bootlicks throughout the country.

I think it simply boils down to jealousy, insecurity, and obsessing about how cool Michigan is, especially when your school mascot is the representative of a culture of homosexual warriors who consistently got their asses kicked by better prepared armies.
You make Mouth Hart sound intelligent.

Zip Goshboots
11-10-2007, 08:57 PM
You make Mouth Hart sound intelligent.

He IS intelligent. He's a Michigan Man, not a faggoty ass Spartan who wants to be a pin cushion when he grows up.

bukdow
11-10-2007, 09:04 PM
He IS intelligent. He's a Michigan Man, not a faggoty ass Spartan who wants to be a pin cushion when he grows up.
Let me restate my previous contention, you make Dana Plato look intelligent.

Timone
11-10-2007, 09:07 PM
oh man, you're on FIRE

MoTown
11-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Here is a newsflash for you, people do not like UM! Why? Well, Mouth Hart is one reason, Lloyd`s constant excuse making is another, UM`s bloated, pretentious alumni is a popular reason, and UM`s army of redneck, dumbass non-alumni fans is another. Why do you think everyone in the college football world cheered when Appalachian State beat UM? Because nobody can stand the institution or its fans.

Wait... so what are you saying? People like U of M? Or they dislike U of M? I couldn't really tell in your post.

Timone
11-10-2007, 09:24 PM
I had no clue I was a redneck...


...I do look like my uncle


OH GOD!!!

MoTown
11-10-2007, 09:29 PM
Here is a newsflash for you, people do not like UM! Why? Well, Mouth Hart is one reason, Lloyd`s constant excuse making is another, UM`s bloated, pretentious alumni is a popular reason, and UM`s army of redneck, dumbass non-alumni fans is another. Why do you think everyone in the college football world cheered when Appalachian State beat UM? Because nobody can stand the institution or its fans.

I know what you mean. When George Mason made that run two years ago, they played the four most hated teams in the country. It was incredible that they faced the four teams atop everyone's most hated list because every fan across the country cheered when they won. And then they played the fifth most hated team in the final four and everyone was upset that they didn't win.

It's obvious that everyone hates Michigan State, because people cheered. Then they beat North Carolina, and people cheered harder. Then they beat Wichita, and people didn't cheer as hard, but they still cheered. THEN THEY BEAT UCONN AND PEOPLE WERE EUPHORIC! When they lost to Florida, people cried. What are the chances? Everybody hates those scummy schools and that's why they got behind George Mason.


(Oh it has zero to do with the fact that they're underdogs. Only idiots and bootlicks would think that. You know, people without two degrees.)

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-10-2007, 10:23 PM
Dumbass, UM was pre-season #5 with not one, not two, but three Heisman candidates. You are damn right UM was expected to make a run at the BCS title. Isn`t that one of the reasons Jake Long came back?

Seriously, kid, shut the fuck up.

You obviously took my post out of context, I meant that since UM already had 2 losses, why is he acting like they are just now exposed?? This article is 9 weeks late if you ask me...

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-10-2007, 10:24 PM
Seriously, kid, shut the fuck up.


LOL! You are priceless, now I know why everybody shits on you on this site.

Thanks for showing me the "reason".

xanadu
11-10-2007, 10:58 PM
This is a nice follow-up to the summertime hachet-job. At least he's consistent with his half-assed "research" skills. If we're going to focus on preseason predictions, wisconsin was top 10 and playing at home vs. a true freshman quarterback. Also, when does interviewing players from the winning team provide direct evidence of future victories? Maybe someone should interview Illinois players about who is tougher. This is so far out of left field it is ridiculous. Michigan played very poorly today, but who was proclaiming them more than big 10 heavyweights in a down year? I mean this article might make sense for osu, who were ranked no. 1 and could have played for a NC, but what is the point for michigan? My guess is that this article was a precursor to one bashing osu for playing in the NC, but after osu lost he was too lazy to actually write an article with any relevance.

Timone
11-10-2007, 11:04 PM
http://thumbnail.search.aolcdn.com/truveo/images/thumbnails/B2/9A/B29AD2A9B6D981.jpg

That name sounded familiar...

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-10-2007, 11:34 PM
I just sent bukdow a couple kind "Michigan" themed PM's...what a great guy he is...

Timone
11-10-2007, 11:40 PM
forward them.

b-diddy
11-11-2007, 12:33 AM
Let me restate my previous contention, you make Dana Plato look intelligent.

hey, remember that time you claimed javon ringer was the best rb in the big ten? and then someone was all like "if he was that good UM would have recruited him" and then you were like "MSU outrecruited UM because they offered him pt at rb (or some other bs explanation)" and then it turned out ringer went to MSU because (and only because) he couldnt test into a better school? one of my favorite sparty moments.

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-11-2007, 12:07 PM
forward them.


How?

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-11-2007, 12:08 PM
hey, remember that time you claimed javon ringer was the best rb in the big ten? and then someone was all like "if he was that good UM would have recruited him" and then you were like "MSU outrecruited UM because they offered him pt at rb (or some other bs explanation)" and then it turned out ringer went to MSU because (and only because) he couldnt test into a better school? one of my favorite sparty moments.


Seconded.

bukdow
11-11-2007, 01:55 PM
hey, remember that time you claimed javon ringer was the best rb in the big ten? and then someone was all like "if he was that good UM would have recruited him" and then you were like "MSU outrecruited UM because they offered him pt at rb (or some other bs explanation)" and then it turned out ringer went to MSU because (and only because) he couldnt test into a better school? one of my favorite sparty moments.
I did say Ringer is the best RB in the Big Ten. However, all that other crap you are yammering about had nothing to do with me. Feel free to go back through the posts. Seriously, before you decide to take your case of diarrhea of the mouth public, you should at least know where to shit.

Zip Goshboots
11-11-2007, 01:59 PM
Man, bukdow: You just STAY angry and petulant, don't you?

b-diddy
11-11-2007, 02:12 PM
I did say Ringer is the best RB in the Big Ten. However, all that other crap you are yammering about had nothing to do with me. Feel free to go back through the posts. Seriously, before you decide to take your case of diarrhea of the mouth public, you should at least know where to shit.

you and your fellow dancing bears are all the same to me. it really doesnt matter if it was you or tre. dont try to split hairs with who's the dumb one.

bukdow
11-11-2007, 02:27 PM
you and your fellow dancing bears are all the same to me. it really doesnt matter if it was you or tre. dont try to split hairs with who's the dumb one.
I am not splitting hairs. I am just telling you that you are wrong, again.

b-diddy
11-11-2007, 02:31 PM
ok, ok, ok. sorry. it was sparty A, not sparty B who said it. sorry joel.

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-11-2007, 02:40 PM
I did say Ringer is the best RB in the Big Ten. However, all that other crap you are yammering about had nothing to do with me. Feel free to go back through the posts. Seriously, before you decide to take your case of diarrhea of the mouth public, you should at least know where to shit.


Are you still of the minority that is "those who believe Ringer is the best RB in the Big Ten"?