Apparently Kenny Rogers is going to explore all options...so much for the "I either play for the Tigers, or retire" jazz...

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071108/SPORTS02/311080001/1050

Boras

How much does Scott Boras actually think Kenny Roger is worth?


I'll be befuddled if he can get more than $8,000,000 per year like the Tigs were supposively offering...

How much does Scott Boras actually think Kenny Roger is worth?


I'll be befuddled if he can get more than $8,000,000 per year like the Tigs were supposively offering...

Word of the year!

Word of the year!


I forgot how to spell it

I was just giving you crap, Wil. WTF is not known for its great spellers. I just found that one funny.

Speak for yourself MoTown, my spelling is flawliss.

flawliss, shoeliss, butterliss, corliss...

Artemiss

I consider Kenny a fucking turncoat...til he resigns with us ofcourse.

According to RotoWorld.com (my online Bible), Dombrowski inquired about the Rockies Brian Fuentes...

he would probably be our replacement closer until (and if) Zumaya returns, would be an upgrade over Jonesy, but we would have to give up a decent prospect to get him...doubt it will happen, just an interesting nugget



Brian Fuentes-R- Rockies Nov. 8 - 1:22 pm et


The Tigers have inquired into Brian Fuentes' availability.
Fuentes could close in Detroit with Joel Zumaya set to miss a chunk of the season. The Rockies plan to offer Fuentes as extension this winter, but if he turns it down, it's possible that he'll be moved. Such a deal would give the Rockies more flexibility in dealing with free agents Kaz Matsui, Yorvit Torrealba, LaTroy Hawkins and Matt Herges.

If they trade Fuentes to keep Matt Herges, well, that's not smart of them.

If they trade Fuentes to keep Matt Herges, well, that's not smart of them.


Well they're also wanting to bring back LaTroy Hawkins, Fuentes lost his closer job to Corpas, so he's expendable, especially if they can get something in return...

I would think it would cost us a guy like Dallas Trahern though...so could be a longshot at best

^I'd much rather just sign a closer that won't cost us prospects.

like todd "tea cups" jones? why not bring him back one more year. hes familiar with the team and coaches, he's already here, wont cost us prospects, and hes a fan favorite.

well see how in control scotty B is. i would have guessed rogers was a lock to come back, and for alot less than that 8 million. but if you think about it, he was A++++++ in the playoffs in 06. how is that not worth a big pay raise? i could see boras parlaying that into a raise with a big spender. it seems like the yankees might be ready to maybe move into a different dirrection, otherwise he mightve gotten an 8 figure contract.

^I'd much rather just sign a closer that won't cost us prospects.


Me too. Give me Jonesy and a mediocre bullpen piece rather than having to give up some young talent and getting Fuentes

I just heard that the St Petersburgh Geritol made an offer to Rogers.

http://s8j.blogspirit.com/photos/medium_Kenny_Rogers.2.jpg

Money may split Rogers, Tigers

by Danny Knobler
Wednesday November 14, 2007, 12:17 AM



DETROIT -- Kenny Rogers' agent said again Tuesday that his client wants to re-sign with the Detroit Tigers. Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski said again Tuesday that the Tigers want Rogers to return.
And yet, on the first day Rogers could freely negotiate with any team in baseball, there were those in the Tigers organization already predicting quietly that Rogers is headed elsewhere.
Don't ask why, because you already know. It's about money.
It almost always is, right?
Rogers and his agent, Scott Boras, think he is worth more than the Tigers do. It is a large gap. Neither side will openly talk numbers, but it is easy to figure out where this stands.
The Tigers have offered Rogers two contracts, one with a guaranteed salary and no incentives, the other with a chance to make more money through incentives. Both are for one year, and it is believed the offers are in the $7 million to $8 million range.
Rogers and Boras, meanwhile, look at the recent contracts signed by 40-something pitchers Greg Maddux (who re-signed with San Diego) and Curt Schilling (who will remain with Boston). Maddux got $10 million guaranteed, and Schilling is guaranteed $8 million with a real chance to make $13 million.
The Tigers will point out that Rogers was injured for much of 2007 (pitching only 63 innings), that he finished the year with questions about his health and that he is older (he turned 43 on Saturday) than either Maddux (who will be 42 next April) or Schilling (whose 41st birthday is today). Rogers and Boras will say that a postseason MRI exam proved Rogers is healthy, that he keeps himself in great shape and that the Tigers were 33-14 in his starts the past two seasons, postseason included. Meanwhile, the Red Sox were 35-24 when Schilling started and Maddux's teams were 36-32 in his starts.
There are more numbers and more arguments, but you have probably already heard more than enough. Either you think Rogers is worth what Maddux and Schilling got, or you don't.
Meanwhile, the Tigers will tell you they have other options to fill out their rotation, either through free agency or via a trade. They won't tell you that the free-agent market for starting pitchers is one of the worst ever and figures to be horribly overpriced, and that while quite a few decent pitchers are available in trade, the teams holding them also are looking to hold somebody up.
Like it or not, their options are limited.
Boras will tell you Rogers has other options. He won't name the teams, but Seattle is desperate to find a pitcher, and so is Philadelphia. Texas needs pitching, too, and while Rogers didn't leave there on the best of terms, he has gone back to the Rangers twice before.
Boras did say Tuesday he believes other teams would offer Rogers a two-year contract, although it is not clear why a pitcher who just two weeks ago decided against immediate retirement would now want to commit for two more years. In any case, Boras said Rogers was making a concession to the Tigers by his willingness to negotiate a one-year deal with them, while talking two years with other teams.
Rogers was serious when he said he really wanted to stay in Detroit. He meant it (at least at the time) when he said he would rather retire than pitch somewhere else.
Rogers also said then that he expected the Tigers to be fair "with their offer. The Tigers assured us at the time that they would be fair."
As Dombrowski said Tuesday: "I guess fairness is all in the eye of the beholder."
And fairness, in baseball negotiations, is all about the money.

I'd like to meet the GM that will give Kenny a 2 year deal and over 10 million per...for Boras to think Kenny Rogers deserves Curt Schilling-like money, he's on drugs...

I love Kenny to death for what he did here, but if he's going to ask for that much money, good riddance...

Yeah... After the injury-ridden year last year, I don't see how his market value could be so high...

Yeah... After the injury-ridden year last year, I don't see how his market value could be so high...


It really isn't that high, Boras is trying to present as it being that high, he's a good minipulator...

I'll agree w/ the fact that even despite the injuries of last year, Kenny has earned maybe a little extra on that contract just based on his '06 and his leadership for the young pitchers, but come on...

The Tigers need to stop overpaying.

no loyalty in sports anymore all about the $$$$$$$$$$

Sad

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/111507dnsporangersbriefs.2bc218e.html


Texas Rangers need apology to sign Rogers

Hicks says pitcher's 'unfinished business' must be resolved

02:25 AM CST on Thursday, November 15, 2007

By EVAN GRANT / The Dallas Morning News
egrant@dallasnews.com

Like his general manager did a day earlier,Texas Rangers owner Tom Hicks said Wednesday that under "certain circumstances," he would welcome a fourth marriage between the club and free agent pitcher Kenny Rogers.

Hicks also made clear what those "certain circumstances" would entail: Some degree of a public apology from Rogers for the way his last tour with the Rangers ended in 2005.

"He's got to take care of some unfinished business," Hicks said. "He's got to apologize."

The end of Rogers' relationship with the Rangers has been well documented.

A tumultuous season started with unsubstantiated reports Rogers threatened to retire if not given a contract extension. Rogers denied making such threats, but the relationship between he and team management grew colder as the season wore on.

After one unidentified club official suggested in a report that Rogers was "ducking" a start after injuring his hand, Rogers ended up in a confrontation in which he shoved a camera off a TV cameraman's shoulder, knocking him to the ground.

In the aftermath, Rogers issued a statement that included apologies to fans, but did not include the organization. He privately apologized to cameraman Larry Rodriguez.

Rogers, 43, is likely to seek a one-year deal worth approximately $10 million. He just finished a two-year, $16 million deal with Detroit. He is also talking with the Tigers about possibly returning there.

Kenny Rogers? More like Kenedict Arnold lolrofl amirite?

I love Kenny, but $10 Mil to a guy that may or may not be able to pitch all season is a bit excessive. I say focus elsewhere, and maybe we can catch another break and have someone else step it up this year.

We're okay with Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson... but one of Miller or Bazardo needs to step up. Then it's up to Kenny or a free agent.

I think I'd pass as well.

Especially if he's going to play hardball (contract-wise).

The awareness of the pitching market by the posters on this board never ceases to amaze me.

I know, we don't really have any other options. What I don't understand is why we take the hard line with Kenny (only 8 mil) and give Jones 7 mil. If anything, give Kenny 10 mil and Jones 4-5 mil. I don't understand DD on this one at all.

I just think he's going to break down again.

Too risky to tie up $10m+ in a guy that may spend the majority of the season on the DL, IMO.

There is no risk in a one year deal though. Not unless the 10 mil stops us from getting a different FA SP. I have more faith in Kenny's arm than any of the FA options out there frankly.

Now, if DD is going to spend the 10 mil on A-Rod and roll the dice with young pitchers, you have something to consider. However, I think the alternative for that 8-10 mil is simply Silva or one of the other mediocre SP out there.

Or trading youth and taking on payroll in the form of a quality SP from another team with $ concerns.

Or trading youth and taking on payroll in the form of a quality SP from another team with $ concerns.

That's the risk of not signing Kenny. No good options besides trading a young arm for a slightly above average vet SP.

DD doesn't seem to mind making trades.

Use that organizational depth and go get a SP from the Pirates or the Nationals or any other low budget team that would be thrilled to take a chance on an unproven youngster or two in exchange for shaving several million off their payroll.

And you want that? Why not simply spend 10 mil on Kenny and keep our prospects.

Because I think Kenny is old and broken.

He's had his last good season, IMO.

Because I think Kenny is old and broken.

He's had his last good season, IMO.

So why make that trade now? Why not take a chance on him, and make the trade if he does break down?

I defenately don't want to invest 3-4 years in an average pitcher that could be out of the rotation in a year or two if our young guys progress.

So it's a good idea to spend $10m on Rogers knowing that he may be done, but you can feel okay about it because if he is in fact done, we can make a trade during the season and bring in another multi-million $ SP?

Do you think the payroll is unlimited?

The good thing about Rogers, is you'd only have to give him a 1 year deal, whereas if we were to go after Carlos Silva or Lohse, it'd have to be 4 or 5...

perhaps I'm viewing this thing incorrectly...

exactly. 10 mil means nothing for a year because there is no cap. It's not like the Pistons signing Grant Hill to a 1 year 10 mil deal. If Kenny bombs then you still have money to fix it. I don't think money is unlimited, but would you rather just take a chance on the kids, or have the vet and use the kids as a fall back? I'd rather see if Kenny can stay healthy than simply go to plan B to start out.

If Beckett was out there, or a quality FA pitcher, I'd say screw Kenny and make a run at another pitcher.

yeah, but this FA class is way to thin...guys like Kyle Lohse, Jason Jennings, and Carlos Silva is going to get a monster deal despite a mediocre season...I'd rather give a smaller deal to High Risk, High Reward guys like Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, or Kenny Rogers than lock up one of the other 3 for more years, and more money

I think trading for another team's #2 or #3 starter (possibly in the last year of his deal) is a better option than continuing to overpay, overpay, overpay aging arms.

Bringing in a guy at $5-8m allows you take that "extra' $2-5m and fill another need (via FA or trade) now, or better yet at the trade deadline.

I firmly believe that there is a budget in place and the funds are not never-ending.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Chris.

How much can we trade though? I mean we're starting to clean out our farm system here. That's the one thing about free agency - all you lose is money. I don't want to keep tossing away our future.

If you find a team that is desperate to trim payroll, they probably won't care a whole lot what they get in return, as long as it is cheap.

But we have nothing left to trade. We really need a couple young pitchers to become middle to back of the rotation guys in the next year or two. You can't put all your eggs in two baskets (Miller and Porcello). We need those other guys just in case we end up with the next Kerry Wood senario where our young P never gets healthy.

Plus, Pudge is here 1 year. We are going to have to find a catcher somewhere, and it might take a good prospect to get that. I agree with MoTown, we can't keep trading prospects or we become the Yankees with less money to work with.

And how is it overpaying when it's one year Glenn? Pay him 100 mil, I don't care. If it's one year then we can replace him with a better starter next year (if one is out there). It's Illitch's money, so it means nothing to me. Considering we already got a SS and LF, and resigned our closer, I highly doubt we add any more major pieces besides 1-2 starters (depending on Kenny and our young SP's). It's not like we were going to sign a 1B, but spent all our money on Kenny.

Hermy Guilty as charged.

After getting that out of the way...I'd rather pay 15-17 mil or more for a guy that is younger than give KR 10. But I'm not sure there is one avialable.

Kenny Rogers? More like Kenedict Arnold lolrofl amirite?
roflcopter n e one??

There isn't, Tahoe. This year's crop of pitchers leaves much to be desired. Kenny is about as good as we're going to get. I'm not saying there isn't anything better than him out there, but nothing we'll end up with. We're not going to go give big money and a long term deal to someone that's going to be our #3 or #4 pitcher for years to come. We already have our #1 and #2, and Robertson will be #3 or #4 (hopefully 4) and a young guy will be #5 and slowly work his way up. I just don't see us signing anyone to a big deal to be our #3 guy.

I agree with all the talk of not trading away all our prospects. A year ago we had a ton of prospects, a stacked farm system, but after just one year it doesn't seem all that stacked anymore, and we really didn't make all that many trades. If you keep trading away your young talent you just end up overspending on mediocre talent and going nowhere until you end up right back where we were 10 years ago. Dombrowski won't let us end up like that.

Thx Zek. good info and here is some more good info...



DETROIT -- In an unexpected twist to the offseason saga surrounding both free agent pitcher Kenny Rogers and agent Scott Boras, Rogers informed Major League teams on Friday afternoon that he has dismissed Boras and is now representing himself in contract negotiations, multiple baseball sources confirmed Friday afternoon.

Boras is looking like a fool this offseason.

KR says he expects to be in a Tiger uni next season.

So much for the apology to the Rangers.

So much for the apology to the Rangers.

LOL

That Boras is a dirtbag.

Have you guys already posted about this:

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071117/SPORTS02/711170379/1050/SPORTS

I can't tell you how much I laughed at this. How can you not love Rogers after this?

Boras fails.

New do-it-yourselfer Rogers asks Tigers for patience
Associated Press
Updated: November 20, 2007, 2:03 PM ET

DETROIT -- Kenny Rogers is representing himself in negotiations with the Detroit Tigers and hopes the team will be patient with him as he learns his new craft.

Rogers and Tigers president Dave Dombrowski had a talk Monday aimed at bringing the pitcher back for a third season in Detroit.

"I did speak with Dave just to let him know I need to get up to speed on my new job, so I need some time to do so," Rogers wrote Tuesday morning in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Agent Scott Boras had been representing Rogers, who made it clear throughout the year that if he chose to pitch again he wanted to do it in Detroit. The 43-year-old left-hander indicated last week that he still hoped to wear a Tigers uniform in 2008.

The team wants Rogers back, too.

"We have an interest in having Kenny pitch for the Tigers, and we had a conversation yesterday," Dombrowski said Tuesday. "I'll leave it at that."

If Rogers re-signs with Detroit, it might be the last significant move the club makes in what already has been a busy offseason.

Shortly after the season, the Tigers exercised their option on catcher Ivan Rodriguez's contract. Then they traded for shortstop Edgar Renteria and outfielder Jacque Jones and re-signed closer Todd Jones.

Rogers was 3-4 with a 4.43 ERA in an injury-shortened season for the Tigers after helping them reach the 2006 World Series.

He was limited to 11 starts after having surgery before the season to remove a blood clot from his left shoulder and repair arteries. He went back on the disabled list later in the year with inflammation in his elbow.

For the first time since 2001, he did not win at least 13 games.

The Tigers gave Rogers a $16 million, two-year contract before the 2006 season. He put together a third straight season with an All-Star appearance and added a Gold Glove award, helping the Tigers reach the World Series for the first time since 1984.

Over 19 seasons, Rogers is 210-143 with a 4.43 ERA. He is a four-time All-Star and five-time Gold Glove winner.

Gotta love Kenny man...I pray he can stay healthy next season...

Gotta love Kenny man...I pray he can stay healthy next season...

You ain't kidding.

Only 11 starts last year, that's about a million bucks each.

Either way, I'd love to have him back. Even just for the leadership he brings to the young guys. What do you guys think of him moving into a bullpen coach type position for us at retirement in a year or two?