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Glenn
11-04-2007, 07:01 AM
A clash of the unbeatens.

I like these young Hawks, but not tonight.


Atlanta (1-0) at Detroit (2-0)

By KATE HEDLIN, STATS Writer

Thanks to a balanced offense, the Detroit Pistons have cruised to wins in their first two games of the season -- even without Richard Hamilton.

They hope to have Hamilton back for their home opener against the Atlanta Hawks on Sunday as they try to start 3-0 for the second time in three years.

Detroit, which was 26-15 at the Palace of Auburn Hills last year after finishing with the league's best home record (37-4) the previous season, opens the year by playing eight of its first 10 games on the road.

The Pistons' first road trip was a major success. They beat the Miami Heat 91-80 on Thursday and blew out the Orlando Magic on Friday, 116-92. Detroit shot 58.9 percent from the field against the Magic and had six players score in double figures.

"It was a good one for us," said Chauncey Billups, who had 18 points, six rebounds and seven assists. "We came into the game focused on what we had to do. We had a great game plan and just executed. Everyone executed and came up big."

Hamilton, who averaged a team-high 19.8 points per game last season, has missed both of the Pistons' first two games because of personal reasons. Arron Afflalo, Detroit's top pick in June, started both games in his place, and had eight points on Friday.

The rookie is looking forward to Hamilton's return, although his playing time will likely get reduced.

"When Rip gets back it will add even more energy to the team," Afflalo said. "It is going to be good for us."

While the Pistons wait for Hamilton to come back, they've received solid production from their bench to make up for his absence. On Friday, their reserves outscored Orlando's 45-17, led by 19 points from Flip Murray.

"Our bench is going to be a really, really huge thing for us," said Billups. "They are coming in and playing very aggressive. They are hungry -- you could just look and see it."

The Pistons won two of three against the Hawks last season, including both games in Detroit. Atlanta has lost five straight at the Palace and 12 of its last 14 trips there since the 2000-01 season.

The Hawks, who open the season by facing four of last year's playoff teams, began it with a 101-94 home victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Friday. It was the first time the struggling Hawks have opened with a win since the 1998-99 season -- also the last time they made the playoffs.

Joe Johnson had 28 points and seven rebounds while Josh Smith added 18 points and 11 boards. After Atlanta blew a 16-point lead, the Hawks outscored Dallas 11-4 in the final three minutes for the win.

"We played well down the stretch," Johnson said. "They missed a few shots, we were able to secure the ball, come down and create offense. ... We're going to keep playing hard, doing whatever it takes to get wins."

The Hawks, who are missing centers Zaza Pachulia (left knee) and Lorenzen Wright (foot), still outrebounded the Mavs 52-38.

"I thought tonight our guys came out very hungry and aggressive from a defensive standpoint," coach Mike Woodson said. "It seemed like everything we worked on in camp, it kind of rolled over to our game tonight. It was nice to see."


Pistons vs. Hawks Gameday

:langlois:
by Keith Langlois

TV: FSN Detroit HD | Radio: WDFN 1130 AM - The Fan

Last Meeting: Atlanta won 99-93 (January 12, 2007)

The skinny: It’ll be a battle of first-place titans at The Palace when Atlanta … OK, it’s a little early for that. But the Hawks did look pretty impressive in beating Dallas on Friday night in their opener. While not many are picking the Hawks to challenge for the playoffs this year, most think the nucleus of a playoff team is already in place with Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, Shelden Williams and rookies Al Horford and Acie Law on board and a third-year coach, ex-Pistons assistant Mike Woodson, offering some much-needed stability. Anthony Johnson opened the season as the nominal starting point guard, but he’s really just job sharing with Tyronn Lue – who actually played the most minutes and had the strongest game in the opener – until Law, drafted four spots ahead of Rodney Stuckey in June’s draft, is ready to take over.

What to watch: New daddy Rip Hamilton, who was excused from the wildly successful 2-0 road swing through Florida to attend to the birth of son Richard Clay Hamilton II, is expected back and he’ll be welcomed with open arms. The Pistons got away without overtaxing Tayshaun Prince and Chauncey Billups in Friday’s win after having to extend them the night before in Miami, but a steady diet of 40-plus minutes runs counter to this season’s blueprint. Flip Murray and Jarvis Hayes were terrific in Friday’s win and Arron Afflalo was solid, but the perimeter could use one more healthy body as it awaits Stuckey’s return from a broken left hand. It’ll be interesting to see how or if the frontcourt rotation changes against Atlanta – the Hawks played without a true center against Dallas – after more than holding its own against Shaquille O’Neal and Dwight Howard on consecutive nights.

Glenn
11-04-2007, 07:07 AM
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Cross
11-04-2007, 09:07 AM
We should get the win. This team has no real bigman sheed can't dominate. Zaza who? Al horford is still young as fuck so no worries there.

The team's starting point guard is Anthony Johnson!!!

i say 98-83 we cruiseee

Kstat
11-04-2007, 09:21 AM
Atlanta is a playoff team this year. Al Horford changes them completely as Dallas found out.

defrocked
11-04-2007, 10:01 AM
Pistons 102, Hawks 89

Timone
11-04-2007, 10:07 AM
The Hawks aren't a playoff team and could be tough, but they aren't the Bobcats, so I think the Pistons win.

metr0man
11-04-2007, 10:17 AM
The hawks are looking pretty good.. but considering how young they are, we *SHOULD* eat them for breakfast, you know the whole "show them how veterans play" thing, like how we always own Orlando. should.

b-diddy
11-04-2007, 11:21 AM
i suspect hawks get mid to low 30's in wins this year, which my be playoffs, depending on how crappy the east is.

Matt
11-04-2007, 11:23 AM
http://www.educationreformbooks.net/images/NoContestT.jpg

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-04-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm goin...and I can't wait!

Hawks could be that "fun team to watch, but has no shot at a playoff birth" team

Timone
11-04-2007, 07:42 PM
"Bawitdaba" is one of the dumbest songs ever, yet I enjoy hearing it while watching that video package during player intros.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 07:46 PM
Why is Atlanta trying? Don't they know who they're playing? Don't they know the GD game is already in the W column for the Pistons?

Uncle Mxy
11-04-2007, 07:51 PM
Rip sure looks rusty out there... NOT!

Timone
11-04-2007, 07:51 PM
The Pistons finally got some hot cheerleaders?

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 07:52 PM
Damn, Tay isn't letting up any after that career night the other night.

Timone
11-04-2007, 07:54 PM
Get that shit outta there Childress.

Timone
11-04-2007, 07:55 PM
What in the fuck did Billups try doing there?

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 07:55 PM
Tay gave that up too early

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 07:56 PM
There was a fly on the backboard he was trying to splat.

Fool
11-04-2007, 07:56 PM
This is already a silly game, and yeah Tay screwed Chauncey on that break.

Timone
11-04-2007, 07:58 PM
Rooting for the Pistons is like rooting for America.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:01 PM
The bench should definately get some minutes tonight.

FLIP MURRAY FOR PREZ

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:01 PM
[/Glenn]

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:01 PM
Stop shooting, 'Sheed.

Glenn
11-04-2007, 08:02 PM
[/Glenn]


hey now

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:02 PM
AA
Flip
Hayes
MM
Nazr
is what I'm looking for.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:03 PM
SLEDGEHAMMER

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:03 PM
MM sighting...going to the hoop and finishing

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:03 PM
JASON MAXIELL!

Glenn
11-04-2007, 08:03 PM
Did anyone see Max make that backboard explode during the intro?

Hawt.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:04 PM
Why thank you Tahoe, yes I do.

and anyone else think it's a bummer that Shelden Williams is banging Candace Parker?

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:06 PM
Not really Timmy.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:07 PM
Dude, how am I the only one?

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:08 PM
I can't call mad max MM anymore cuz of tim beau's new handle

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:09 PM
Well, technically I'm TMM.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:10 PM
muchas gracias, that fixes that

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:10 PM
So Flip M gets how many points tonight? Mr Upanddown

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:10 PM
We might want to keep playing this game.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:10 PM
24-23, Hawks on a 9-0 run...this team's lack of a killer instinct really shows.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:11 PM
One starter on the floor.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:11 PM
Right on cue, 2 misses.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:11 PM
Nice job Landlady...err, landlord.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:15 PM
I think that might be our first point out of a timeout. Seriously.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:15 PM
With LB they'd ALWAYS score after a timeout, usually off a lob.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:16 PM
If I didn't love my daughter so much I'd offer her up to Maxiell.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:17 PM
then clearly you do not love Jason Maxiell.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:17 PM
LOL that's so bullshit. (the call on Maxiell)

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:18 PM
and the second quarter woes continue!

metr0man
11-04-2007, 08:19 PM
Their young guns outhustling ours... except for Mad Max of course, a beast as always.

Acie Law looks good out there. I was hoping (in vain) that he'd be available when our draft pick came up.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:19 PM
I had two daughters then I met Jason. I am now childless.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
If Flip Murray was the slightest bit consistent we wouldn't be having this problem.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Yeah GLENN.


jkdonthurtme

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:21 PM
wow @ all these piss poor shot selections.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:21 PM
BANG!

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:23 PM
Wow! Tyronn Lue is still in the league.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:24 PM
good call @ whoever it was that picked Josh Smith for DPOY.

Uncle Mxy
11-04-2007, 08:25 PM
I'd love to see Amir get some play.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:25 PM
That was a "I can't get embarrassed twice in one play" block by Smith

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:25 PM
Chauncey Billups shooting: a nice concept.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:26 PM
He should MXY, he played the other night and this one will be out of reach here shortly. :)

metr0man
11-04-2007, 08:26 PM
We need Stuckey. or someone to take over offensive flow when Billups goes out. flip murray's ok for some points in a hurry but he didnt do a good job running the offense, and the tay at point isn't a consistent solution imo

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:29 PM
I love that NBA commercial that's all "Where friends turn to enemies happens." and has Ben and Rasheed battling down low.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:31 PM
WTF make your freethrows.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:34 PM
How many blocks have there been in this game?

metr0man
11-04-2007, 08:34 PM
<3 for Maxiell.

I also like that the refs, for the most part, are letting them bump around down low.

Timone
11-04-2007, 08:34 PM
Are you trying to say Tim Donaghy didn't?

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:35 PM
EARL CURETON...YESSIR!

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:38 PM
Jason Maxiell

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 08:48 PM
This is the first time I've seen Earl Cureton since the last time I saw him.

Fool
11-04-2007, 08:57 PM
Lol @ Lue.

Fool
11-04-2007, 09:04 PM
Another timeout, another failed scoring chance.

Fool
11-04-2007, 09:10 PM
WTF was that from MaX? He doesn't have that shot.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:17 PM
We played good on the road and like dog poo so far at home.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:18 PM
AA picked up his dribble there and prolly shouldn't have. minor deal

Fool
11-04-2007, 09:20 PM
It'd be cool if we could hit a shot.

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:28 PM
ATL's Spartying it.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:29 PM
YMCA

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:36 PM
slipping away.

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:36 PM
nice flop by that hawk.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:37 PM
2 turnover in a row by flip

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:38 PM
Billups shooting: what a concept!

Fool
11-04-2007, 09:38 PM
nice.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:47 PM
Could we have a GVSU, Wolverine, Lion, Piston sweep on our hands?

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:52 PM
I believe so!

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:53 PM
nice shot.

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:54 PM
Could we have a GVSU, Wolverine, Lion, Piston sweep on our hands?


shut up!!

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:59 PM
did i fuggin jinx it?

Timone
11-04-2007, 09:59 PM
yes, you fuggin jinxed it.

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 09:59 PM
At least say a pass for chrissakes

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 10:00 PM
I see a Tech in Sheeds future

Timone
11-04-2007, 10:01 PM
rasheed will clank it, we will go to OT. <---guarantee

Timone
11-04-2007, 10:02 PM
did i fuggin jinx it?

you may not have!

Timone
11-04-2007, 10:03 PM
Could we have a GVSU, Wolverine, Lion, Piston sweep on our hands?


superb work my friend!

Tahoe
11-04-2007, 10:04 PM
What a weekend!

Matt
11-04-2007, 10:13 PM
Look out NBA:

Chauncey getting the foul called at the last second.

Pistons = 07/08 Champs

Matt
11-04-2007, 10:15 PM
but seriously, how HUGE is our bench right now.

Rip Hamilton fouls out....insert Jarvis Hayes for two big time baskets and an offensive rebound. not even mentioning Maxiell's superb game tonight.

something exciting is brewing with this team, gentlemen.

micknugget
11-04-2007, 10:16 PM
We had the crappy Flip Murray tonight. I also see a pattern of not passing the ball and simply locking into a play and forcing the shot. We really need to fix that. Max was a BEAST!

Black Dynamite
11-04-2007, 11:15 PM
We had the crappy Flip Murray tonight.
he was due. Flip Delfino at this point w/o the defense. :emo kid:

metr0man
11-05-2007, 12:32 AM
This is the sort of win that's very "ho-hum" for me. It's nice that we get +1 in the W column and not the L one, but overall doesn't evoke that positive a reaction. I'm not happy that we got out-rebounded and needed the ticky tack foul to win it (even if Josh smith leaping into Sheed and getting 3 FTs was BS also). We were up fairly comfortably down the stretch and should have D'd up Johnson better. As anyone who reads my posts in the Miami thread will know, I'm more concerned with things like defense and rebounding and playoff readiness than just wins, so on that front this was rather blah. but its so early in the season that even if they were playing the playoff-winning way they'd probably forget it anyways so may as well enjoy the win.

OTOH, Mad Max was fantastic and Jarvis Hayes was good too down the stretch. If these two can play well, and Stuckey plays the way Joe D hopes, then that would be a great bench trio right there.

With Rip back I see Tayshaun is back into "passive mode" which is too bad. I think we are much deadlier with him as a primary scoring option. He is a walking mismatch and push in enough (when he's aggressive) that he's not all reliant on jumpshots.

Laxation
11-05-2007, 02:29 AM
Anyone know why Amir didn't play?

I'm hoping it was because of his achilles...

Hermy
11-05-2007, 07:49 AM
We had the crappy Flip Murray tonight. I also see a pattern of not passing the ball and simply locking into a play and forcing the shot.
This is why we have the best TO/asst ratio in the league. No stupid passes or improv beyond the standard.

Big Swami
11-05-2007, 08:21 AM
This is why we have the best TO/asst ratio in the league. No stupid passes or improv beyond the standard.

Usually that vibe works very will for Flip Murray.

Tahoe
11-05-2007, 10:37 AM
Anyone know why Amir didn't play?

I'm hoping it was because of his achilles...

iirc, he isn't the rotation yet. He needs some more work. Too close of a game.

Timone
11-05-2007, 10:40 AM
I hate these 3 day layoffs...

Cross
11-06-2007, 03:45 AM
and it's only been one day

Wilfredo Ledezma
11-06-2007, 08:21 AM
I hate these 3 day layoffs...



yes way too long