Um, were beating the Spartans at the Breslin with 7 minutes to go.

Edit- It's on the Big 10 network....possible Ap State at hand?

Can't even find a box score on ESPN.com

Anybody got a link?

Thanks for the heads up.

GVSU up 3 with 2:45 left.

GV looks like they're starting to get little tight in their lower back, iykwim.

http://www.goasu.com/autoimage/th400_pyNWMJu.jpg

Nice try.

3 with 1:30. GVSU has missed consecutive WIDE open 3s.

That 3 looked good all the way.

62-59 GB 1:27 left

Glenn, why don't you order up BTN? Its good.

justkidding

Told ya...on the pucker factor. Can't inbound the ball.

Clown cars. Large elephants. Peanuts.

Who is gonna start the "Fire Izzo" thread?

score/time please

64-63 GVSU, 12.6 secs left.

Who is gonna start the "Fire Izzo" thread?

score/time please


HOLY FUCK!!!!

TO SPARTANS!!!!

GVSU BACK UP 1 WITH A FT COMING, 10 SECONDS!!!!

That TO was UofM's Missed X-point.

65-63, 8.4.

GV up 2

I hope the fine folks at Pontiac are watching.

8.4 left Sparty ball

LOL at a dude in a Michigan hat being there.

keep it fair, refs

no bailouts

Please no OT, I have to go to HS football game.

How did the clock go from 8.4 to 8.5 and now 8.7?

I went to the Melvindale game Tahoe...they won 42-7, which was cool, but walking home in the 35 degree weather is what sucked.

How did the clock go from 8.4 to 8.5 and now 8.7?

Par for the course.

I wonder if it is the same guy?

Foul on GVSU...

good call or bullshit?

SCAM!!!

I CALL SHENANAGANS!!!!

That was the SHITTIEST call I've ever seen in all my days

good call or bullshit?


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AWAY FROM A LOOSE BALL!

OT.

BAILED OUT!

it would seem that the fix is in

Maybe not, I dunno what they're doing with the clock...

MORE SHENANIGANS!!!

QUICK CLOCK!

hopefully the ball doesn't lie

It there is suddenly 4 minutes on the clock, something is up

Drew Nietzel fell on the guy and the guy he fell on was called for the foul.

Words of the announcer.

How funny would it be for GVSU to block a MSU player's attempt to win at the end?

72-71 Sparty.

Nietzel with a big 3, that might do it for Granny Valley.

HERM SMASH!

Maybe not, 75-73 now.

Tie!

WHEW! TIED AT 75. 20 SECONDS.

2OT! Which is more than I can say for Michigan.

DOUBLE OT!!

I usually don't watch college basketball, but GVSU just may be the team I choose to be a hanger onner of after this game.

4 pt GVSU lead, 1:49 left.

2 MIN LEFT

5 pt GVSU lead, 1:12 left and their ball!

INBOUND YOU FAGS!

REPEATED BULLSHIT BAILOUTS!

83-80 GVSU, foul on GVSU, come onnnnnnnn!

44.3 left

85-82 GVSU, 4.5 left!

4.5 LEFT, GVSU BY 3``~1@!22`

6.7 now? WTF?

IF THEY GET 3 FUCKING FTS HERE I WILL BREAK MY FUCKING TV!

HOW DO THEY GET 2.2 ADDED?

HOW DO THEY GET 2.2 ADDED?

THEY ASKED NICE.

GVSU win.

YEAH!!!!!


YEAH!!!!!


WHOOOOOOO!!!!!!

BURN ALL YOUR WOODEN SHOES IN THE STREETS KIDS!!!!

Hey, it's only an exhibition!

AW, FUCK.

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA @ MICHIGAN

APPALACHIAN STATE BABY

:dismissed:

Exhibition or not that was pretty sad. For all the talk of how MSU was a NC team (which they still might be) this was pathetic, no less at home.

whats funny is that it puts a damper into all those students for tomorrows game...

at least you won the frozen four...

Exhibition or not that was pretty sad. For all the talk of how MSU was a NC team (which they still might be) this was pathetic, no less at home.


THIS IS A MAN WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND LAKER PRIDE!

LOL@Tre.....Tre....Where are you?

Izzo's best team ever, clearly.

Izzo's best team ever, clearly.

No, the team that was beaten by Wright State was.

Yes MSU played like shit.

Does it really have any bearing on the season - No. Exhibition game where the frosh play tons of minutes = not legit.

Not how I wanted MSU to start the season, but don't make this out to be something it's not.

Appy St. kicked UM out of the NC picture. GVSU kicked MSU in the pants, but no real effect.

Division II Grand Valley State shocks No. 8 Spartans in double OT

Associated Press
Updated: November 3, 2007, 1:42 AM ET

EAST LANSING, Mich. -- Division II Grand Valley State stunned No. 8 Michigan State, the Big Ten favorite, 85-82 in two overtimes Friday night in an exhibition game.

Jason Jamerson had 19 points for the Lakers, while Justin Ringler had 16, including a three-point play at the end of regulation. Callistus Eziukwu of Grand Valley State had eight of his 15 points in the second overtime.

The Spartans shouldn't have been shocked at the loss since they trailed the Lakers for more than 38 minutes before escaping with a win last season. This time, Grand Valley controlled the game for most of its 50 minutes.

The Lakers, an Elite Eight team last March, rallied from a 65-63 deficit in the final 15 seconds of regulation and were down 75-71 in the last minute of the first overtime. Grand Valley State never trailed in the second overtime.

Chris Allen led Michigan State with 15 points, while fellow freshman Kalin Lucas had 12. Drew Neitzel, the preseason Big Ten Player of the Year, failed to score until a 3-pointer bounced in with 13:43 left in the second half. Neitzel finished with 12 points but was just 3-for-15 from the field.

The Lakers finished with a 44-41 rebounding edge and a 27-12 advantage from 3-point range.

The night began with a pep rally for the Michigan State football team on the eve of its matchup with archrival Michigan. Coach Mark Dantonio and co-captain Travis Key spoke to the sellout crowd before the coaches and players formed a tunnel to welcome the basketball team.

Copyright 2007

Please note that the UM fans have been nothing but respectful about this historic, tragic and embarrassing loss.

And we haven't been given enough credit, at all.

Not how I wanted MSU to start the season, but don't make this out to be something it's not.

Appy St. kicked UM out of the NC picture. GVSU kicked MSU in the pants, but no real effect.

Not that I'm trying to make this out to be a big deal, because it's not, but that's the difference between College Football and College Basketball. The two cannot be compared.

MSU can lose to GVSU during the regular season, and still win the NC. Michigan can't lose to anyone without giving up NC hopes. That's why I will always say the football National Championship is so much harder to attain.

Back to the subject at hand, MSU is fine. Michigan fans should not pretend this loss is as big as the App. State loss. It makes us look ignorant.

How many batteries does it take to beat MSU?

Michigan fans should not pretend this loss is as big as the App. State loss. It makes us look ignorant.

Cogent, but it's still fun as hell.

How many batteries does it take to beat MSU?

1AA

Agreed. You're more than welcome to make fun of certain individuals, however... and doing a good job at it I might add.

Rivals aren't supposed to show mercy!!

I couldn't come up with a joke with "division II" as the punchline.

Apparently, they don't write jokes for that low of a level.

Maybe because Michigan State is now the joke of the entire nation.

Maybe because Michigan State is now the joke of the entire nation.

The ESPN hosts were having fun with it, for sure.

They had the App St/GVSU losses side by side on the same screen.

I would've preferred if the game ended with a blocked shot.

Someone's gotta use their skillz to put a picture of Grand Valley State's players on that Sports Illustrated cover.

Maybe because Michigan State is now the joke of the entire nation.


it's all Goran Sutons fault

I bet Appalachian State would beat Grand Valley State.

http://www.goasu.com/autoimage/poC0iVD.jpg
(this is on their main page for App State Football BTW)

LOL @ Sparty BBall.

Instead of UPSETS I recall SHOCKS being used in game threads like this too.

Well, I think that this loss is definitely similar to UM losing to Appalachian State. However, I think this will serve as a fine wake up call for the team and I expect Izzo to make all the neccesary corrections. Also, although this certainly was an embarrassing loss, it was only an exhibition game and, thankfully, college basketball doesn`t operate within the same ridiculous parameters (one loss no NC) as college football. This team will be a damn tough out in the tournament.

Have your laughs now troglodytes. This team will be ready as hell come the Big Ten season and the blue and yellow houseworkers will not enjoy their time in East Lansing.

Evidently, Bielein took his band of chuckers down to Kent State for a private scrimmage and Kent State beat their ass three times. It is rumored Kent State beat the little blue and yellow pussies by double digits all three games.

So does last nights travesty make you wanna say the 'green and white pussies' from MSU?

Have your laughs now troglodytes. This team will be ready as hell come the Big Ten season and the blue and yellow houseworkers will not enjoy their time in East Lansing.

But they will today.

I hope.

So does last nights travesty make you wanna say the 'green and white pussies' from MSU?
In regards to last night I would say, the green and white over-confident, under-prepared players who learned a valuable lesson about not believing their own hype and that every team can beat them if they do not prepare, execute and play with intensity. So, no, I would not say the "green and white pussies" because, well, that moniker is all blue and yellow.

Originally Posted by bukdow
Evidently, Bielein took his band of chuckers down to Kent State for a private scrimmage and Kent State beat their ass three times. It is rumored Kent State beat the little blue and yellow pussies by double digits all three games.


Did you get that description of the kids on UofM basketball team in Harpers or the Smithsonian?

bukdow, I challenge you to a fight. Any time you want it, buddy.

bukdow, I challenge you to a fight. Any time you want it, buddy.
You do not upset me nearly enough for such a thing. However, the research you are doing on me is flattering. A little creepy, but flattering nonetheless.

Creepy? I'll show you creepy

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/gallery_photos/damien_omen666_gal.jpg
Me when I was about 10 or so.

The offer will remain on the table, bro. I like you, so I won't keep trying to get you to man up and accept...

Well, I think that this loss is definitely similar to UM losing to Appalachian State. However, I think this will serve as a fine wake up call for the team and I expect Izzo to make all the neccesary corrections. Also, although this certainly was an embarrassing loss, it was only an exhibition game and, thankfully, college basketball doesn`t operate within the same ridiculous parameters (one loss no NC) as college football. This team will be a damn tough out in the tournament.

Have your laughs now troglodytes. This team will be ready as hell come the Big Ten season and the blue and yellow houseworkers will not enjoy their time in East Lansing.

Too bad you ruined an otherwise good post with that last paragraph. For a moment there I thought you read enough of your intellect magazines to put together a solid post.

WHAT?
MSU fans who lol'd at Michigan now have their own crow to gack on.
Nothing is funnier than this, especially with MSU fans writing checks for this season.
We're not gonna hear from Tre until 2013.

in 2013 we'll probably hear of his unfortunate suicide 6 years prior.

there is a VERY small part of me that wants UM to lose just so tre's dumbass can come back here and think anyone wants to talk to him. remeber the move he pulled after MSU beat indiana? lol, i seriously think the kid just never got it.

I say we lure Tre back and jump him Billy Batts style.

Wel, I think that seals Tre's fate. He will now not appear on this board until MSU gets a bid to the NCAA basketball tournament.

they lost to the "Globies" in 2003. Mondays paper will have them 0-0. Sorry.

bump

Go bump the Michigan-Appalachian State game thread while you're at it, Glenn.

Its Sunday night.

WOW! I don't want to hear anything about this being an exhibition game either. This is a Division 1 "national title contender" at home vs. a DIVISION 2 opponent from the GLIAC. It's not like the GVSU starters beat up on State's jicks either. Neitzel and crew got major minutes and Mr. "Lights out" himself took the last shot and Sparty could not pull it out.

There's no way App. St. can ever be mentioned by a Sparty again without a GVSU slap to the face. PWNED!

Go bump the Michigan-Appalachian State game thread while you're at it, Glenn.

The App state loss would sting a lot more if they had beaten Oregon and App state ruined a perfect season.

However, if Michigan had beaten App State and still lost to Oregon, they'd be in the title hunt still (provided they beat Wisky and OSU).

That Apple St loss stings more and more the way the season is turning out.

Izzo kicks players out of locker room after Grand Valley loss

November 6, 2007
By SHANNON SHELTON
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Let’s take a short break from the tempest brewing in the Michigan State football program to review the basketball team’s slip-up against Grand Valley State last Friday.

MSU coach Tom Izzo spoke to the media on Monday evening about his team’s 85-82 double overtime exhibition loss to the Lakers and the upcoming exhibition game against Michigan Tech on Wednesday.

He reiterated that a combination of odd lineups – such as one where Drew Neitzel, Travis Walton and freshmen Kalin Lucas, Durrell Summers and Chris Allen were all on the floor at the same time in the last 15 seconds – and a failure to execute consistently resulted in the poor play on MSU’s part, although he complimented Grand Valley’s effort.

“Yeah, I probably experimented too much,” Izzo said.

After the loss, Izzo decided to temporarily kick the players out of their brand-new locker room. Members of the media got to see the Spartans’ new digs after the game and they look better than some NBA locker rooms, complete with comfortable couches, a high-tech television with a video-game system and a kitchen area.

“I just look at that as, you earn the right to have something that nice, and we didn’t earn the right,” Izzo said. “I just said that, make sure that everything including the toothbrushes are out of there.”

Over the last few days, players have dressed in the weight room, or in hallways. Izzo said he’ll decide when to let them back in based on their practice or game-time performance.

Although the game won’t show up on MSU’s record, the nature of the loss by a top-10 team to a Division II squad made the Spartans the brunt of national jokes. The game got prominent play on ESPN, and the broadcasters compared it to U-M’s loss in football to Appalachian State.

But Izzo appeared to take it all in stride, saying he'd continue to continue to tinker with lineups against Michigan Tech, but would work more on those combinations in practice. Getting better defensive play from the bigs will also be a focus, he said.

Good for Izzo. I hate MSU, but I always liked Izzo even though he pisses me off.

I'm surprised to hear Izzo was a lil upset, as it was explained over and over here on the board that this was 'just an exibition game'.

Right on Tahoe.

He should have baked them all a cake and served it with fruit punch in their nice comfy couches while playing Viva Pinata.

I'm surprised to hear Izzo was a lil upset, as it was explained over and over here on the board that this was 'just an exibition game'.

I think it was obvious to most anyone that he wasn't upset that they lost, it was how they lost. He was pissed that they didn't bring good effort. He WANTED the game to be close. I wouldn't say that he wanted them to lose, that would be a lie...but he wanted the game to be close. He wouldn't have invited GVSU's coach to attend MSU's practices prior to the game and he wouldn't have prevented his players from having any scouting reports of GVSU...if he didn't. He also wouldn't have called a TO with his team up 3 and the ball in Neitzel's hand as the clock was ticking down and a foul was inevitable if it was a normal game and a "W" was his primary goal.

The only differences btwn UM's loss to Kent State and MSU's loss to GVSU was MSU's loss was televised and UM's wasn't. Both games meant absolutely nothing though.

The only differences btwn UM's loss to Kent State and MSU's loss to GVSU was MSU's loss was televised and UM's wasn't. Both games meant absolutely nothing though.

I guess I could use the argument that Tre used in football though, the expectations of both teams are quite a bit different.

Well the other difference was that Kent State is a top contender for the MAC this year with returning all 5 of their starters back and have a strong program.

But keep on telling yourself that it is the same.

The only thing we know here is that Jack CAN talk Thai, Dina. Jack talk Thai very well.

Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb...so it's not like MSU's loss is that bad anymore...

then again Gardner-Webb was at least Div 1

Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb...so it's not like MSU's loss is that bad anymore...

Please stop trying to change the subject from Michigan losing to Appalachian St.

You can't be for real, Glenn. If Michigan lost to Appalachian State, man, that would really suck. You're lying.

App St didn't beat Michigan

Michigan beat Michigan

If KC Lopata was kicking instead of Jason Gingell, Michigan would've won the game...

I didnt know Lopata blocked for himself too.

Nice. He is going to be a great one.

App St didn't beat Michigan

Michigan beat Michigan

If KC Lopata was kicking instead of Jason Gingell, Michigan would've won the game...

Excuses.

Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb...so it's not like MSU's loss is that bad anymore...

then again Gardner-Webb was at least Div 1

yeah, at least this is a mid major school:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200711070292&prov=ap

Kentucky lost to Gardner-Webb...so it's not like MSU's loss is that bad anymore...

then again Gardner-Webb was at least Div 1

Point of note: Kentucky's game actually counted. IMO it's far FAR more embarrasing and unacceptable to lose a regular season game to a crappy Div 1 opponent than to lose an exhibition game to a very good (or very bad) Div 2 team.

One game you're experimenting with rotations and substitution patterns just trying to get ready for opening day and the other game you're pulling out all the stops just trying to get the W. Big diff IMO.

Random observation/question:

If this game was "meaningless" and "didn't count", then why did MSU drop several places in the national rankings?

Random observation/question:

If this game was "meaningless" and "didn't count", then why did MSU drop several places in the national rankings?

Because there are some national guys that are just as dumb and uninformed as some of the dipshits in here. Just fei, last night's game counted. MSU is 1-0, not 2-1. So someone please explain to me how MSU didn't look like a top 10 team last night.

Differences from the regular season and the exhibition season that show that Izzo was still experimenting with lineups and rotations and wasn't overly concerned with dominating the games.

Lucas starting over Walton
Dahlman, Herzog, Thornton and Ibok out of the regular rotation.

If Izzo really wanted to win those games, he would've made these changes for game 1 of the exhibition season. But he didn't...so what does that (along with everything else that he did in the exhibiton season) tell those with the gift of common sense?

Winning those games wasn't the primary goal and some of the wolverine posters in here have the basketball IQ of a pile of shit. :)

Good luck against Georgetown, Butler, Duke and UCLA.

I understand and appreciate all of that, but I think the reality is that all games count when you are being judged by an outside party (selection committee) even if they are "exhibitions".

I also disagree with the general notion (not yours, specifically Jack) that Izzo was indifferent or didn't care about that game. He's a competitor and unless you think that "locking the players out of the lockerroom" thing was a publicity stunt, that loss hurt.

Good luck against Georgetown (L), Butler (L), Duke(L) and UCLA(L).

Michigan doesn't need luck.

I can't believe this game is being debated like this.

The loss was and is and embarrassment.

He's a competitor and unless you think that "locking the players out of the lockerroom" thing was a publicity stunt, that loss hurt.

The lack of effort hurt (which was why they were kicked out of the locker room, and just so you know the idea to kick the team out of their new digs was actually the brainchild of the two captains, Walton and Neitzel...not Izzo).

They weren't expelled because they lost. The loss was somewhat understandable considering everything that was involved (ie. no gameplanning, limited playbook, injuries, lineup experimentation, etc...).

No they were jetisoned because they didn't bring acceptable offort for a MSU team.

The loss was somewhat understandable considering everything that was involved (ie. no gameplanning, limited playbook, injuries, lineup experimentation, etc...).



GVSU had the same issues. It was the begining of the season for both, it was an "exibition" game for both.

MSU got beat, plain and simple.

GVSU had the same issues. It was the begining of the season for both, it was an "exibition" game for both.

MSU got beat, plain and simple.

You may or may not know that what you just said was biased bullshit...but since it's the season of giving and thanks and all, I'll let you go on believing that you have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Nice post Tahoe:) You can tell you know your stuff! lol

I can't believe this loss is being discussed at all. It's basektball. You can lose thirty three percent of your games during a regualr season and make the playoffs (tournament). This loss maters about as much as the mite crawling on my asshair right now.
Which is about as much as basketball means as a sport.
The only thing that matters is football. College football. The people that like basketball only like it because their football team is a bunch of fags. People like that are called "Izzo fans".

So the great college football vs. college basketball debate begins!

You may or may not know that what you just said was biased bullshit...but since it's the season of giving and thanks and all, I'll let you go on believing that you have a clue as to what you're talking about.

Nice post Tahoe:) You can tell you know your stuff! lol

No problem homes. Anytime you need some insight, you let me know, I'll hook you up.

I think you forgot about Appalachian St, Tahoe.

GVSU would beat Appalachian State. I JUST KNOW IT!

Bump for Exhibition Season...........and in case Michigan loses to Michigan Tech tonight.

Exhibition season is over, isn't it? Tonight's game is regular season for UM, I thought.
Exhibition was for SVSU, a school I am NOT simply a Wal-Mart fan of.