For those of you who intend on voting republican, especially Rudy Giuliani, I suggest you make yourselves familiar with The Project for the New American Century and especially Norman Podhoretz, as he would be who Rudy would receive most of his foreign affairs advice.

Here is an article regarding fear, Iran, the neo-cons and war (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/op...th&oref=slogin). I suggest you read it and start taking seriously the ramifications of overly macho, dunderheaded stupidity that passes for "patriotism" these days.

Holy shit, bukdow posted outside of the NCAA forum!

That's it, fun's over. Everyone vacate, I'll delouse.

The NYTimes link is broken. Links on this bulletin board (and many others) that are too long get abbreviated with "..." as they are displayed, so you don't have some really long link break the formatting. If you click on the link, you get to it just fine. If you try and cut and paste the link as you see it, you will cut and paste broken links that no one can get to. What you probably wanted was:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/opinion/29krugman.html

It looks about the same, but when you click it, you get to the right place.

The NYTimes link is broken. Links on this bulletin board (and many others) that are too long get abbreviated with "..." as they are displayed, so you don't have some really long link break the formatting. If you click on the link, you get to it just fine. If you try and cut and paste the link as you see it, you will cut and paste broken links that no one can get to. What you probably wanted was:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/opinion/29krugman.html

It looks about the same, but when you click it, you get to the right place.
Thank you for the clarification. I hope you read the article.

Hey, that was a good article!

Thanks for enlightening us all, it's nice to finally see what you really look like, Paul.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/04/02/opinion/ts-krugman-190.jpg

Hey everyone, I read the Times and that proves that I'm smarter than you

I think we all should know by now why bukdow is smarter than us.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

uh, ok.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

I don't read. (irony?)

We be gettin an edumacation in this thread!

Weeeeeee

(and again, UM fans are arrogant?)

uh, ok.

And you are clearly not bukdow.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

Jesus Christ, dude.

uh, ok.
Tahoe, do you even have a clue who Norman Podhoetz is, let alone the PNAC? You don`t even know what it is you support. They provide you with titillating rhetoric and you are like a carp on a corn kernel.

If you want to actually understand rather than just being another braying mule wearing red, white and blue leg-warmers, let me know.

And you are clearly not bukdow.

And I thank you for that.

I was kind of hoping to get Budkow to post his 12 step program for one to become an elite intellectual.

I believe that god has created the perfect message board troll.

And it is bukdow.

Tahoe, do you even have a clue who Norman Podhoetz is, let alone the PNAC? You don`t even know what it is you support. They provide you with titillating rhetoric and you are like a carp on a corn kernel.

If you want to actually understand rather than just being another braying mule wearing red, white and blue leg-warmers, let me know.

Uh, ok.

a carp on a corn kernel

Sometimes I think I understand what bukdow is talking about, and sometimes I don't!

:confused:

Uh, ok.
Very typical answer from the far too prevalent weak-minded neo-American. The next time you want to blame somebody for the downfall of America, you can skip over the terrorists, the Arabs, gays, etc. and just look in the mirror. It is the lazy-minded, consumption addicted, myopic "citizens" like yourself that are entirely to blame.

Can you at least articulate why you are voting for Giulianni?

I've found somebody who is actually smart enough to understand what bukdow talks about!

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Very typical answer from the far too prevalent weak-minded neo-American. The next time you want to blame somebody for the downfall of America, you can skip over the terrorists, the Arabs, gays, etc. and just look in the mirror. It is the lazy-minded, consumption addicted, myopic "citizens" like yourself that are entirely to blame.

Can you at least articulate why you are voting for Giulianni?

ROTFLMAO

Did mommy give you your bottle this morning and forget to warm up the milk? You seem uneasy.

If this board did not have bukdow, Cup Chicks would've killed it off for sure.

ROTFLMAO

Did mommy give you your bottle this morning and forget to warm up the milk? You seem uneasy.
Your attempts at side stepping my questions with puerile personal attacks just supports the notion that you are utterly clueless. The fact is you can`t articulate why you are voting for Giulianni, except that he is "America`s mayor" and you still get a John Wayne-sized lump in your throat when you think of "9/11", you have no fucking idea who Norman Podhoretz is nor what the PNAC is. Well done. You are yet another nail in this country`s coffin.

bukdow 4 prez

Your attempts at side stepping my questions with puerile personal attacks just supports the notion that you are utterly clueless. The fact is you can`t articulate why you are voting for Giulianni, except that he is "America`s mayor" and you still get a John Wayne-sized lump in your throat when you think of "9/11", you have no fucking idea who Norman Podhoretz is nor what the PNAC is. Well done. You are yet another nail in this country`s coffin.

uh, ok.

FYI I wouldn't discuss politics or how much 1+1 equals with you. But your posts certainly do bring me lots of laughter.

Your attempts at side stepping my questions with puerile personal attacks just supports the notion that you are utterly clueless. The fact is you can`t articulate why you are voting for Giulianni, except that he is "America`s mayor" and you still get a John Wayne-sized lump in your throat when you think of "9/11", you have no fucking idea who Norman Podhoretz is nor what the PNAC is. Well done. You are yet another nail in this country`s coffin.

I really think you're not at your best this morning. It's OK. Next time, make sure you stretch. You know, limber up a little before you try to bring the heat. Have you eaten? I always recommend a healthy meal before trolling.

If you need inspiration, I strongly recommend a quick look around adequacy.org (http://goatse.ca) to get you pumped up. Come on man, I know you can do better than this.

However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.
"you people" -- what a lovely generalization.


Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.
I'd tell you that there's at least one person here who read Harper's before they had a populist index of stats and numbers, but that'd seriously fuck with my rep as a boorish thuggish knuckle-dragging member of the anti-intelligentsia.

I was kind of hoping to get Budkow to post his 12 step program for one to become an effete intellectual.
Fixed.

I do suggest you stop even attempting to debate with bukdow, Mxy. He has two degrees from MSU and he's not affraid to use them.

I'm not really attempting to 'debate' anything. I'm just amused. I don't hang out on the NCAA boards much, so this is my first real exposure to buttcow.

FYI Mxy, it's buttplow.

and yes, I am actually proud to be the one who first coined that.

Well, the article and the first 6 posts on here were pretty good. After that, the thread went downhill.

Do you know who I am? I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Fixed.

His wife's hot too, gee. Don't forget that.

WTF Chris, the Official Thread Sheriif of WTF Detroit!

http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/29/colby.2pm/sheriff.lg.jpg

Well, the article and the first 6 posts on here were pretty good. After that, the thread went downhill.
I'm bored with talk of neocons. Their big ideas have blown up in the face of the American people. Either people will recognize that and act accordingly, or they don't. If they don't, bringing up The New American Century for yet another time won't be productive. The neocons bluster to cover their failure goes "our foreign policy isn't working because we're not doing enough of it", which xlates simply to "I'd like a pony.".

I am somewhat amused by the mention of the intellectual elite, as they're the ones who have proven to be the most compromised by neocon spewage. I'm just glad that I'm a functional illiterate, so I don't have to be allied with such dunderheads.

Axis and Allies also makes bukdow the CLASS of this board


My friends and I have played for years and have developed some new strategies. If anyone else plays I am always interested in hearing new strategies and tactics.

It's a known fact that high intellects have difficulty relating most folks (you people) ... become reclusive and comit suicide at a higher rate...
Take my advice... drop your pants and slide on the ice.
It's time for some Old Milwakees best and some pretzels... the goal for this evening is to get wifey to pull on the finger... this always leads to animal sex :^)

It's a known fact that high intellects have difficulty relating most folks (you people) ... become reclusive and comit suicide at a higher rate...
Take my advice... drop your pants and slide on the ice.
It's time for some Old Milwakees best and some pretzels... the goal for this evening is to get wifey to pull on the finger... this always leads to animal sex :^)

lol. wtf.

It's a known fact that high intellects have difficulty relating most folks (you people) ... become reclusive and comit suicide at a higher rate...
Take my advice... drop your pants and slide on the ice.
It's time for some Old Milwakees best and some pretzels... the goal for this evening is to get wifey to pull on the finger... this always leads to animal sex :^)
Totally, dude. Wait, what?

I am reclusive but not highly intellectual. After all...

Why is there such a negative view of Republicans on this board? Don't tell me that George W. Bush and Neocons has blinded you from seeing possible potential in the party.

HEY BUKDOW U DONT LIKE DIS COUNTRY U CAN LEAVE

When you 'are' budkow, you don't really live in a country. You exist in a dimension of ones self.

Laws hath no consequences on me.

When you 'are' budkow, you don't really live in a country. You exist in a dimension of ones self.

Laws hath no consequences on me.
He probably uses a stolen laptop in various wireless cafe's and has no job. That way he's not accountable to anyone, including the IRS. He watches MSU games on the TV's at best buy and hides in the bedding department at Macy's until they close every night

Why is there such a negative view of Republicans on this board? Don't tell me that George W. Bush and Neocons has blinded you from seeing possible potential in the party.

YOU may find the "potential" to return this country to the good ol' pre civil war days socially, politically, and morally appealing, but most who even resemble a human being don't.

Why is there such a negative view of Republicans on this board? Don't tell me that George W. Bush and Neocons has blinded you from seeing possible potential in the party.

Oh no, I agree! There's so much more to the GOP than just Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. There's Alberto Gonzales, (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7IBvZlRqOTw) Tom Delay, (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1020051delay1.html) Larry Craig, (http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/08/28/craig/) Ted Stevens, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201040.html) Mark Foley, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley_Scandal) Alan Keyes, (http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/002248.php) John Roberts, (http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/John_G._Roberts_Jr.#Civil_Rights_and_Liberties) Dennis Hastert, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/16/AR2006011600997.html) James Sensenbrenner, (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/11/politics/11patriot.html?_r=1&n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/People/S/Sensenbrenner,%20F.%20James&oref=slogin) Don Young, (http://www.beyonddelay.org/node/305) Tom Tancredo, (http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/17294-report-tom-tancredo-will-not-run-again-in-2008-updated) Richard Pombo, (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Pombo#Controversy) Curt Weldon, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/17/AR2006101701560.html) Marilyn Musgrave, (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/12054520/the_10_worst_congressmen/10) Conrad Burns, (http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/47/17830) Douglas Feith, (http://www.nndb.com/people/100/000047956/) do you want me to go on?

Oops, sorry, forgot Bob Ney. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/13/AR2006101300169.html)

^that looks like it took effort

not bad for a Friday

No no no, you gotta read some of them. Especially the one on Douglas Feith, that shit is hilarious.

Described by General Tommy Franks as either "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet" (according to Franks' autobiography) or "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the Earth" (according to Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack)

I lol'ed.

lol'd squared

I think I only laughed not at what I read, but at that pic of him after I read it.

I laughed while looking at the picture and while reading those quotes and while imagining both of those guys saying that about him and while imagining his face when he learned that both of those guys said that about him.






read that 5 times, fast

You rarely hear about someone in government being described as just plain dumb.

YOU may find the "potential" to return this country to the good ol' pre civil war days socially, politically, and morally appealing, but most who even resemble a human being don't.

I find your remark offensive and historically inaccurate. I advise that you go back to school or read up on the formation of the Democrat and Republican parties. Then you will realize that to do what you suggested is to follow the ideology of Southern Democrats and white racism. Are you a racist Zip?


Oh no, I agree! There's so much more to the GOP than just Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. There's Alberto Gonzales, Tom Delay, Larry Craig, Ted Stevens, Mark Foley, Alan Keyes, John Roberts, Dennis Hastert, James Sensenbrenner, Don Young, Tom Tancredo, Richard Pombo, Curt Weldon, Marilyn Musgrave, Conrad Burns, Douglas Feith, do you want me to go on?

Oops, sorry, forgot Bob Ney.

I do admit that the new republican party is not the party I like, it is better than this group:

Eliot Splitzer, Senator Blanco (D-Louisiana) Nancy Pelosi,

Here are some more:

Harry Reid, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Blanche Lincoln
Richard Durbin Kent Conrad Bob Menendez
Charles Schumer Christopher Dodd Barbara Mikulski
Patty Murray Byron Dorgan Bill Nelson
Daniel Akaka, Dianne Feinstein, Barack Obama
Max Baucus Tom Harkin Jack Reed
Joseph Biden Daniel Inouye Jay Rockefeller
Barbara Boxer Edward M. Kennedy Ken Salazar
Sherrod Brown John Kerry Bernie Sanders
Robert Byrd Amy Klobuchar Debbie Stabenow
Benjamin Cardin Mary Landrieu Jon Tester
Tom Carper Frank Lautenberg Jim Webb
Bob Casey Patrick Leahy Sheldon Whitehouse
Carl Levin Ron Wyden

that list comes from here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Harry-Reid-Rush-Limbaugh-Smear-Letter_W0QQitemZ260170172469QQcategoryZ4105QQcmdZV iewItem

That constitutes just a small fraction of the Democrat party. Not to mention, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Lyndon B. Johnson as bold stars of the South. Would you like me to continue?

Honestly, a lot of those people have a lot to take pride in. There aren't that many people on that list to be ashamed of. What's so bad about Eliot Spitzer? Jon Tester? Sheldon Whitehouse? Carl Levin?

Also, "Democrat Party" pretty much tells me where you're coming from, which I have to say is a place of total Fox-News TPM bullshit.

Why is there such a negative view of Republicans on this board? Don't tell me that George W. Bush and Neocons has blinded you from seeing possible potential in the party.
What potential is that?

As near as I can tell, the Dems are too bought and disjointed to do damage (or do much good), while the Rethugs actively fuck things up. I don't see much collective positive potential with either party.

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bukdow, how much is Vince McMahon paying you to play the role of internet heel?

(P.S. how is this still in this forum? lol)

Honestly, a lot of those people have a lot to take pride in. There aren't that many people on that list to be ashamed of. What's so bad about Eliot Spitzer? Jon Tester? Sheldon Whitehouse? Carl Levin?

Also, "Democrat Party" pretty much tells me where you're coming from, which I have to say is a place of total Fox-News TPM bullshit.

Eliot Splitzer is the NY governor who is handing out Driver Licenses to illegals, I have a problem with that. The rest are attached to Harry Reid, that devious one who tried to smear Rush Limbaugh. By pressuring the Clearwater channel corporation, you remember don’t you?

And the path you took, Washington Post, you tube and wikipedia, the smoking gun. All synonymous with left wing inclinations means you different opposite views and I understand that.


What potential is that?

As near as I can tell, the Dems are too bought and disjointed to do damage (or do much good), while the Rethugs actively fuck things up. I don't see much collective positive potential with either party.

Possible potential Mxy? 2008 is going to a lose-lose for everybody because no candidate is better than mediocre. I’m looking towards Ron Paul as my candidate and the candidate with most potential out of all Republican candidates but truth be told, if Colin Powell had thrown his hat in I would vote for him.

What potential is that?

As near as I can tell, the Dems are too bought and disjointed to do damage (or do much good), while the Rethugs actively fuck things up. I don't see much collective positive potential with either party.
Seconded.

Ron Paul?
Now I know you are a complete idiot. Well, I know more than I knew before.

bukdow, when are we gonna engage in fisticuffs?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/John_L_Sullivan.jpg

There's no way you're gonna turn down two challenges to a fight, is there?

bukdow will show up if this can be the way you do it:

http://maxmagnusnorman.com/Art/M/self_wrestling_400x400.JPG

Now I've gotta go wipe off my monitor...


...because I just spit my drink out all over it, sickos!

Ron Paul?
Now I know you are a complete idiot. Well, I know more than I knew before.

Coming from the man who has trouble answering me if he is a racist or not; speaks volumes to me. But please tell me what you have against Ron Paul Zip?

http://unitedpeninsulas.org/db4/00315/unitedpeninsulas.org/_uimages/RonPaulForPresident.jpg

"Errr we need to give the money back to the people...eerrruuhhhh...we need to get rid of taxes...errr...uhhh...we need to get rid of special interest groups...errr..uhhh...look at me, I'm George Washington!...errr...uhhhh"

"Mr Paul, the question was 'Is Global Warming something to be concerned about?'"

I suggest you read it and start taking seriously the ramifications of overly macho, dunderheaded stupidity that passes for "patriotism" these days.


this guy clearly does not root for Brett Favre.

Coming from the man who has trouble answering me if he is a racist or not; speaks volumes to me. But please tell me what you have against Ron Paul Zip?

Coming from the man who hasn't responded to my challenge to a physical altercation with emphasis on the use of fists to the other's face.

http://www.bushwatch.com/kickbackmtn.jpg

After seeing that and realizing that neither bukdow or Balkan are man enough to accept, I am now starting to question the extent of their relationship.

After seeing that and realizing that neither bukdow or Balkan are man enough to accept, I am now starting to question the extent of their relationship.

Think "Sybil".

http://unitedpeninsulas.org/db4/00315/unitedpeninsulas.org/_uimages/RonPaulForPresident.jpg

"Errr we need to give the money back to the people...eerrruuhhhh...we need to get rid of taxes...errr...uhhh...we need to get rid of special interest groups...errr..uhhh...look at me, I'm George Washington!...errr...uhhhh"

"Mr Paul, the question was 'Is Global Warming something to be concerned about?'"

All valid points indeed: more money back to the people, get rid of unconstitutional taxes, limit the power of special interests groups. I don't want to live in a welfare state Zip, do you?

if so then I take it this is your candidate?

http://www.zombietime.com/really_truly_hillary_gallery/Hillary15.jpg

hail Clinton!

You're just trying to take the focus away from MSU losing to GVSU.

Yup. We ALL know that the "welfare state" is bankrupting the country. I guess welfare and social programs make spending 2.4 TRILLION on the Iraq Quagmire look like chump change.

Had to bump this.

One of the best threads ever.

Described by General Tommy Franks as either "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet" (according to Franks' autobiography) or "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the Earth" (according to Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack)

http://www.vecip.com/images/Feith%20Douglas.jpg



Still one of the funniest things I've read.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

Had to bump this.

One of the best threads ever.

Thank you.

It's a shitty day at work... until I read this:



If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Pure comedy.

Do you know who I am? I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them


Once again, Denny McLain LOL.

It's a shitty day at work... until I read this:

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Pure comedy.

Isn't it. Pure comedy.

The guy's for real. I thought he was just fucking around, but nope.

Do you know who I am? I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal. People know me. I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany. I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them

That's actually the funniest thing in this thread.

I can't place where i heard that. It seems like a Bill Murray line from somewhere...part of it.

Anchorman

Budkow made some decent points. If he wasn't so arrogantly gargantuan(always great word) ego headed in the process, this thread would have had some decent merit. Unfortunately he tried to shit on everyone as underbelly sub human idiots not worthy of his self proclaimed high level intellect.

The Smithsonian Ron Burgundy correlation thing didn't help either.

Bump! ;)

After reading this thread, it is evident that Bukdow is superior to most of the people on this forum, and my favorite poster here.
If not for the whole Michigan State aspect, I would make love to him after spooning in a bubble bath.

That's the closest I've ever come to getting laid.

it's time for this again

If you think reading the New York Times is impressive you had better broaden your cultural/intellectual horizons. However, what does point to the fact that I am at least more intellectually curious than you people is the fact that I have a subscription to both Harper`s and Smithsonian, and actually read them.

Harper`s is definitely for the intellectual elite. Smithsonian is kind of like NPR and PBS wrapped up into a magazine.

I love this way more than I should.

I think geerussell's role in this thread has been vastly underappreciated, especially #34.

That's the stuff that legends are made of, right there.

Arguably one of the most important posts in WTF history, that #34.

-1 j/k