1130 reporting that the Tigers send Jair Jurrjens and prospect Hernandez to Atlanta for Edgar Renteria

FOR JURRJENS AND GORKYS ON 1270

I CALLED IT

uh oh....who got it in first, me or Wil Ledezma?

I F-ING CALLED IT

READ THE A-ROD POST I SAID TODAY GET RENTERIA...I AM LIKE A MINIATURE RANDY SMITH

uh oh....who got it in first, me or Wil Ledezma?


share the credit i listend to 1270 u did 1130

You gotta be kidding me. Gorkys and Jurrjens??

Gorkys is expendable b/c he's a CF...we are quite loaded at the position...


Jurrjens was a shocker...

I thought somebody like Trahern rather than Jair

Nice.

End of the ARod discussion it would seem.

There is still a weak link at 3B, however...

HEres his contract status/history

Edgar Renteria ss
4 years/$40M (2005-08), plus $11M 2009 club option

* acquired in trade 12/05
* Boston paying up to $11M of $29M remaining on Renteria's contract ($8M in salary 2006-08, plus $3M buyout if 2009 option is declined)
* signed as free agent 12/04
* $4M signing bonus (paid 2005-08)
* 05:$7M, 06:$8M, 07:$9M, 08:$9M, 09:$11M club option ($3M buyout) (partially deferred)
* 4 years/$20M (2000-03), plus 2004 & 2005 options
o 00:$2.25M, 01:$4.5M, 02:$6M, 03:$6.5M, 04:$6.5M club option($0.75M buyout) (escalator to $7.5M), 05:$6.5M club option (escalator to $7.5M)
o St. Louis voided 2005 option by delaying exercise of 2004 option
o $50,000 All Star award bonus
* agents: Jeffrey Lane, Barry Meister
* ML service: 10.143



so he's signed for 2 more years (1 if you decline the option, which is unlikely)

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_136722.jpg
and your new full time first baseman

If you want to remain excited by this trade, I suggest that you not look at Renteria's career American League stats.

Gave up way too much.

If you want to remain excited by this trade, I suggest that you not look at Renteria's career American League stats.
I would not be overly worried about that....he should be well protected in this lineup and should see a fair share of hitable pitches

While we do have a plethora of quality starting pitchers, I'm think we might have given up a little too much in Jair. I liked him a lot.

Best of luck to him in the ATL.

So Wil, you gonna change your name now to Edgar Renteria?

I like the deal, honestly.

An everyday SS that can get you 100 runs, 180+ hits and steal maybe 20 bases is probably worth what we gave up.

He'll probably drive in 100 runs in this lineup if he stays healthy.

Tigers acquire Edgar Renteria from Atlanta Braves


DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers announced today that the club has acquired shortstop Edgar Renteria from the Atlanta Braves in exchange for righthanded pitcher Jair Jurrjens and outfielder Gorkys Hernandez.

"We are excited to add an all-star caliber shortstop in Edgar Renteria to the Tigers organization," Tigers President, Chief Executive Officer and General Manager David Dombrowski said. "Edgar is a quality player, proven winner and tremendous leader that solidifies our infield."

Renteria batted .332 in 124 games with the Braves in 2007, scoring 87 runs and collecting 30 doubles, 12 home runs and 57 RBI. He tied for third in the National League with a .332 batting average.

A veteran of 12 seasons at the major league level with the Florida Marlins (1996-98), St. Louis Cardinals (1999-2004), Boston Red Sox (2005) and Braves (2006-07), Renteria has compiled a .291 batting average (1934-for-6637) in 1,722 games during his career. He has scored 1,021 runs during his major league career, while he has collected 370 doubles, 24 triples, 117 home runs, 762 RBI and 274 stolen bases.

"Edgar is a premier major league player that is a great fit for our club," Tigers Manager Jim Leyland said. "I have a great history with him and I'm looking forward to being reunited with him."

Renteria has been named to the National League's all-star squad five times during his career (1998, 2000, 2003-04, 2006). Additionally, he has won the Silver Slugger Award for National League shortstops three times (2000, 2002-03) and the Rawlings Gold Glove Award for league shortstops twice (2002-03).

Jurrjens started seven games for the Tigers in 2007, compiling a 3-1 record and 4.70 ERA (30.2IP/16ER). In 19 starts with Double A Erie last season, Jurrjens finished 7-5 with a 3.20 ERA (112.2IP/40ER).

Hernandez spent the entire 2007 season with Single A West Michigan and he batted .293 (141-for-481) with 84 runs scored, 25 doubles, five triples, four home runs, 50 RBI and 54 stolen bases in 124 games.

I think Jurrjens was pretty expendable. He performed pretty admirable in his limited action but he's never been considered much of a frontline prospect. He's a 4th/5th starter type at best.

Hernandez was probably our #2 prospect and the key to the deal. He's put up amazing numbers for a player so young but that's just it -he's young. He could take the next steps and become a star but each of those steps is a pretty decent gamble so it may have been a good move to trade him now, before some of the shine potentially came off him if he failed to improve.

if jim managed him, and we have experience dealing w/ the braves, i have faith that we know what we're doing. i liked jair too, but he wasnt an ace in the making. he had good, but not great stuff. who was the last pitcher we missed afterwards? see who just got cut by the cardinals?(maroth) i believe solid fielding and playing 1/2 the games in a pitcher's park helps overvalue our pitchers.

I'd say with our reasonably good number of pitchers/pitching prospects, this is probably a good deal. Now let's shore up the 'pen and perhaps 3B and we should be good to go.

Trading two of our top 4 prospects for a player on the wrong side of 30 with a career .750 OPS? Dumb move.

Trading two of our top 4 prospects for a player on the wrong side of 30 with a career .750 OPS? Dumb move.

I totally agree.

JJ doesn't float my boat. But maybe this is a lil bit of..."if we signed Pudge, we need to get it done in the next couple of years" mentality from the front office. Trade away some prospects to fill holes.

As long as they aren't after Miller, Maybin types, I'm ok with it.

This is a win now move. Renteria is still a good shortstop, and a former gold-glover. He is an upgrade at short, and Guillen is an upgrade at first. If JJ is the most we have to give to get a .330 hitter, then so be it. That's the beauty of the Tigers right now - their farm system is very good. What's the point of having a Porcello, a Miller, a Tata or a Bazardo if we can't trade any of them? We already have a good pitching staff. And we'll always be on the lookout for a free agent starter.

I hate to be cliche, but to get something you got to give up something.

JJ doesn't float my boat. But maybe this is a lil bit of..."if we signed Pudge, we need to get it done in the next couple of years" mentality from the front office. Trade away some prospects to fill holes.

As long as they aren't after Miller, Maybin types, I'm ok with it.

Exactly.

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8881/garbagest7.jpg

Damn.. Jair? That sucks. I don't mind giving up prospects for win-now players. But Renteria is worth a couple minor leaguers, not a rotation-ready young pitcher, AND a prospect.

I will feel better if we manage to upgrade 3B.

Damn.. Jair? That sucks. I don't mind giving up prospects for win-now players. But Renteria is worth a couple minor leaguers, not a rotation-ready young pitcher, AND a prospect.

I will feel better if we manage to upgrade 3B.

Ready for rotation doesn't mean he was going to be a success in the rotation.

I understand that JJ is considered expendable by most people. But given the fact that we have two openings in the starting rotation, trading away our most ML-ready pitching prospect seems extremely risky. I would've much rather seen us trade Tata, Vasquez or Trahern in his place.

If DD honestly felt like JJ was going to be an integral part of our starting rotation this year, the deal wouldn't have happened.

IMO, DD leveraged JJ's decent late year starts to be valuable enough to be a fairly big part of a trade.

I'll have to go back and look, but JJ had some stinkers too didn't he? They weren't all decent.

Ready for rotation doesn't mean he was going to be a success in the rotation.

Seemed to be more successful than Miller or any of the other fill-ins we had (Durbin, Bazardo, Miner, etc). With Kenny's unknown status, Bondo's mental issues, and Nate's overall mediocre-ness, the only truly steady guy we've got is Verlander. So trading away a young guy that was solid for us in relatively limited action is far from a no-brainer. I don't worry about the future (we've got plenty of young project arms), but Jair seemed to be the most ready of the non-rotation guys.

We'll see what happens the rest of the offseason though.

I'll have to go back and look, but JJ had some stinkers too didn't he? They weren't all decent.

Wasn't he a bit banged up at the end of the year?

We got a five time all-star that fills a need for two surplus prospects.

Tigers got over their 'Smoltz-itis' with Renteria deal

October 29, 2007
By DREW SHARP
FREE PRESS COLUMNIST

It has been 20 years, Detroit.

Time to get over your lingering John Smoltz-itis.

It’s an illness clinically defined as an acute affection for young baseball prospects. The primary symptoms are high anxiety and facial twitching followed by hyperventilation at the mere thought of trading a 20-year-old whose value is measured in hope.

There’s no bigger if in sports than the baseball prodigy. But if you monitored local reaction any time the Tigers part with youth, you’d think the Tigers have enough can’t-miss talent in their farm system to construct an annex to the Hall of Fame.

Monday should have excited Detroit. The Lions are 5-2, but the Tigers stole the spotlight.

Barely hours after Boston officially dropped the curtain on the 2007 season, the Tigers made a strong statement about their intentions for 2008 when they shipped two highly regarded prospects to Atlanta for shortstop Edgar Renteria.

The Tigers delivered a clear, irrefutable message that they’re committed to winning a World Series now. They’ve upgraded themselves defensively and offensively with a double switch that moves Carlos Guillen to first base. They’ve gained another .300 hitter, as well as another steadying, positive influence in the clubhouse. Renteria’s addition enables them to move Pudge Rodriguez lower in the lineup.

It’s a no-brainer deal for a team with a veteran core and a window of opportunity that has no more than two years of light remaining. But rather the reaction is that the Tigers parted with the second coming of Willie Mays in a 19-year-old blur of blazing speed in centerfielder Gorkys Hernandez and a potential No. 2 or 3 starter in Jair Jurrgens.

Hernandez was the key variable in this deal, but there’s logically no room for him when you consider that Curtis Granderson is better than anybody ever hoped, and Cameron Maybin, a natural centerfielder, is rated higher than Hernandez.

Opportunities like these are precisely why you develop farm-system depth. It’s why you pay whatever price for a top-drawer No. 1 draft pick like pitcher Rick Porcello when he drops into your lap late in the first round because those teams drafting ahead of you were intimidated by the signing price.

But it always comes back to Smoltz in this town.

It was 1987. The Tigers desperately needed a veteran arm for the pennant race. They targeted Atlanta’s Doyle Alexander, but the cost was Smoltz, at that time a 20-year-old Lansing native who represented the cream of the Tigers’ farm system.

Alexander went 9-0, providing the difference in the Tigers winning their last division championship.

Smoltz became one of the cornerstones of the Braves’ historic stretch of 14 consecutive National League East titles. And five years after he calls it quits, he’ll find a new home at Cooperstown.

But the problem was never that the Tigers traded Smoltz but rather that there wasn’t sufficient depth behind him to help offset his departure.

The Tigers can acquire a Gary Sheffield one year and an Edgar Renteria the next because they boast a plethora of young potential that piques the interest of other teams.

The love affair with the unknown is misdirected. You must adopt the “one-third principle.” If you have 10 highly regarded prospects, you’re lucky if one-third of them are good enough to regularly contribute on the parent club. Another one-third are busts who inevitably are out of baseball and the final one-third are used as trade bait to collect the veteran pieces necessary for consistent pennant contention.

Hernandez could be a stud, but the focus should be on what the Tigers are getting in return. Should Renteria become the missing piece to a World Series championship then they got more value out of Hernandez than they could have ever imagined when they signed him as an non-drafted free agent in 2005.

That should make everyone in town breathe easier about where the Tigers are headed.

I like the deal myself. I like Jair, but he didn't show me he'd be more than a 5th starter anyway...yet. Sometimes you never get there. We still had a surpluss of arms with 3 young pitchers in the rotation and Miller/Porcello and a host of other borderline majors canidates in the mix.

One of our biggest weaknesses has been the lack of production outside Maggs/Sheff/Guillen (and Granderson last year). There was a huge dropoff in the second half of our lineup last year. I'd really like to sign Lowell as well, and just go balls out for titles the next couple years, but it won't happen.

Yeah, we gave up some good parts, but if we win it all it will be worth it. We still didn't give up any of our rotation, or best few pitching prospects either.

One of our biggest weaknesses has been the lack of production outside Maggs/Sheff/Guillen (and Granderson last year). There was a huge dropoff in the second half of our lineup last year. I'd really like to sign Lowell as well, and just go balls out for titles the next couple years, but it won't happen.


Our offense scored 887 runs last year, 3rd most in the league behind only the Yankees and Philies. And that was with Sheff missing a good chunk of the season, Guillen slumping in the second half and Monroe, Casey and Inge sucking all season long. Our offense has holes but 1-5 we are as good as anybody in the league.

Our pitching on the other hand is a whole another story.

So we're swapping Renteria's offense for Caseys?

Its harder to find a left side infielder than a 1st baseman, so we have that going for us. The trade keeps CG's bat in the lineup.

We didn't gain any hitting. Rent's career stats=casey's. That's the line up change. Question is, is our D any better?

So we're swapping Renteria's offense for Caseys?

Odd, beat me with a similiar sentiment by 3 seconds.

LOL. So now someone HAS to answer our questions, damnit.

So we're swapping Renteria's offense for Caseys?

Its harder to find a left side infielder than a 1st baseman, so we have that going for us. The trade keeps CG's bat in the lineup.

Well, Casey hit .296 and 4 HR's in 143 games for a slugging % of .393
Reneteria hit .332 and 17 HR's in 126 games for a slugging % of .470

He also stole 11 bases too. So we gain speed, power and average. Defense I don't know, but we really didn't have a choice. Guillien would not have lasted a whole year at SS, that is for sure.

At any rate, I don't see how you can call their bats a wash. 40 points is quite a difference in my book. Sheff batted 30 points higher and 11 HRs more than Inge in a similar ratio of AB's to Casey vs Edgar...would you call their bats a wash?

No you can't call their bats a wash and didn't mean to, just asked the question based on whatchamacallits post.

I still like the trade. Like getting a proven SS, one and two, as many said, it keeps CG in the lineup...and prolly prolongs his career.

CG a mini Rod Carew.

No you can't call their bats a wash and didn't mean to, just asked the question based on whatchamacallits post.

I still like the trade. Like getting a proven SS, one and two, as many said, it keeps CG in the lineup...and prolly prolongs his career.

CG a mini Rod Carew.
You asked, Hermy pronounced. Sorry, I should have quoted him as well:


We didn't gain any hitting. Rent's career stats=casey's. That's the line up change. Question is, is our D any better?

Please compare career numbers. Big outlier last year plus NL to AL coversion.

Please compare career numbers. Big outlier last year plus NL to AL coversion.

you compare them. It's your argument, post the numbers. If you have a valid point, I will admit it...but I don't have time to research everyone's statements to see if they are valid. put some facts behind your statement.

It's factual Chris. I already did compare the career numbers, now I'm trying to use that knowledge to educate you. You may choose to accept or refuse that. Yes, the steals and RBIs are there, but in total the presumed increase in the potency of an already dangerous lineup is soft.

While we're all at it let's also remember we're sacrificing 6 mil per year (Rent. vs. a presumed Casey resigning figure). We know there is no hard cap, but lets not pretend Illich hasn't given us some dollar figure, some of which could have been used for something else.

First off, we are not sacrificing 6 mil per year. Apparently the Braves are picking up a portion of the contract (I think Vinny posted that in another thread).

Also, how are you educating me when you posted ZERO facts. Don't be lazy, if you are going to make an argument then post the facts that support it (like actual numbers). It's common knowledge on these boards that Dyess and Tay play differently in the playoffs vs the regular season. We don't have to post those numbers. Renteria and Casey's career numbers are not common knowledge, don't assume they are.

I assume if you question them you can find them. And I will be lazy thank you. I posted a fact. Their bats are close to the same. Fact. It's not like I have to link you to video of every at-bat because you wouldn't belive the stats at ESPN.com. Facts are just that whether further reenforced or not.

And I factored in the $ that Boston is picking up in that deal (I suppose that's what you are talking about, they owe some of this years salary and the option if not exercised) in my 6 mil. I'm guessing Casey will get 2 per. If you think he will get more please factor accordingly.

And I factored in the $ that Boston is picking up in that deal (I suppose that's what you are talking about, they owe some of this years salary and the option if not exercised) in my 6 mil. I'm guessing Casey will get 2 per. If you think he will get more please factor accordingly.
Vinny posted an article where the dude said it would be an even trade if the Tigers got a C- or B-prospect. Then another article by the same dude where he said he'd just got word that the Braves were picking up some of Rent's contract which in his mind amounted to equal value of said prospect.

"Their bats are the same" is an opinion, not a fact. "Both are career .300 hitters" would be a fact.

if you wish to make others support your claims, then I am simply going to ignore your argument.

I'm not sure why you are arguing Casey vs Edgar in the first place. Guillen cannot play full time SS anymore. He will be playing at 1B most of the year, PERIOD. So, do you want 50 games of Casey at 1B and Santiago/whoever at SS? If you don't like the move, that is fine. If you think there is a better option at SS, fine. Post them. But you can't tell me we should not be finding a new SS and play Casey full time at 1B. Guillen HAS to move there.

Vinny posted an article where the dude said it would be an even trade if the Tigers got a C- or B-prospect. Then another article by the same dude where he said he'd just got word that the Braves were picking up some of Rent's contract which in his mind amounted to equal value of said prospect.

I do not see this, and would be interested to hear more.

Here are career stats for you:

Sean Casey:
Age: 33
AB: 4867
H: 1467
2b:308
3b: 12
HR: 130
RBI: 718
Avg: .301
SB: 17
K: 552

Edgar Renteria:
Age: 32
AB: 6637
H: 1934
2b: 370
3b: 24
HR: 117
RBI: 762
Avg: .291
SB: 274
K: 941

There are your basic stats.

You're welcome.

"Their bats are the same" is an opinion, not a fact. "Both are career .300 hitters" would be a fact.

if you wish to make others support your claims, then I am simply going to ignore your argument.

I'm not sure why you are arguing Casey vs Edgar in the first place. Guillen cannot play full time SS anymore. He will be playing at 1B most of the year, PERIOD. So, do you want 50 games of Casey at 1B and Santiago/whoever at SS? If you don't like the move, that is fine. If you think there is a better option at SS, fine. Post them. But you can't tell me we should not be finding a new SS and play Casey full time at 1B. Guillen HAS to move there.


If you ignore my arguement, you will be less intelligent. That is your decision. I am here to help you, take it or leave it on my terms. I would actaully much sooner you would ignore it as I would not be made to waste my time talking to you about moot shit.

Guillen can't play SS any more? I missed that. What besides his defense has him incapable of playing there? I seems this was a move to improve defense. I said "we didn't gain any hitting". Was I wrong? Is he allergic to 3rd so we must move him further away? I don't understand what reasoning does not pertain to my question of "did our D get better".

Carlos Guillen:
Age: 32
AB: 3628
H: 1053
2b: 208
3b: 44
HR: 194
RBI: 518
Avg: .290
SB: 62
K: 624

So basically, we are adding another Guillen to the lineup, not another Casey.

Guillen can't play SS any more? I missed that. What besides his defense has him incapable of playing there? I seems this was a move to improve defense. I said "we didn't gain any hitting". Was I wrong? Is he allergic to 3rd so we must move him further away? I don't understand what reasoning does not pertain to my question of "did our D get better".

Besides the fact that his defense has slipped a ton?

How about the fact that he's battled numerous leg injuries for years? Why do you think Leyland played him at 1B so much late in the year? He got beat up at SS. If you want to play him at SS full time and risk losing his bat, by all means. Clearly Leyland and Dombrowski don't want to.

Carlos Guillen:
Age: 32
AB: 3628
H: 1053
2b: 208
3b: 44
HR: 194
RBI: 518
Avg: .290
SB: 62
K: 624

So basically, we are adding another Guillen to the lineup, not another Casey.

WTF is wrong with you?

I do not see this, and would be interested to hear more.

I was going to be all "Then find that shit, I'm lazy too" but then ... well I didn't.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=195457&postcount=47

Besides the fact that his defense has slipped a ton?

How about the fact that he's battled numerous leg injuries for years? Why do you think Leyland played him at 1B so much late in the year? He got beat up at SS. If you want to play him at SS full time and risk losing his bat, by all means. Clearly Leyland and Dombrowski don't want to.

Yes, his defense slipped. So they made a move. To improve the team's D. You're catching on.

They moved him to 1st because his D stunk, that's it. I never heard a comment about him playing 1st to save wear-and-tear. The effect would be minimal since Los doesn't dive for balls anyway.

I don't "hate the deal" Chris, I'm trying to explain to you why they made it.

I was going to be all "Then find that shit, I'm lazy too" but then ... well I didn't.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showpost.php?p=195457&postcount=47


Hermy, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons

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Sorry, I asked Glenn not to grant me permissions since where i work would not smile upon cup girls and such.

LOL, its baseball prospectus stuff from Area 51 not the Champagne room.


A Follow-Up on Renteria, and a Hidden Link on Attendance
by Nate Silver
There are now some news reports that the Braves will be picking up some of Renteria’s salary. How much money is unclear; the Atlanta Journal Constitution article says “it wasn’t as much as the $8 million that Boston agreed to pay when it traded [Renteria] to the Braves”. Still, even if it’s just a few million, it could be the equivalent of the “B- or C- level prospect” that I implied the Tigers should have gotten back in this deal.
I’ve also gotten a couple of e-mails about my claim that “Detroit is a market that appears to be quite sensitive to team quality”. I have a pet theory about this, which is that if you go into Detroit to see a ballgame, you’re there to see the ballgame. You sure as hell aren’t going there as a tourist, and unless you’re a contractor for General Motors or a candidate in the Republican caucus, you very probably are not going there as a business traveler. Contrast this to a city like Chicago. On any given day at Wrigley Field, I would guess that there are a couple thousand tourists in from Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana and downstate Illinois that are making a weekend out of their trip to Chicago, perhaps a thousand convention attendees, and maybe another thousand or two business travelers that are being wined and dined by their clients. This type of fan is probably less sensitive to the quality of the game itself than someone for whom baseball is the main attraction.
I could not find any comprehensive data on travel and tourism dollars in different US cities, but I did find a pretty good substitute, which is “Accommodation and Food Services Sales” as calculated by the U.S. Census Bureau. This category serves as proxy for a whole host of factors that might be desirable to a baseball club, such as tourist dollars, business travel, service industry infrastructure, and disposable income. Here are those numbers in each major league city, as of 1997:
New York $11,009Los Angeles $4,563Chicago $4,482Houston $3,399San Francisco $3,283Washington $2,943San Diego $2,610Dallas $2,354Boston $2,050Phoenix $2,009Philadelphia $1,692Atlanta $1,605Seattle $1,552Denver $1,335Kansas City $1,043Minneapolis $885Baltimore $850Tampa $783Miami $765St. Louis $687Pittsburgh $677Cleveland $674Milwaukee $615Detroit $575Cincinnati $564Oakland $436You should notice that there’s quite a strong correlation between this figure and baseball attendance; the only real strong outlier is St. Louis. Overall, the correlation between these numbers and average per-game attendance since 2001 is .57, which is stronger than the .53 that I got in the much more rigorous study of market sizes that I concluded this May.
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Ok, think that says we, in order to make the deal fair, should have gotten a crappy prospect, but instead that a crappy prospects worth in cash. A couple million is still nice though, so change that number I gave to 4. I may be reading that wrong, but that's how I take it.

_edit_

And thanks for posting that, I knew of A51, but my job may feel the same way about stealing payed content.

I don't think Glenn can give you access to one while still limiting your access to the other anyway. At least he couldn't when I asked him to do the same for me.

I don't think Glenn can give you access to one while still limiting your access to the other anyway. At least he couldn't when I asked him to do the same for me.


Don't know, haven't ever admined this setup. Of the 7-8 I have controlled all had individual setting for every board.

If you guys think I, Mr. Brown Paint Brush, am handling the technical aspects of this fine joint, then you would be incorrect.

I do believe that access to one means access to both, but it might just be that they were set up that way to save time.

Yes, his defense slipped. So they made a move. To improve the team's D. You're catching on.

They moved him to 1st because his D stunk, that's it. I never heard a comment about him playing 1st to save wear-and-tear. The effect would be minimal since Los doesn't dive for balls anyway.

I don't "hate the deal" Chris, I'm trying to explain to you why they made it.
His D was definitely going downhill, but I did hear a bit about moving him to first to save wear-and-tear in the local papers towards the end of the year. Could have just been fluff stuff though so he didn't look as bad.

Looks like Jurrjens is off to a good start with the Braves.

He's 2-0 now after getting a win yesterday with 4 IP, 2 H, 1 BB, 1 SO

His ERA is now 1.00 in 3 starts (9 innings)

I like that kid. The biggest question will be how he does when teams see him the 2nd time around.

He was one of the few out of Vasquez, Tata, and all of those other fill-ins by which I was quite impressed.

He was one of the few out of Vasquez, Tata, and all of those other fill-ins by which I was quite impressed.


I agree, I was very impressed with JJ during the season as well. I think he's going to be a solid starter for years in this league. He was the one prospect we lost this season, that I was most upset about losing (mainly b/c in Cammy & Millers short stints in the MLB, they didn't do much, Jair did excellent, IMO)...

So Jurrjens could possibly join a Braves rotation that includes Smoltz, Glavine, Hampton and Hudson.

Since they've got Smoltz and Glavine together again, why not go out and bring Greg Maddux back, too?

I'm pretty sure that Raffy Ramirez and the Hub could still handle the middle infield, and Chris Chambliss always had a steady glove, too.

Forget about Bob Horner, though, I bet he's pushing 400-450 lbs by now.

sigh (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AoWbdPsejZLvb.nyFZta_avbzYd4?gid=280420 115)

renteria hit a homerun today

Oh, I don't regret getting Edgar, he's been very solid, I just wish we could have given up something else besides JJ.

Oh, I don't regret getting Edgar, he's been very solid, I just wish we could have given up something else besides JJ.

Ditto. He's got stud written all over him.

Edgar, he's a free agent after next year.

the "win now" mentality means getting rid of talent that may help you win later....but then of course, you need to "win now"

Small detail: he's winning now.

But I catch your drift.

Anybody see JJ giving the ump the palms up treatment after a ball 4 call?

Report: Detroit Tigers among teams interested in Atlanta Braves' Jair Jurrjens

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2011/12/report_detroit_tigers_among_te.html